/lit/ - Literature

God made you free

>>15953087
It just is

>>15953087
And how can something come out of nothing? It doesn't make sense. Something had to always been there, something eternal, things coming from nothing mean they have a beginning, something eternal doesn't have a beginning, lmao that's so crazy though, I never really thought about it so deeply but it is really surreal when I think about God not having a beginning

It's literally the only possible state of existence.

Seriously what the FUCK is the universe doing here if no one made it

And don't tell me God, what the FUCK would he be doing there

Lads it's fucking crazy

Don't worry, soon you will return to that very nothing. Isn't that comforting? A life is very long but it goes by fast, and it is insignificant when compared to the age of the universe. Even these words, these thoughts, will cease to "mean" in a few millennia.

>>15953087
no one can know

>>15953146
Yeah but nothing is nothing so I immediately wake up countless eons later and we do it again

>>15953087
You need to read some Pessoa, my friend. Specifically, Alberto Caeiro's The Keeper of Sheep. It will show how to properly appreciate that what is just is, without the need of neither grand design or ulterior purpose.

>>15953087
is there really though?

the real question is:
why is there nothing rather than something?

>>15953087
because of randomness hehe. Everything is random, I don't have free will and that's all bigot.

>>15953178
>is
>nothing
Choose one

>>15953087

>>15953087
There is both something and nothing.
Your concept of Nothing actually comes from your impermanence. So again. There’s both.
But you’re asking why isn’t Nothingness all there is.
How the fuck?

>>15953087
funny how no one answers your question

>>15953155
Continuing to exist, persisting even in the face of eternity? Now that is scary. I can stand to live this life because I convinced myself there is no after. Even Heaven or Hell, I imagine, would become tiresome. Better to exist in Purgatory, or even the Tartarus and Limbo, at least I would be allowed some quiet. But to be ripped away from the blissful void and have to drag myself through life again? I am very sad at the prospect.

>>15953144
It is eternal and infinite. There’s no need to make what is there swirling around.
But seriously think about this broken idea of a time when there wasn’t all this stuff, or a time when it ... goes away? It makes no fucking sense.

There is not nothing. Nothing can not Be.
What it isn't is not.
Is=Is
Is not=Is not
Is=/=Is not

>>15953087
As this is a question without answer at this point, it might fill you with wonder, but definitely shouldn't keep you up at night.

Nothingness is the absence of something, it can only be defined as such therefore it's existence if only theoretical, as it's intrinsically related to something that exists and it is not nothing

>>15953087
If there were truly nothing what would stop something from happening?

>>15953138
Learn some physics. Time isn't what you think it is.

>>15953245
>doesn't contribute with anything, just comes in to throw a light jab questioning someone's intelligence and leaves
You sure contributed, you sure showed him.

>>15953245
>For those of us that believe in physics, the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion
What did Einstein mean by this?

the abstract notion of "nothing" passes over logically into the notion of "bieng", and in the beginning it could only be abstract or immediately universal. read begel

>>15953274
Absolute simultaneity doesn't exist, therefore there is no objective present. An event in my future can be in your past. There is no more an objective "now" than there is an objective "here".

>>15953291
>t. hasn't read past the preface

>>15953128
That's a circular answer; no answer at all.

>>15953139
Not an answer

>>15953245
Not even science is what it thinks it is now

>>15953087
Because of a great accidental singularity devoid of all purpose and meaning. Go on believing in your sky God.

>>15953138
The rule "something cannot come from nothing" is itself a thing. If there were nothing existing then no rule could exist preventing something from happening.

because of the big bang expansion 13.77 billion years ago duuuhhhhh

>>15953293
kinda cool

>>15953296
>t. stopped at PoS and never went on to read SoL

>>15953211
I admit I'm pretty scared of the eternal recurrence. I eschew suicide and live like I have a bayonet to my back because of it. If I'm stuck reliving the cringe and regret and self-hatred of 15-30 forever, 31-100 better be LIT.

If I were 100% sure of eternal oblivion I think I'd get comfy in death ASAP.

>>15953389
>t. Didn't even finished PoS before skimming the Introduction of the SoL

>>15953111
>111
nice anon. Elegant answer too <3

>>15953214
yo butters, do you mean to say that whatever conception of 'God' you have isn't transcendent, but immanent?

>>15953527
There’s apparently no gods, and yeah, the universe has to be imminent

>>15953291
the phenomenology of flour?

>>15953087
*sniffs* Perhapshhs you meen why theresh noting rather dan shhomethingm! *sniffs*

>>15953087
>Cute girls

Unironically though I think aesthetics have something to do with it. Golden ratio shit and all that jazz. Maybe God created existence for beauty itself? Maybe he's an artist and this is his art?

>everything about daily life, especially modern life, is "demystifying"
>the natural frame of mind of nearly every person nowadays is "ah it's probably nothing, the world is probably meaningless :/"
>have to exert all the effort in your mind and soul to resist this pull, and stay focused on the pursuit of truth
>after a while even the pursuit of truth itself starts to feel mundane, something you do more out of principle than because you really feel the logos pulling you toward it
>fall into a slump where you wonder what's even the point of trying to understand the cosmos anymore
>wonder if it's all just memorizing abstract philosophies and systems
>suddenly think "why is there something rather than nothing"
>suddenly realize there IS something rather than nothing
>there is a truth waiting to be understood
>it's really out there
>mfw

>>15953434
>I eschew suicide and live like I have a bayonet to my back
I live every day of my life like this, I embrace the foot that is existence slowly crushing my insect-like being, this fleshy form that is slave to instinct and impotent desire. I would go on living because I hope death will find me quickly, I do not fear it though adrenaline may betray my conviction. With my luck, I'll probably live a long life.
>If I'm stuck reliving the cringe and regret and self-hatred of 15-30 forever
I cannot abide by this. All things pass, even I can't hold on to those feelings of inadequacy and disappointment forever. I have lived my life the way I could, and no one else can convince me that I have made any wrong or right choices. Opinion is only an illusion, whether it is mine or someone else's does not matter. It is the deeper truths, the ones you reach when you are in a quiet place, that illuminate my path.

