/lit/ - Literature

>>15947329

Props on actually improving your intellectual acumen beyond your early / mid 20s.

Intellectual development is a lot like the elo trench in Starcraft or Dota, only so much man hours before your ability crystallizes to a point of diminishing returns and while reform is perhaps possible, it is rarely ever done successfully. I suppose some ADD retards who never read but are in fact intelligent can make major knowledge gains in a short amount of time

>>15947329
>Me re-reading Peterson today at age 28
>>CRINGE
>Anyone else know this feel?

Nah, hes a good chap. You just got disillusioned, let it go, he's just a normal person.

>>15947329
>Me re-reading Peterson today at age 28
>>CRINGE

Peterson can only get you part of the way. Christ is the end destination. He should be respected for what he is: a gateway.

Reminder that he's not that bad, he's just loathed by /lit/ because his ignorant fans think he's the best mind of the century

>>15947380
except Peterson is an atheist and can only lead people to atheism.

>>15947389
No, it is a common phenomenon for people previously hostile to religion to be enlightened to first the practical merits of religion by Peterson, even if they don't believe it to be literally true. Then he introduces them to what is essentially Jung, the archetypes, and at once the Bible is given an appropriate eternal, mystical quality in all of its scenes. After passing through the entrance, on the other side you are someone who believes in the metaphysical, the divinity of truth, eternal archetypes written on the human heart (wondering who is the Author of these is a captivating question), the innate malevolence of man, natural inequality of individuals, a deep connection between the male and female essence, all of which form a soil favorable to one's conversion to a full Christianity.

>>15947363
It's true that your fluid intelligence decreases sharply from your early 20s, but crystallised intelligence isn't as you described. Crystallised intelligence lets you learn things very quickly by using different 'pathways': when you're 20 you can memorise a whole math textbook for an exam by brute force, but at 40 (when the brain is slower) you have your whole knowledge bank at your disposal which lets you create useful models and recognise patterns more easily. This stuff is well researched, not some bullshit pseudoscience.

>>15947365
>>15947384
This is true. I'm mostly cringing at the fact that I was dumb enough to fall for his rhetoric.

>>15947329
He presents his concerns in a clear manner and that is great, OP. Most people can't do that.

>>15947329
he is fine, but he got too famous too fast, should be ok once he recovers from Benzo-hell

>>15947329
>Me reading Peterson 5 years ago:
you didn't know about him 5 years ago. you probably mean 2 years ago

>I'm gonna go make my bed right now
sounds not very profound, but is still more valuable than
>CRINGE
so congrats on regressing.

OP is a big boi who needs no penis washing

You people can't go one day without a Peterson hate thread, huh? The guy is a fucking nobody who lost all credibility, why are you still talking about him?

>>15947329

You were cringe before, and you got even more cringy now.
>I cannot see the value in his teachings without becoming a cocksucking fanboy

Femboy piece of shit

I really wish tourists like OP would fuck off from /lit/

You belong on /pol/ my dude. Your level of discourse is double-digit IQ tier.

>>15947439
That never happened with me. Reading about religion and philosophy has lead me to think sceptical schools like the Phyrronists were on the right track. At most you can say it's reasonable that Christianity is correct (I think it fails even at that) which cannot guarantee knowledge or faith.

>>15947365
>crippling benzo-addiction
>insane quack diet that almost led to death by apple juice
>normal
He’s not a bad person but he isn’t normal or healthy.
>>15947329
>currently 28 and recognises the sophistry of Peterson’s rhetoric
>liked him 5 years ago
>28-5=23
>23 year old still immature enough to take Peterson as a serious thinker rather than a self help guru for fatherless 16 year olds
Lmao
It doesn’t help that his support is for a system of values that led to the awful modernity he ostensibly dislikes, humanism, liberalism, and “judeo”-Christian values are not a something to be preserved. Marxism is gone, it died it the 1990s (Thankfully), the college kids larping as communists are just liberals who want a welfare state and to police speech, though I suppose Peterson proves that “conservatives” are just liberals with decent societal standards these days

>>15947588
>doesn't mention Peterson once
you weren't what I was even talking about.

>>15947439
>all of which form a soil favorable to one's conversion to a full Christianity.
I'd think the opposite. This kind of intellectual look at religion is exactly what keeps people (like Peterson) away from formally converting and partaking in the rituals.

>>15947384
I loathe him because he sucks jew cock.

>>15947531
I'm not that guy, but I first heard of him before the last election, because of his refusal to adhere to the transgender pronoun law in Alberta, I think it was.
Because that's why people latched onto him because there was no one else in the media who was articulate and unapolgetic about these issues.
Completely plausible date.

>>15947557
>>15947550
he's not going to be your dad not matter how much you defend him

>>15947605
lmao at 23 I was getting drunk and fucking college girls not reading philosophy books you dork. you overestimate how mature people are at that age.

>>15947329
The only thing I ever took him seriously on was his own research on personality differences between men and women and the relationship between SES and sexual success. Unfortunately, that's even more taboo than most of the rest of the stuff he says, so there is no point in talking about it.

>>15947389
Peterson actually leads people to Perennialism.

>>15947329
No. Five years ago I knew he was shit and I was only 20.

>>15947329
The more I read philosophy the more I think JP is right about everything

>>15948388
>everything
no.
>more than /lit/ thinks they are too smart for.
yes.

For all the people who condescendingly sneer that he is for fatherless high schoolers, when I first learned about him I was a fatherless high schooler and the things he said really helped me in aspects of discipline. I don't know why that's a bad thing.

