/lit/ - Literature

thoughts?

Miss Soulcatcher... Cook, you hack...

>>16038136
I've been reading in order of their release the first Witch book is killing me, don't know if I can finish

What should I read next? Opinions on any of these welcome.

(in order of how much they interest me atm)
Vance - Lyonesse series
Clarke - Childhood's End
Gemmell - Sword in the Storm
Le Guin - Earthsea series
Tchaikovsky - Children of Time
Kalfar - Spaceman of Bohemia
GGK - The Lions of Al-Rassan
Delany - Nova
Some Philip K. Dick (complete Dick virgin btw)

>>16038114
I'm writing a fantasy book, need some opinions

Should I include a glossary for the pronunciation and/or definition of non-real words? Mainly for pronunciation, as I feel like the way I actually include the words and concepts is good enough.

If I'm intending on adding a map for a location, should I have that at the beginning of the book, just wedged in with whatever other precursors there will be? Or should I hide it further in where they actually bring up maps and locations, that way it's right there when it's being discussed?

>>16038150
I would not recommend it.
But I gather that Sanderson writes a bit differently depending on the intended audience of the book, so his YA or teen/kids targeted books are noticeably simpler/worse. I didn't like the half of Skyward I read as well.
But the high-fantasy stuff, the Cosmere stuff, is pretty good.

>>16038204
Rothfuss says maps are unnecessary. if other types of books don't need them then why do fantasy books?

>>16038190
Sword in the Storm was the first Gemmell book I ever read so it has a special place in my heart.

>>16038245
I don't know who that is and I don't really care. What do YOU think? It's also not a question of yes or no, I'm asking that if in the case I do include a map, which I probably will, would it be more pleasing or engaging to discover the map mid-way through the book, or to just have it there from the beginning?

>there was an hour where there wasn't any sffg thread on the board
Should have waited a few days

Does anyone have any recs for fiction involving starfighter pilots? I have a craving for it lately.

>>16038269
Is this one of those manic episodes when a guy who doesn't even read watched some anime or played a videogame and was "inspired" to write?

First pages is common practice in modern times for maps. The last book which had a map I cared about was Lord of the Rings. I mostly ignore them.

Glossary. Depends on your approach but I'd advise against it.

Pronounciation. Maybe, if it's a general guide. Most writers would try to use spellings that resembled phonetic expressions.

>>16038319
I don't know where you get the idea that I don't read because I couldn't care less about some guy I often see paired in the same sentence with Sanderson. Rothfuss isn't writing my book and his advice sounds like plain wrong dogshit. You still seem to be missing the entire point of my questions but I appreciate you trying.

>>16038204
No to both. But if you do have a map make it at the beginning so readers know where it is.

Timelines are acceptable if they are relevant to the story and save you from long info dumps.

>>16038508
lock 'em up!

>>16038150
Is this the one about the boy fighting the superman who can only be killed by someone that isn't afraid of him?

Your favourite book or your life.

>>16038175
Drop Witches books if you don't like them. I hated them and liked most of his other books.

>>16038508
Is this photoshopped. He barely looks human.

>>16038526
>who can only be killed by someone that isn't afraid of him
spoilers asshole actually that's even stupider than I thought the twist was going to be, thanks UwU

>>16038544
It's not, it was his response over fans worrying that he will die before finishing series.

>>16038204
It is generally dumb idea to make up words that cannot even be pronounced

Map is ok for clarification purposes. Describe the world, countries, places, locations in literary terms first, then later throw in the map for clarification.

>>16038561
What a chad. When chads around suddenly toxic white masculinity and centuries of white oppression, colonisation, slavery, etc is not an issue amymore.

>>16038550
You didn't even specify that you haven't read it yer, I assumed that you want to discuss it because you read it. Anyway it's 4chins, spoilers are a given.

>>16038434
A map would be more relevant in this case, big adventure book. Why not a map though, what in your mind puts timelines over maps? I know they're like apples and oranges in terms of the information they convey but it just seems like something you find in a textbook that people skip over.

>>16038638
Indeed.

>>16038150
Sanderson's sci-fi leaves a lot to be desired. Stay away from this, and Skyward.

>>16038580
I mean the word "pecan" is entirely pronounceable but that doesn't stop it from having a dozen different pronunciations, that's really the main problem I'm foreseeing with some of the words. Unless that's something that's just to be expected - I don't plan on having any retarded triple apostrophe words or anything with six consonants consecutively or anything else that is impossible to pronounce.

Where do I go from here?

>>16038164
Wait, are you talking about the first Black Company novel? How could you not see that coming?

Do NOT read Sanderson

>>16038811
The Worm Ouroboros

>>16038743
Does it matter if people pronounce them wrong? When I hit a weird name I usually just come up with something that sounds okay and keep going. I guess it helps when you're using archaic spelling for stuff, like the Gaelic d or whatever, but it's hard for me to remember those rules and stay in the flow even if you've spelled them out.

>>16038817
No, it's more that Cook is muh Lady guy, evne though she's boring. Clearly he self inserts as Croker and Lady is his waifu, and that goes for some nobody no less. Soulcatcher is just one more character form the list of characters that I like and would love to see in a bit different setting, or that their story turned out different. Should have set her up as the ruler of Beryl later on, not this shit that happens later in the books in the South. In general, BC books go downhill for me. New character don't seem to be interesting as older ones, at least for me.

>>16038830
Or what?

What is an actually good book with a female protag that isnt YA?

>>16038239
>But the high-fantasy stuff, the Cosmere stuff, is pretty good.
Mistborn is YA as fuck and not very good at all.

>>16038954

>>16038954
Mona Lisa Overdrive

>>16038881
He self inserts in most of his books. Instumentalities even has the same stupid love at first sight shit with the Empress and its just as cheesy.

>>16038954
Red Sonja

>>16039117
Jesus, really? Dammit Cook, get a grip... I hate this trope of powerful noblewoman falling for some schmuck.

>>16038190
Lyonesse is extremely comfy and fun
Childhood's End is pretty boomer and a bit dull
Earthsea is good if you're under 18
PKD is god tier (Ubik, 3 stigmata, flow my tiers, electric sheep all v good)
Nova is quite fun and weird, also rather short.

You should read a PKD first and then Nova and then Lyonesse.

>>16038859
Not really, but I'd like them to know the proper pronunciation so certain things rhyme correctly or they're not mixing up places/things or character names.

just had to go through the catalog to find this thread and man there's almost no threads up actually talking about literature now
>>16038150
I like some of sanderson's stuff and I thought this was bad from the getgo. The reveals only make it worse too.
>>16038954
Just off the top of my head:
Any bujold with a female protag esp Paladin of Souls and Barrayar
Merchant Princes series by stross
Most Carol Berg/Cate Glass stuff
Sun Wolf and Starhawk (dual pov but the female is very well written)
Pratchett's stuff even if his outright best female protag is in the YA series

>>16038245
A map is absolutely necessary for the author to keep track of things himself, to keep everything consistent, but it doesn’t belong in a book

>>16038743
Wut? Just change the spelling for a better phonetic effect
Pehcan
Peck-an
Peekhan
Pe-cán
Etc

>>16038533
You can't even finish what you started.
Change your will to have me complete your books or I take you out right now.

