/lit/ - Literature

>>16049398
Is religion good choice for the faithless? I don't think that all people are capable of honest faith in modern society, moreso if large part of their identity is built on the rejection of the values of their parents and grandparents. (Now we wait for butterfly to post some shit about spooks and direct democracy)

>>16049398
Authors don't have to offer solutions.

Religion is dead and it’s not coming back. If it wasn’t drilled into you as a child, you’ll never truly believe.

>>16049750
I was raised atheist and I converted. Met plenty of people who were raised secular and converted after some deep trauma or whatever. My college would even have little sermons every Wednesday in the quad before the virus shut it down. Theres a revival and its already begun

>solutions
watch this video
https://digitalcollections.lib.rochester.edu/ur/future-self-march-1987
faithless liberalism doesn't work
religious superstructure doesn't work
being a self sufficient kinda works
fundamentally being human is being in a state of tension and we need to recognize it and cope with it. community/family is a good cope

>>16049398
>he thinks religion is a tool you can use to get what you want
you are an atheist

>>16049774
>a few people I know converted
>omg there’s a revival make America Christian again
Atheism has gone up 50% over just the last decade. Even those that continue to call themselves religious will never visit a church outside a funeral or wedding. And even if THAT wasn’t true, half the country will still put liberal values before religious one and religion will be the one forced to conform if they even bother to do the calculation of consistency.

>>16050829
I'm observing a trend, not giving an anecdote. I see the church growing and tons of young people, formerly secular, join. Time will tell

>>16049398
retard here

I partially blame atheism and Irreligion for the moral failings of society. It disgusting for men and women to sleep around without having been together for while.

>>16049398
People flocking to a religion wont do shit the problem is deeper than that. Spiritually itself has died in the west thats why religious practice has gone down. People going en masse to religion practice doesnt mean shit if society still pushes the same things and people dont truly understand spiritually any significance

>>16050971
>I'm observing a trend, not giving an anecdote.
What do you mean by this, you're clearly giving anecdotal data.

>>16049398
>we just need to educate our children better so they can make informed decisions about which products to buy, and which system-approved opinions to hold and this will solve everything!

>>16049398
baka desu

>>16049743
Then what's the point of bitching?

>>16050779
thats exactly what religion is.

>>16051249
Since when does s m h wordfilter to "baka"?

>>16050971
>a trend in your local chapter is indicative of a world wide trend and supersedes national pew data
Imagine

>>16049750
Any absolutist attitude is always a religious attitude, and in whatever respect a man becomes absolute, there you see his religion.

>>16051278
baste

That's the same with houellebecq, i'm sure huysmans wasn't serious in his conversion to catholicism, it was all about aesthetic

>>16051278
>mfw Jung predicted nu-atheist dogmatism

>>16051278
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>>16051340
jung is a glorified occultist, people like him are a direct threat to established religions in favor of new age spirituality garbage.

>>16052367
>how dare you think what you want and not be a cuck like me

>>16052389
I'm only saying the truth on the matter. Jung isn't your ally.

>>16052400
>people like him are a direct threat to established religions
good

>>16052409
as if a society of schizophrenics with conflicting metaphysics could turn out wonderfully.

>>16049398
That's because nationalism, banning usury, and deporting all jews to an open air concentration camp in the Central African Republic staffed by bantu niggers is the solution.

>>16052415
>schizophrenics
Glass houses, homie

>>16052424
it may as well be if you're an advocate for such a strong individualism.

>>16049398
>religion
>ever being solution
Excuse my autism but i always had this idea as solution to modern society. The problem is that too many people live togather. I would suggest people living in small towns of 200-300 instead of cities. Considering in our age big portion of work can be done remotely i dont think it is not that crazy of an idea. The reasoning behind this idea is that human`s cognitive limit of people is around 150. You wont be able to remember more. This will enable creation of communities. Social network destroyed by female employment and irreligion can be fixed by this.

>>16052473
>The problem is that too many people live togather.
This has and always will be the answer to any problems humanity has ever had on a grand scale.

