/lit/ - Literature

Goodreads Reads: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
August 1st-15th: Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency - Douglas Adams https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/365.Dirk_Gently_s_Holistic_Detective_Agency
August 16th-30th: The Drowned World - J.G. Ballard
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16234584-the-drowned-world

Discord Reads: https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m
The Winter King - Bernard Cornwell
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68520.The_Winter_King
The Gone World - Tom Sweterlitsch
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/33413556-the-gone-world

Downloads: https://mega.nz/folder/boM2VYIL#tIAAgdpTC_khpDE5jLMAWw

Some books coming out in August.
Some of these may have already been out in hardcover and are now releasing ebook and paperback editions.
ROBERT JACKSON BENNETT • In the Shadow of Men
BEN BOVA & DOUG BEASON • Space Station Down
CHRISTOPHER BROWN • Failed State
P.D. CACEK • Second Chances
NEIL CLARKE, ED. • The Best Science Fiction of the Year • Volume Five
JULIE E. CZERNEDA • Mirage
SETH DICKINSON • The Tyrant Baru Cormorant
GARDNER DOZOIS & MICHAEL SWANWICK
GREG EGAN • Dispersion
SHANNON HALE • Kind of a Big Deal
LAURELL K. HAMILTON • Sucker Punch
MARIA DAHVANA HEADLEY • Beowulf
KEVIN HEARNE • Ink & Sigil
RICHARD KADREY • Ballistic Kiss
DEREK KÜNSKEN • The House of Styx
JOHN LANGAN • Children of the Fang and Other Genealogies
JEFFREY ALAN LOVE • The Mountain of Smoke
JONATHAN MABERRY • Lost Roads
STEPHENIE MEYER • Midnight Sun
TAMSYN MUIR • Harrow the Ninth
KAREN OSBORNE • Architects of Memory
K.J. PARKER • How to Rule an Empire and Get Away with It
GEORGE A. ROMERO & DANIEL KRAUS
ANTHONY RYAN • The Black Song
LAVIE TIDHAR • By Force Alone
F. PAUL WILSON • Other Sandboxes: Stories with Characters and Places Shared with Writers Living and Dead
JOHN BIRMINGHAM • The Shattered Skies
DEREK KÜNSKEN • The House of Styx

>discord
kys

>>16017006
GARDNER DOZOIS & MICHAEL SWANWICK • City Under the Stars
GEORGE A. ROMERO & DANIEL KRAUS • The Living Dead

Why do people read horror, /sffg/? What's so enjoyable about it?

I finished Blindsight 30' ago, and before going to bed, as I entered the kitchen to drink some h2o, I saw a shape move clumsily out of a dark corner and for a little over a second I felt my whole blood freeze until I realized it was just my dog. I'm going to sleep now and I haven't been able to stop thinking about all the scary things I've read and seen these last couple of days.
I'm a grown ass man and I'm scared of having a nightmare now. Why do people do this to themselves.

Literally every book I've read so far ends up pushingg left wing politics. Give me books that don't

>>16017490
I don't think I've ever read a single book that didn't push some form of left-wing ideology at some point, though I suppose the term "push" might be subjective. After a while you just get used to it

>>16017515
I guess reading isn't for me.

>>16017525
It's your call but I wouldn't give up; like I said you get used to it eventually. Your own opinions won't change, you just learn to accept that writers are a pretentious bunch who think they've figured it all out

>>16017490
What does a smooth-lobed brainlet like you think passes for left-wing politics? I've seen next to zero actual economic policies regarding state governing expressed in the vast majority of fantasy escapism.

>>16017743
>not exclusively reading science-fantasy-socialism just so you can bitch about it on an anonymous vietnamese coracle fishing forum

>>16017743
Name a single book that doesn't have left wing politics

>>16017490
can you give me some examples of these concepts or ideals that are being pushed? or the way they're being pushed? i want to avoid being preachy in my work whether it be left or right leaning concepts that are discussed

Reading The Psyche Diver Trilogy by Baku Yumemakura. Hope this weaboo shit is all it's cracked up to be, within the first few pages fingering a woman is described as "puncturing a boiled tomato". Erotic!

>>16017490
>Literally every book I've read so far ends up pushing left wing politics
This is hardly surprising with contemporary books, but I wonder if there's a point before which it doesn't happen or is much more modest? Maybe pre 2000s?

/sffg/ BTFO (again!)

ya'll tired of losing yet?

>>16017946
Usually anything that transcends pre-Enlightenment(or even pre-Renaissance) thinking is left-wing according to the drooling cucks that are trying to take over this general

>>16018089
It's just a mediocre period for SF in general. In comparison, Jemisin stands out as less mediocre, if only slightly so

>>16018105
I know, but so many have a hateboner for her it feels good to see them btfo

>>16018110
Hey man, if a writer triggers neo-fascist permavirgins more power to her. I won't ever read her again though.

What is the /lit/ opinion on the Black Company series by Glen Cook?

>>16018129
The standard for Grimdark and the only one that's not shit. Goes on for too long though.

>>16018139
It isn't over yet. There is still one more book to be published from Shukrat's POV.

I do think Cook realized that it had gone on for too long in Soldiers Live. Croaker is a bit of a self insert, though not true Mary Sue, and it is clear his is tired.

>>16018129
A perfect example of how to do grimdark without being edgy or constantly having to point it out.
It starts to go downhill in the later books when they get rediculously overpowered magic abilities.

Are there any books that capture the atmosphere of Pressfeild's The Afghan Campaign?

Thinking about writing a fantasy novel where the heroine is a prostitute

>>16018322
Nicholas Guild has a bunch is a historical novel is what you're looking for. The Assyrian and Blood Star are absolutely amazing.

>>16018322
There's a couple of Conan stories in which he's in Afghanistan.

Read the Xeelee Sequence.

>>16017336
It’s fun.

>>16018105
>>16018110
Haven't posted this in a while :)

E William Brown has forsaken us
Fuck E William Brown

>>16018541
Is this what you do in your head, make up imaginary enemies? You should take your pills son.