Just finished the warlord chronicles by Cornwell. It was outstanding. I have these three laying around, which should I read next (i.e. which will be the least disappointing)?
>Lyonesse by Vance
>Foundation by Asimov
>Legend by Gemmell
>open to other suggestions

>Decide to go to all the bookshops in my town
>Most of the books are YA, thrillers and biographies, all of which seem to be aimed at women
>2 of the 5 shops don't even have a SF/F section; the other 3 have it relegated to one shelf
Is this what it feels like, the knowledge one of your hobbies is dying?

>>16039136
But you love the powerful chad nobleman falling for some street frumpy?
You sound like a woman.

>>16039353
Fool, this series is mine to finish!

>>16039376
No, no I don't. Probably much less. At least with noblewoman x some monster or outcast you can have some kinky fetish shit.

Who? E William Brown? That guy? Fuck him.

>>16039368
Partially that but also, women are probably more willing to spend money on physical books and books in general. Hell, my small town doesn't even have dedicated bookstore anymore...

>>16038204
Maps are shit, and you're a shit writer for including them.
No one wants to read your travelogue. I know people here shit on litrpgs, but having a map in your book is basically making it a litrpg. In rpg novels the game mechanics are the gimmicks, in map novels, the map is the gimmick. Everything goes back to the map, to show how our char(s) went from hometown to finish line.

>>16039444
>Maps are shit
Why? Why is /sffg/ filled with weird ass ideas like this...

>>16039459
Go back to your tabletop safespace fa/tg/uy. No one wants your shitty maps here.

>>16039480
I'm not into tabletop games. I do love maps and I always liked to stare into LotR maps and others. Made me feel immersed more.

>>16039495
Then write a book about fantasy cartography. At least then you will have a reason to use multiple maps.

>>16039517
I'm not a writer. Anyway, I don't see why you are so anal about it. If people like fantasy maps to stare at, where's the problem.

>>16039495
Or release them on your website or blog. Seeing a book with a map is an instant drop for me. I don't share in map autism.

>>16039444
you're insane

i am a YA fantasy writer... my audience is mostly 15 year olds, do u buddies like it?

In the days when the earth seemed to be fully explored, there wasn't much left for explorers to
discover. A young couple who have just married two months prior embark in a row boat to a
small island in the indonesian archipelago. Henry Johanson and Milly Johanson: survivalists,
archeologists, and most of all explorers. Why did they go to this island; they are researchers, who
really cares.
“Henry, come on row with me, row with me.”
“Aw man, we’ve been rowing for a whole forty minutes.”
“Well I guess we can take a break.”
“Thank the Lord!” Henry heavily exclaimed. Now Henry began to open a can of tuna and
some crackers. He gently used a spoon to smear it unto a Ritz cracker. “Want some?” he asked
extending his hand towards Milly.
“Would I?” Milly questioned back excitedly.
“Would you?” Henry asked once more.
“Yes, my lovey-wovey.” Biting the cracker straight from his hand and smiling with each
crunch and each bite while proceeding to then kiss him on the cheek.
“Hey, c’mon, you're gonna get me all dirty.”
“That’s the idea, Sweetie.” She pushed him down on his back making him spill the tuna
and crackers.
“Well in that case I guess I’ll,” Henry dipped his finger in one of the grey chunks and
wiped it over her lips “Get you dirty too.” Henry began to kiss off the tuna as Milly grew redder
and hotter.
He was enraptured by her redness, but it made the sudden gray clouds behind her all the
more apparent. “When did those clouds roll in, it was clear a minute ago.” tip tip tip tiptiptiptip!
“We need to get rowing, Henry”
“Gotcha!”
Eventually they had reached the island as the thunder began to rumble. The rain started to
pour sideways and the two adventurers immediately became drenched.
“Help me pull the dinghy over there!” yelled Henry as more rain polluted his glasses.
“I’m way ahead of ya!” Milly mightely yelled in command. They began to pull the boat
furiously to a great rock face not too far from shore. It was there that they began to create a
shelter and attempt to dry their drenched clothes.
Henry began to explain “there’s no use of making a fire; everything’s drenched. So just
help me get some leaves to make the shelter a little dryer.”
“Alright, I’ll get some sticks to create a small frame.” Molly said in response.
“Gotcha” Henry replied.
In about an hour the shelter had been completed. The two were by each other’s side to
trying to keep warm while still in their underwear.
“Nice ain’t it?”
“Still better than Calcutta.”
“Yeah, that was terrible”
Rustle rustle
“What was that?”

>>16039528
>Seeing a book with a map is an instant drop for me
What a weirdo.

Say "Thank you Terry!" or else the god of fantasy and literature will curse you to never enjoy another sffg book again!

>fa/tg/uys are getting triggered by people not liking maps

>>16039539
Thank You Terry!!!!

>>16039542
>like maps
>means a /tg/ fag
Not really, I used to stare at maps since my childhood, during geography classes or when I found some atlas. I don't understand the weird hate towards maps. Sure, you don't need them and you can ignore them, but I don't get weird autistic hate.

How is it that Bruce Sterling is incapable of writing anything that doesn't feature cuckoldry, the fucking fetishist. Also, the dialogue in The Difference Engine is cringe as fuck.

>>16039531
>A young couple who have just married
Who wants to read about married couples? Married couples are boring as hell, and there are issues, married men are often pacified cucks without any sense of adventure, again boring as hell.
And how many more times are you going to write Gotcha?

>>16038954
not /sffg/ but Beast In View had ~50% of its chapters female character POV

>>16039495
That was probably after reading it. The Shire, the first place on the book, wasn't even in my copy of the map.
A map is only worth checking to get a few bearings. This city is to the East. This one to the West. Most of them are just generic crap, as generic as the writing and world building so I ignore them. They provide cero information that couldn't be surmised from reading the narrative.
For me it's like watching the drawings of some 10yo kid I've never met before.
Another difference between generic fantasy and Tolkien is that he spends so much time with little details and vast descriptions, making each place visited feel alive and alluring. As a result you might be interested in checking out where these places lay in relation to others.
They add absolutely nothing imo. Of course fucking Branderson, a grown ass childman, who gave seminars on fantasy cartography and geography, would include this dumb shit or diagrams and pictures of his creatures. Almost as bad as light novels.

>>16039531
>“Yeah, that was terrible”
>Rustle rustle
>“What was that?”
"Rustle rustle"? Sure you aren't writing for 10 year olds?