>>16052367
>new age spirituality garbage

>be me
>wake up
>girlfriend already awake doing yoga in her tight yoga pants
>stare at her perfect butt
>she changes pose and looks at me "ow you're awake"
>"I made some Ginger tea, it's in the teapot"
>stand up walk up to her from behind kiss her in the neck
>gentely pressure my groin against her bottox
>"stop you're ruining my practice" she says while smiling and biting her lip
>"maybe we could try some tantric sex I've been reading about"
>proceed to have the best orgasm I and her ever had
>exhausted, overwhelmed
>feel spiritualy connected
>make my cup of tea and get on my phone spreading Jung memes
Yeah, fuck new age spirituality, it's not like their are incredibly good looking horny women that are in to it and those women aren't totally wholesome and give great sex. Topkek, a bit of eastern religion, knowledge of western esoteric traditions will give you the best kinda pussy in your life. Christianity is just cope.

>>16049398
>>author complains about modern secular society
>>doesn't bring up religion as a solution
Reminded me of Houellebecq, who doesn't consider himself a reactionary even though he critics in his books modern society.
You can't fix the current state with what there was before for the simple reason that we already moved from it, it religion was the solution we wouldn't have moved on to modern secular society.
Progress can't be stopped.

>>16049398
Eugenics is the solution.

>>16051254
Since like ten years ago gramps haha

>>16049750
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>>16051262
>atheists pretending not to see obvious shit
Religion is growing everyday. Open your eyes. Especially after the trauma that is 2020 caused mainly by atheism. Islam is still growing rapidly despite being propaganda'd to fuck, as well as Christianity. Give it time and the whole of humanity will realize the sham that is secular west superiority. America is the perfect shitstorm to hit this point home to anyone with a brain.

>>16049750
Religion is demographically growing.
Atheism and other -isms are dying.
It will take 200 years or so, but atheism will disappear from the earth.

>>16051006
If you feel so greatly about what other people do in their bedrooms you are retarded. Fucking spit on these people if it hurts your feelings so much.

>>16049398
Because its not. Even religious people live in a secular world. You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.

That’s because it demonstrably isn’t a solution, at least not in its Abrahamic form

>>16049398
We don't live under secular society, the beliefs we're required to uphold in Postwar Democracy are basically religious

>>16054892
>You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Watch me

>>16049398
Religion was dismantled by the enlightenment and the scientific revolution. Those latter things haven't been undone, so barring some technocataclysm that throws us back to the stone age (inshallah), we're not going to go back to religion because the material blockages are still there. Only a new spiritual advancement that builds on the present is possible from the position of the present.

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>>16052965
>Especially after the trauma that is 2020 caused mainly by atheism
What?

>>16055060
god he was so retarded

>>16055060
>>16055105
does anyone have that chesterton quote where he says the chinese never invented books or writing or something?

>>16052965
Open yours. 4chan is not the world anon

>>16055060
>also, polytheism is passé and shouldn’t be followed anymore

Why do christcucks always debunk themselves so embarrassingly?

>>16055251
Who are you quoting?

>>16052965
>Especially after the trauma that is 2020 caused mainly by atheism.
What trauma? The coronavirus? Mammals are reservoirs of viruses like that. This has been known for at least a decade now. It’s not a matter of if, but when those other viruses will jump from mammal to human

>>16049398
>Author brings up religion as a solution
>He is an atheist

>>16049750
People just believe whatever else there is to believe. As evidenced by the hike in interest in astrology and astral maps and whatever in the last few years. Having a religion is ingrained in us, many just don't realize that

>>16049750
This
Religion is declining in every developed society and is only kept afloat thanks to the fertility rates of third world shitholes. The amount of people who convert into religion is minimal compared to those who leave religion.

>>16055278
Suicides had a huge spike. Normies cant handle this kind of thing.

>>16052715
>using new age to get pussy
>somehow is still better than institutional christianity
Christcucks on suicide watch