/lit/ - Literature

>>16043945
>why is it that Israel is pretty much culturally sterile?
Ethno-states and other right-wing cancer doesn't mix with art.

Because adopting a dead language to form your nation has bad consequences for your literary art.

>>16043945
Same reason that there have been a lot of good gay writers, but ever since there is a large, openly accepted lgbt movement, nothing of quality has come out of it.

Amos Oz is pretty good, I really enjoyed Judas.

>>16044126
Come again?

>>16044025
fpbp

>>16044163
It's no longer minor literature, marginal, nomadic. It has reterritorialized into state power.

>>16043945
Jews may write good books but Zionists don't. Israel is far right cancer so it makes sense it's culturally sterile.

Jewish genius has for the most part been confined to their ability to manipulate religion, morality, and public opinion. Their conspicuois lack of visuospatial genius is notable in itself but also because it undermines their pseudoscience of IQ, which predicts correlations between verbal and spatial intelligence.

>>16044025
this

>>16044025
YAAS QUEEEN, SLAY!

>>16043945
The Torah?

>>16044025
K
>Ethnic groups
Irish 82.2%, Irish travelers 0.7%, other white 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, black 1.4%, other 1.5%, unspecified 2.6% (2016 est.)
>In the 2016 census, 78.3% (3.7 million) of the population identified as Catholic which is 132,220 fewer than 5 years earlier in 2011 when the percentage stood at 84%.

Wonder what this looked like during the first half of the 20th century

>>16044297
>he doesn't know about the tanakh being the Greatest Hits compilation of ANE mythology

>>16044321
>some population group being a clear majority =/= ethno state

What great writers? Only great is maybe Kfka but once you realize Chesterton beat him to the punch, he doesn’t seem so great.

>>16044025
>>16044331
You have a point but you're missing a key element. White ethnostates or de facto ethnostates don't need to rely on foreign cultural or ethnic injections to thrive artistically, though Jewish, brown, and black ethnostates do

>>16044441
Well, I don't think it's as simple as "add non-natives for extra art" although it seems obvious that having more cultural diversity is likely to be a positive factor. In context of the thread, it's more about the attitudes that call for an ethno-state that negatively contribute; obsessions over keeping it an ethno-state tend to stifle creative endeavours unless they are balanced somehow. Take the other favorite example like Japan, which has a very complex relationship with other cultures affecting it and them liberally stea- getting inspired by these instead of purely obsessing with their shit.

Because all the Ashkenazis live abroad?

>>16044556
>it seems obvious that having more cultural diversity is likely to be a positive factor
Japan has little diversity and they are still artistic. Cultural diversity has nothing to do with it. Israel's population just isn't artistic.

>>16044584
Probably true but they also write in a fringe language.

>>16044584
I wouldn't call modern Japan particularly artistic but I'd pin that on capitalism more than anything so your point stands

>>16044584
Japan might not be diverse in population but their culture took A LOT from China before getting enriched by Burgers and Portugal, not to mention how Western values got drilled into them after WW2.

>>16044584
Almost everyone in Japanese culture is a mish mash of foreign influences from Asia and more recently America and the west in general. It's the same everywhere else, even European culture isn't some purely European genetic phenomenon

>>16043945
Israel Shahak was a great writer

>>16044584
>>16044739

Not disagreeing but Japs were obsessed with continental Europe well before WWII. Much pre-WWII 20th century Japanese lit is influenced by the likes of Balzac, Hugo etc

>>16044025
>what is ancient greece

>>16044129
>"What would you do if your neighbor across the street sits down on the balcony, puts his little boy on his lap, and starts shooting machine-gun fire into your nursery? What would you do if your neighbor across the street digs a tunnel from his nursery to your nursery in order to blow up your home or in order to kidnap your family?"

>>16044753
>European culture
The idea itself is fucking bizarre. The developments in Yurop is actually a small scale emulation of the aut-right nightmare of diversity gone mad, with everyone taking from everyone, mixing into a mess … only that it didn't develop into an uniform goo but still clearly distinct cultures that share almost as many similarities as differences.

>>16044292
>Reiterating the same tired slogan instead of coming up with something yourself.
Kind of making the point for us, really.
Stormfags get out.

>>16044827
Not a thing like "ancient Italy". Although at least Italy under Romans had periods where it was closer to being something unified unlike the Greek city-states.

>>16044832
Did they try not stealing the neighbors land?

>>16044863
okay I wasn't sure whether you were trolling, but now I know, have fun.

Why would they want to share their culture with you? You're a goy. You're a slave created by God to serve them. It'd be casting pearls before swine, you couldn't understand the true genius and beauty even if they tried.

