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My dad says something similar:
With belief there is room for doubt and i do not doubt God's existence.

>>15971315
Know God? I *am* God.

>>15971315
how do you do that though. I understand believing but knowing for a fact?

>>15971338
You just do it.
Like you admit your own existence

>>15971331
So basically, he failed to comprehend the elementary folk-psychological concept of 'belief'. Sad.

>>15971315
>>15971338
>>15971344
Saying "I know" is epistemologically equivalent to saying "I believe".

>>15971345
Who knows. But english is a very limited language for semantics. They even translated Geist as Mind

>>15971351
What a sad language indeed

>>15971351
suppose I break your leg and you squeal like a pig you are, you know you feel pain or believe you feel pain?

>>15971315
He regretted saying that.

>>15971401
He regretted saying such a sharp statement to the ignorant masses, but not believing in it. Jung was a "believer" until the day of his death.

>>15971470
I've read a few books of his students. On "entry" topics like archetypes of the shadow/anima/animus and some theory on myths. I guess god must be a central archetype or a manifestation of the archetype of the self? I saw the clip and he looks pretty happy with himself after the statement. He had many children, two waifus, created the tower he saw in his dreams and was a world famous man. How much more can you achieve (let's assume "godhood" is the top of the ladder that man can climb).

>>15971315
Reminder that everyone's an idiot and the "geniuses" just don't doubt themselves. They're basically serial killers

>>15971351
>>15971345
But not emotionally equivalent, bugmen. Who yourselves then became unable to understand the folk-use of the term "know" in respect to believing.

>>15972459
Jung accepted the existence of Gods and God, but as far as an naturally un-psychological God as could be said, he always spoke of it as if he considered it a highly possible reality, but never explicitly said he believed in it. And always maintained the importance of the explicitly psychological, such as explaining that he himself was not arrogant enough to suppose an all good God.

>>15972530
Didnt he believe in Abraxas God concept?

>>15972588
>Abraxas
Yes something effectually very similar to that.

>>15971400
Both.

>>15971400
>pic
Jesus offers "protection".

have you heard of the heresy of belief /lit/?

>>15971315
Ana Al-Haq
Aham Brahmasmi
I am God

>>15972637
pic is very good once you understand context.

>>15972459
Yeah of course, he is asked about God on an interview but when he answers he wasn't talking about God, in reality, he was talking about the self. And when the guy asks him if when he was a kid in a Lutheran family he believed in God he says "yes yes yes" but he was referring to the self too.

Keep on with the negationism.

>>15973591
boo hoo my parents were religious.

You ask me if i believe in God?
*flexes to mirror*
I'm looking at him.

>>15971400
I guess objective morality just doesn't exist we're all just stardust monkeys bro

>>15971400

>>15975384
Why is knowledge within poorly justified true beliefs lol

>>15971315
heresy. its not faith at that point

>>15975454
Because even true knowledge is poorly justified

>>15975466
>>15972672
HERESY HERESY AAHHHH
There are thousands of arguments for the existence of God. But thanks to our Protestant *heretics* reason is a whore and you cannot reach God in a logical and scientifical frame.

>>15975466
Belief is the lowest rung of the ladder of transcendence and something 100% of people automatically achieve, therefore Marxist subversion of religion made it the only necessity and killed the physical worlds orientation towards anything higher than illogical hearsays and bullshitting ourselves into the rubble.

>>15972530
>he considered it a highly possible reality
Very interesting thank you. Apparently the statement caused some discussion back then.
>he himself was not arrogant enough to suppose an all good God.
Right that archetype has a shadow archetypes too. I mean we invented countless myths around these.

>>15975218
What are you talking about, Sir?

https://steve.myers.co/jungs-regret-over-i-dont-need-to-believe-i-know/

>>15976219
Lol if you believe in the image of God you definitely believe in God. Because there cannot be an image without the original material from where the image is created. Logic that no atheist will understand, unfortunately.

>>15971338
This is a stage of absolute belief usually inly found in mysticism. "I believe" admits of separation between god and the believer, on the other hand, knowing is like saying that you think they are one. God, the universe and man, a unity of multitude based on meditation and spiritual contemplation. You can say he believes it because he "feels" the existence of a deity, beyond reason because if he used reason, being a rational person, he will find no practical basis for belief, so instead he "knows".

>>15976319
Yes and that original material is a psychological archetype. I am not in this thread because i wanna know if god is real or not. I am here because i want to pick up some biographical information before i continue reading his work. These people did really interesting thing. Marie-Louise von Franz was spot on when she realized that the christian myth for example has no good representation of negative female archetypes.Very interesting material

>>15976951
>no good representation of negative female archetypes
What about Eve, Lilith, Jezebel? The Whore of Babylon?