>>15947329
I think everyone who liked him when he was first getting famous has this feeling. I think the problem is that if you were the demo that liked him (College-aged guy who disagrees with the traditional College Liberal/Leftist mindset, but not edgy or politically minded enough to be Right-wing in any meaningful way), then you kind of needed to hear that the world isn't like your college campus. Once you get out of that campus, it becomes obvious and Peterson's advice is banal. I think he's still good for young dudes who are tired of their nagging feminist profs, but it doesn't really go past that.

>>15947329
>CRINGE
Ok, but why?

>>15947789
Projection-ho.

>>15948492
>For all the people who condescendingly sneer that he is for fatherless high schoolers, when I first learned about him I was a fatherless high schooler and the things he said really helped me in aspects of discipline. I don't know why that's a bad thing.
You're not allowed to like popular stuff on 4chan

>>15948492
The more vitriolic hatred of Peterson is literally either because he refused to use a tranny's pronouns or doesn't hate Jews, depending on where you are politically. All arguments presented are rationalizations of those two real reasons.

>>15947329
Yes, I feel similarly to edgy, mildly redpilled thinkers I read a lot when I was in my late teens in the mid 00s.

>>15948560
>All arguments presented are rationalizations of those two real reasons.
The mental gymnastics required to make the hundreds of arguments (economic, historical, political) against Peterson into these categories is impressive.

>>15947329
>in five years time I'll be 28

you have depressed me greatly

>>15948492
It isn't. Peterson is primarily a psychologist, a social commentator secondly. People unironically hype him up to some sort of profound contemporary philosopher. I still think his 1999 book is pretty interesting, even if a lot of it is just reiterating Jung. But /lit/ will never read it.

>>15948560
I was under the impression that he didn't mind using pronouns in personal interactions, but was against the misgendering business having an official presence in law and politics.

>>15949377
It's mostly because a lot of his fans never read philosophy. I have a friend who worships him and the "Intellectual Dark Web" and he's a guy who constantly freaks out because "we could all be in a simulation" or "we could all already be dead" or "the lack of meaning in life lets us define our own meaning", but when I recommend he read philosophy or at least find religion, his response is always "Nah, there's no point. There's no way to make money in that stuff."

>>15947329
antichrist

>>15947329
The poor man, I wouldn't wish benzo addiction on my enemies (which is probably why my people are being slowly genocided).
Also, any other authors with this awful feel? (or drug addiction downward spiralisms in general)

>>15947384
He's that bad

>>15947439
if his philosophy leads to a full conversion to Christianity then why is Peterson an atheist? it didn't even lead him to Christianity

>>15949733
Do you think Peterson fucks his daughter?

>>15947329
>5 year ago
lol, nah you didn't

>>15949771
I would if I were him; as long as she kept her mouth shut while fucking. I can't imagine maintaining an erection while listening to her prattle on about eating steaks and fasting.

>>15947384
He's good. As long as he sticks to his area(s) of expertise.
When he tries to talk about other stuff (history especially) it makes you want to gouge your eyes out.

>>15949800
Very based

>>15949806
>history especially
like what?

Have regressed into a nihilist slob or are you just embarrassed that you needed self help daddy in your mid 20s?

>>15949883
Cope

>>15949912
nope

>>15949883
I can understand seeing Peterson as shallow as one matures, but the amount of shame people show about reading him in college is weird. Everybody needs help sometimes.

>>15949945
I kek'd

>>15947329
you are a bandwagon retard who's opinions is determined by the masses

>>15949958
OP should be thanking him instead of calling him cringe

>>15950012
I was an early adopter.

>>15949412
>the intellectual dark web
I see this term thrown around to describe these rather milquetoast "intellectual" like Petersen, Shapiro, some other jews, etc. Is it what they're actually called by their fans, because they think of their opinions as being "cool" and "edgy" (when most of it's really just basic bitch neoconservatism), or is it just what they're called here?

>>15950012
Lmao 5 years ago I would have been one of the first to read him. Trust me, you'll grow tired of him but for now enjoy watching his fifth 3-hour long Joe Rogan podcast where he talks about the same shit for the millionth time.

Almost like he was leading a personality cult that collapsed when his dysfunctional loser fanbase realised he is a dysfunctional loser just like them.

>>15950320
Some news site (Vox or Vogue I think) called them that and some of their fans do. Most people here call them that as an ironic jab.

>>15950509
Pic makes me Sad. I was literally that, by that age of 14

>>15947329
>at age 28
The real cringe is that it took you until you were 28 to see through him. Though the fact that you ever bought into his "post-modern neo marxist" clap-trap leads me to believe there's no hope for you.

I never really saw the justification for the high level of appeal he has on people.
I really 12 rules of life, liked it and agreed.

Not really going to counter signal someone promoting self improvement abs attacking liberals

>>15950509
>he's a dysfunctional loser
Yet you say this while posting on 4chan
Kek

>>15948380
>>15947329
>5 years ago
How did you even know Peterson existed before the C-16 debacle, which got him in the media for the first time? Which was in 2016. Fucking dirty liars.

>>15947797
wasted life. At 23 I was VP of my dad's supply chain industry and living in Yokohama.

>>15947329
>2020
>I am forgotten

>>15951287
Lol was it a sole proprietorship? Go fuck yourself.

>>15947329
I don't see why people hate him so much. I guess he seems hypocritical for having those drug problems, but his book was something I got for free on audible and the main takeaway I took from his Jungian archetypical mumbo-jumbo was "I think spending more time reading literature would make me feel better than drinking and politics do", and it did.

>>15947329
That's called growing up i guess. There are many more red pills waiting for you.

>>15951549
Please share some.

>>15947380
proof you've never read peterson lmfao hes an atheist

>>15947451
don't feel bad. peterson is pushed on young men.

>>15947329
I'm sorry to tell you if it took you so long to realize Peterson is a chud then you must be dumb as fuck. Regardless, it's good you saw your mistake.

