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Triviality is based - triviality, that is, in the form of consciousness and mind that adapts itself to the world as it is, that obeys the principle of discord. And this principle of discord is what is truly based and redpilled.

>Adorno: don’t b urself, that’s trivial. b edgey
>holocaust happens (jk)
>also Adorno: NOOOOO!! YOU CANT KILL MY FRIENDS!!! POTTERY IS DEEEAAAAAD!!!!
wow Adorno rlly nigga??

>>15992724
The Holocaust happened under trivial means. It occurred under bureaucratic and industrial processes and the people that operated them were banal average people that were taking orders.

>>15992792
What is his proposed solution? How are we to maintain functioning societies if everyone is busy questioning the ends to which they are being put instead of following orders?

>>15992676
BTFOD

>>15992821
if the only thing holding 'society' together is a lack of reflection on the part of its members, maybe society isn't worth preserving

>>15992821
Well given that it is destructive when people are unquestioning and act like npcs it will probably operate even better

Bump

>>15992860
Autism.
>>15992863
What makes you think that it's actually destructive? How is it destructive for people to go about their day while routinely suppressing any, say, violent or sadistic urges they have that may contradict the law?

>>15992541
>obeys the principle of inertia.
when philofags are trying to do physics

>>15992541
sneed

>>15993043
Well when people are going about their day being unquestioning to say the destruction of the environment they inhabit, the boot that is kept over developing countries by Amerikkka and wars sanctioned by them, the holocaust happening in our backyard (factory farming) and its environmental consequences, and that at all it would take to harm one's fellow man is orders from the bureaucratic chain then yeah that is destructive. You can argue that people being more reflective and questioning can also be "destructive," to which I would respond with npc behavior is banally destructive while anti-npc behavior is creatively destructive.

>>15993104
Next you're gonna tell me that all cops are bad.
Get out of here.

>>15993115
Well yeah cops are pigs. If you have any issue with anything I said then you are an npc. Sorry.

>>15993131
Bolshevik faggot

>>15993142
have sex

>>15993147
haha , you wish, wanker

>>15993104
>>15993131
you know, being a contrarian to a status is only step 1 to true conciousness. just by itself it is mere pubescent petulance. once you realize that things could be different you also have to then understand why things are the way they are. you dont have to agree with them, but having an understanding of their causal origin helps you to not be a pretentious holier than thou faggot.

>but what if current thing is bad?
is only one step past
>thing is.

>>15992541
You guys do understand that this is a based and right-wing sentiment? Right?

>>15993180
Right wing is triviality

>>15993189
what a trivial statement.

>>15993189
I didn't say conservative for a reason

>>15993115
All of those things are happening, anon worded it like a terminally online zoomer though.
>>15993168
>Why?
Inertia, nothing more. Adorno was right and far more intelligent than you or I. Factory farming is only allowed because people don't question where their food comes from or they're too lazy to eat vegan. Most people would be horrified if you tortured your dog for pleasure but they gladly pay to have cattle tortured for their pleasure. Same thing with the environment, people care about the world but not enough to do something about it. They try to fix it by buying reusible bags while still adhering to the consumerist system that's destroying the environment.
>Inb4 global warming
Not talking about that. There is an absurd amount of plastic garbage in the ocean and coral reefs are dying. The negative effects of consumerism on the environment are very well documented
>inb4 health
The only vitamin or nutrient you can't get from a vegan diet is vitamin B12. You can be a vegan powerlifter it just takes more effort than meat eating.

>>15992541
goddamn this is based, where did he say this? he's right.

>>15994116
Metaphysics: Concept and Problems

>>15993168
he's talking about the evil that is tolerated as a matter of course, and how that kind of evil is grounded and occluded by normality. factory farming is a perfect example. see how many people appeal to the "principle of inertia" in their defense of it - "it is what it is", "it's always been done this way", "they were made to eaten", etc.

to say nothing of the suffering in nature, which is nothing else but animals obeying their prime biological directive, which (being incapable of reflection), is one with the inertia principle.

>>15993142
Literally a based „faggot“

>>15993051
retard

>>15994101
This is the definitive post in this thread. Very based.

>>15993214
Conservatism is also trivial, in its neoliberal form of today. The only conservatism that holds up is Chesterton‘s

>>15993180
Adorno‘s inherently dialectical thought deceives smoothbrains to think his thought was right-wing

>>15994139
yes, but the recognition of evil implies an absoluteness and assuredness in opinion on the subject matter. to say something is evil, unless you are talking about the base teleological nature of evil itself, is an abstraction as large as “its just the way things are”. now if you say “as a gestalt x seems to tend to lead to evil by my veiw” that is a much more well rounded phraseology and conception. otherwise how do you know you are not simply deluding yourself in thinking a particular seeming is a universal absolute?