>>16018558
Just ignore him. After those last couple bans he got he calmed down, but it seems we have to teach him a lesson soon once again.

>>16018558
Dilate, buddy. Jemisin is beyond awful. I don't think she and her justicebots are out to get me but I will warn anyone about recent Hugo winners, and recent trends in scifi/fantasy in general, being terrible.
Also Hugo Tranny is a very old, very well known retard, newfag.

DO NOT read Sanderson

>>16018656
Why?

>>16018659
He's shit.

>>16018619
Only in your head.

>>16018711
Open the archives and lurk more

>>16017942
Latro in the Mist

>>16017942
Das Kapital by Marx

>>16018541
Dilate, tranny.

>if someone says things I don't like they are the hugo trannie

>>16017490
Don't read new shit and don't be a smooth brain.

Just about finished with Return of the Crimson Guard.
What are some other books with great magic power fantasy shit aside from Malazan? I've also read Second Apocalypse which was great.
WoT had enough of it as well, but there was also a lot of shit.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/34169/blood-queen-ssyba

Synopsis: Ssyba is a turbulent figure: ruled by hunger and animal fear, ancestor to a prehistoric specie of apex predators, in the present day disgraced to mere pets and curiosities but still very much swayed by an instinctual will. During a night chase she is poisoned, assaulted from the cover of darkness and left dying in the streets. As consciousness streams from the head wound, she is met with a destiny that she can't deny.

The setting presents an Earth burned and rendered sterile. Societies bundle together on the edge of planet-wide deserts. And under the tormenting photon-shower of the sun, a dour plot is struck in order to bring again an ancient dynasty.

>>16019342
>Ssyba
What's the linguistic justification for the initial "ss"?

>>16019389
To avoid writing it as Szyba maybe.

>>16019389
Might be a romanization of ß or a similar letter. I've used double R for sharp Rs, it's pretty convenient.

>>16017743
>governing only happens on an economic level
Ok retard

>>16018115
>everyone is a fascist now
>you're a fascist
>he's a fascist
>we're all fascists
Yes please, keep removing meaning from words

>discord trannies out at full strength today
sffg never deserved saving desu

Has modern fantasy a problem?

>>16019342
>she is poisoned
>she
Kys, you dumb tranny, couldn't you have a proper male mc instead of some smelly cunt?

Being a hugo tranny is more than a physical reality - it is a state of mind. One day you wake up with a craving for feminist negroid literature and you pick up Jemisin. Before you know it, you grow a vagina, buy a Hugo poster, and start shitting up already shitty fart & fuck general threads.
Suddenly /lit/ transforms into reddit and you realize it has always been reddit. And who is to blame, really? Society, I say. Society and the original hugo tranny. And you keep telling yourself, tomorrow, tomorrow it will get better, but it never does. And you speak: maybe John Crowley will save us yet...

>>16017006
MICHAEL G. MANNING • Disciple Of War

>>16019389
The S on her name is longer, more accentuated. It's not Syba, but Sssss-yba. The Y reads in this case as I from Incel, not I from I-phone. So you read her name as Ss-ee-bah.
Makes a point of her inhuman origin, even though, like most of her specie, she was born and is living among humans

>>16019623
What does a Male MC have over a female MC? Besides she is destined to become the blood-queen, to rule alongside a blood-king....or does she? Anyway her gender is justified for the story that I want to tell. I'm not demanding you like it.
But I am asking you at least give it a try. It's 3 chapters in and I post a chapter every couple of days. I posted on /tg/ and I've gotten fair praise.

Warning, I make use of purple prose. I write very flowery and ornate and that's a stylistic choice. Some of.you might not like it but it serves the more metaphysical parts of the story well.

>>16019582
Seethe more.

>>16019634
Started reading the first book of broken earth. It started awesome and the magic system was good, plus it was interesting to see how 1 single 'mage' could fuck up an entire world.
Then suddenly the MC is having a gangbang orgy with a handsome black Chad and an older equally Chad guy and that's where I dropped it.

Should I at least finish the trilogy or I'm good leaving at that?

>>16019738
>the magic system was good
I was typing an angry post about how you are a 40 IQ nigger until I reread the beginning and realized this was bait, 8/10

>>16019722
She is feminine (even if she is killer, mad etc). I don't want that, I want ingenuity that comes from male mc, it is what males do, it is what they are designed to do, explore the world, overcome odds, create things, even if it is hard true males do it and they enjoy doing it. Females might be just as capable but they simply do not want or care about those same things, they are supportive characters at best, and even then it is best not have them, because they change males and make them soft, it is best making male mc a complete outcast (for whatever reasons) and driven only by pure hatred and pure inner power with no interference from females.

>>16019804
have sex

>>16019733
Dilate, then 51% yourself

>>16019834
Why do you not want a strong (of will) male mc like that? Why do you and others like you just want masturbators and coombrains characters who will not even attempt a quest if there is no pussy around to literally make everything worse and screw things up?

>>16017743
>Thinks politics end at state policy
>Calls guy a brainlet

>>16018094

Apparently this guy is having major spine issues and he can't even write and book 2 was so long it got split up into 2 and 3 instead. Hope he gets better because this was a really solid book. Waiting for 5 years sucks

>>16019916
coperino

>>16019804
I completely understand where you're coming from. The Male brain vs the female brain, but this basically boils down to preference. Why write a white mc vs a black mc? Why this vs what? It's simple preference and you prefer the Male brain (explore the world, overcome odds, create things, even if it is hard true males do it and they enjoy doing it). Which is completely fine by me.
However to write a Male mc is to write a wholly different story altogether from what I'm currently writing, that's just something I'm not going to do right now.

I do have a story with a Male mc, set in the same universe of course, but I want to finish this one before I even attempt to edit and post that one.

>>16018089
>Black author
>"Skin" in the title

>>16020101
>>16020101
>Why write a white mc vs a black mc?
Why do you ask this?? are you a straight white male?

Sanderson is based and anyone who hates him is just jealous that the man can be successful with meh prose and meh characters.

>>16020093
>your attempts at offing yourself more often than not are just me coping
wtf I love coping now!