>>15949733
At the very least he must jerk off seeing her pics. Let's be real. Only fags don't jerk off to hot girls. I bet that's why he's depressed. He's disgusted by his arousal.

>>15948492
t. fragile white boy

You should be thankful of your mother for raising you alone instead of licking the ass of this scumbag.

>>15948508
>the world isn't like your college campus.
But for how long? I'm argentinian and I used to think the same. All this madness will be over once I'm out of college, but it has only become more and more mainstream and now everyone is a part of it. The students who used to run the the colleges by imposing their progressive views now are the adults doing it to the rest of society and both the government and the media amplify their voices while silencing everyone else. You don't get how dystopian the world is about to get.

>>15949958
We need help from the government to make things better for everyone, not from some chud making money telling us capitalism is cool and not the actual reason why we're miserable, no, let's blame feminists! He's scum.

>>15948560
>literally either because he refused to use a tranny's pronouns or doesn't hate Jews
Speaking for myself, it's the fact that he abuses his position as an epistemic authority figure. The dude makes things up about books he hasn't read and promotes bizarre conspiracy theories that make no contact with the world what-so-ever (post-modern neo-marxism) to an audience who doesn't know any better and makes bank off it. Plus, his unwarranted self-importance and self-seriousness are pretty unbearable. I have no idea how anyone can listen to him for more than three minutes.

>>15951701
I can't speak for Argentina, but I notice that the really extreme politics stuff here in the U.S. is usually in colleges and on the internet. A lot of the shit people say on both sides would NEVER be said in-person at a bar or workplace. Most people aren't that wound-up, they're just tired. It's just attention-whores winding everyone up.

>>15951778
>A lot of the shit people say on both sides would NEVER be said in-person at a bar or workplace.
Because it ruins your life when you do, retard. Speaking your mind in public is dangerous if you don't have the right opinions.

WASH

>>15951778
>A lot of the shit people say on both sides would NEVER be said in-person at a bar or workplace
Because most people at a bar or workplace are somewhat normal people from previous generations. Just wait until the generation who has been in college during these last few years becomes the main demographic.

>>15949262
>historical
like what?

>>15949399
that was indeed what he always claimed

>>15951778
It doesn't matter whether or not people would say it if they genuinely believe it. I go to a very liberal college. Most people don't go around openly discussing their beliefs. But at the same time, almost all of them are essentially fellow travellers who assume the truth of the liberal frame.
Things are a lot worse than you think they are.

>>15951800
Not him, but Peterson shills the holohoax and other false propaganda.

>>15951791
Obviously, but it goes for "the right opinions" too. In my experience, most people that say shit about "white privilege" and "straight white men" ruining the country back down pretty fast if you give them a "Well, that's what I am, are you insulting me? I sure hope not because I thought we were having a good night."

>>15951778
>>15951798
there is an online site where you can look for people to employ if you are looking for people who only want to work and promise to never use your brand to do activism online or inject politics on your workplace.

>>15951815
damn him

>>15951836
Many just follow the herd, so if you're the strong one in the room they'll back down.

>>15951836
In my country you would get yelled right there, or at best they would back down in the moment but they would start a campaign to cancel you.

>>15951853
Link?
>>15951878
If someone yells, yell back. Don't be autistic and screech about niggers and retards and jews, but don't let people besmirch you just to feel superior. Just say "I wouldn't insult your group because I respect you as a person, when you don't extend the same courtesy to me, what could it be other than disrespect to my person?" The "cancelling" thing is strange, I'm not sure how it works in your country. In the States there'd be a lot of hollering but if someone were to tell you that you received a complaint, you can challenge it and make things as litigious as you want.

>>15951760
>(post-modern neo-marxism)
I used to think he was full of shit about this, yet I have come to agree with him, even if he's far from an expert in either marxism or posmodernism. It's very telling how when it comes to Peterson leftists get so defensive of marxism and postmodernism while saying they are incompatible even when they are obviously invested in both. This cognitive dissonance was very evident in places like /r/badphilosopy whenever Peterson came up. I'm not a Peterson fan so I don't know how misguided he actually is about postmodernism, but I've seen at least one video in which he said he knows postmodernism was supposed to end with grand narratives, such as marxism, and when he talks about post modern-marxists he doesn't mean that post modernism is marxist, but that some ideas from post modernism has been intertwined with some marxists ideas to create something new, and he's right about that.

>>15951908
>yell back.

https://national-justice.com/black-man-beat-white-woman-engaged-sexual-extortion-then-got-her-fired-her-job-when-turned-down

https://national-justice.com/rash-black-white-violence

https://national-justice.com/american-purge-scores-white-people-lose-their-jobs-and-have-their-lives-ruined-not-supporting-anti

You have no idea how bad it is.

>>15951908
>The "cancelling" thing is strange, I'm not sure how it works in your country
t. Chilean guy here.

Here it isn't as bad as in argentina, but for example in my college there's a girl who gets harassed and assaulted on multiple occasions for being openly right wing. She's not even far right. None of her opinions are even polemic. She's as moderate as it gets. Yet she has gotten beaten by a group of people inside the campus and nothing was really done and her classmates have bullied professors to throw her out of the classroom or they won't let him continue with his lecture and the professors have accepted. And these people don't keep this kind of behavior just for college. They act like that all the time and the more power they get the more abusive they will be. You're mistaken if you think they will stop their bullshit once they are out of college.

>>15951953
If someone just starts throwing punches, that's an entirely different situation. That is a big problem that will take something more than Peterson to fix. Shit's scary.
>>15952001
That's pretty scary too. There aren't enough students to mobilize against those groups?

>>15952001
>Here it isn't as bad as in argentina
It's worse in whiter countries, because that's the main target of the propaganda. Not the only target, just #1.

