/lit/ - Literature

>>16040786
You play with spiritual truths as if they're politics or race and you'll get exactly what question you're begging for

Do you really think God would reveal no way for His children across the world to connect to Him for millennia? That He would leave them unaware? He works in mystery, of course there is truth in every spiritual tradition. It doesn't undermine monotheism, if that's what you mean.

Ancient religions were mostly the same worldview but presented in different ways. Sanatana Dharma, the Greco-Roman religion, Daoism, Confucianism etc. -- all the same core philosophy.

>>16040786
>some Fallen Angels were LARPing as gods, therefore Jesus didn't come back from the dead

>>16040786
Small brain: There are multiple religions, and only one is right
Medium brain: There are multiple religions, so none of them are right
Big boy brain: There are multiple religions, and most of them are correct

I googled 'spiritual truths' and this is what I learned.

>Knowing about God is Important, but Actually Knowing Him Is Crucial.
>God May Change Your Spiritual Perspectives, and That’s a Good Thing.
>Your Choices Always Matter, and You’ll Reap What You Sow.
>Character and Integrity are Valuable, and Last Longer than Physical Beauty.
>Prayer Isn’t Just for a Crisis, and Cultivating It Reminds Us Who’s in Charge.
>There’s No Growth without Struggle, but You Are Never Alone.
>Always Be Your Unique Self, Even if Everyone Else Thinks You’re Weird.
>Relationships Truly Matter, So Cultivate Them with Wisdom.
>You Will Make Lots of Mistakes, but They Won’t Be Fatal.
>God Will Open Doors, and He Will Help You to Seize Those Opportunities.

I don't really understand what you mean about confusing cheap self help advice with politics and race.

>>16040919
Are you trying to tell me that people believing in a god is evidence for that god's existence?

>Guess what everybody!
>All these different cultures believed in at least one god, so that means one of them has to be real.

>>16040934
This sort of syncretism is almost always a sign of decline - trying to make some universal muddy stew out of all the world's religions despite the fundamental contradictions when compared on their own terms feels desperate.

>>16040935
What do mean Jesus rose from the dead? That shit doesn't happen in real life.

>>16040953
Biggest brain: There are multiple religions, all of them are right, but the only way we win and solve existence is by believing only ours is right

Not quite related, but the ancient Sumerians believed that the afterlife consisted of being stuck underground in a dark cave forever, with only dust to eat and drink. The actions of your life changed nothing about this outcome. I don't understand how a civilization formed and thrived around such a grim worldview.

>>16041048
That's what everybody in the surrounding region (including the Hebrews) believed. Anyway if (((Jews))) are so evil, why is the version of (((Religion))) that they invented the correct one?

>>16041048
how can you drink dust

>>16041076
Sheol is way nicer than the awful place Sumerians envisioned for everyone.

>>16041134
Sheol is the same thing as Hades, a permanent, indiscriminate place for the dead. In Kur, you could drink wine if your family poured libations into your grave. It was just a normal thing back then to believe that the here and now is where life is meant to be lived.

I think >>16041026 sums some real truths. I read once that you must be accorded entirely to your native religion. Adapting to another religion is like living in another country and speaking that country's language. Not that a mexican couldn't become a legitimate hindu, but this is as rare as a mexican being more accorded to sanskrit language than to his native spanish.

>>16041048
where can i read morea bout it

>>16041211
I might be mistaken, but I remember the religion class I took years ago making the distinction that the Sumerian one had you be alone with your thoughts while you weren't alone in the other ones. The only relief you could get were libations, would of course run out eventually.

>>16040786
You shouldn’t, but you should be able to rationally accept the God of Truth and beauty, and no the Jewish God with post-hoc application of unrelated rationality is not the real one.
>>16040919
The actual God can be arrived at with rational contemplation and meditation.

>>16041287
What's wrong with accepting a vacant spot in one's knowledge regarding the God-question? I may be persuaded to believe in Truth and Beauty, but what do anthropomorphic magical immortal beings have to do with it?

>>16040988
They literally have the same origin though

>sign of decline
nigga they were doing it thousands of years ago

>>16041331
what origin?

>>16041331
ancient north eurasians -> indo-europeans -> 90% of pagan religions

>>16041287
I accept the god of truth, the god of beauty, the god of love, the god of war, etc.

>>16041351
was for
>>16041342

>>16041355
Can you explain what you mean by 'god' though? Why is it not sufficient to accept truth, beauty, love, war, etc. You don't seriously think those concepts are dependent on magical, immortal, anthropomorphic beings, do you?

>>16041211
The Chinese are sort of similar, only the world of the dead is a bit more advanced. They burn hell money so their ancestors can buy food in the afterlife.

>>16041012
Jesus's resurrection is a fact

>>16041374
Magical, immortal, anthropomorphic beings are so exciting though!
Of course not, I'm not a child.

>>16041211
...really? the egyptians soent a lot of time worrying about the dead and afterlife.

>>16041393
I'll bet he just slowed his heart rate with opium poppies.

>>16041393
Based on what? The gospels? People believing that Jesus rose from the dead doesn't constitute proof that Jesus rose from the dead.