>>16020172
>straight white male
Cringe

>>16020172

>>16020172
Yeah

I want to read wolfe since people here said he was on the same level as vance and I liked vance quite a lot. Any recommendations on where to start?

>>16020338
Fifth Head of Cerberus (the collection, not the individual story). Be aware you need to read it carefully and try to put it together like a puzzle or the plot will not make sense to you (it's not explained clearly at any point). It should give you a good idea if you like that sort of writing.

Looking for books about the people left behind after a rapture, or mass alien abduction.

>>16020406
Will do, thanks.

>>16020406
>Be aware you need to ... try to put it together like a puzzle or the plot will not make sense to you
Shit take ngl. Gives credence to the detractors who think Wolfe is a cold writer only interested in writing puzzles and not compelling fiction.

>>16020512
There's more to the book than that, but simply understanding the basic plot requires treating it like a puzzle and reading closely. I've tried talking about the book several times online and most people didn't understand what even happened lol.

>>16020522
By the way I'm not complaining about reading closely -- that's a good thing. But there's a difference between having to do that to understand the surface level and having to do that to dig deeper, if you follow me.

>>16018089
Huh? Losing what?

>>16020338
Fifth Head of Cerberus or Book of the New Sun

Any good plane stories? I want to evoke a similar feeling to playing ace combat.

>>16020080
thats too bad, reading the blurb about it, it's exactly the call to action story i've been looking for. maybe i will just read one and forget about it

>>16017490
Anything published by Baen.

Anyone read Nexus by Ramez Naam?

>>16021825
1 rated it as 2 stars. A couple others marked it as to-read. I have it as to-read, but it's rather low priority so I may never get around to it, and if I do I may not like it. Doesn't seem to be much about it in the archives.

Do you guys think that fantasy and science fiction is close to hitting it's potential of ideas, or is it becoming maximized?

>>16021953
Hmm. Tbh I’ve been reading hardcore non fiction for a while and need some fiction reading. I’ll give it a shot though and update sffg on it

How do we feel about historical fiction here?

You have 15 seconds.
What new releases are you reading in August and beyond for 2020.
No funny business. Answer me or I swear on space jesus that I will fudge somebody up.

>>16022104
Same way we felt when you asked last thread. Different threads don't mean different feelings.

>>16018089
>implying these awards are given for talent rather than the race and gender of the author and how "political" or "progressive" the content is

>>16018115
yes, we are all fascists here. Literal nazis marching through /lit/ on our way to kill minorities.

The absolute state of SFF. This is what happens when you don't gatekeep your niche
https://www.pretty-terrible.com/george-r-r-martin-2020-hugo-awards/
thank god I only read works published before 2010 anymore, that backlog will last me 3 lifetimes anyway. no need for new stuff.

>>16022207
>https://www.pretty-terrible.com/george-r-r-martin-2020-hugo-awards/
John W. Campbell, noted fascist and racist.

For a second there, I thought she wrote Joseph Campbell and got really mad

>>16020494
Childhood's End the 'demons' can't ascend
Marooned in Realtime by Vinge

>>16020997
The Hugo poster is mentally deranged, don't worry about it.

>>16022104
We're reading historical fiction in discord (The Winter King - 500s Britain). It's alright.

>>16022114
Harrow the Ninth (sequel to Gideon the Ninth)

>>16017490
my book desu

>>16022104
it can be pretty based

>>16017490
Limit your search engine queries to before 2012 roundabouts. When looking for recommendations, all mainstream media is biased beyond that point.

Why can't I get a thicc asian gf to mating press?
When will society collapse? What's going on in the world can't last forever. I just want a thicc qt asian gf that I can love before the world imploded upon itself.

>>16022201
That's what you guys plan in pol though. I heard of many raids that were accomplished because the idiots bragged about it on pol beforehand.

>>16022207
What did I just read? I'm genuinely a bit confused as to what their(?) problem is, other than some form of hysteria

>>16022207
>https://www.pretty-terrible.com/george-r-r-martin-2020-hugo-awards/
>we are living in a golden age of science fiction and fantasy
They are delusional.
>I’m humbled to be a part of this gloriously diverse community
And here is the reason they think this way. It's the golden age because the "community is diverse". Who gives a crap about actual books and their quality.

>>16022346
OLD BAD, NEW AND DIVERSE GOOD. REEEEEE GET OUT THIS IS OUR GENRE NOW
But you're right. at this point it's pure insanity and hysteria. also the seethe of a thousand suns at Georgies success (yes GRR is a faggot, but he's our faggot). These people terrify me, because they're successful at what they do.

>come back
>still getting mad at random blogs
at least pick something new to do

>>16022344
I don't even visit pol. Just lit, out and tv.
But for you everyone with slightly conservative ideas and views is a fascist.
All people like you do is divide the society and take all meaning out of the words "fascist" and "nazi". By the way, my grandpa fought the nazis, commanded a machine gun crew, got awarded some prestigious medals and, unfortunately, lost his leg in the war. He fought to defend his country. But if we look at him and his world view through the eyes of a modern "progressive liberal" he was also a "fascist" and a "literal nazi"

Are there any high fantasy books in the style of "The Road"?

Think I'm gonna read the Count of Monte Cristo again since so much fantasy is derived from it
Got to the bit where he's in rome and it was all a bit unfocused after the start

Are any of Harlan Ellison's books good? I read the summary of one and it seemed to be a bit dark, but I'm open minded.

>>16022553
yeah just pick anything and go

>>16022450
I thought you said you coming back Monday. This would have flushed itself out by then.

>>16022405
Typical coddled subhuman lashing out because he's not special anymore.

>>16022600
>subhuman
how racist

>>16022456
Wrong anon you got, anon. I never called anyone a fascist or nazi. I just call out pol fags when I see them. I just explained that this >>16022201 comment while you're making joke of it, does happen. There are pollies that are looking to kill minorities, and some that tried, but the party wagon caught them.