>>15971331
Based dad

>>15975384
Can you prove the validity of logic using logic itself?

>>15971315
>"why yes i believe in god in fac-"
>*WHAM*
>"*sputtering and gagging on own blood*w-what?? y-you ca- *gurgle gag* cant just h-hit me with a hammer! th-"
>*WHACK THUMP SPLACK*
>"*cradling stray skull fragments* n-noooo i-i can't re remember what i was going to s-say *hick sob*"
>*SPLUNK BAM WUMP WUMP WUMP*
>"*glazed expression* wh-whuh? what's my name?"
>*THWIMP as the hammer embeds itself deeply into the skull that had become an indented pool for the blood that bow spills its crimson tide on the tile flooring as the theist slumps forward*
>the theist's corpse twitches as the last electro-neural impulse fires its final, futile charge and the room resolves into a somber silence
>"and so, class, as we can see, his god hypothesis is entirely refuted thusly."
>a sporadic applause is taken up among the college students that gradually swells into a full on standing ovation as they all recognize with absolute lucidity the empirically proven truth of Physicalism, knowing that at last the anemia of theological thought was passing from the face of the earth forever,

Since this is a Jung thread, can I ask a technical question from knowledgeable anons? I'd like to know if psychic inflation inhibits the integration of the Self. I believe my shadow and anima have become integrated too quickly on their own accord (before even reading Jung), and this has lead to a bad case of inflation that I've only recently became aware of. What should I do with this knowledge?

>>15977241
I wasn't specific enough. Christianity has no good integration of the dark feminine. That's how she phrased it. The term is a bit difficult to research especially since you confronted with a pile of feminist crap. Has nothing to do with being a tomboy. Dark femininity is not animus possession. In Greek mythology the goddess Aphrodite is confronted with a girl who rivals her beauty named Psyche. The goddess of love continually makes life hard for her constant. She does that out of shear jealously (dark femininity). In the process Psyche grows as a woman that will finally lead to her being gifted immortality by Zeus. Again its not some tomboy adventure. Psyche doesn't wield a sword, she doesn't slay monsters etc. She grows through female means the archetype of the jealous mother-in-law is pushing her forward. Would be to much to go into detail but her journey to Persephone has lots of stuff in it.

>>15978808
Got it, that makes sense. Though myself I suspect that the material world and the feminine are wholly evil and there is no female "journey"

>>15978808
what does any of this mean? i genuinely don't get psychologism, christian ''myth'' is on par with egyptan mythopoesis, they are both symbolique of the metaphysical, images of the invisible; while i would say that all of this psychological ''archetypes'' are inclinations and influences, cataphatic expressions of the ego

>>15972459
Jordan Peterson has a really good lecture somewhere about this. It also lends some credence to the Christian bible when it is interpreted as a metaphor for how to understand the self.

>>15971315
JBP tier cringe

>>15979150
Peterson doesn't even have the balls to say he believes in an actual God, and I don't know if he does

>>15971315
He even wrote a letter to clarify what he said here. He said that he was confronted to an unknown element and he calls that 'god'.

>>15978209
>He regretted saying such a sharp statement to the ignorant masses, but not believing in it. Jung was a "believer" until the day of his death.

>>15978209
>>>/lgbt/
Go back you barbarian swine!

>>15979645
He always struck me as agnostic

>>15979735
>what is God if not THE unknown element.

>>15979981
that's the point, he is not a christian

>>15971315
Based

>>15980005
>God has to be the Christian God to be God.

>>15980079
ah it's so tiring when retards are purposely obtuse

>>15976219
>>he considered it a highly possible reality
>Very interesting thank you. Apparently the statement caused some discussion back then.
>>he himself was not arrogant enough to suppose an all good God.
>Right that archetype has a shadow archetypes too. I mean we invented countless myths around these.
You should read his reply to them, I'm pretty sure it goes over some of this stuff. And you should also keep in mind that he considered Christianity and secondarily Buddhism the greatest religions.

>>15979645
That's what Jung was saying too, talking about God as a "symbol" or "archetype"

>>15971345
and he failed to understand the value of belief.

>>15980044
Interdasting, dubs.

>>15971315
What a blasphemous thread. The very point of creation is to have faith, to believe without being able to know. To love God and obey (H)im, as a free choice. If God was to make (H)imself know to us, we wouldn't have the choice to freely love (H)im, so out of (H)is desire to be loved freely and not feared, (H)e conceals (H)imself, such is the greatness of (H)is self sacrifice and love that the Eternal unique One who stands alone outside time gave us the freedom to love (H)im.
>>15976151
Yep.
>>15978209
Peace be upon this noble martyr.
>>15978539
Brahs, jung is not a good source. Read the actual source material. Go back to the ancients. Try the upanichads. But yes, personal ego is a barrier to higher realms.