It's why they give you s()i and marvel movies: you're dumb-cattle, so you get the dumb-cattle feed. Really, it's for your own good, what use would you have with actual art?

>>16044025
>who is Ernst Junger
Based retard

>>16044898
You seem to have some insider knowledge. Why don't the kikes admit that the Kabbalah is just kikefied neoplatonism in kike garbs?

>>16044863
So this is the true power of left leaning pseuds

>>16044707
>I wouldn't call modern Japan particularly artistic
Why not?

>>16044785
Fair enough, they are heavily influenced by Europe at this point. Though, I don't think >>16044556 was thinking of cultural diversity in that sense. Japan itself is pretty homogeneous.

>>16044556
Can't wait for your neighborhood and your family members to get culturally enriched, so that you can experience the glory and joy of diversity firsthand. How colossal and marvelous the cultural works inspired by negroid, syrian, and pakistani youth will be!

>>16044912
Because that would be tantamount to admitting that they aren't GAWDZ CHOZIN PEEPUL. Dechosening a Jew is the single worst thing you can do to him. A Christian equivalent would be taking away God's Love for someone. It's the single worst thing you can do to them, at an axiomatic, metaphysical level. It's why Hitler and Isabella of Castille are so evil: they told the Jews that they were just another people, like any other, and could be treated as such.

Of course, the fact that the Jews are just a jumped up Bedouin clan just makes this all the more ludicrous.

>>16044032
Can we talk about this? What an absolute mess, Italy adopting Latin (low and high) tomorrow out of nowhere would be a much smoother transition and would also work out way better than whatever Israel did just so they could larp.

>>16044994
How did they decide on how to create new words for stuff that wasn't around 2000 years ago?

>>16043945
They are only talented at at deconstructing and parasitising an already existing society.They are not very good at creating and constructing something from the ground up.

>>16043945
Their religion literally forbids all artworks, including music.

>>16044760
Its cus he hates israel

Jews were never great at art really. Sciences sure, but art not so much.

>>16043945
They only get the strength of Samson when they are trying to subvert your nation.

>>16045042
Based

Different Jews mate

>>16043945
Being an "other" allows one to stand apart from mainstream society/culture and observe it from a different angle than those wholly submerged in it. There are many forms of "other", of course, and jewishness is just one of them.

Apparently they have quite the literature scene. It’s just really insular. There’s a high barrier of entry for the mizrahim though, I imagine this restricts the country’s literary output as that’s most of their population whose writers they ignore.

>>16044205
What kind of writing is currently deterritorialized?

>>16044025
/thread

most of the important Jewish writers of the last 150 years were anti-zionist like benjamin, freud, kafka etc.

>>16044025
yep

>>16044025
>Ethno-states and other right-wing cancer doesn't mix with art.

Imagine being this retarded.

>>16044965
>syrian
I wouldn't underestimate their potential.

>>16046265
where are all the great novels from nazi germany? francoist spain? mussolini's italy? salazarist portugal? pinochet's chile?

>>16044025
Japan produced a lot of art while staying isolated. Anyone who believes this is retarded because they believe it with no actual evidence.
>>16046343
They only existed for a handful of years you idiot

>>16046467
>handful of years

> PNF in Italy
>1922-1943
>21 years

>Francoism in Spain
>1936-1975
>39 years

>Estado Novo in Portugal
>1933-1975
>42 years

>and I won't even mention North Korea (they are fascist in every meaningful sense)

Not to mention the fact that the Weimar Republic basically existed as long as Nazism (14 years vs. 12 years) and produced dozens more writers, artists, filmmakers than the Nazis, whose artistic achievements you could count on one hand.

>>16046467
That's a handful of years if you consider that they were mostly war times and recovering from war
you fucking imbecile. culture is created in centuries

>>16046622
to >>16046575

>>16046630
ya maybe it would take mongoloid fascists a couple hundred years to come up with some good art, meanwhile in the 14 years of the heavily leftist Weimar Republic (which, as I'm sure you know, was established immediately after WWI) we got masterpieces from Mann, Hesse, Brecht, Doblin, Kastner, Murnau, Lang, Sternberg, Arendt, and the entire Frankfurt School

cope harder

>>16046677
so when did Nazi Germany have a chance to produce art? During WW2 while being bombed? Where's the Porguese, Italian, Spanish art from their leftist post-ww2 era? Where's the leftist German art post-ww2? Are you gonna list a bunch of who again? You must be mentally challenged to build an argument on this and not realise it's just your brainlet leftist bias

>>16046677
>Mann, Hesse, Brecht, Doblin, Kastner, Murnau, Lang, Sternberg, Arendt, and the entire Frankfurt School

>>16046802
please remind me who started ww2

>>16046802
>I swear fascists make good art
>can't name good fascist art

hmmmm

>>16046934
lol yeah fuck thomas mann and fritz lang amiright? they fucking suck compared to the greats like agnes miegel and leni riefenstahl haha

>>16044025
Based beyond belief

>>16047014
Heidegger was the only good German writer in the 20th century and he joined the Nazi party. You're practically an imbecile.