>>15952001
What the fuck are you even complaining about? You should be glad chuds are finally getting shunned after they turned your country into a neoliberalist shit hole. The protests showed the world you aren't willing to stand it anymore. I wish here in america we had the courage to fight for our rights like that, but I think we're getting there.

Be me any age
>See condescending christfag
>CRINGE

You've only traded one set of lies for another OP.

>>15952028
>If someone just starts throwing punches,

https://abc7news.com/caren-act-karen-sf-law-illegal-to-call-911/6311759/
>The Caution Against Racially Exploitative Non-Emergencies Act would subject people who call 911 based racial bias to a civil penalty, according Walton.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/central-park-video-dog-video-african-american-trnd/index.html
>Following our internal review of the incident in Central Park yesterday, we have made the decision to terminate the employee involved, effective immediately. We do not tolerate racism of any kind at Franklin Templeton,

>>15952069
You are a cretin.

>>15951908
unwoke.hr

>>15952101
Damn, seeing all of this makes me even more confused that people don't understand why anybody would like Peterson.
>>15952069
The fuck is a chud?

>>15952149
Because he shills for kikes that enable this crap.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/tP2uwAWWtHgo/

>>15952149
Chud to chump is what bud to bump.

>>15951760
Peterson's flaw was forgetting to keep his ego in check. As his fame grew so did his pride and he ended up feeding his growing cult of personality, instead of trying to warn against it and cut it down.
If it was anyone else I would find it very easy to excuse, but a self-proclaimed psychoanalyst falling prey to his own ego is always disappointing to witness.

>>15952028
>There aren't enough students to mobilize against those groups?
Leftists are not only the majority, but their radicalism has been normalized to the point they see nothing wrong in harassing and ruining people's life for nothing and both the college authorities and media downplays it, even if leftists like to pretend the entire world is against them so it's valid for them to act as if they were at war with anyone who thinks differently. So basically if you say anything against them they will all make sure to ruin your life.

>>15952177
that video is heavily edited, loooool is great

>>15952149
>The fuck is a chud?
Just another way of calling the right wing scum.

>>15952184
Sounds like a Ginsberg line lmao
>>15952216
So it's sort of like the inversion of the "SJW" moniker?

>>15947329
just read jung and not this retard

>>15952140
That totally won't end up with everyone in it getting doxxed for being silent accomplices of white supremacy.

>>15952203
Of course it's edited, it's a compilation of JP being an antiwhite pawn of kikes. kys

>>15952231
>So it's sort of like the inversion of the "SJW" moniker?
Yes.

>>15952032
Sure, but to be fair here (in Argentina) we have been self destructing with leftism for a long time now, far longer than it became popular for other countries to do so. I'm even surprised that it isn't used more often as an example against leftism and progressive policies.

>>15947329
I never got into him, be his stuff helped a friend get better. I cant hate him if he legitimately helped some people.

>>15952368
>cant hate him if he legitimately helped some people.

A quick exercise:
A man kills two babies for no reason, but saves one. Do you trust the man?

>>15952392
This is unironically one of the best descriptions of Peterson I've ever read, but chuds will make mental gymnastics to say he's still trustworthy even if he killed two babies. Peterson is capitalism's bitch.

>>15951670
Why should he thank a woman who couldn’t even choose a man correctly

>>15952392
great post
some people are too ready to sell their morals and just forgives a shitty person just because they may not be completely awful

>>15952392
>>15952401
>>15952495
I think you're on the wrong website.

>>15952639
>>15952639
At least I'm not defending fucking Peterson

>>15952698
You're definitely on the wrong website.

>>15952639
Go back, faggot.

>>15952639
>>15952716
t. chud

>>15952761
>>15952722
I'm not even right-wing. You guys just don't belong here.

>>15952794
Cry harder, bitchboy. Go clean your room and wash your dick inbetween doses of prescription drugs.

>>15951287
>thinks nepotism makes him superior
Get a load of this guy

>>15951287
>VP
>at 23
>at my dad's supply chain company

not defending the dude's rambunctious 23yo lifestyle, but you can't sit in your dad's ivory tower and act as if you built it. You just sound like a huge tool.

>>15947329
>Anyone else know this feel?
No, because I saw him as a laughable pseud clown, same as Zizek. They're both entertaining, but that's it. They're literally entertainers and they do a good job, although both their acts get stale fast.

Peterson: "daddy says wash your penis and never fuck your wife in the ass!"

Zizek: "I am, eh,... eh,... something-eh you could call,... and I'm sorry for saying this, *sniff*, a madman communist who uses a lot of dirty words *sniff*"

The age of thinkers and philosophers is over. We're headed into the intellectual dark ages now and there is nothing that can save us.

>>15952981
Zizek was good for his time but most of his takes are stuck in the past. He helped the left in many ways and I respect him for that, but he isn't really useful anymore.

>>15953035
>zizek is a bigoted racist, I'm with google now

Me reading Peterson 5 years ago
>CRINGE

Me re-reading Peterson today at age 28
>CRINGE AND BLUEPILLED

>>15952981

>>15949377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u3aTURVEC8&t=22s

>>15952401
>he's still trustworthy even if he killed two babies.
Um Yea? It could've been self defense

>>15953333
checked

very poignant and relevant video desu. fat pete was right

>>15947605
He's struggled with mental illness for decades

>>15947384
who is the best mind of the century?

>>15949806
>le r/bad history said the Stalinists didn’t do nuffin so Peterson is illiterate historically
Fuck off

>taking self help youtube influencer seriously.

>>15947363
peak pseud. van gogh didn't even learn how to paint until he was 30 and most of his oeuvre is from a single year

>>15947605
normal is so subjective it loses its meaning

>>15947329
>Me today at age 28
>totally annexed into the channel hivemind

>>15954035
craft=/=ideas
brainlet

>>15947541

>>15951287
>Daddy gave me an important job!
>I'm so special and smart!