Anyone know of any good sites to publish more mature web novels? I'm using Royal Road for my epic fantasy story but it doesn't get much attention because of what I presume is the fact that 80% of the site is teenagers who want to read about anime/isekai tropes and those Chinese xianxia novels.

>>16039711
you've got to market it bub

>>16039706
well... my local community is mormon and i am mormon, so it really is age 10-15... [cont]


Milly drew her gun and Henry pulled out the pocket knife he had
on hand. The rustling continued and so did their racing hearts.
Then there it was, a little blond boy. All he had on was just a loincloth of dried leaves and
a makeshift spear. He must have been only seven, but Milly and Henry were just wondering what
a little child let alone a blonde child was doing on a remote island of indonesia.
“We saw that right, right?” said Henry.
“Yeah, that ain’t normal.”
They began to search for the boy, wherever he may be calling out little boy and yoohoo
all while in the rain and their underwear. The two were scared he might get sick
and die in the cold or worse yet, get struck by lightning.
“Little boy, where are you?” yelled Milly “little boy?” Suddenly she saw the boy’s spear
fly towards her, scraping the side of her torso. Achoo! Sniffle. All Milly thought of was that the
little boy was sick. She could hardly care about the cut. She saw the boy
wiping away his boogers all over his cheek. She extended him the bottom of her tank top to blow
his nose, which he did in a large amount. “Do you understand English?” She asked. The boy just
looked up at her. “I guess not.”
“Milly!” “Milly!” “Henry!”
“Oh Thank goodness you’re alive!” At that moment Henry noticed her cut. “Milly, are
you all right? You’re bleeding down to your thigh.”
He brought her back to the tent with the boy following him.
As Henry began wrapping up Milly’s wound, he looked into the boy’s eyes. He could see
the want for redemption in his eyes.
“Come hold this.”
“He doesn't speak English.”
“Well let me try this.” He motioned to the boy to come towards him and hold up the
bandage while he wrapped Milly. It was there where the three waited out the rain and were
awoken by a clear sky and the sun.
“Do you want to come with us, little boy?” Milly said while motioning to him towards
the boat. The boy shuttered and shook his head as maybe he was attached to the island somehow
or someway. “What are these?” Milly asked as she was handed two marbles the size of ping
pong balls, one blue like indigo and another like orange and honey. Milly put them away in her
satchel as he waved her and Henry goodbye.
As they rowed they saw the boy wave wider and wider before returning into the jungle.
“I’m going to miss that kid, you know.”
“Says the woman who got attacked by him.”
Something caught Henry’s eye. Something was expanding in Milly’s satchel.
“Hey, what is that? Check it out.” As she hoisted the satchel onto her lap she could feel
the weight increase. She looked into the satchel with amazement.
“What’s wrong?”
“Come look.” Now they both peered into the satchel and to their wonderment, two baby
boys had appeared, naked and grasping on the orbs. From then on, this was the Johanson family

>>16039360
Vance, Gemmell > Assimov

>>16039758
>Gives no reason
Ignore this faggot, he obviously got filtered by based Asimov. Asimov is the best sci-fi out there.

>>16039770
Assimov is dry and boring and nowhere near the best sci-fi out there. He was one of the tools who directly killed the popularity of literary sci-fi.

>>16039744
>“Yeah, that ain’t normal.”
Ain't?? Is Milly black?

>>16039758
Is Asimov dull? I bought it because it seems to be highly regarded. However, warlord chronicles left me wanting more fantasy so I'll probably give Gemmell a shot.

>>16039542
I'm gonna give it to you straight, laddie. You are the one that looks obsessed. Just let it go, maps are the easiest shit ever to just skip over and ignore.

>>16039611
>an on the spectrum autist can't understand normal people or put himself in their shoes
>thinks something is wrong with normals for not sharing his autism
Color me surprised.

>>16039807
Ain't is an actual word in the Oxford English dictionary faggot.

>>16039807
>>16040008
hello... 40008 isn't me.. but he is right, it is an actual word. milly is not black, she is pale.

>>16039807
niggerspeak is popular among kids

>>16040013
Why are you so meek? Call him a faggot for being an uneducated sister fucking hillbilly.

>>16038580
What if the words are supposed to be unpronounceable?

>>16040033
sorry... i can't say bad things since i have shared this story in my creative writing class in my college..

>>16038245
>Rothfuss says
stopped right there

>>16038830
There are too many redditors in this /sffg/ they deserve Shallan

>>16040122
read sanderson if you want to get published

>>16040132
No thanks I only write for my homies on 4chan

Just finished A memory called Empire. It was good imo solid 4/5. Scratched my rome but in space itch. Any other roman vibes scifi recs?

>>16040152
>implying we're your friends

>>16040013
If she is not black, then why does she speak like a nigger?

>>16040176
>roman vibes scifi recs?
The red rising trilogy

>>16040152
so... either you can write Sanderson level fantasy to fund your ability to full-time write, allowing you to create whatever deep complex nuanced philosophical /lit/ masturbatory book, or you can write that masturbatory book while your work for minimum wage at McDonalds for 60 hours a week and at the very most level of success, you'll get it published by some boutique that gets a couple hundred buys at the most, pick one

>>16040214
You are delusional.

>>16040227
how the fuck am I delusional? the only way any aspiring fantasy writer at /lit/ gets published is if they stop being so fucking pretentious and embrace sanderson's writing style instead of thinking they're better than it

>>16038175
Equal Rites is most YA book in the series and has the least direct ties so you can easy skip it if you don't like it. Personally I thought it was okay but I could not get into Wyrd Sisters at all. The only other witch book I've read was Lords and Ladies and that was merely alright

>>16040233
Not everybody has a bad, low-paying job (reportedly some people even enjoy their jobs), not everyone could get published even if they embraced whatever you want them to embrace, and certainly not every published author writes like Sanderson.
I really hope you were baiting with your posts.

>>16040246
Nah, I'd say books like Small Gods have the list direct ties.

>>16040214
>>16040264
Your both delusional for even entertaining the thought that becoming an author is a viable job in 2020.

>>16040279
It's certainly viable since some people manage it, but I'm not considering it myself.

>>16040279
It's not realistic, but it's possible.

>>16040279
>>16040297
>>16040315

Publish web serials. When you get a decent following, patreon and donations are the way to go until you get publisher interest.

It's not realistic to be a top tier professional athlete, but it is possible.

It's not practical to assume you'll become a multimillionaire streaming on Twitch, but it is possible.

>>16040373
lrn2read we don't want to publish anything

>>16040275
You're right. What I mean is it's by no means required reading for the characters and locations that it uses that reoccur later because they're presented so differently (UU and Weatherwax)

>>16040416
All good mate, I was just being autistic.

>>16040380
There's a difference in making 70,000 a year from your novels and 15 million a year as a NFL player.