>>16022647
Go back to chapotraphouse if you want to whine about this shit in every post. You are quite possibly the whiniest little bitch on the entire site.

is a 4'10 man getting multiple attractive women based on his intellect and personality believable in a story? how great would th author have to make him?

>>16022647
Not everything is about /pol/ or politics. This is a literature board.

>>16022680
Believe it or not (because the fact you're asking this suggests your either American or very young), bald and short people can be very romantically successful.

>>16022680
That happens irl dude. Watch youtube vids or something to see how awesome they need to be.

Anybody read anything by Greg Egan? Just finished Permutation City and liked it quite a bit. I still don't understand the whole PCV Universe thing, But I liked the idea of the copies finding themselves in the Dust.
Which should I follow this one with.

>>16022325
just watch Maguro JAVs

>>16022692
>Not everything is about /pol/ or politics
Tell that to the pollies that come in here and use buzzwords to push their agenda.

>>16022677
>Go back to chapotraphouse
Don't know what the fuck that is.

>if you want to whine about this shit in every post.
I posted on the pol invading scum twice in this thread of 120 posts (this is my third post). The only reason you would be mad someone is shitting on pol is because you're one of those pol shits that derail the general. You're probably the same faggot from 2 threads ago. Kys you piece of shit.

>>16021691
I'm not sure they exist, you might be better off just watching macross or something like that

>>16019588
too many female authors

>>16022764
Diaspora for sure, it's something of a spiritual sequel.

Any fantasy book where the protagonist would unironically agree with this song? https://youtu.be/v0sdR-UdYzg

Rreeeeeeeee i have to wait till August 18 for my book to be released

>>16022764
The only other book I've read by him is Schild's Ladder, which I wouldn't recommend. But someone else here did recommend it so if you liked Permutation CIty maybe give it a shot

>>16022764
I'm curious but it seems like he writes dry artless books full of real science mostly enjoyable by STEMfags.

>>16022794
Have you ever considered the idea that maybe people just don't want to talk about /pol/

Who doesn't care for the new Dresden Files coming in September?

My coworker told me he reads a lot. Only fantasy though. He recommended me the following books, his top 3

>Kingkiller chronicles
>Night angle trilogy
>The black prism series

How good are these and are they worth reading?

>tfw i enjoy both leftist and right leaning scifi

>>16022853
That's why it's called hard scifi. Anyone you see asking for hard scifi is an autistic STEMfag

>>16019804
Damn for being such a superior and enlightened creature free of female influence you sure have women living in your head rent free.

>>16022855
Then help us. When they start their shit about female authors, genders, racebaiting, posting twatter screenshots, etc, report them. This is the only thread on /lit/ to discuss sff books, and I'm getting fed up of those shits derailing the general.
I wanna talk about magic and futuristic technologies, traveling the stars and regrowing limbs, augmenting your body, using your wits and limited magic to accomplish miracles. I am fed up of the constant attacks weakening the general. They spend hours reading the author instead of their works.

>>16022857
me
i lost interest in the series after Ghost Story

>>16022875
>right leaning scifi

What? That exists?

>>16019804
Who hurt you anon? How did they turn you so gay? Did she divorce you and take the kids (along with half your money and three quarters of your monthly paycheck)?

>>16022873
>unfinished modern fantasy series
>Modern fantasy
>Modern epic bloated fantasy
pick your poison

>>16022947
Anon, unlike the narrative they like to spew, there isn't just a certain side being represented. There are books by both sides. It's just that corporations are pushing a certain side, like back in the day the other side was pushed.
It's just a pendulum. There will be a time that things will be equal before the pendulum swings far to the other side.

>>16022973
It seems that the tight pussy was too much for you.

>>16022937
NO fuck you, you don't get to dictate what is the right and acceptable dialogue you fucking censorious cunt. If I want to tell how shit Irish writers are in general will do so, If you need to mention an author is a gender and how good it is that they are that specific gender have all the right to shit on them on the same basis YOUR SIDE was the one who once again brought politics with your buzzwords here you fucking piece of shit.
>>16018115
You don't get to tell others are deteriorating the general if every time someone doesn't agree with your worship of minorities they are fucking nazis.
YOU bring on politics and keep on shitting the thread and then complain when people call you out on it.STOP FUCKING POSTING FUCK OFF WITH YOUR CULTURE WAR BULLSHIT ALREADY I'M TIRED OF IT. I DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT MUH NAZIS.
And I feel like I need to mention this because your shitty ideology works on a victim hood status I'm a mixed south american guy, I'm not white and I'm not american so shut your shitty mouth your privileged scum.

>>16022947
ye

>>16022207
All popular modern politics are about aggrievances.

>>16022405
And not a single book glorified by its “diversity” will ever be remembered in the future

>>16022990
You're just a pol cunt larping. filtered

>>16023068
seething

Recommend me some good empire/city/faction building novels. I read Fimbulwinter and its sequels, and while it had many issues I liked the idea of MC building his own island fortress and growing the power of his faction.

>>16017490
Azyl Academy

Space elves will land and rape earth.

>>16023120
You mean magical engineering books, right?

>>16023120
There ain’t many of em, none of them good

>>16022344
The most reddit post I've read today.

>>16023120
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/92192.Empire_building_conquering_ruling

>>16023154
Well coming from reddit, you would know how they speak over there.

>>16023145
Not necessarily, while I did like his weapons, I'm mainly about building an empire/city/faction, not building new magical devices.
But feel free to recommend me some magical engineering books.

>>16023159
Most of them are utter shit (just from reviews and skimming through a few pages), hence my question.

>>16023181
It's just a 4chins slur, newfriend.

>>16023156
>none of them good
Fuck this gay world.

>>16023189
I liked Kings dark tidings and dark lords handbook

>>16023203
>backtracking when caught out
>i-its just a slur, I never went to rebbit
>you're a newfag, you wouldn't know that rebbitors like to larp in 4chin

>>16023189
Now you know how I felt when I finished Daniel Black and couldn't find magical engineering books.

>>16023229
I'm sure you think your post makes sense, but I'm not seeing your point. It's not larping as reddit, it's just part of the local lingo to use 'reddit' as a derogatory term (especially if someone sounds like SJW/clueless moron scared of the evil hacker known as anonymous).

