/lit/ - Literature

I'm rusty, but...

The poet tells the story of Aeneas. Aeneas with his wife Creusa and family lives in Asia; Troy is the native land of Aeneas. Hecuba is the queen of Troy; the wife of Aeneas is the sister of Hecuba the queen. Aeneas loves Creusa and Creusa loves Aeneas. Aeneas and Creusa also love Troy; they praise life in their native country. They also praise the land of the Trojan province.

I think that ought to be acceptable; the only sticky point was "Aeneas et Creusa et Troiam amant", which I translated as I did because (1) amant is in the plural and (2) Creusa is in the nominative. Thus "Aeneas and Creusa love" not Aeneas loves both Creusa and Troy".

That's not Latin literature, that's from some high school text. Nice ruse to get us to do your homework for you. If you're having trouble with Latin that simple you're going to be in for a world of hurt when you're reading real authors so you might want to start doing your homework now if you have any interest in learning the language whatsoever.

Classics major here, just got through the Pro Archia and now we're reading the Rhetorica ad Herennium. I'm half-assedly working through Ovid's Metamorphoses in my spare time for pleasure, about 50 lines a week nothing remotely serious.

Hóti mèn humeîs, ô ándres Athēnaîoi, pepónthate hupò tôn emôn katēgórōn, ouk oîda: egṑ d' oûn kaì autòs hup' autōn olígou emautoû epelathómēn, hoútō pithanôs élegon. Kaítoi alēthés ge hōs épos eipeîn oudèn eirḗkasin.

>>1600259
This is also true. I need to get back to reading Latin, just not enough time really given how much my skills has atrophied.

>>1600259
This is amazing, you took the words right out of your mouth.

Since you're a Classics Major, can I ask you some questions?

1) Where are you right now?
2) I've held two offices in my local JCL chapter, President-Elect of next year, all As all the time in Latin, taking IV AP this year, received always gold/perfect on NLE, always swept academics at JCL State Convention. I'm also learning Ancient Greek on the side and have taken Logic (will take Philosophy), Eng. III AP (will take IV), along with Calc AB AP (will take BC).
What do you say are my chances of getting into Princeton's Classical Program?
3) What do you see yourself doing later on in life?
4) Would you recommend I stick with becoming a Classics major? I'm intensenly in love with the subject and have read several works on my own not assigned in class.

>>1600285
lol @ you if you take JCL stuff seriously, like, at all. Man that stuff was fun though, going to convention was always a blast and certamen was chill.

>>1600261
>latin characters

goddammit /lit/

>>1600297
Yeah yeaaaaah, I only used it to show my "passion". :P
Nationals has always been amazing, can't wait for Kentucky this year.

...but, er, you still didn't answer any of my questions, no offense....

>>1600303
oh I'm not the Classics major, just a guy who took Latin in high school and did JCL without taking it seriously (California whatup). Never went to nationals b/c I never cared to.

WRT college admissions though don't sweat it so much, if you've got grades + extras + test scores that's all you can really do.

>>1600309
Eheu.

>>1600285
>1) Where are you right now?

A small school that's not known for its Classics department - but it's as awesome as any other Classics department you'll find (small, dedicated classes, passionate professors with high standards, etc.)

>What do you say are my chances of getting into Princeton's Classical Program?

I have no idea honestly. I don't know anything about JCL or anything else, sorry.

>3) What do you see yourself doing later on in life?

Dream job would be teaching Latin or Greek at the high school level, but if that doesn't work out I'm going to be a Nurse's Aide since I'm getting a job doing that soon anyway.

>4) Would you recommend I stick with becoming a Classics major? I'm intensenly in love with the subject and have read several works on my own not assigned in class.

Definitely stick with it. The further along you go, the more everybody is like you, which is intimidating at first but great when you get used to the idea that you're in a room full of people as smart as you or smarter. And you'll learn to write better as a Classics major than any English major, my Classics professors always grade essays much harsher than professors I've had in the English department. So if nothing else you'll pick up that skill, and it's a good major to start with if you want to go on to law or medicine.

I'd say focus on the languages more than anything. Read works on your own time, something that will challenge without overwhelming. Cicero is good for prose in this respect, Catullus for poetry. Keep a running list of vocabulary you don't know and, unless the word is rare, memorize the shit out of it.

Good luck! Stick with what you're doing. There are adjuncts in my classes who already have MAs in Classics and don't do anything remotely related to the field for work but still come in and take classes and read Latin and Greek because they enjoy it.

>>1600300
Geez. So here's the Greek text. Not that you could read it any better

Ὅτι μὲν ὑμεῖς, ὦ ἄνδρες Άθηναῖοι, πεπόνθατε ὑπὸ τῶν ἐμῶν κατηγόρων, οὐκ οἶδα: ἐγὼ δ' οὖν καὶ αὐτὸς ὑπ' αὐτῶν ὀλίγου ἐμαυτοῦ ἐπελαθόμην, οὕτω πιθανῶς ἔλεγον. Καίτοι ἀληθές γε ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν οὐδὲν εἰρήκασιν.

Just in case any latinfags are still here, is 18 too old to start?

>>1600411
Fantastic age to start, you have a contemporary wisdom from which you will find Latin bases, in language, art, science, and society. Cheers.

>>1600411

Hell no, you'll be fine.

Anyone used Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata?

>>1600259
fuck this is what i would want to do if i wasn't going into art. I am translating portions of the Aeneid this year in class and I really, really love it. do you know what you are going to do after school?

>>1600411

Latin is all about learning grammar and inflection. It's probably easier to learn after you have a grasp of what everything is doing in a sentence since word order is not as strict as English. Notice how I didn't say "not as important" as English.

>>1600457
Fuck that, we used Ecce Romani.

>>1600457
I used Cambridge. Awesome semi-historical overarching storyline in all the translation portions throughout all the course books.

>>1600481

The Cambridge Greek course has a storyline that is mostly infamous, though.

I've got some time to kill and I'm thinking about teaching myself Latin. Anyone have any tips for someone who doesn't know anything about it?

>>1600504
It sucks and shat on my high school GPA.

But I regret not taking it seriously. Would've been cool to be a Latinfag.

>>1600475
That shit is sooooooooooo terrible.


Also, note to Latin/Greek students ITT: Loeb Library publishes affordable editions of the Greco-Roman classics with original text on the left sides (so you can absorb the musical qualities of the original if you know how to read it) and English translation on the right sides.

>>1600457

I used that, practically taught myself with it since I started moving ahead of the class and doing lessons on my own. It's a great text because it gives you tons of practice and gradually builds you up to the complexity of real Classical writings, but I don't buy the "natural method" Orberg promotes. I'd say if you want to teach yourself, get those books + a real grammar (Allen & Greenough) and dictionary and the supplements to the course, and master grammar and vocabulary while using the per se illustrata books as practice reading.

Alright guys, here's a tip for Vergil. If you don't know what it is, it's probably an ablative absolute. MOTHERFUCKER LOVED ABLATIVE ABSOLUTE.

You're welcome

>>1600504
bump for this question, also interested.

>>1600533
saw this post but has anybody taught themselves Latin or have any other tips?

OP, I think you mean "Nightmare mode: no spaces, punctuation, or lower-case letters."

And how is no macrons hard mode?

is it easy to translate Dutch into English?