>>16039879
>Is Asimov dull?
The dullest. He wrote like the robots he wanted to fuck. And you definitely want to read Gemmell if you dug Warlord Chronicles. But if you're wanting to read more stuff along the lines of WC you should check out Gemmell's Rigante series.

shilling

https://youtu.be/OdMaF5uLvY8?list=PLfVg4rq8f5Zerm7MVSxi6XN5NnFPe0NDx

>>16038561
can't tell if hoverhand

>>16040176
Foundation

>>16040439
70k is already top tier for novelists.

Just reading the responses to George RR Martin on twitter

Fucking hell. Fantasy readers really are the most degenerative group of people.

I am ashamed to be amongst them.

Any fantasy books with themes of parenthood?

>>16041180
show screencaps of the tweets.

I'm curious but I don't want to bother going through that site.

>>16041200
lol fuck off

>>16041180
>have no idea why the woke mob is now coming after GRRM
>google it
>GRRM referenced Lovecraft and Campbell and mispronounced some names
>this is why they want him cancelled
Hard to feel sorry for him since he's a leftoid retard himself and I'm sure he'll be issuing an apology any day now (if he hasn't already).

>>16041180
>Just reading the responses to George RR Martin on twitter

???

>>16041288
Yes he came out against the Sad Puppies

>>16041327
>>16041288
>>16041180
What's worse is that it's not even the genuine problem that's being called out.
Dude legit compared someone who came from a background of relatively rich people with an in to the industry back in the day, as equivalent to the young woman that won who struggled a fair bit financially to even get published the first time round (from my understanding).
But nah, that's barely talked about if not talked about at all. And it's the literal only problem.
I can see mispronunciation of the winners name's being a problem, but from what I gathered only the uptight ones cared - not a surprise.
Not the mispronunciation of Fiyah. It's a shit name, often hypocritical as well so fuck them.
Not the rant, but that did suck because it was boring to listen to.

The vocal minority of the left is eating itself from within and doesn't even realise it.
Makes the rest of us look like proper loons.
This is the most non-troversy in SFF this year.

Weird how nobody wants to read all these Hugo award winners these days, isn't it?

>>16041327
What the heck is Sad Puppies?

>>16041446
https://emperorponders.blog/

This guy actually reads and reviews Hugo nominees and winners and it's pretty funny how fucking awful most of them are. Even the "good" ones could, at best, be called mediocre.

>>16041462
>Sad Puppies was an unsuccessful[1] right-wing[2] anti-diversity[3] voting campaign intended to influence the outcome of the annual Hugo Awards, the longest-running prize (since 1953) for science fiction or fantasy works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies

>new fantasy bad
>old fantasy good

>>16041477
>wikipedia
lol anon, please.

>>16041477
Could we revive Sad Puppies. /sffg/

>>16041490

>>16039879
Asimov is only dull if you are an absolute brainlet. And while the lyonesse is excellent and better than foundation you shouldn't discount Asimov based on it as his best works are his short stories. Only retard who prefer shitty soap operas to exploring interesting sci-fi concepts would diss assimov.

What should I read before I crack open this series, /sffg/?

>>16041503
No point. No one takes the Hugos seriously anymore.

>>16041531
The Bible

Has there ever been a fantasy or scifi book written while the author was in jail?

>>16041474
>The first contender this year is Do Not Look Back, My Lion by Alix E. Harrow. This story is what happens when a writer has an average-to-good idea for a story, writes it, but then realizes she’s not going to get any of that sweet literary attention with just a well-written piece—so she just switches the gender of all the characters of the story. Yeah, just like that. This is the first sentence:

>Eefa has been a good husband, she knows, but now she is running.

>And that’s how you get a Hugo nomination. Yes, the protagonist is a woman (referred as she) who is also a husband, and her wife is also a woman, but she is masculine and a warrior, but she is referred as she too, and a wife. All clear? Good.

Ahahahahaha

Fuck this Gay Earth

>>16041531
If you dont read LotR as a 6 book series rather than 3 books then youre not getting the intended or optimal experience.

>>16041622
What are the other books that I should read for LotR?

>>16041664
>>16041554

>>16041435
>Dude legit compared someone who came from a background of relatively rich people with an in to the industry back in the day, as equivalent to the young woman that won who struggled a fair bit financially to even get published the first time round (from my understanding).
When did anons on /lit/ become such little bitches

/sffg/, it's been a year and I still haven't gotten my passion back for more than 2 days at a time. what am I supposed to do going forward?

>>16041490
See: >>16041621

>>16039017
Can concur. Wish she would finish that series already. I've been waiting years.

>>16041802
masturbate. if you do already, do it more.

>>16041435
>Dude legit compared someone who came from a background of relatively rich people with an in to the industry back in the day, as equivalent to the young woman that won who struggled a fair bit financially to even get published the first time round (from my understanding).
as anon political anon you are part of the problem You make yourself look like a loon.

>>16041892
>anon
*a non

Which one enjoys furry porn?

>>16042392
neither, Rothfuss masturbates to himself in the mirror while Sanderson is missionary for procreation with his wife

>>16039539
Thank you So MUCH Mr Goodkind! You are tall, handsome, smart, funny, and so clever! A modern day genius!

Books with Amazons or books with sex robots please. Not looking for erotica but I'll take what I can get.

>>16041490
Yes

why are the stables never guarded in fantasy books? everytime anyone goes to an inn they seem content to leave everything they own including horses to sleep in a room

She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.

>>16042546
Wow... so this is the power of modern epic fantasy

>>16041780
>When did anons on /lit/ become such little bitches

4chan is all little bitches crying about their safespace

>>16042563
Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons off my face and fingers one by one, all those pale sticky princes. You claimed your right, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs.

>>16042546
Imagine reading this shit

fuck, I've got some crippling writers block.

>>16042571

>>16042546
>>16042571
>not posting the goat

>Was there ever a woman with nipples so large or so responsive? He could hardly look at them without wanting to grab them, to suckle them until they were hard and wet and shiny

>>16041446
It's an industry award m9-1, do you care who wins the Oil Driller's Prize when you fill your tank or who won the Baker's Union Awards when you buy your bread?

>>16042591
>>16042571
>>16042546
Is this the great fantasy writer of the modern era? Holy shit.

>>16042591
That one is good, Arianne is hot

>>16042614
yes because everyone else is actually much, much worse

>>16042614
>people are able to nitpick a handful of bad passages in a 5 book epic series

>>16042621
The Land Across, Pirate Freedom and Sorcerer's House all came later than this and I don't really need to tell how much better they are.

>>16042634
>handful

Have you forgotten how awful the pacing is? Or how the perspective shit stops the action dead in its tracks every fucking time and it almost never picks back momentum? Or how you could cut 50% of the cast and nothing will be lost? Or how the world barely makes sense and is just paper-thin medieval England? Or how some of the main characters are insufferable? Or the looooong descriptions of food and dishes?

>>16042665
dilate

>>16042665
Nah mate, fuck off.