>>15994240
sounds like spiritual and philosophical cowardice. what is your argument, really? "I can't stomach the possibility that the way the universe is, is fundamentally evil?" I wish I had a gnostic meme head guy saying "Yes." Because: yes. Did you forget you're piloting a perpetually hungry biological machine, destined for death?

Adorno isn't the first to make the connection, he was beaten to the punch by almost 2,000 years.

>>15994101
>muh vegan
That only works if you can plant your own fruits and vegetables, or buy from local farmers. Otherwise, you're still perpetuating the system of oppression by buying from supermarkets whose greens are bought from farms which use cheap labor from undocumented immigrants. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

>>15994101
> Inertia, nothing more. Adorno was right and far more intelligent than you or I. Factory farming is only allowed because people don't question where their food comes from or they're too lazy to eat vegan.
> Most people would be horrified
you are using a large amount of wishy washy perspectivist words in your statement and making things that are very much not apondictic sound apondictic, so i have a hard time agreeing Adorno is smarter than you or i as it seems like you are using adorno as a mouth peice for your specific, and very much historically contigent veiws on the matter that you would like to proclaim as fact.

if we are specifically refering to factory farming i would say pic related has a much more solid and nuanced take on the matter as a product of historical causality. however, i am not so self deluded to think its the only take on the matter

>>15994285
>booga wooga people in low number calendar year do thing now you do thing, read book now you think much?????

literally who gives a fuck. can you people even take a piss without a peer-reviewed paper shaking your dick?

>>15993104
>Amerikkka
what a child ,lol

Has nobody ITT read Kafka? This is literally what his works are about.

>>15994323
have sex

>>15992541
Did he ever, during his entire life, write about anything that wasn't related to nazism is the slightest?

>>15994285
It's apodictic btw
>empirical facts
99% of meat sold comes from factory farms
Factory farms process too many cows to treat them humanely
Eating meat has no observable health benefits, nor is it necessary to live.
Eating meat is more harmful for the environment than eating vegan

>my opinion
Most meat eaters are against abusing pets.
Most meat eaters care about the environment
Most meat eaters are hypocrites.

I appreciate that you called out me using adorno as a mouthpiece though, I didn't think about what I was implying. What I meant was "adornos concept of inertia being evil is true, here are some examples of evil perpetrated because of inertia". But adorno is smarter than you or I, he's a respected philosopher and we're wasting time on 4chan
>>15994304
I hate you

>>15994179
>Adorno as a whole is this specific sentence
nice one Kallikak

>>15994304
...what? i dont care if its peer review if the argument is convincing. and from my perspective most of this book was. its arguments were largely sound and didnt reduce it to mere pathos while also not disregarding it either. the book isnt even not sympathetic to vegans, it just tries to trace the lineage of thought and why all of a sudden some people cared so much about farm animals when we know for a fact, that historically people by and large didnt have a qualm with killing them in certain situations.

>>15994261
i dont see how im being a coward, im just not convinced that these statements are absolutely true. im not against the thought that the world might be fundamentally evil, but guess what, if i were to expand past that line of thought, and if i wasnt a coward, i would also have to consider the idea that the world isn’t fundamentally evil either. shocking, i know.

anyways, isnt this gnostic tangent besides the point? if we are saying everything physical is fundemebrally evil then there is little difference from doing one thing physically or another. its simply the goodness of the idea behind it.

>>15994423
>I hate you.

Why? I'm getting tired of bug people whose moral convictions need to rest on a stack of academic papers.

>>15994423
And actually most americans would be horrified to see me torture a dog for pleasure, 70% of them own pets. It's fair to say that people who own pets would be horrified to see me torture one.

>>15994457
>that historically people by and large didnt have a qualm with killing them in certain situations.

obviously, so what? who cares what the masses do?

>>15994457
the foundation being evil doesn't exclude the possibility of the superstructure doing something about it.

>>15994469
im saying that thought is contigent and developmental. that our beliefs are a product, at least in some respects, of the geneology of thought. i do not think its likely that you nor I are outside of historical causality.