Why does this harmless self-help man make /lit/ seethe so much?

>>15947329
I'm more curious how somewhat intelligent people can even fall for snakeoil salesman like him.

As someone who grew up without a daddy, I feel I should be the perfect audience of an contrarian e-dad who goes with "facts over feelz" or however he was marketed but taking him even semi-seriously seems impossible. The voice alone just screams cringe.

>>15951567

He is literally Goldstein from 1984; a member of the Inner Party (that is, he's a tenured professor and UN speaker), supposedly a traitor and the most egregious existential enemy to the Inner Party, but in reality is entirely propped up as a Two Minutes Hate boogeyman for the Inner Party, while also serving as a siphon for any would-be dissidents against the party line to gather around and render themselves conspicuous.

>>15954674
This video is supposedly Peterson at his best (clips reposted on Twitter by the millions). Yet it contains the hallmarks of Peterson's rhetoric which appeals to young men without actually having any substance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s

Watch it. Notice how implicit in every statement is something that makes young men feel better about themselves. Notice how he dismisses actual valid criticisms with phrases like 'good luck with that' and 'not for long *smirk*' -- this is a classic way he makes himself the 'common sense man' without actually having to respond to his critics. Notice how half of what he says is extremely vague so that he never has to defend himself ('that's not what I meant'). When he does make a point, it is always the easy point: 'you are richer than 99.99% of people in history' (this supposedly supports his argument against higher taxes). But the number one thing that stands out in this interview is that the interviewer is a very one-dimensional feminist, the kind that is labelled 'SJW'. Peterson NEVER debates reasonable people. It's always 'crazy feminist' or 'dumb liberal'.

He has truly figured out how to make others think he is intelligent.

12 rules for life is already 5 years old?!?

>>15947329
i don't know that feel because i immediately sensed the cringe
i instinctively avoid cringe, simple as

>>15955494
>implying there's such a thing as a dumb liberal
Even the worst of us is better than fucking Peterson

>>15955539
Peterson is also a liberal
Stop using liberal the incorrect American way or go back

>>15951219
Not the guy you’re replying to but I’ve never been hospitalised for drug addiction.

>>15954674
Because you're a good person who appreciates and loves your mom for raising you all by herself. Peterson unironically appeals to ungrateful people who hate women even when a woman was the only person kind enough to take care of them.

>>15947363
>Intellectual development is a lot like the elo trench in Starcraft or Dota, only so much man hours before your ability crystallizes to a point of diminishing returns and while reform is perhaps possible, it is rarely ever done successfully.
That is actually a very reasonable comparison to make.

t. perpetually Legend V

>>15955494
>He has truly figured out how to make others think he is intelligent.
Only if someone's understanding of intelligent is as narrow as "never admit wrong and remain cool and deflect when confronted by criticism." ... and sure, many people think that way but that it works on young men who value the aspects he presents about himself is just comical. "Young men are actually the oppressed ones" is just such a paternalistic take and the younger me would zone out and assume it's just some faggot who wants to sell me something or make me join his cult; I'd rather hear "man the fuck up", from my e-daddy.

Guess the gamefy basic stuff aspect of his book is decent approach, and there is some valuable advice mixed in like "valuing small moments" but it's also so overflowing with dumb shit, shit's hard to take seriously.

>>15955564
>who appreciates and loves your mom for raising you all by herself.
Ehh. Maybe in the most basic sense as in "it's better than being an orphan" or "well, she genuinely tried". Hell, I even had a misogyny phase at 14-15 (only aimed at female authority figures lol) but feels like it was mainly to provoke a reaction.

>>15955619
>Ehh. Maybe in the most basic sense as in "it's better than being an orphan" or "well, she genuinely tried". Hell, I even had a misogyny phase at 14-15 (only aimed at female authority figures lol) but feels like it was mainly to provoke a reaction.
Then you're a piece of shit just like Peterson. Real men love women and love their mom, specially if they were single moms.

>>15955564
>>15955635
How do you even remember to breathe?

>>15955635
Why should I love anyone based on gender, or in case of my mom based on her decision to get knocked up?

Sure, I can appreciate that she tried to make the best out of a shitty situation but why should stop me from also acknowledging that she didn't do a great job at it?

It's like having some kid draw something for you. Sure, it's a kid and their first drawing. But it also sucks. You can thank the kid for doing it but also remind them that they should practice.

>>15955673
Wow. You just can’t stop hating women can you?

>>15955681
Aww man, for a second I really thought you might be someone with a rare viewpoint on this shithole, not just a basic baiter.

Let’s just be clear for a second, if you criticise a woman, you hate women. If you do not think women are brilliant, you hate women.

>>15955673
You know how much effort it takes to raise a kid alone? Yes. You should love her for it. Even if she didn't give you the best childhood, and I'm sure she did her best, she still put all the effort when she didn't have to. Don't be so fucking ungrateful. You should pick your phone right now, call her, and tell her you love her for everything she did for you, even if sometimes you felt it wasn't enough, because it was.
>>15955681
Don't pretend to be me.
>>15955693
That wasn't mean.

>>15955712
Stop marginalising women. That you would suggest it’s noteworthy or praiseworthy that a woman could raise a child is offensive.

>>15955712
>You know how much effort it takes to raise a kid alone?
Dumb bitch did not have to raise a kid alone. Your argument is invalid.

>>15950522
wasn't it Erick Weinstein's idea?

>>15951760
Stephen Hicks started the postmodern Neo-Marxism thing, pointing out that the postmodernists were all communists who essentially did the philosophical version of sticking fingers in your ears to defend their untenable ideology.