>>16042687
>>>/lgbt/

>>16042693
yes, that's where your tranny ass belongs

Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night.

>>16041664
The series should be divided into 6 books, not 3. It's not about adding books.

>>16038136
Anything early in his career or very late is not worth it.

>>16042591
>>16042546
>>16042571
Someone post How Deep is your Bag's End

>>16042721
actually Tolkien's intention was always for it to be published as a single volume

>>16042724
I think his early books are pretty good

Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>>16042733
They seemed generic and unfunny. Jingo in particular was bad. All the speech was awkward

He found a line and pulled on it, fighting toward the hatch to get himself below out of the storm, but a gust of wind knocked his feet from under him and a second slammed him into the rail and there he clung. Rain lashed at his face, blinding him. His mouth was full of blood again. The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.

>>16042687
>>16042688
>>16042697
Reddit in full force today I see

>>16042776
By the time she had him hard again, he was awake and she was wet. Asha draped the furs across her bare shoulders and mounted him, drawing him so deep inside her that she could not tell who had the cock and who the cunt.

>>16042709
Whoa

>>16042766
>The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.
Reminds me of Bakker describing a character's face looking like a ball sack. I have no idea if these fucking hacks were intentionally trying to be funny or they really thought they wrote some profound and clever shit.

>>16042809
I like to think George was having bowel problems when he wrote this and the shitting brown water scenes

>>16042818
I think he always does

What you fags getting in August?

>>16038253
>>16039162
Thanks. It'll be a toincoss (literally) between Gemmell's and Lyonesse.
I've been reading more SF and a couple were le zany 60-70s in style, so PKD is a no go for now. I'm slightly hyped thanks to your post though. I tend to leave promising stuff for rainy days.

>>16043117
Not new stuff.

But Conan Collection and Chapterhouse Dune are on my list.

>The wench blinked. "I ... I thought ... " "I know what you thought." Suddenly Jaime was sick of the sight
of her. She bleats like a bloody sheep. "When Ned Stark died, his greatsword was given to the King's
justice," he told her. "But my father felt that such a fine blade was wasted on a mere headsman. He gave
Ser Ilyn a new sword, and had Ice melted down and reforged. There was enough metal for two new
blades. You're holding one. So you'll be defending Ned Stark's daughter with Ned Stark's own steel, if
that makes any difference to you."
"Ser, I ... I owe you an apolo . . .
He cut her off. "Take the bloody sword and go, before I change my mind. There's a bay mare in the
stables, as homely as you are but somewhat better trained. Chase after Steelshanks, search for Sansa, or
ride home to your isle of sapphires, it's naught to me. I don't want to look at you anymore."
"Jaime ...
"Kingslayer," he reminded her. "Best use that sword to clean the wax out of your ears, wench. We're
done."
Stubbornly, she persisted. "Joffrey was your. .
"My king. Leave it at that."
"You say Sansa killed him. Why protect her?"
Because Joff was no more to me than a squirt of seed in Cersei's cunt. And because he deserved to die.
"I have made kings and unmade them. Sansa Stark is my last chance for honor." Jaime smiled thinly.
"Besides, kingslayers should band together. Are you ever going to go?"
Her big hand wrapped tight around Oathkeeper. "I will. And I will find
the girl and keep her safe. For her lady mother's sake. And for yours." She bowed stiffly, whirled, and
went.
Jaime sat alone at the table while the shadows crept across the room. As dusk began to settle, he lit a
candle and opened the White Book to his own page. Quill and ink he found in a drawer. Beneath the last
line Ser Barristan had entered, he wrote in an awkward hand that might have done credit to a
six-year-old being taught his first letters by a maester:
Defeated in the Whispering Wood by the Young Wolf Robb Stark during the War of the Five Kings.
Held captive at Riverrun and ransomed for a promise unfuffilled. Captured again by the Brave
Companions, and maimed at the word of Vargo Hoat their captain, losing his sword hand to the blade of Zollo the Fat. Returned safely to King's Landing by Brienne, the Maid of Tarth.
When he was done, more than three-quarters of his page still remained to be filled between the gold lion
on the crimson shield on top and the blank white shield at the bottom. Ser Gerold Hightower had begun
his history, and Ser Barristan Selmy had continued it, but the rest Jaime Lannister would need to write for
himself. He could write whatever he chose, henceforth.
Whatever he chose ...

That night, after the plates had been cleared, Robb carried Bran up to bed himself. Grey Wind led the way, and Summer came close behind. His brother was strong for his age, and Bran was as light as a bundle of rags, but the stairs were steep and dark, and Robb was breathing hard by the time they reached the top.
He put Bran into bed, covered him with blankets, and blew out the candle. For a time Robb sat beside him in the dark. Bran wanted to talk to him, but he did not know what to say. "We'll find a horse for you, I promise," Robb whispered at last.
"Are they ever coming back?" Bran asked him.
"Yes," Robb said with such hope in his voice that Bran knew he was hearing his brother and not just Robb the Lord. "Mother will be home soon. Maybe we can ride out to meet her when she comes. Wouldn't that surprise her, to see you ahorse?" Even in the dark room, Bran could feel his brother's smile. "And afterward, we'll ride north to see the Wall. We won't even tell Jon we're coming, we'll just be there one day, you and me. It will be an adventure." "An adventure," Bran repeated wistfully. He heard his brother sob. The room was so dark he could not
see the tears on Robb's face, so he reached out and found his hand. Their fingers twined together.

>>16039377
Jacobs is exactly of the dolichocephalic dweeb I expected him to look like.

>>16041446
I read the winner of this year. It was fine. But I'm currently reading a little older books.

>>16038954
Till We Have Faces

>>16041190
I don't know any, sorry.
>>16042619
True.
>>16042591
goat is myrish swamp, but fat fuck didn't go far enough so I need fanfics to continue cersei x taena lezdom
>>16043377
Don't talk shit to CIA man.

>>16043246
What are you trying to prove by posting this? The writing is perfectly fine.

Trying to remember a fantasy series I read once. Only a few things still stand out to me. In one of the books the younger sister singlehandedly creates an entire race of sentient creatures out of a planet made of silicon with a single spell, and in another the backbone of the plot is fighting a war in some other kid's head to cure his autism. Ring any bells?

>>16043404
just wanted to post some of his better stuff, otherwise faggots here will remain convinced that his works focuses solely on shitting and swamp fisting.

>>16043436
Oh, I found it. The "Young Wizards" series. I'm reading now that the author actually rewrote that autism book, lmao

>>16038164
>3 of the taken were female, but we didn't know which
>soulcatcher had a very feminine body
>soulcatcher used her female voice she always used for serious talk, maybe it was her real voice?
>"my husband has gotten to the female taken, those bitches!"
>chop off head, remove mask
>woah what the fuck soulcatcher was a girl this whole time???
was croaker retarded?