>>16023240
It hurt to look him up and see that the only other thing he has written is some YA about a young girl.

>>16023265
The space loli marine was OKAY. It has magical (science) engineering, if you want.

>>16022973
What is modern fantasy? It's it bad or good?

Started reading Magician by Feist. I'm liking it but it's a little generic at points. Very comfy though.

>>16023258
Im not scared of the "hackers known as anonymous", most of them are trannies from g with anime girl display pics. I will be getting some backpussy from them, that is all.

>>16023288
I mean if you get reductive enough everything is either 'generic' or 'tries too hard to be different for no real reason'.

>>16023299
>backpussy
?
Heard about the boypussy, mouthpussy, even nipplepussy, but never about backpussy.

>>16023303
>>16023303
>>16023303

Still better than Shanara though. That's peak genericness

>>16023312
>zoomers in this thread haven't watched Borat

>>16019738
>Then suddenly the MC is having a gangbang orgy with a handsome black Chad and an older equally Chad guy
Is this what SJWs give awards to while bemoaning sexism of male authors daring to write about harems in wish-fulfillment pornfics?

Just finished Words of Radiance. I detested it. It's probably the longest book I've got through and given a negative rating for, but since the only decent part of Way of Kings was the ending I was hoping it would redeem itself. General thoughts:
>Shallan went from annoying to insufferable and a bit of a mary sue, and her dialogue was painstaking to read
>Kaladin overcame his one flaw (because of some bullshit inconsistent epiphany) thus ruining my interest in the character
>every character who died during the book actually survived somehow in the end
>all the underlying mystery and conspiracy was totally disappointing
>every major plot point was 100% predictable from a mile off (there was literally 0 tension about whether Shallan would find the portal and save the army at the end)
>all the good characters are basically jedi now lol ;)
>the prose, word inefficiency, and general paragraph layout was some of the worst I've ever read

These two books were my first taste of Sanderson, who I felt I had to try for myself rather than just listen to /sffg/'s rantings. Turns out /sffg/ was right.

>>16023334
I don't really watch movies. Just checked out the trailer out of curiosity and it seems really juvenile. I don't get how you could feel elitist over something like that.
inb4
>but you read sff
Well I'm not getting elitist about it.

>>16019804
Good post, best in the thread in fact.
The replies stink of newfaggotry,

>>16022104
I have nothing against it, but westerners writing about Asia are invariably cringe, so I would never bother with this particular novel.

>>16022985
What was up with that shit. Was she really so tight or was the MC so humongous?

>>16023074
Not the guy that spazzed out on you, but based on your posts, I have to agree with him and kindly suggest that you do what 50% of your tranny brothers and sisters do and commit unlife. Who knows? Maybe you'll be born again in a secret nebula out in space that humans could never imagine is even there and you can shit up the inhabitants' days over there for a while before they ask you to do the same.
Ciao~

>>16023372
hey
we get it
it's just that there's very little new that's coming out that isn't also overwritten or thoroughly pozzed
i'll take the mediocre consistent author over dilettante fucks with boundless contempt for their readers

>>16024180
I havent actually exhausted every good book ever written so something bad being "new" holds a lot less appeal for me.

>>16024194
fair enough
i'm at the stage where i'm literally rereading old good books to bide the time
sanderson is tacky but it's variety and it passes the time

>>16024210
Well I have completionist autism and some of his ideas are cool so in time I'll probably forget how bad his style and prose are and read the third book anyway. He probably needs a new editor, not enough has actually happened to warrant 800k words.

>>16022764
Axiomatic is next.

When are they going to start feel embarrassed about giving awards to the same person year after year?

>>16024681
They won't feel embarrassment, because they won. Now there's only the slow fall into irrelevance, which was the point all along: subvert and destroy.

>>16017942
Mien Kamf

>>16022346
>GRRM could not pronounce exotic names correctly
>made some joke about Oscar having no peepee
Just another old big-name in SF/F is being dragged out to be sacrificed by right-thinkers.
Unlike John W. Campbell's cancelling last year, I'm not sympathetic to George's plight, not in the slightest. This is the bed of shit this senile old bag of Doritos made and now he must writhe in it.
You can chart a clear course of consequences from the Sad Puppies drama where he smugly derided any objectors to ideological purification as racist. Now the same mob comes to collect his head.
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>>16022456
Real talk. Are there any recent SF/F works that aren't thoroughly cucked?
>>16022344
fuck off and die, hugo tranny

i really liked Ender's game but i'm 90% sure the series has already peaked. Is it worth reading the others in the series?

>>16022937
>When they start their shit about female authors, genders, racebaiting, posting twatter screenshots, etc, report them.
>This is the only thread on /lit/ to discuss sff books, and I'm getting fed up of those shits derailing the general.
>I wanna talk about magic and futuristic technologies, traveling the stars and regrowing limbs, augmenting your body, using your wits and limited magic to accomplish miracles.
>I am fed up of the constant attacks weakening the general.
You are quite dumb, you want to talk about comfy sci fi and fantasy things but you will not acknowledge the progressive sjw authors that have been shitting up sff with identity politics, cuckolding, niggers, degenerative behaviour and mentally ill people for years now. None of their sff books are fun in any way yet it is the nazis and pol who are at fault here. What an ignorant scum you are, pol and nazis (who visit /lit/) just want comfy sci fi and fantasy just like you, you damn retard.

>>16023380
you should watch borat

>>16024843
>None of their sff books are fun in any way yet it is the nazis and pol who are at fault here.
Clearly. If the nazis and pol got the hint and an heroed en-masse, they would not need to pad their books from cover to cover with thinly disguised "orange man bad" commentary.
>pol and nazis (who visit /lit/) just want comfy sci fi and fantasy just like you
Yes. It's astonishing how so many of these retards fail to grasp this. We're angry because new comfy SFF no longer exists.