>>15955712
>I'm sure she did her best, she still put all the effort when she didn't have to
Which I already acknowledged. Although the "didn't have to" part is a bit more complex. Besides, it's not like even she disagrees with me that she sucks at parenting. We have a pretty good relationship that allows "mom, you did great in your circumstances" and "mom, this parenting thing isn't your forte".

>>15955722
She kinda did. Dad became a druggy, tried recovering from it a few times, relapsed a few more times. And his own childhood wasn't exactly material for model parent, so even when he was around and clean, he didn't do much.

>>15955712
Stop defending single motherhood you degenerate. It's nothing short of child abuse.

>>15952306
Siempre me ha causado gracia la forma en que ustedes terminan con una economía en ruina a causa de los peronistas pero, aún así, los siguen eligiendo. Cuando la inflación llega a niveles insostenibles eligen a alguien fiscalmente rrsponsable, para luego volver a los peronistas porque muh gibs. ¿Acaso nadie en el país entiende que, con el tamaño de la economía argentina, no es posible dar todos esos gibs si no es imprimiendo dinero como locos? En fin... buena suerte. Es una lástima ver a un país tan bello degradándose año a año por culpa del populismo.

>>15955760
Single motherhood isn't even the issue. Hell, even the monetary side of it isn't as long the basics are covered. It just takes the right person to be a good parent and generally someone more "alpha" or at least being able to wing it and give the impression they know what they are doing. My mom was obviously making it up on the fly and sticking with the dumb shit she learned from her parents, which isn't too confidence inducing.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

>>15955796
Even if someone was as good as possible (highly unlikely if they got divorced, but possible if a widower) they just can't be two different people at once. The mother and father roles are different and trying to be both just fucks everything up.

>>15955804
What the point of the roles in the first place? A competent parent could provide both functions just fine – funny enough pretty much every one of her single mother friends did. (One unironically became a widow, the other also had husbands turning to drugs, one became aggressive alcoholic after his business failed)

In a most basic sense, all it takes is providing security at home (including emotional stability), encouragement/advice, and a touch of role model aspect.

>>15955829
They can't, not even close. Which is why children of single mothers do far worse on every metric of social success. You are vastly underestimating the importance and nuance of masculine and feminine personality.

>>15955842
>Which is why children of single mothers do far worse on every metric of social success.
If one doesn't include the economic side. Once it's considered, it tends to be same.

And with the actual examples I mentioned, all of the kids are doing more than fine. The only consistent factor was a very rough puberty on steroids phase which none of the folks with two parents I know had to such an extreme.

>>15955860
It's not just economics. They do worse in school, they're more likely to go to prison, more likely to have suicidal thoughts, more likely to have a drug addiction, etc. These things are horrible and you're wiping it off as no big deal. Possibly as a cope, it took me a while to see the damage from being raised by divorced parents after all.

>>15947650
This, combined being against white identitarianism is the reason I hate his guts.

>>15950509
This

>>15955872
>They do worse in school, they're more likely to go to prison, more likely to have suicidal thoughts, more likely to have a drug addiction, etc
Due getting less attention/time, due economical factors. Once studies control for that and have a single parent with same high household income as two, results are pretty much the same sans there was a nasty divorce or the likes.
>Possibly as a cope, it took me a while to see the damage from being raised by divorced parents after all.
For me it was pretty obvious since I was 9 or so. (Though funny enough at least from the stuff you listed, only suicidal thoughts checks out) It's not about denying how shitty it was for me but pointing out more important factors, like the individual parent in question or the economic situations they were in.

>>15952089
now this is some real cringe

>>15952841
>thinks nepotism doesn't make you superior
lol look at this cope

>>15955829
>What the point of the roles in the first place?
They align with biological differences between men and women.

>>15955681
>>15955712
>implying that you should be grateful for being forced into existence which is a state of suffering until the very end, and somehow your parents are not responsible for anything

Women shouldn't be praised for raising a child because that reinforces their role as mothers. We should be praising women for reaching career/academic/political heights, and encouraging them AWAY from homemaking etc.

>>15956019
>>15955927
Stop trolling.

>>15955962
Yeah, such a shame dad didn't show me how to jerk off and I had to learn it from some girl on MSN.

>>15950509
I could see the appeal of communism, ancap, fascism shit if you have the right mindset for it but how fucking retarded do you have to be to become a monarchist? It's such a fucking braindead, unreliable system.

>>15956209
From what I read from some monarchists, it's a sort of appeal to traditions which is supposed to create extra stability. They were constitutional monarchists though, and I can't say their Nordic examples or even UK are that bad.

>>15947329
>thinking Peterson as smart at 23
Holy shit I thought this guy was geared towards edgy teenagers

>>15956209
Read Hoppe and look into Korwin and you will understand their arguments.

>>15955494
he's a fucking brainlet. he's so dense that he doesn't realize this entire fucking society is only held together by all the technology/science that goes into sustaining it, not some retarded sense of "patriarchy" or 'social hierarchy'. It is only by accident that sometimes the desire to attain social status of one individual via working and thus improving his financial situation is actually the 'cause' for this big wonderful society. Almost never because every fucking time the hardest work that goes into inventing something was done by some guy who didn't give a shit about politics or social status as peterson put it. without a tiny bit of fancy math that makes all the technology and infrastructure possible, this whole society would rapidly go down the other end just like the ones before. there's nothing special about it. 'patriarchy' (who the fuck knows what he really means by that) is holding shit together

>>15955927
80% of rapists grew up without a father figure. I'm sure it's just because economic reasons.

>>15947546
>a fucking nobody
lol, coming from someone who posts anonymously on a Mongolian cave painting forum.

