/lit/ - Literature

>>16040745
Where did he say that? Get me the book, chapter, and verse.

>>16040753
1 Corinthians 7:1

>>16040753
what did he mean?

>>16040745
cooties

>>16040745
St Paul raped little boys. He’s trying to justify his actions in that verse.

isnt he quoting someone asking him a question about that and saying "actually you and your wife have to fuck, its the least bad option"

>>16040745
Don't have sex because God is more important. Be a hermit and fast and pray all day.

7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.

9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

>>16041111
No he's saying, God is more important, but if arousal is distracting you from prayer, get on with it then return to church.
I think he also suggested that wives deserve some pleasure, so don't neglect them.

>>16040745
Everyone should be gay

>>16040745
>Paul
He was a subversive Jew who co-opted the social phenomenon of Jesus of Nazareth to fuel his hateful campaign against reality.

>>16041150
He created Christianity: quite a feat.

>>16041127
It seems that Paul is saying multiple things here.
1. Abstinence is good.
2. However, given that abstinence is difficult for man, everyone should get married in order to prevent fornication.
3. Abstinence is permissible within the marriage, but should only be practiced with the consent of each partner, for a limited period of time, and for the purpose of devoting greater time and energy to fasting and prayer.
There's other cool stuff about how marriages between a believer and a non-believer should not be broken up simply because of one's lack of faith, and how the faith of one sanctifies the other, but that's not what OP is interested in.

>>16041167
Quite a feat indeed. 2000 years later and that disease still isn't cured.

>>16041127
this seems absolutely clear and unambiguous to me, i don't know what OP is confused about

>>16041236
Maybe OP wanted to encourage us to read the Bible. I myself haven't converted, but I always look up verses that anons post and think to myself that I should read the Bible more often.

>>16040745
Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

>>16041193
You missed 8: if possible, remain unmarried.
Only get married if you can't control your raging lust because you will be burned and tortured for eternity if you have sex without being married to your sexual partner.

>>16041127
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

Does this mean that if I convert, I can still marry my girlfriend without fear of repercussion?

>>16041310
What would Paul say of a man who fornicates with his fiancee?

>>16041324
He's going to Hell.

>>16041317
What sort of repercussion?

>>16041262
i was going to say "yep, when i see tom of finland artwork i definitely think of the bible" and then i realized that's actually true but for different reasons

>>16041344
Well, I can't force her to convert, and I'm not sure if I will be able to raise our future children within the Church. I'd technically be marrying a heathen, and we'd probably end up raising our children with a mixture of heathen and Christian beliefs. Aren't all of these sins?

>>16041380
You can raise your kids within the church, and by pursuing your faith you may save your spouse. My great grandmother married into a protestant family and now the entire family that is descended from her is catholic. It can work out if you try.

>>16041380
Are you trolling? Or serious?
I guess I would advise you to marry someone who shares your beliefs, whatever they may be.
If you are a Bible believing Christian, you will not be happy with an atheist intellectual.

>>16041380
If you really believe this stuff, you should fast and pray nonstop until you live this world of sin and ascend to be in Heaven with Jesus forever and ever.

I'd recognize Tom of Finland art anywhere.

>>16040745
Women literally have pheremones and chemicals/energy that mind control men to make them more docile and thus practical as fathers.
Mans drive for intelect, amition and great achievement is derrived soully from his desire to mate and perhaps an unconscious desire to create a better world for his tribe.
What then happens when he takes up a woman and children is the death of his fiery drive which then often deprives the world of great men if they have no replacement or worthy intellectual successor.

Being gay is based AF because you could still channel your sexual energy and not be a fucking hermit weirdo who hates society and at the same time do great things because you are driven to better life for everyone.

This unironically is why the CIA created AIDs and anti homosexual propaganda and degenerate culture to basically filter gay men hard.

I mean even emperor hadrian had this idea because he hated his wife and had a few heirs but exslusively fucked and lived with men because he saw women as shit tier life partners.

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>>16041441
I haven't converted, but I can feel myself gradually drifting in the direction of Christianity. I started going to mass, but stopped because my girlfriend/fiancee won't convert and I thought it would be better for me to avoid anything that would disrupt our relationship.
>If you are a Bible believing Christian, you will not be happy with an atheist intellectual.
She's not an atheist. She's a genuine heathen, a girl of spiritual belief from East Asia.
>You can raise your kids within the church, and by pursuing your faith you may save your spouse. My great grandmother married into a protestant family and now the entire family that is descended from her is catholic. It can work out if you try.
This is good to hear. I'll keep thinking about it. The trouble is that the people in her hometown regard Christianity as a foreign cult, so I will have to keep that in mind.
>If you really believe this stuff, you should fast and pray nonstop until you live this world of sin and ascend to be in Heaven with Jesus forever and ever.
What do you mean by that?

>>16041510
Christianity is exssentially a suicide cult, and the sooner you realize that the better.
This whole world is said to be under the control of Satan, and you have to fight him even in your own thoughts!
How much more peaceful to fast and pray and waste away and go to Heaven.

>>16041528
Go away.

>>16041510
Chritianity teaches that heathens worship demons.
You will not be happy as a Christian married to a heathen.

>>16041380
Don't marry someone that's not equally yoked. It will end in failure.
Just don't do it.
There's a reason why it's a acceptable reason for divorce in scripture. '

>>16040745
You know EXACTLY what he means. Don't be coy.

>>16041494
> do great things
all is vanity and the choice of one's spirit

>>16041494
holy based

Pauline apostolicism is an attempt at creating a new form of genealogy (a geneaology beyond biological filiation) through baptism.

From a psychohistorical perspective, this is probably the most important difference between Judaism and Christianity, that the former reproduced its ontology through procreation, while the latter reproduced its ontology through conversion.

Even today Judaism is much more "sex-positive" than Christians.

>>16041959
Christianity is very sex positive within marriage, just look at catholics in the 1950s who had 10+ kids

>>16041749
Reject women. Enter the brotherhood.

>>16041121
What a great way to destroy humanity. It just needs a strong desert religion to make men into contemplating incels and everything goes to shit.

>>16041127
Yikes. Massive incel vibes here.
St Paul should've had sex, there's no way humans are meant for monogamy

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>>16043088
Samefag, BEGONE!

>>16040745
among all guys I knew most happy, energetic, spiritual, funny were those who lived alone, without mommy and wife and gf. and once they got a female attachment they started smoking, became boring and their health and mood started to deteriorate.

>>16043861
I would agree. And add that if one was to stay uncoupled from women, but had a close companion or friend that they should share their life achievements with, I think that would be in line with St. Paul, and benefit the health an well being of the man involved.

>>16043861
That would be because once they found someone who could actually tolerate them, they realized how low class they were.