>>16043548
>>"my husband has gotten to the female taken, those bitches!"
Shut up, Lady, you frigid bitch.

>>16043548
he wasn't a shitlord who assumes a person's gender, you bigot

>>16043559
>>16043548
To add, yeah, it's kind of silly. Croaker did mention one time that the gender of the Taken didn't matter to him or the Company, but still.

>>16039360
Foundation is extremely boring. Vance is the best of those.

Can wuxia/xianxia ever be good?

>>16039531

You've published something before? This is really really terrible even for sffg standards. You have to really look at the way you create sentences, these are almost all awful. E.g. "Now Henry began to open a can of tuna and
some crackers. He gently used a spoon to smear it unto a Ritz cracker." Why is that interesting to a reader? What does this tell them about anything, besides them eating some shitty packaged food? The dialogue sounds very awkward: "“Would I?” Milly questioned back excitedly.
“Would you?” Henry asked once more.
“Yes, my lovey-wovey.”"

You need to practice a lot before you are in a place to show people this shit, I'm sorry but it is truly awful. Also if you're going to post some sort of sff stuff, could you at least post a bit that has relevance to the genre? This excerpt was boring as hell.

>>16039744
This is better than the first bit you posted but still needs a fair bit of work.

>>16043616
No, but it will also never be bad.

Actually reverend insanity, or atleast the first half is amazing.

Also paragon of sin was pretty good for the first hundred chapters, so a better statement would be "will webshit every stay good."

>>16043548
Waifuism rots your brain

>>16038245
>Both NoTW and WMF have maps at the start
Rothfuss's argument is invalid

>>16038245
>>16039285
I'm not sure I agree. You're dealing with an imaginary landscape that is supposed to be consistent like a real continent or whatever. If there's going to lots of moving around to various locations I think it's a good idea, just to help the reader keep it all straight in his head.

>>16038245
>are unnecessary.
Perhaps, but I do like them, to immerse myself and maybe track the characters.

>>16043883
Publishers probably force maps because theyre "supposed" to be in fantasy

>>16043920
People who dont live in new york dont have any idea about the layout of the city either, does that mean that every crime novel should have map of NY at the start?

Maps, glossaries, etc. should be there as a secondary support for the reader. Everything that he needs to know should be present in the text itself, but that stuff should be available in case you forget where shit is, or what something means, so you don't have to go hunting back through the book to figure it out.

maps don't even represent real landscapes well
useless addition to a book

>>16043985
NY is a real place so you can use google maps or find a map somewhere. Shit authors probably wouldn't make it actually accurate to the real jew york anyway.

>>16043985
I literally said
>If there's going to be lots of moving around to various locations
Meaning that if your novel is just set in a single city or something then it probably doesn't need a map.

>>16043985
Fuck I hate when Amerifats use locations in their country with familiarity as if we're all supposed to be urban metropolitan yuppies. Real egoism there.

Journey to the West is dogshit, doesn't even have a map to tell me where the monkey is going

>>16044008
All American books need a Dumb Europoo Appendix with maps and explanations of things foreigners might not understand.

>>16043997
>>16043985
That be said, I have read one steampunk novel set in my country, during alt-history 19 - early 20 century and the book had a map of the city where much of the action takes place. As far as I know at least portions of that map are accurate to that time period. Pretty nifty, if not that important.

I am still here to shill Books of Babel, The Chathrand Voyage and How to Rule an Empire and Get Away With It.

Opinions on John Gwynne’s Of Blood and Bone trilogy?

Loved Faithful and the Fallen, but it just looks like more of the same.

memes and Hugo drama aside, can anyone tell me if NK Jemisin's Broken Earth trilogy is worth a read?

>>16044156
No.

>>16042546
What book is this from?

>>16044156
If you wanna know something, read it. Almost everyone in sffg has an agenda, and will tell you what they think you should hear. A lot of the new regulars are readlets. They don't even read and can't tell you why something is "bad" without repeating a wiki or copy pasting what someone who actually read the book said in the general.

What was funny was when someone made up shit in a book that was leaked, and the readlets ran with it thinking the shit the guy mentioned actually happened. Of course when they were presented with the truth they claimed that they were "only pretending to piss x off".

>>16042571
got damn what the fuck

"His battering ram shattered the slimy portcullis of her maidenhood."
Y/N

>>16039635
You haven't been hugged in over a year, anon?

>>16044156
The author has ability but squanders it on detailed sodomy scenes and eye rolling second person POVs.

Why was Oathbringer so shit bros?

>>16044156
It's awful. She has no understanding of how people act, it is laughably cringy...and breaks what could have been a potentially cool setting.

First time delving into sci-fi/fantasy. I keep seeing Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson on recommended lists and it has overwhelmingly positive reviews. However after reading this thread I see that you guys seem to dislike him. Is he actually bad, or is disliking him just a meme? I'd really like to pick up a sff book and it seems like this one would be good.

>>16045328
The first 2 books in the series are somewhat good. But he derails everything in the third one. So much so that I will not continue the series considering that it will have 10 main books in general.

if the characters themselves uses maps, no reason the reader shouldn't have a look at them

>>16043203
>Conan Collection
Make sure you get the Del Ray books.

Any book like berserk?

>>16045359
>Any book like berserk?

LMAO

>>16044008
lol you filthy gooks are so obsessed with America we know you know everything about our country. Nice try though.

>>16044156
If you're a faggot who loves terrible woke fantasy then read it.

>>16044798
kys

>>16045328
Way of Kings is the Big Bang Theory of epic fantasy. As in it's popular because it appeals to the lowest common denominator.

>>16045393
Whats worth reading in Epic Fantasy then?

>>16045399
Nothing

>>16045328
what >>16045393 said.

You can expect bland characters, overused cliches, love triangles and zero sexual content because "Muh Mormonism".

>>16045406
ebic

>>16045411
You forgot to mention how atrocious the dialog is.

>>16045418
Sorry, but I just don't care for epic fantasy anymore. But I would rather read something like Malazan over Sanderson shit. Malazan is a bloated fucking mess, but it does have more interesting crap going on than Way of Kings and it's a finished series.

>>16045365
>31
Fag

>>16045509
Typical /a/ post.

>>16044156
The literary techniques used are interesting but Jemisin still hasn't managed to write an interesting story imo.

>>16045411
>zero sexual content

But that's a good thing.

>>16045460
Malazan was based. I sometimes wonder why it’s not more popular.

>>16045545
Yes, because for someone like you nothing screams immersion more than the absence of sex.

>>16045546
because the first book is pretty much incoherent if you don't stick with it for 300 pages

>>16045393
>It's bad because it's popular
Dumbass can't even attack the actual book because there's nothing to attack, it's a great story. All he can do is bitch about it's fans.

>>16045359
Which aspect of Berserk exactly? It has a million different influences.