>>16047056
>Heidegger was the only good German writer in the 20th century
I'm not a leftist but I'll tell you this: go back.

>>16047080
Who did he leave out?

>>16047056
this post is a perfect representation of the level of fascist intelligence

>>16047080
>>16047103
The absolute cope

>>16047112
you've never read heidegger

>>16047088
if you can't think of any German writers, you have to go back, sorry

>>16047014
Rifenstahl is literally one of the greatest directors of all time.
Fascist italy was the cultural peak of Italy in the 20th century, too

>>16047088
Junger. Spengler. Schmitt.

>>16044868
It's not stealing if their stay is illegal. Plus I think that stealing when your life is in danger is acceptable.

>>16047151
Based

>>16047150
>Fascist italy was the cultural peak of Italy in the 20th century, too
if larping ancient rome is your idea of culture lol

>>16047145
Go read some Arendt and Hesse lmfao you're the one who needs to go back buddy

>>16044832
is he talking about what israeli settlers do to palestinians?

Yona Wallach and Yehuda Amichai are great

>>16047174
>>>/israel/

>>16047150
the fuck are you on about

>>16047151
junger isn't a fascist, spengler sucks, schmitt is great but his greatest commentators all draw anti-fascist conclusions (derrida, agamben, sloterdijk)

>>16047080
I'm not a rightist but ill tell you this: lurk more.

>>16047203
>schmitt is great but check out this jew "commentator" on him!

>>16047203
>schmitt is great but his greatest commentators all draw anti-fascist conclusions (derrida, agamben, sloterdijk)
this is next level b8 lmao

>>16047203
schmitt was also banned from publishing in nazi germany, just like heidegger btw

>>16047203
>greatest commentators
>(derrida, agamben, sloterdijk)

lol. was your BA thesis on queering black bodies you fucking faggot?

>>16047220
Trotsky was banned from publishing in Russia but that doesn't make him not left wing...

>>16047219
thx

>>16047220
based

>>16047228
those thinkers are very politically diverse, have you read anything by any of them? or even schmitt? bad take

>>16047211
>>16047219
>>16047228
sloterdijk is one of (You), you fucking retards

>>16047242
it makes soviet russia a place hostile to intellectual thought

>>16047177
>>16047210
amazes me that "people" will proudly argue for the idea that Heidegger is the only good German writer of the 20th century without any hint of irony

>>16047203
You're right junger is to the right of fascism

>>16047186
Both sides, a bit more on Palestinians. Israel is more about institutionalized violence.
This and >>16044868
Is a small reason for the lack of art: foreigners can't seem to detach the writing from the politics. Also the Hebrew writing is masturbatory and self suffering when it's not.

>>16047250
they are not politically diverse, they are all sanitized "critical theorists" for neo-liberal college students like you and their philosophies all amount to care of the self sophistry for post marxist humanist bohemians whose philosophy amounts to "existentialism, but prioritize liberating trannies rather than yourself"

schmitt is doing the exact opposite of everything they do, he's striking at the root of their entire worldview.

>>16047266
I dont think that but I do think anyone that believes Germany or Italy was devoid of great art is retarded.

>>16047289
>critical theory
>neo-liberal
>post-marxism
>humanism
>bohemian
>existentialism
stop throwing around terms you don't know the meaning of

>>16047151
also lets not forget Ernst von Salomo and great travel literature such as Collin Ross.

>>16047272
the nazis literally called junger a liberal

>>16047289
this is so divorced from reality that I can only guess at your meaning, which it seems like is take from jordan peterson videos which vaguely reference derrida, all I can say is that agamben and especially sloterdijk have nothing to do with what you are describing -- sloterdijk is actually the total opposite

schmitt basically considers himself a kind of marxist FYI (ever think about the term "national socialism"?) -- from the schmitt I've read marx is the writer he cites most

>>16047348
i was going to respond to your post indignantly that you haven't read schmitt but you admit it so i guess we have no problem

no, schmitt is not a marxist.