>>15994423
thank you for being somewhat willing to converse.
> It's apodictic btw
i disagree
> 99% of meat sold comes from factory farms
i do not disagree
> Factory farms process too many cows to treat them humanely
not an emperical statement. “humanely” is jot an exact term unless we want to define it by regulation, and that would be state and contextual by what some one deams “humane”
> Eating meat has no observable health benefits, nor is it necessary to live.
ok, but this point is moot as it does not make it evil. if we are being sematic like this eating plants have no obvious health benifits not is it necessary to life, its the particular nutrients and makeup of plants (and animals) that do this.
> Eating meat is more harmful for the environment than eating vegan
abstraction. “harmful” is a vague term. i understand what you mean as decreasing emitions and so on, a gestalt abstracted statement. but not in any way apondictic. harm is not a specific meaning as an enviornment can and does change. if we say it does not effect the environment as much i agree.

therefore all your opinions are abstract and is more likely “i consider veganism to batter suit my particualr idea of the enviornment”. i do not see the hypocrisy of meat eating.

i would say it depends on your epistemology. something that is light, but might give some introduction to the topic of changing human-animal perspectives is https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ALWLELLlv6E

>>15994590
>muh epistemology
Fuck off bugman retard

>>15994630
im sorry... maybe ill use a term that would be easier for you to understand, how about “paradigm”, or if thats too big and scary, how about ““veiwpoint””. is that better?

you know, like how an ancient greek person might comprehend something in a completely different way than the modern chinaman?

>>15994701
No one cares about your faggot language games, fuck off bugman retard

>>15994716
ok if you dont actually want to discuss the topic i will. (of course all of your arguments could equally be considered “faggot language games too btw).

>>15994423
>99% of meat sold comes from factory farms
>Factory farms process too many cows to treat them humanely
85% of all cows in the US are currently on pasture anon.

>>15995151
US Factory Farming Estimates. We estimate that 99% of US farmed animals are living in factory farms at present. By species, we estimate that 70.4% of cows, 98.3% of pigs, 99.8% of turkeys, 98.2% of chickens raised for eggs, and over 99.9% of chickens raised for meat are living in factory farms

>>15992541
Literally what did he mean by
>triviality
>evil
>principle of inertia
and why is everything I encounter by Marxists always gibberish like this?

>>15995583
Can you really not wrap your head around that fairly simple sentence or are you being obtuse on purpose?

>>15992541
Am I the only one who doesn't like his appropriation of the word trivial in this sense? I feel like he could've used a different word.

>>15995583
he's talking about the holocaust.

>>15995756
There's nothing simple about it, because he, like all Marxists, uses language unconventionally and unintuitively.

>triviality, that is, in the form of consciousness and mind that adapts itself to the world as it is
This is poorly written gibberish. Why say both "consciousness" and "mind" — what distinction is even being made here? What is this "triviality" "of consciousness and mind," does he just mean trivial thought, trivial states of mind, what? Why does this triviality seem to have its own agendas since it, according to him, "adapts" and "obeys"? And if he's talking about something abstract like trivial thought, how does a principle from physics apply to it? None of this shit is a given, as you seem to be implying.

>>15996403
Sounds like you are just programmed to go on the offensive and be purposely obtuse just because "Marxists bad." It is a really simple sentence. Nothing complicated about it. He is obviously writing about things like the Holocaust.
>>15992792

>>15996403
You're really fucking autistic and stupid

>>15996663
>He is obviously writing about things like the Holocaust.
I don't know the context of that particular passage. What part of the passage is supposed to clue me in on that? And I still don't have any idea what he's getting at.

>>15994458
Are you capable of holding all your drool in your mouth or no? This post suggests that you're not

Just so you guys know, the retards posting in this thread are probably a bunch of disaffected philosophy PhD students.

>>15996319
>he's talking about the Exodus
>he's talking about Haman in Babylon
>he's talking about the four billion the Romans killed at Bethar
>he's talking about 109 expulsions
it's all so tiresome

>>15993043
>while routinely suppressing any, say, violent or sadistic urges they have that may contradict the law?
Do you think that this is what Adorno is advocating for? Becoming violent and sadistic just to go against the law?

>>15997586
If we accept the definition of "triviality" that the other anon gave, then we must also accept that this includes the routine compliance with laws, rules, and regulations of the average person. Unless there is some section where he qualifies and expands on his definition such that it does not encompass the very things that give our life structure and stability, and unless the other anon is wrong, I don't see how we can escape this conclusion.

>>15994376
He wrote some extremely dumb shit about movies.

>>15997495
Nah I'm a content linguistics student. I'm really hot and successful, getting head as I type this right now haha

>>15997633
I don't know much about Adorno's philosophy, but I'm sure he's not advocating for barbary.

>>15994423
>Eating meat has no observable health benefits, nor is it necessary to live.

He says with mantits and shrivelled testicles.

>>15998240
My roast beef pussy lips shriveled up on account of veganism, now I can deceive innocent men into thinking I'm a virgin and false rape accuse them. God bless. Thanks to veganisim my pussy smells fresh and crisp as the air at the summit of K2. God bless