>>16024872
>If the nazis and pol got the hint and an heroed en-masse
I'd love to see this and more. Imagine if all white people died one day of some unspecified reason, all the straight white devil oppressors, (women can live) and then all niggers and western way of life instantly regressing back to tribal africa. First thing the nigs would blame the remaining whites, the women for no more gibs, once the women are gone who they would blame next I wonder.

>>16024718
No.

Is this general becoming a /pol/-lite whingefest?

>>16024943
Such shall be the fate of the site entire in time.

Redpill me on RA Salvatore

Why isn't he mentioned here more?

>>16024943
The Hugos were announced. Some of us are old enough to remember the Sad Puppies situation. Even fewer of us are old enough to remember a time when sci-fi and fantasy wasn't an endless parade of whitoids kissing minority feet and minorities being smug, entitled cunts.
You should seriously contemplate suicide and/or castration.

>>16024966
Because Salvatore is to SF/F what SF/F is to the rest of literature.

>>16024943
Fuck off.

>>16024968
What if, instead of whining about that shit here, you discussed sci-fi that was good without considering the race/gender of its authors or the 'political' message of the book if any. This way you stop shitting up the board and pissing every one off, and you remove attention from the people that have made a mockery of sci-fi book awards.

>>16025019
See >>16025014

>>16025019
Why can't I do both?
Let's talk first about an actual alright series I finished a few days ago. It's called The Dagger and the Coin.
>medieval fantasy setting
>seven different races that are hinted to have been gene-engineered by a long-departed elder race
>very solid plot and backstory
>pretty crisply written, unlike other works by this author (The Expanse, LPQ)
Now let's talk about the Hugo fuckery and how a series like this would be derided for having problematic depictions of masculinity and being race-essentialist.

Ever wonder why there are certain people that get angry at you (and tell you to go back to /pol/) if you try to discuss or criticize something that's clearly related to the thread but has been infected with leftism? It's because they themselves support it and they don't want you to speak freely about it. They want to shield it from criticism. A good example is this: >>16025019. He isn't trying to take attention away from it, as he claims; he wants you to shut up about it so it can continue unimpeded.

>>16025054
No I just don't want to see it here. Go make another thread about it, just stop littering this general with that shit. Make another thread on /lit/, make another thread on /pol/, just stop shitting up this general. I don't care if its leftists and their hugo awards, I don't care if its leftists or alt-rights burning books or whatever. Discuss that in another thread.

>>16025069
No, I'll discuss it here. My interpretation of your motives is correct. In this post >>16025019 you ask us to not consider the politicla message of a book, even if there is one. Why would that be? It's because this is pretty much the only place now where people can criticize it from a non-left perspective, and you don't want that to happen. Go fuck yourself, buddy. I'll talk about whatever sci-fi and fantasy related shit I want to.

>>16018198
come on, it's good but it does get a bit cringy at times

>>16025044
>Now let's talk about the Hugo fuckery and how a series like this would be derided for having problematic depictions of masculinity and being race-essentialist.
Why would we discuss stuff we don't care about? Do you hate post often?

>>16024958
I don't even know why I post here anymore. Some fags are crying about Teddy "Throw acid in women's face" Beale and his attempt to stuff the Hugo ballots only for everyone to turn against him and actual winners of the prize to refuse the award.

What a sad pathetic place this is shaping up to be

Imagine if people actually posted about what they enjoy rather than almost only what they hate. What a difference that alone would make.

>>16022104
I love El Capitan Alatriste novels, but idk if they are translated

>>16025108
They make shit up in their heads and then complain about said shit on an Albanian Shoe Throwing Forum. It's pathologic.

>>16025118
It's only to be expected. 4chan has always been the mainstream mainstay of contrarians and outcasts for a long time. It's just that who these people were actually has changed over time.

>>16025019
>you discussed sci-fi that was good >without considering the 'political' message of the book if any
Is this bait?

This is impossible. If a book, a story of fiction, a novel has a political message then it cannot be excluded from the duscussion because it is an integral part of the story.

>>16023446
What about Clavell?

>>16025121
I've only seen the film, worth reading if they've been translated?

>>16025118
Maybe stop being a tranny who only cares about sjw trash.

>>16025143
All books are political, you're a fucking moron.

>>16025149
Please consider stop caring yourself as well.

>>16025144
definitely, at least the first book. if the setting and style is not for you, don't bother with the rest of the series. don't go in expecting high literature but I think you'll like it

>>16025118
m8 did you consider stop talking in the thread about drama shit if you don't like seeing drama being talked about in the thread

>>16025119
>imagine a world without 4chan

>>16025173
Are they better than the 3 Musketeers or Ivanhoe for example?

>>16025152
In that case political messages can never be ignored when discussing a book, in fact a discussion cannot even commence without it.

Imagine if the next megahit fantasy novel has a tranny mc with a gay black sidekick.
Imagine how mad /sffg/ would be. I would laugh so hard.

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>>16025163
It is a bit hard when it is constantly being shoved in my face

>>16025181
I would say it's on par with 3 musketeers, but I might be biased because I'm from spain so i like Alatriste's setting a lot. I remember liking a lot ivanhoe but it's been so long that I don't remember much about it desu so I won't compare it.

but it's a great adventure book man, you really can't miss with it, it's very entertaining and quick to get through. the movie captures the setting and spirit of the book pretty well, since you've seen it. but there's not so much focus on boring relationships stuff in the book, that's what made the film kinda boring and too long for me

>>16022207
Even excluding technical issues they had, the Hugos was a shitshow this year. It was hours of GRRM rambling about the history of the award with interruptions by people giving lectures on racism and sexism. The contrast between GRRM's respect for the Hugos and those who came before him and the clear disdain and ungratefulness many of the winners had for them gave me whiplash.

>>16025220
You are not a victim. You are not being persecuted. You are not being oppressed. Do not act like you are.

>>16025207
Cringe

>>16025230
I am not or I may be, it is quite irrelevant. If sjw trannys insist on preaching their sjw nonsense then I will insist on preaching views that oppose that nonsense.

>>16025276
Existing for the sake of opposition sounds rather boring to me.

>>16025287
It's opposition to delusion and mental illness.