>>15953509
t. Did not even reread PoS after finishing SoL after initially reading PoS

>>15953848
>t. Quotes Hegel's student's lecture noted knowing Hegel didn't wrote them directly

>>15953297
>Not an answer
Yeah but the OP isn't really a question, more of a semantic trap. The justification for any conceivable answer given must, by it's very nature, be conceived by the existence which is being questioned and therefore can always be undermined by the original question.

>>15953293
sounds suspiciously like pilpul

>>15953434
i get the feeling the eternal return is nietzsche's attempt to reconstruct christian ethics outside of christianity. pragmatically speaking the effect is the same considering actions from the perspective of eternal return as it is from heaven/hell

So that you could ask this question.

>>15954093
The universe isn't a text.

>>15953111
But why is there God instead of nothing and no God?

>>15953087
Zero entropy caused it my fag.
Ethereal recurrence is true. After every heat death of the universe a Big Bang happens.
Time is a flat circle.

The clocking is ticking
Soon this will all be over
But before then
Let's have some fun
Nuclear holocaust
Apocalypse now
That will be the day
Dancing in the acid rain
Sweating in the rice fields
It just takes time
Empty city
Hungry tribe
Nature buried beneath the stone
We will return
To your scheduled broadcast
Following this urgent message
They have arrived
With black eyes
And black thoughts
This is not the end
It is the beginning
Forests will grow again
Rivers will flow
And soon this will all be over
So let's have some fun
I'll hurt you
And you'll hurt me
And we will promise to return
To your scheduled broadcast
Following this urgent message

>>15953087
>>15953197
nothing straight up isnt. its a delusion of language that comes from "empty space". empty space has air or quantum fluctuations or something always. nothing isnt. we made that up.

>>15954494
t. Krauss

>>15953087
God

>>15953087
Unironically Déscartés

It's all an illusion, there isn't really anything. Maybe consciousness, I think that's the only real thing but I'm not even sure about that

That's the 2500 year old question isn't it. Unfortunately we can't answer it. So there is a problem in the question that we haven't realised yet.

>>15953214
True, time as we understand it is impossible without matter, and so it is not possible to talk about a before or after cosmos in common terms. If there is any dualism then those metaphysical objects simply are, there is no temporal priority, rather an ontological priority, so that its 'beforeness' is primordiality or potential as opposed to a temporal before.

>>15953087
if something and nothing are both possible states of the universe, then there must be something because nothing is unstable: it literally cannot "be". in this spinozian way, being must necessarily exist through itself. Knowing that if being is possible (which we now only derive because were in it), it must be, the question then becomes: why is being a possible state to begin with, to which i would say no idea, and also no idea if its even meaningful to answer that question.

>>15953087
I can understand people saying there always was, but how in the fuck is everything so convenient then? And not random? Isn't intelligent design proof there was a conciousness behind everything? You're saying this is how it always was, but that still means it took the first try for it to be like this, you atheists are the most gullible brainlets ever existing.

>>15955209
Anthropic principle, anon

>Why isn't there nothing rather than not something???

If we take special relativity at its face value, there has always been something and there will always be nothing. There exists a point in spacetime where there has been something at any arbitrary point in spacetime where there is nothing. The concept of "nothing" itself is actually kind of dubious when viewed from within this paradigm.

>>15953214
Infinity cannot actually exist, the universe would need to have a beginning.

>>15953087

Why did you evolve to be frightened of being alive?

>>15955319
it has no beginning, because it always existed
so there is no first cause, causality is illusion

>>15953111
How can we be free if we are ruled by what comes before?

>>15955319
Infinity can in fact exist, even if there was nothing, that nothingness would have always been there, you can't remove nothingness, so time is eternal, end of story.

It's bad OP. I had a math kick. The universe was perfect, created. Then I found out about non-Euclidean geometries. I got into fractals. I read and finally understood Godel's Incompleteness.

Neuroscience tells me free will is fleeting at best. Perception is wonky. Nitrous oxide told William James that Hegel was right, and told me Nietzsche's infinite recurrence was correct, but only for fleeting seconds.

No, we truly are likely simulations.

Or I don't know what we are.

I can see a sufficiently advanced race creating universes of logic to wait for self awareness, just to learn what they think of God. An experiment to find Him. And we are another failure.

>>15953087
Why not?

>>15953741
>I cannot abide by this. All things pass, even I can't hold on to those feelings of inadequacy and disappointment forever. I have lived my life the way I could, and no one else can convince me that I have made any wrong or right choices. Opinion is only an illusion, whether it is mine or someone else's does not matter. It is the deeper truths, the ones you reach when you are in a quiet place, that illuminate my path.
Thank you

>>15954565
And people here make fun of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.

>>15955319
The opposite of infinity cannot exist. The edge of a finite universe has what on the other side?
The galaxies swirl, die, coalesce, explode and become reborn, and probably have and probably will again forever.

>>15953655
I liked your joke, anon

>>15953245
What answer does physics provide?

>>15953087
because there cannot be 'nothing' - it lies in the word. read Parmenides. and also fuck off, not literature

>>15954565
litteraly support for my claim >:(
>>15956011
hitchikers is really good. the first two books

>>15953087
Because "nothing" is logically impossible. If it could exist - it wouldn't.