>>16041408
No. He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and rose from the dead three days later

>>16041404
The Egyptians were a lot more sophisticated too.

>>16041416
How do you know that? Belief =/= Knowledge

>>16041409
The Gospels, the Epistles of Paul, other sources from that time that weren't included in the New Testament (these other sources don't agree with everything in the NT, but they all agree on the resurrection), and the fact that many of the Apostles died for their belief that they themselves had seen the resurrected Christ. Also, Christianity perfectly explains the world like no other religion

>like 15 Traditionalism threads a day, average
>threads like these somehow still come up

Do you motherfuckers just read Ride the Tiger and nothing else?

>>16041416
Holy shit!
Was he zombified???

>>16041443
None of those sources document the resurrection, they just document that some people believed in the resurrection. I've looked into all of that and found none of it persuasive.

>Also, Christianity perfectly explains the world like no other religion

cringe

>>16041421
> The wives of men of rank when they die are not given at once to be embalmed, nor such women as are very beautiful or of greater regard than others, but on the third or fourth day after their death (and not before) they are delivered to the embalmers. They do so about this matter in order that the embalmers may not abuse their women, for they say that one of them was taken once doing so to the corpse of a woman lately dead, and his fellow-craftsman gave information.
yeah. necrophilia. so sophisticated.

>>16041470
>None of those sources document the resurrection
Except they do

I didn't realize Christianity was so creepy!

>>16041351
what time is that? i think these have no connection at all with egyptians for example who had a rather established theology and sciences back to 5 millenia BC. the ancients considered their prehistory to back to 36.000 years before Menes (~3500BC). Many other historians diverge but agree between 15 to 30 thousand years. not to mention that that are archeological evidences of a diaspora from the west of africa (and thus their connection with atlantis - atlantic ocean).

>>16041498
Wow. I'm blown away by the persuasiveness of your argument. Anonymous interdependent accounts written decades after the fact will never be sufficient to convince me to believe in a miracle.

>>16041421
idk in class i remember we made a general distinction between religions that didnt focus much on the dead and afterlife like anceint Sumerians, and those that did, like egyptians. also, what do you mean by sophisticated and why does that matter? and related to what? christianity? idk if you are but the practice around purgatory, effigies and intercessory prayer was pretty sophisticated and interesting.

>>16041456
Resurrected

>>16041481
>a guy from egyptian practiced necrophilia once
>EGYPTIANS CULTURED NECROPHILIA
yeah i guess moderns like to eat shit

>>16040988

>This sort of syncretism is almost always a sign of decline.

According to who? Your pastor who can't get enough people coming in to stroke his ego every Sunday? Yeah I bet he's real pissed about this globalization and internet thing. Bet he's real pissed about the fact that you can read, too.

>>16041534
Not all of them are anonymous (the Gospels are, but the Epistles of Paul aren't), but if you can't see the truth of Jesus Christ after looking into the history of the New Testament, your loss

>>16041470
what do you mean by document the resurrection as distinct from belief in resurretion in the bible? do the apostles write that: i have not seen but i believe or do they write that they saw and therefore believed. now how is the latter not a testimony and documentation?

>>16041539
It's just the opinion of the author I'm currently reading. I didn't take take notes, so I can't describe it in detail. Comparing the Babylonians to the Egyptians, he seemed to think the former were a cultural letdown. He really gushed over those Egyptians. No comparison to Christianity.

>>16041556
>who? Your pastor who can't get enough people coming in to stroke his ego every Sunday?
isnt that projecting much? just saying that there is a limit to synchronicity and that if you search hard enough it will retroactively be their regardless if it is real is not is a legitament concern. like those people who are dead certain there is a shared common language group between x y and z peoples when in truth it may not be their (altaic languages)

>>16041556
yeah brooo all religions are the same bro just like wrap your mind around all religions, just mix them up and there you get truth broooo (imagine a picture of theosophy symbol attached to file)

>>16041580
well ill check it out, seems neat. any other civs he looked into? cant remember everything from the lecture, but they say there was maybe possible living conditions that brought life to both general categories.

>>16041515
Ancient north eurasians were the last people to ever hunt mammoths, they lived more than 20,000 years ago. They were not only the progenitors of the american indians, but the proto-indo europeans as well. The reason why I go all the way back to them instead of stopping at the PIEs is because their homeland as it was, is an oddly similar comparison to the mythical "northern paradise" of the golden age described in said 90% of world religions. Even amongst people's living in different hemispheres.

>>16041572
What apostles are you referring to? (It's a nebulous term btw.) Paul never witnessed the crucifiction or the resurrection. The Gospels are simple hagiographical narratives, and scholars never take those at face value. (Unless they really want to believe.)

>>16041586
>like those people who are dead certain there is a shared common language group between x y and z peoples when in truth it may not be their
In most cases those same linguistic connections are very easy to also connect through DNA

>>16041598
The question is are there any civs he didn't look into. It's an eleven volume set encompassing all world history up to the 20th century. It could very well be outdated by now, but it's been a breeze so far, and extremely informative. I intend to read the whole thing. Reading history like this is what primarily convinces me that regarding one particular religion as supreme is provincial and narrow-minded.

>>16041228
What about people who are raised by atheists