>>16025295
I'm glad you've found meaning in doing so.

Looking to write but lacking in a novel idea. What is an interesting fantasy niche that has recently been underexplored that you'd like to see more of?

>>16025302
Indeed, there's meaning in accepting biological reality.

>>16025305
Anti-tranny fantasy.

>>16025309
Have you accepted your biological reality?

>>16018360
Do it, seems like a great way to write a bunch of short stories with the character until you find a plot line that sticks.

>>16017490
Literally all wuxia/ xanxia rape murder is elite.

>>16025313
Oh, let me guess. This is where you call me a virgin or something. Try a new shtick please.

>>16025187
>sidekick

I think you mean love interest

>>16025313
No matter how hard you try, you'll never be a real woman.

>>16025317
You're the one who was thinking that. I meant that knowing that one day you will die.

>>16025321
No matter how hard you try, you'll never be a real man.

>>16025287
When did I say that I exist solely for the sake of opposition? If that was the case, I would not be posting on 4chan but would go all out and kill as many nigs and trannys as humanly possible until pigs arrive and shoot me.
I and many others like me have better things to do that waste life on trannys like you.

>>16025330
Your time is your life though.

>>16025327
Yes, I'm quite glad that one day I will die.

>>16025334
If you're so glad about it, then why hasn't it happened yet? That seems hypocritical.

>>16025336
I have responsibilities to take care of in the meantime, I'm afraid.

>>16025339
A man has no responsibility but to himself.

>>16025343
This is the atomized, deracinated "mind" that gives birth to such things as transgenderism. Such a shame.

Just did a quick count and out of the 30 or so posts only 5 were related to literature.
Time to go back to outer lit until this whole retarded shit that nobody truly cares about (not even the 2 or 3 retards discussing it) dies down.

>>16025352
My apologies to the racemind, which is the evolved form of the hivemind.

>>16025358
Much like COVID it's here to stay with us from now on.

>>16025363
We could always force the spergs to stay 1.5 boards away from us

>>16018360
>Thinking about writing a fantasy novel where the heroine is a prostitute

JK Haru is a Sex Worker in Another World
JKハルは異世界で娼婦になった
Tags: isekai, fantasy, joshikousei, dark humor, satire, sex work, prostitute, feminism, rpg, otaku, explicit, completed, fully translated, available in print
hashtag: #jkharu
Author: Ko Hiratori
Illustrator: shimano
Translator: Emily Balistrieri
Editor: Aimee Zink


*record scratch*
*freeze frame on Haru Koyama getting choked by a horny naked dude*
Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation. Not by choice, I can tell you that!

It started when my weirdo classmate, Chiba, tried to save me from a runaway truck and got us both killed instead. Idiot. Then we got transported to another world, which I guess is like an otaku dream come true, or something? Chiba ends up with cheat abilities, and what do I get? Nothing! Lucky me, I get to be a sex worker instead.

Gotta earn money somehow — but since I have to do it, I'm gonna kick ass at it. This world treats women even worse than the one we came from, so things get...rough. Still, I've made friends with some of the girls, and if I can juggle Chiba's idiocy and Sumo the virgin's emotions on top of all the various kinks my customers throw at me, things will be all right...won't they?

>>16025358
>Just did a quick count and out of the 300 or so new books only 5 were non sjw tranny nigger tier trash. Time to go back to the classics until this whole retarded shit that nobody truly cares about dies down

>>16025372
Multiple people in /sffg/ have read this.

>>16025372
>female mc
>strong waman
just kill yourself

>>16025387
>wanting to read a book about a male prostitute

Good on you anon, don't let the bigots get you down

Since this is a creative board, who here has written sci fi stories? What do you think of them?

>>16022873
You know the list is beyond terrible if cucklord chronicles is by far the best book on the list

>>16022937
Then stop posting woke, black, contemporary feminist female authors on here if that is a response you are getting. Like a year ago I was still very open to having rigorous discussions about why I think all of them (that I have read) are awful as writers and politically stupid but you faggots just keept derailing it to "REEEEEE /POL/TARD", and I, a far-progressive communist, was very confused. Not one anon has written a single constructive post about why say Kameron Hurley or Jemisin aren't subhuman monkeys, which was my impression from their books.

>>16022990
Based

>>16025393
Your reasoning is that of a degenerate. There is no hope for you.

>>16025329
Biology begs to differ.
>OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

>>16025372
>mfw truck-kun is not merely a meme
Extraordinarily based, man.

>>16025432
It's a meme BECAUSE it happens so often.

>>16023120
You could try The Inverted World

>>16025436
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>>16025372
>asian drivers so bad it influenced an entire generations worth of literature

>>16025287
>Existing for the sake of opposition sounds rather boring to me.
yes, we know. you people want us to just roll over and take it. however your victories will never be complete because some of us will NEVER cease to criticize stuff like that. You don't get to infest and ultimately control all my favorite pastimes with me just accepting it and applauding you for it.

>>16025549
It's funny how you call yourself a defeated loser.

>>16025563
I am not laughing. For the moment you've won the mainstream, while I stick to reading the great olds who are highly problematic in current year. Enjoy your yearly Jemisin pamphlet which again won an award. Truly the greatest SFF writer of all time and totally deserved by merit alone.

>>16025588
>m*rit
Whitey detected, soon you will be no more, whitey.

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>>16025448
Its a great book but it has literally no similarities to fimbulwinter

>>16025588
based

I used to enjoy this general once.

>>16025868
Me too. But then trannies and woke culture happened. Leftards have invaded this board and this general and continue assaulting and harrasing decent people, spreasing their sjw toxicity.

>sanderson asks for $250,000 to release a leatherbound edition of twok
>fans give him $6,000,000 instead
how does /sffg/ cope with this?

>>16025915
Sjw pls go

>>16025915
No man, you are the problem

>>16025928
>6,000,000
I don't believe it. I don't believe it even happened, probably just a clever pr and marketing from a publisher.

>>16025868
4chan as a whole has suffered immensely from the politicization of everything. But I don't know what can be done about it. The left tries to take over everything that isn't under its control, so if you don't fight back, there's nothing left in the end.