>>15948492
me too Anon

>>15956565
Mosts (caught) criminals come from lower classes. And generally it's a lot more likely that very poor households have one parent in jail. Since men tend to commit more crimes, it's more likely to be the father.

Seems like a much more likely chain than "no daddy, grows up to be a rapist". Besides, hey it even lowers the risk the kid is getting raped, since fathers tend to do that too way, way more often than mothers.

>>15947329
>Me re-reading Peterson today at age 28

i already knew he wasn´t the guy who pretented to be at the age 20, how embarrassing of you OP

>>15956624
>Mosts (caught) criminals come from lower classes. And generally it's a lot more likely that very poor households have one parent in jail. Since men tend to commit more crimes, it's more likely to be the father.
What the fuck are you talking about? Rape is transversal trough all classes and statistics show you're far more likely to be a rapist if you grew without a father figure, regardless of your economic class.

>>15956654
>Rape is transversal trough all classes and statistics show you're far more likely to be a rapist if you grew without a father figure, regardless of your economic class.
source?

>>15956654
Rapists are ungrateful machitos who hate their mother instead the men that left them. If you love women you don't rape. Simple as that.

>>15956703
>If you love women you don't rape
t. non-rapist

>>15956654
t. Tucker Carlson viewer

Imagine being this fucking brainwashed. I bet you also think toxic masculinity is a made up thing to emasculate men and that there's no racism in america.

>>15956654
You won't post a source then? Yeah, I thought so. I unironically hope you get beaten for the ignorant bullshit you're saying. Having opinions is fine, but spreading ignorance is not.

>>15947439
>blah blah blah Jung
so Gnosticism, ergo Satan
glad we agree, case closed

>>15948492
The whole hatred with Peterstein is due to this perception that a self-help guru peddling mythopoetic rhetoric is wadding out of his expertise in the muddled swamp of modern politics adding more muck and garbage in the already messed up arena.

Also he's a hypocrite who hasn't cleaned his room.

>>15956061
NICE!

>>15956735
Not him, but can you imagine a world without the "toxic masculinity"? Also americans are more likely to accept a neighbor of different race, is almost canada there

>>15958926
Based France

>>15958926
>can you imagine a world without the "toxic masculinity"?
Not him, but why not? It's already getting more rare even among much older men and it's simply an idiotic outlook.

A world without misogyny is harder to imagine though since men and women have actual physical differences … unless we go with body modifications somewhere in longterm future.

>>15959206
world without misogyny is fine by me, if everyone want to compete on equal ground and a woman shows to be the better player then by all means reward her, there are already womans who are CEOs and presidents, but they earned it, just don't ask everybody to not try to be competitive. If you want a world were something is gained without merit or where you try to impose your visions nobody asked you for then, good luck with that.

>>15952001
>have bad takes
>get beaten for it
Antifeminist women unironically deserve to get beaten. Let's see if they still hate feminism so much after that.

>>15947451
u fell for his rhetoric at 23?
that's sad desu

>>15947329
>>that's soo true trad women best women
Are you me? What's your favourite book?

>>15951701
>>15952306
>live in a country that doesn't bend to american imperialism nor to neoliberalism
>a country that guarantees everyone has free college and free healthcare
>still whine because rich people have to share their wealth
What the fuck? Yes. It's surprising your country isn't used more often as an example of leftism and progressive policies. It should be an example for everyone that a country doesn't need to be neoliberal for people to live well no matter their social class.

>>15956565
Are you unironically blaming single mothers and not the men that father kids and then leave them? Fuck you

>>15947380
You do know that Christ doesn't actually exist right?

>>15947439
All of that only makes sense within the context of a lapsed faith. Someone who was raised in Christianity, even as a small child, might embrace a subconscious faith in the process of delving into the origins of who they are as a person. But there's zero, zip reason to pick one religion over another, or any at all, if you have no emotional attachment to it.

ITT

endless ad hominems

>>15961434
wow I’m having a very unexpected intellectual breakthrough!! tell me more schlomo

>>15947329
>he read Peterson at all
sorry still a dumb fuck, and forever will be a fucking dumbass, and you only stopped reading him because he has fallen out of fashion.

>>15953880

>>15953880
There's not a single one. Different great minds for different fields. But in politics, Chomsky. No doubt.

>>15962345
LMAO Chomsky got blown out by a nigger.

>>15947439
Peterson preaches evolution and evolutionary psychology
proposes we are monkies programmed by our experiences...
A materialist attempting to be a mystic lol

>>15948492
because these are basic things of life and Peterson kid view them as a high ideal

>>15956309
>Korwin
>He believes that women are, on average, less intelligent than men, citing chess results to back up his claims.[13][14] Also, he cites Margaret Thatcher as his political model.[15][16][17] He also stated that the difference between rape and consensual sex is very subtle,[18] even going as far as saying that "Were you to understand woman's nature, sir, you would know that there is an element of rape in every sexual intercourse".[19] He further claimed that: "there is a hypothesis that the attitudes of men are passed to women they sleep with".[20]
HOLY BASED

>>15947329
He's right about stuff that should be obvious. He's insensible with regards to everything else.

He's a great front cover that tricks you into thinking he's a book.

>>15952001
Didn't Chile had a right wing dictatorship not too long ago ... which like murdered people for opposing views? If someone still didn't get the memo and supports that shit, she should be thankful people let her experience the joys of good old times.

She the equivalent of an idiot in South Africa who goes "hey, maybe apartheid wasn't too bad".

I always thank him once in a while, rather than always thinking about my shitty father who left me without advices

>>15963851
So you're saying they should become a one party nation and silence anyone with conservative views, no matter how moderate, because of something that happened 50 years ago? Should ex communist countries do the same and silence any leftist opinion because of what happened too? People naturally lean towards conservative or liberal views. It's unhealthy for a nation not to let a group of people express their ideas.

