/lit/ - Literature

>>16035568
Why is it that both idealism and this mentality came from Germany?

I AM Music.

>>16035568
quote?

Nabokov and Heidegger hated music.

It is the sign of a big brain.

>>16035576
But hitler liked music

>>16035600
>It is the sign of a big brain.
Excuse me?

>>16035576
Well almost every musical master also came from Germany. So make of that what you will.

>>16035593
He as a historically further philosopher, ruminating, thought that he could close the gap between philosopher and poet which Plato showed an eternal battle between, but being a philosopher nonetheless poet was shifted to musician and the philosopher remained always at odds with the artist.

>>16035568
based, authors who loved music just loved sensorial entertainment and had nothing else, all those who said that music is the greatest art yadda yadda would rot their brains before television if they were born today

>>16035600
This but unironically. People always attach so much meaning and deep thought to songs where had they been part of a political discussion, you’d look like a retard. You can only say so much in a 4 minute song where half of that is the chorus and some instrumentals. Conscious rappers just look like melodramatic whiny bitches just repeatedly saying “things are bad”. If you’re used to the precision of philosophy and don’t feel an emotional connection to the music, then I’m sure it feels completely empty.

>>16035666
>music bad
>uses rap as his example

Music is VR for emotions. It has become a commodity designed to fool the drone that he has experienced an adequate range of feeling in his mundane daily existence.
Commute, toil, rinse, repeat - here's a crescendo - a chorus, that fools you into thinking your life is somehow engaging.

Marx would be rallying against music, not religion, if he could see how fiercely this "opiate" has gripped people in the modern world.

Take out the earbuds.

The man that hath no music in himself,
Nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds,
Is fit for treasons, stratagems, and spoils.
The motions of his spirit are dull as night,
And his affections dark as Erebus.
Let no such man be trusted.

>>16035686
It doesn’t matter. What did the only cranberries song anyone knows really say besides “bad things are happening”? Any genre has the the same problem. Or prove me wrong, show me a song that forms a complete and logical argument. It’s just a shitty medium for anything other than the emotional. That’s why Kanye is the greatest artistic genius of our time.

>>16035872
>show me a song that forms a complete and logical argument

Why should it? Why should music do that?

>>16035872
Why do you expect music to have anything beyond aesthetic to begin with? Do you look for complex arguments in painting and poetry too?

>>16035872
>Or prove me wrong, show me a song that forms a complete and logical argument.
Lmao what an absolute BUGMAN. "err sir you'll urr have to provide me with a logical empirical argument for music err sir, err sir I don't see an essay when I listen to music, do you? Hmph, I think not hehehe".

Listen to this: https://youtu.be/Xc6-KozGK3c?t=634

Considering your best reference for a critique of music is "Kanye" and you claim music is inferior to literature, I gather you must not dislike poetry. So here is of course the most famous example of a poem set to music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVJbRiLI2WE And you don't think this is merely meaningless sound do you? Heidegger did not dismiss the effect and strength of music, only its produced importance in our culture, you on the other hand entirely deny its beauty because it does not have a content which appeals to essentially what you want philosophy only in words.

>>16035735
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Based. Do you listen to audio books or are you beyng?

>>16035872
>he doesn't know motifs exist in music