>>16047312
you first with pretending to be a leftist, marx would absolutely despise all these bohemians as
>utopian humanists incapable of founding real socialism
>therefore non-marxists (and post marxist since they've abandoned his critiques of such humanism)
>bohemian dandies pretending to be leftist activists
>neoliberals in the modern conventional sense
and
>existentialists in the sense already implicit in his critique of stirner and other "care of the self" fags who stop at liberating subjectivity for the sake of liberating subjectivity without asking about the subject's constitution first
and they call themselves critical theory, which is why scare-quoted it.

try doing more than listening to chapo and redscare and being a snarky lowercase faggot on the prowl for pedantic criticisms to make. you aren't even correct in your pedantry. try just looking for posts that say "cultural marxism" and accusing them of being petersonians like the other guy did, he knows as little as you do but notice how he didn't stick his neck out as much to be mocked. get some poseur tips from him.

>>16043945
You might be interested in "American Law and Foreign Policy" by Benjamin Netanyahu.

>>16044025
ultra based
just look at all the butthurt nazi spergs ITT

>>16047473
there has never been a decent book written by a head of state, prove me wrong
>inb4 marcus aurelius' derivative self-help

>>16047514
Caesar

>>16047150
>Rifenstahl is literally one of the greatest directors of all time.
So is Fritz Lang, and widely considered several tiers above Leni.

>>16047514
Heil Hitler

>>16044025
First post correct post

>>16044832
>after you've done and continue to do literally the exact same things although ten times worse AND on land you stole from them.

Like a serial killer complaining about the death penalty. It's not right but it sure is justified.

>>16047450
Idiot. Schmitt is basically a right-wing Maoist. And orthodox marxism is just about control; that's why Benjamin (OP) and Agamben are about total anarchist insurrection, against any forms of the capturing of Being (like Heidegger and Jünger). You should see the normie left's near-cancelling of Agamben over the covid, because he doesn't worship Science® and sees right thru the new governance by neoliberal identity morals. While Sloterdijk is a literal conservative eugenicist!!

>>16046137
Based anti-zionist jews. Zionism is a cancer not only on the world but on Judaism itself. Insisting that your race is somehow superior to others and that justifies taking their land is morally no different than Nazism. Judaism itself is a good religion but so called Jews are up to some terrible shit today, and not just in occupied Palestine.

>>16047698
>Insisting that your race is somehow superior to others and that justifies taking their land is morally no different than Nazism
What makes you assume that National-Socialism is bad?

>>16047153
> if their stay is illegal.
"Hey, I stole your house. Now it's illegal for you to live there."
>Plus I think that stealing when your life is in danger is acceptable.
The lives of Jews in Palestine weren't in noteworthy danger for the times. There is ZERO justification for stealing the land.

Even if you want to go with "but muh poor Jews have no country" slick, they should've gotten parts of Germany or Austria after the war; at least it'd be justified since the native population there proved to be mostly subhumans incapable of having a state without terrorizing their neighbors.

>>16047709
Becuase it's a incoherent mess of disproven race 'science', some demagogue's rants, and extreme unthinking nationalism. It also promotes anti-intellectualism, completely sanitized and politicized art. extreme anti-individualism, and complete devotion to the state.

The current world order is bad but a Nazi victory would have resulted in hundreds of millions murdered or enslaved, and a world just as homogenized and completely deprived of any meaningful art, culture, and experience as the one we are rapidly moving towards.

>>16047698
It's a shame there isn't more differentiation in the media and it's mostly the Zionists who get a say and are taken as THE Jewish voice.

>>16047863
>nazis bad because they would have made the world like it is!

>>16047698
>>16047883
90% of jews are zionist. Quit your pathetic compromising and just tell jews to get the fuck out your lives.

>>16044025
Amazingly retarded take.

>>16047910
That's not even the case in Israel. Around the world, the share of Zionists is even smaller. There are more Christfags in Burgerstan obsessed with greatness of Israel than there are Jews overall.

>>16044753
The people making the art are Japanese, though.

>>16047949
It is the case. Get over it.

>>16043945
Because you don't read Hebrew: Look upBialik, Amichai, Tchernichovsky, Rahel or Hafer. As for other arts they were already dead by 1948, except musical interpretation for which they are world class and first by a very, very wide margin in density of world class musicians.

>>16047910
more like 99

This thread is full of cringe jews coping with their mental illnesses

>>16047910
>>16048035
Jews are just like any other ethnic group, they have smart people (anti-zionists), and stupid people (zionist). Just like whites have smart people (anti-racist), and stupid people (you guys).

>>16047949
>>16047883
Based

>>16048079
Come to think of, people obsessed with ethnicity sound like just the sort of idiots who'd think that every ethnicity is a hivemind; so at least they are consistent about something here.

>>16048079
>Just like whites have smart people (anti-racist), and stupid people (you guys).
Midwit cope.

>>16048231
Cope

>>16043945
national average: 80 IQ
The outlier verbal intelligence genes produced by ferocious inbreeding within the religious hard liners don't make their way into the secular population at a high enough rate, and remain unlikely to -- exquisite religious text hermeneutics have a more limited audience.