>Me reading Peterson 5 years ago
I don't believe you were reading Peterson 5 years ago.

>>15964089
>Should ex communist countries do the same and silence any leftist opinion because of what happened too?
No, because they would be ungrateful bitches. Say whatever you want but communism made those countries better and if it failed was because the people ran to capitalism's arms the moment they had the chance. All those ex soviet union countries are right wing as fuck now anyway, which tells you everything you need to know about them. When people talk about the "failure" of communism they should talk instead of how people failed communism. It obviously wasn't going to last if the same people it was trying to help was trying to undermine it.

>>15955607
It's not tho. People just don't know how to learn actively. The "trench" is just how good you can get without doing an metacognitive shit.


>t. diamond in sc2 for 3 years, then ranked up to high masters / low gm in 3 months

>>15947797
Anyone with 120+ IQ can deduce his faulty reasoning and spend a few minutes fact checking what he says with an internet search. You really have no excuse.

Also I'm 28 and I barely remember hearing his name at 23, maybe that was right around when the trans controversy came about and he did a few streams that were more reasonable than his tours. I'm guessing that you actually bought this shit at 25 or 26.

>>15947329
>same self help guru drivel that been printed in every self help guru book for the last 4 decades, but written to appeal to alt right incels
>alt right incels spend their lives on the internet, so by appealing to them they’ll meme you into relevance
Wonder if he thought of this strat consciously or just was lucky to find the niche

>>15964089
Where is everyone silenced? She's getting the authentic right-wing Chile experience sans being jailed and murdered for her views. She should be thankful people let her relieve her cuckservative dreams without ruining the entire country again.

>Should ex communist countries do the same and silence any leftist opinion because of what happened too?
They generally do if enough of the population hates the previous ideas.. Just a decent part of the boomer population who still remembers even failed communism wants it back, even in right wing shitholes like Russia.

> Life is hard you just have to deal with it, bucko! Slay the dragon!!

He says while jacked on benzos because life was apparently TOO hard. Now that he's back from his addiction he had the nerve to claim that he didn't know benzos are addictive and just blindly took them as his doctor recommended...

Just to reiterate, a fucking PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR claimed he didn't know the one of the most commonly prescribed psychiatric medications of the past 50 years was addictive, and apparently he couldn't spend the required 3 minutes to google it anyways.

He's either a disingenuous liar (he is), or the fucking shittiest psych prof in the history of the universe. I'd be willing to bet every entry level psych textbook has at least a small blurb regarding benzos, their mechanism of action and their incredibly documented side effects.

I'd also bet my life savings that he's still on them now.

Oh an besides all that all you need to do is look at his absolute trainwreck of a daughter to realize that maybe he isn't the best person to take life advice from.

>>15964216
He did it consciously. The man is a grifter. The problem is not that he's dumb or uneducated or that he shouldn't be part of academia to begin with. All those things are true but there are plenty of not so smart academics and intellectuals that are still tolerable because they have their morals in the right place. The problem with Peterson is simply that he's a bad person. When society was changing as a whole to fight oppression and to defend and empower the people who has always been treated like shit, this guy instead say, no, hold on, the real victims are white young men and fuck everyone else. And why? Because he knew there's money in telling people what they want to hear. He know all of those guys will give him money so he tell them they are the real victims here, that they don't have to work with themselves to make the world a better place for the people who are the actual victims. You believe Peterson believes his bullshit? He may be midwit but he isn't that dumb. He's a psychologist using his degree to scam dumb people and tell them they are good boys.

>>15964267
Yes, his absolutely whorish pursuit of selling his persona for money is obvious proof that he doesn't know or care about the hollow garbage he's spewing.

>>15964250
>He's either a disingenuous liar (he is), or the fucking shittiest psych prof in the history of the universe.
Why can't he be both?

He seems like a prime example of someone with huge issues who projects the shit on the world and deluded himself into thinking he has the answer for others. Or going by his words, "wanting to change the world but not cleaning his room first".

>>15964186
>>15964242
Unironically based. Fuck chuds. More and more people are starting to realize there's nothing wrong about beating them. They didn't like being tolerant? Well, let's see if they like it when we stop being tolerant with them then.

didnt peterson only come on the scene in 2016/17

>>15964258
He probably has been fucking the little slut for years. No wonder she's a trainwreck now.

>>15964278
>Why can't he be both?
True. I can't believe he would have the nerve to say that he didn't know what benzos do. You would think that would be career suicide for any 'expert', but it's psychology sooooo

Imagine your mechanic saying 'turbocharger? I've never heard of it and have no idea how it works. I'm tenured by the way!!"

>>15964322
I mean, yeah, the specific example is probably a lie but he wouldn't be the first person who is technically an expert in a field but then brainfucked himself with ideology and spreads total shit. Our brains are amazing enough to allow views that contradict our knowledge.

>>15964349
>Our brains are amazing enough to allow views that contradict our knowledge.
That doesn't justify him for being a fanatic with an stupid and backward worldview though

>>15964375
And it certainly doesn't justify him not knowing anything about some of the most widely prescribed drugs in his field. Again, he's clearly lying about that but it almost makes it worse.

>>15958926
>Can you imagine a world where every man embraces his anima
Yes, and it's beautiful, brother.

>>15964288
Don't you realize the only reason you can glorify your violence is that other people aren't as violent as you, and still expect peaceful discourse? You're getting away with it for now, but eventually people will catch up and it will only escalate. Is that what you are striving for and if so, why?

>>15964897
>tolerate intolerant ideology, allowing them to fester and risk way more violence
>fight cancer with cancer and possibly avoid it spreading too much
Option 1 might work in more stable countries but in one that experienced conservative horrors only recently, it's just not too realistic.