>>16045609
>>16045411
>>16045425

>>16045609
If you're new here, lurk more.
If you're not new, don't you get tired of playing this stupid game over and over? Almost every sffg general touches on Sanderson and several arguments have been given as to why he sucks.
The thing is, you don't deserve much attention if you can't be arsed to inform yourself.

>>16045781
>Lurk moar
So I can read a bunch of disingenuous meme shit? I want serious answers about why I should or shouldn't read his stuff not whatever inside joke bullshit I've seen so far. How are you this stupid? Are you sure this is the right board for you? You have to be smart to read you know.

>>16042546
This is a commentary on the nature of women and how they are literally controlled by their biology. To a woman her cunt is her world.

>>16045874
>>16045634

>>16045905
Thanks for linking me to more meme answers I can ignore.

>>16045918
You're welcome, homosexual.

>>16043657
Paragon of Sin author's is american, so I'm not sure that would classify as "chinkshit".
I agree that Reverend Insanity first part is pretty good, but after a while it gets repetitive.

Does anyone have that forum link to the guy who got banned after reviewing many sffg books?
I remember he reviewed Jack Vance, GGK, Gene Wolfe and several others.

>>16045565
Absolutely destroyed.

Just got an audible membership. Any audiobooks where the narrator doesn't suck?

>>16046003
I could give it to you but I suspect if I do I'll start seeing the awful opinions posted there parroted back in this thread

>>16046149
The ones I checked weren't that far off, though the BotNS wasn't on point.

>>16044798
Gentlemen will understand it, but will find it crass.

>>16044798
>slimy
Very Lovecraftian.

>>16046489
https://www.xvideos.com/video32947063/untamed_tentacle_scene
NIGGERMAN, HELP ME

Recently read Shadow of the Torturer and liked it a lot, will definitely be reading the rest of New Sun, but I'm also interested in other non-Wolfe books that are similar. Any suggestions (having a modernist edge without being post-modern "everything is subjective/there is no meaning to anything" tripe, dream-like quality, no political and social messages that don't directly and only serve the story, greater literary depth)?

>>16046581
There's nothing quite like Book of the New Sun, anon. You're really not going to find anything similar from other writers. The closest would be someone like John C. Wright.

>>16045328
read it and think for yourself.

>>16046581
Wolfe's inspiration for New Sun came from Jack Vance's Dying Earth books.

>>16038190
absolutely enjoyed Children of Time

This book could be easily of 400 pages.

Fuck you Sanderson

>>16047261
>Shallan chapters
Pure garbage.

>>16047279
After reading the 3 books, honestly, I prefer other fantasy books with the patriarchy thing or just books with female powerful characters in general, instead of Sanderson's "Look, women are empowered here, they draw things and they can rob guys too!"

It's ironic, but sound like the most liberal garbage bullshit ever

>>16046104
Any books narrated by John Lee.

>>16040203
Is it actually good? I got put off by everyone saying it was YA and pretty derivative of stuff like the hunger games.

>>16046003
>>16046149
Come on, I'm bored. Post the link. I can't even remember what website it was on (doesn't seem to be on westeros.org)

>>16041622
How do I actually do this? Is it just a question of pausing after Tolkien says Book 1 has ended? Is it a question of separating each book in your head? Sorry I’m a brainlet.

>>16047144
I know, but they are nothing like New Sun other than the parallels in the dying earth setting.

Why were hugo's assblasted by gurm?

>>16047968
he mispronounced some person's weirdo name and offhandedly referenced Lovecraft without denouncing his racism

>>16048043
And he apologized like the faggot he is.

So apparently it's out.

>>16048181
spooky

>friend and I come together to write a fantasy novel
>he spends 15 pages on a pretentious prose where he rants about marxism and individualism
which one of you is my friend?

>>16048192
pleb filtered

>>16046581
Nabokov and Proust are probably the most similar to Wolfe. Also Borges.

>>16045346
we need less maps in /sffg/ and more MAPs

>>16048368
I don't usually say this, but I'm going to make an exception and come right out with it;
BASED and REDPILLED

>>16046581
Memoirs of Hadrian and Pale Fire are closest to the style

>>16046003
Somethingawful

Every day is a new thread now.

>>16048192
All of us are your friend, friend.

>>16047871
What that guy said is a meaningless distinction. It's all just one story in the end, you can't choose to "experience" it differently (unless you start switching chapters around). And the books are clearly divided by setting and characters, you'll know when you hit a break anyway.

>>16048168
He did apologize for mispronouncing the names, not for praising Lovecraft and Campbell thankfully.

These threads keep getting more active and higher quality each time.

>>16047793
>not Bruce Lee
Disregarded

>>16048468
>you can't choose to "experience" it differently (unless you start switching chapters around)
Oh okay, thank you anon. I was confused largely because on my first time through I gave little consideration to the book separations and had no issues. Glad to hear it makes no real difference to one’s enjoyment or appreciation.

Started reading again a while ago and only just remembered these threads existed.
Please enjoy my uninvited blogpost to follow.

Cixin Liu's Dark Forest trilogy (a.k.a. The Three Body Problem) - More idea than execution. I almost wonder if it would have worked better as short stories, but then I never would have read them. The central conceit, that only one man between two advanced spacefaring civilizations could discover the "dark forest" nature of the galaxy, when that's already a widely known, 50+ year old solution to the Fermi paradox, is almost offensive.

"Bobiverse" trilogy by I-don't-care-who - I seriously hope no one on /lit/ has even heard of these. I can't figure out how these were written by a grown man (or why I read them). I wonder if the copies I pirated may have been pre-prints or something, because there were significant continuity errors where chunks of dialog had obviously been moved around in all of them. The conceit is that a nerdy software engineer with a workaholic can-do personality becomes, through a comedy of errors, a self-replicating star ship, and dozens of copies of him (almost like Culture ships, characters with names and personalities that just happen to have computers and ships as physical bodies) proceed to fly around cleaning up the galaxy's various messes. The highlight for me was the copy who cosplayed as Star Trek's William Riker. All of his lines easily fit into Riker's voice and character, and that made me wonder if some of these stories started as Star Trek fanfiction.

Connie Willis' Doomsday Book - The last one left such a bad taste in my mouth that I had to pick one up that I already knew was a beloved classic. All I knew was that it was about time travel to the middle ages, I had no idea that it was going to revolve around multiple pandemics. The timeliness of that was eerie to me. It has the very Brit-lit quality of some exaggeratedly one-note side characters and antagonists, but the key characters are so lovingly rendered that I didn't mind. Only the fact that a huge portion of the text is devoted to describing difficulties placing long-distance (trunk) phone calls in a system that works like it's from the 1950s (when the setting is supposed to be the 2050s) was distracting. In everything else, it was like a magic trick. I loved the way the muddled Saxon and Norman mix of languages of the medieval characters gradually came into comprehensible focus as the protagonist learned to understand them. Even though the reader is clued into the "twist" very early on, and must then slog through a big portion of of the book just begging the characters to see what should be obvious, it did manage to keep me guessing. The conclusion was effective for me and emotionally satisfying. I felt that the book had conveyed its "purpose."