>>16025950
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dragonsteel/the-way-of-kings-10th-anniversary-leatherbound-edition
>We just hit $6 million! Huzzah! Thank you all for your support.

>>16025119
Your crying is ever more annoying than his outrage, to be honest. Just let it go, man.

>>16025951
Actually, I'll make it a bit more abstract. The issue isn't specifically the left (though they started it), but something that used to be derided here a long time ago: moralfags. That's what woke culture is, primarily, a moral crusade. People who don't want the site turned into a reddit censorship pit end up responding in the wrong way by taking the opposite moral stance and larping as traditionalists or something. You end up with two moralfag groups fighting each other and it ruins everything.

>>16025961
disgusting, it's like EA starting a kickstarter for a new Battlefield. He's not exactly a struggling indie writer

>>16025950

nah, he is just a good fantasy writer

>>16019272
Does this series get better after GotM?

>>16025961
What will the fans get for their 6 million?

I've just finished reading this, and it was great.

dont read this. if anyone recomends this to you tell them to take a hike. author has this storyline/plot line going for a while over multiple books, then someone halfway through decides he dosent like it and cans it. the worst part is, there were chapters from a certain characters point of view, who never existed, while at the same time he never interacted with anyone else, so those chapters never would have happened.

what a fucking let down of a waste of time of i want my money back

>>16026428
A holocaust, hopefully

>>16026539
I read the first book, and my general impression was that it was a soulless attempt to cash in on the Sanderson/Rothfuss craze.

E William Brown never putting out again.

>>16026627
i see you shitting on this guy in every thread, but does anyone even know who william brown is?

Dear /sffg/, I just read Axis, book 2 in the Spin Saga by Robert Charles Wilson.
It was fine. Good sci-fi concepts and good drama, but nothing too special.

>>16026627
i just looked him up. an author who publishes through amazon. do you really think anyone else here has read your indy shit? no one gives a fuck about so retard that cant even get a book published

>>16022207
Pretty funny, especially imagining this face crying while writing it.

>"GRAPHIC AUDIO. A MOVIE IN YOUR MIND"

Too bad it doesn't make Way of Kings any good.
None of the 'actors' (apart from the ones that play Kaladin and Dalinar) feel like they want to read at all.
Christ, hearing people say 'Storm it' sounds 10x as forced compared to reading it.

Thanks to that anon that recommended the audiobook, I hate it.

>>16026539
It was alright for the first three books. Last two took a nosedive into shit.

Andross is also an amusing character, prove me wrong.

>>16026847
>audio book
you have no one to blame but yourself. you are literally cucking yourself if you listen to audiobooks

>>16026928
I've never understood this argument.
What makes it weird is that you're outing yourself as a coomer for some reason.

>>16026928
That's why you double dip by doing both.

>>16019804
How can one man be so based?

>>16026928
Not him, but there are plenty of books I'm curious about but aren't interesting enough to devote my full concentration to reading them. Listening to the audiobook while I drive or do some other task that only occupies part of my brain is the perfect solution in those cases.

>>16027057
It's such a sadness that people think they've experienced a book through their fucking phone.

>>16027072
I bet you read books. You're just as bad.
Don't say you read unless it's a scroll, goyim.

is malice faithful and the fallen worth getting into?

>>16025420
have you read the kingkiller chronicles? Thing is I want to make friends at work and I figure if I read something he recommended we might bond a bit more. I also don't want to read trash. What is the best book on that list? These are his top 3, with 4 being ASOIAF which I'd read years ago.

>>16027356
read kingkiller. if you read the black prism you will actively hate him

>>16022114
Black song Anthony Ryan

>>16027356
I don't see why you would ever want to befriend him unless he's your superior and you are hoping for something practical.

I read Kingkiller back then book 2 first came out I thought it was OK. I was 14 or 15, I can't remember. I tried reading snippets of it now and I hated it, and I also hated my past self.

Brent Weeks on the other hand, I am convinced even an intelligent 10 year old would deem beneath him. Him and Jemisin are by far the worst writers I have read in my life. Genuinely insane how people like that garbage.

>>16027408
>why would you want to have friends at a place you have to spend 40 hours a week
i can tell already you are the guy that obviously dosent shower or wash his clothes, but dosent care because you dont want friends

>>16027408
>I don't see why you would ever want to befriend him

it's pleasant to have friends, m8

>>16027425
I am not a wagie, so I can't relate. No need to get mad, buddy.

>>16027430
It is perfectly possible to make friends that are not mentally deficient though. I made some of my best friends in uni literature clubs (the literary variety) for example

>>16026662
>>16026634
I also read Fimbulwinter (and kinda liked it, it's ok as long as you are prepared for a bit too much porn), another anon commented on it too (or was it the spammer?). But yeah, he's not one of the most popular writers.

Reminder Jon kills Drogon after Daenerys wargs into Drogon and Sam is killed by Arya

i miss him

>>16026316
Yes, pretty much everyone agrees you might as well skip Gardens if it feels like a slog.
Even Erikson admits that its a bit of a mess and its fine to start with Deadhouse Gates. It doesn't pick off from where Gardens left off, so you won't be missing out on much and even if you don't intend to continue with Malazan then everything to do with The Chain of Dogs and Coltaine is pretty fucking good.

Take anything I say at face value though. I liked Gardens from the get-go.

>>16018417
>The Assyrian and Blood Star are absolutely amazing
My heavily pigmented person! First time I have ever seen those books mentioned anywhere. I love those books.

i started to read 11.22.63 from Stephen King. not bad, but thinking about dropping it because i don't care about the lore of his other books that he's hinting at

My favorite sci-fi and fantasy writers are Watts, Morgan, Erikson, Esslemont and Bakker
Simmons gets an honorable mention, but only because I really liked Drood and The Terror.
How wrong is my opinion?

>>16023481
Medical condition

i really liked the card system/game from prism, wanted more of that

>>16027947
I don’t like esselmont but the rest is a solid list.

>>16027947
Never read any of them and never will.

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