Now I'm reading Bakker for the first time. I don't usually read fantasy, but seeing his name reminded me that he was a meme in these threads when I used to read them.

>>16048584
I thought the bob books were absolute dogshit, someone else here seems to like them tho iirc
Always seen doomsday book on lists/recs but never got around to actually reading it

>>16048661
I get that they're supposed to be fun/funny, and that the goofiness is just a device to allow the books to explore many interesting sci-fi ideas simultaneously, but I don't think it succeeded in any of that. The sardonic element is dropped so early on, and then the entire series becomes a procedural about tying up loose plot ends that should have been nothing but jokes in the first place. It became very static, when it should have kept evolving. I'm not sure how this particular criticism plays here, but it was almost laughable how there wasn't a single real female character (who wasn't an unnamed "pretty blond" mentioned only so that Bob-1 could verify to the reader that he could still feel attraction) until halfway through the series, as if someone reading drafts reminded the author that some people are women, and he hastily began inserting them as side characters whose gender never mattered beyond which pronoun he referred to them by.
Actually, I felt a little bit disgusted by the fact that Bob himself is a man-machine who repeatedly "gives birth" to other machine-men. "The Bobs" were giant flying wombs, and it was even explicitly stated that the androids did not have penises and did not have sex with the eventual single female major character (who then, despite becoming a machine-woman, never gave "birth" herself). I've never believed that "womb envy" was an actual real thing, but this author may have convinced me otherwise. I think all of that was subconscious on his part, because the text indicates no awareness of the otherwise literal emasculation of Bob.

That was one of the reasons why I wanted the next book I read to have been written by a woman, and Doomsday Book turned out to be far more satisfying. Certainly a "feminine" sort of book, all about love and hope and jealousy and fear, but that was fine because it suited the book's apparent purpose of humanizing the billions of nameless dead of human history. The only reason I'd never read it before was that I thought the title was stupid (and yes, I knew it was a pun on the historical Domesday book).

>>16048661
>>16048584
Currently I'm in the process of dropping Bobiverse too, so I guess we can say that this shit isn't all that well received here.

>>16048797
Yeah, it doesn't play well here. Go back whence you came.

>>16048802
Were the continuity errors present in your copy? There were numerous, but the biggest one I can remember off the top of my head was early-stage Bob saying to the psychiatrist character (who the novel came a hair's breadth from simply describing as "Jew doctor") something like "How does that connect to colonization?" several pages before anything related to space travel or colonization are mentioned to him for the first time. Later in the same chapter Bob is still wondering about what his "job" as a replicant will be.

>>16048854
I come from 2010 /lit/.

>>16045328
400k words of mediocre prose and snail's pace plot progression so we can have a twist at the end. Each book is worse than the last.

>>16048192
I had a different experience. We discussed the story and characters for ages and then went to get started. I wrote a 20k word short story style thing and he did nothing. He read the first three pages of my story and said I shouldn't have described the premise. I said "oh, okay, I'll make it more subtle with hints and shit" but then that was the end of it.

Don't collaborate, kids.

>>16048584
>Now I'm reading Bakker for the first time. I don't usually read fantasy, but seeing his name reminded me that he was a meme in these threads when I used to read them.
He's the grimderpiest grimderp writer out there currently. Unless something else dropped recently that even out grimderps Bakker.

robin hobb fucks dogs

>>16048797
is this bait?

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>>16048960
Let me just clear up that when I say "disgusted," I mean viscerally grossed out, not "morally affronted" or something. Bob described himself as "squirting." It was gross. Do you honestly think otherwise? Or are you just searching for a raging feminazi boogeyman in my post?

>>16048797
>I wanted the next book I read to have been written by a woman

>>16048954
I'm not sure I've ever read anything that would be described as "grimdark" anyway, so what's the harm in consuming some? The made up names and references to unexplained history are a little hard to follow, of course, but the parts I've understood of the first couple chapters have piqued my curiosity enough to want to read more.

>>16049004
And it was like a hundred times better, frogposter. Go slog through those (mercifully short, at least) books, 500 pages of Reddit humor and Star Trek references, and tell me I'm wrong.

>>16049007
You either love or hate Bakker. Just read it and decide for yourself. The names and places do all come together eventually.

>>16048957
Robin Hobb is great, I'm nit sure why people don't discuss her more considering she didn't really pozz her good series up, has fantastic prose, interesting realistic characters, and low mysterious magic.

Is Hyacinth is Book of the Long Sun a tranny?
>named after a gay prince
>stays at the home of a gay criminal
>was flat chested when young, has fake tits
It would explain Silk's weird feelings about the whole situation.

/sffg/ deserves to die and you rotten folk along with it

>>16049117
the first 2 elderlings books were good, but she definitely fucks dogs

>>16049338
nah, she's into old dudes because she has daddy issues

>>16049275
Chenille says she had small tits while she was still at Orpine's. It would make the part where she fucks a Triviguanti weird since they're supposed to all be dykes. Also the fact that Blood whores her out to all his guests for free makes it less likely.
I think you're overlooking the part about Silk being a priest being the main source of his conflicted attitude. The gods say if you get pussy then you aren't allowed to see a god. Not a big deal for most people but to Silk it matters.

>>16049361
she's into old dudes with big dogs

>>16049117
People don't like Hobb because she has her protagonists suffer

Anyone reading any military fantasy lately? I just finished book one of Black Company and want to take a break with something poppier like Codex Alara before jumping into book two

>>16049414
Rage of Dragons was fun
Although it's really a power up fantasy disguised as military fantasy

>>16049007
The prologue of the very first Prince of Nothing book has a 6 year old boy getting raped by a man. Not because it's important to the characters or story, but because Bakker wants to let you know right away he's the grimderpiest grimderp writer on the block. I actually like "darker" fantasy, but the problem with your average grimderp writer (and Bakker is no different) is that they substitute quality horror atmosphere and storytelling with shock value for the most part. It's usually edginess for the sake of edginess. Someone like Karl Edward Wagner wrote fantastic horror/fantasy stories that didn't rely on over the top gore or graphic rape.

>>16049338
I like her first 3 trilogies. Her subsequent 3 series are varied in quality but certainly I think Liveship Traders is one of the most underrated fantasy series.

>>16049399
It keeps them from feeling like Gary Stus. I think the more frustrating is when they act illogically because of their personal hangups, but I personally enjoy such strong character writing.

>>16049644
*I will actually praise Bakker though for making his villains seem truly, horribly villainous; the problem is the "heroes" aren't much better.

>>16038136
>world of poo
Indian-land?

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MAKE A NEW THREAD

Did anything good come out this year? Haven't been paying much attention

>>16049886
ok
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