/lit/ - Literature

>>15936721
where you got that pic?
i didnt know they had such sophisticated GUIs in the mid 90s

>>15936758
>where
internet

>>15936721
I hate the overused cope meme but if there is one instance were its use is justified is this goddamn quote.

>>15936969
kek

>>15936721
It's a comfy job, I don't know what your deal is or how you could perceive it as suffering.

>>15937024
eveyone in this board is an edgy faggot who thinks having any normal job is equal to being on a slave ship
>inb4 nice goy
>inb4 wagie cope

its all so tiresome bros

What's so wrong with this?

500 years ago their ancestors would be literally toiling in fields, during blistering heat and heavy rain, to pick crops for barely any money. These guys work 9-5 in a room with regulated temperature, earning a lot of money (relatively speaking, both historically and globally) and at the end of the day they have 5-6 hours of free time. By the 2010's they are probably only working 4 days in the office and 1 day at home, and by the 2020s many will be working remotely full-time.

>>15937024
It isn't comfy at all. You lack privacy, autonomy and purpose. I was much happier working from home as a contractor working on dynamic tasks with the majority of initiative coming from myself, and I was also happier working as an independent (although I found this stressful and ultimately too demanding). But being a wagie is mental first and foremost, and if your personal life and health doesn't suffer, you have nothing to worry about.

It sucks, but why don't they just do something else. Join an army, learn a trade, go find enlightenment in India, etc... If you're in this long term you deserve it.

>>15937063
>You lack privacy
Don't tell me you browse 4chan while working or something
>autonomy
Yes, I suppose. The same could be said of most jobs though, and this kind I find to be the least exhausting
>purpose
I would never derive purpose from what I do for sustainability/monetary gain. I find my purpose in other things.

>>15936758
There was plenty of sophisticated software and guis long before windows 95. Pic related is 89.

>>15937048
one must imagine Sisyphus happy

>le wagecuck
be actually happy that there are some people out there doing the hard work
a society needs firefighters/plumbers/sewer workers
neets are just leeches

>>15937093
>dude waiting in traffic is literally hell brah

>>15937085
You're taking privacy too literally. I'm talking about having to deal with coworkers bothering you, superiors micromanaging you, having to share scarce resources, etc.

Contrast the boring office job with work that involves socializing with people in a way that enriches your personal life or work that allows you to keep learning while on the job, and it's clear which is preferable.

>>15937096
People on this board never had to endure any serious difficulty in life so they think waiting in traffic is the equivalent of nihilism because it helps them cope with the fact they can never find anything fulfilling in life

>>15937136
>I'm talking about having to deal with coworkers bothering you, superiors micromanaging you, having to share scarce resources, etc.
These are mild inconveniences at best.

>>15937063
Imagine complaining about having a job.
Fuck off faggot

>>15937153
one must imagine Sisyphus happy

>>15937160
>>15937153
T zoomers. Enjoy putting up with it until you are in your 60s

>>15937153
"your life is bad, bud it can be even worse" isn't a very optimistic view.

>>15937181
Thanks, I will. I've worked a lot of jobs (factory work, retail, call center, delivery) and office work is the comfiest of them all.

>>15937091
Holy shit Windows really was behind it´s times !
this looks like between Win2000 and XP

>>15937160
So? They're inconveniences you don't have to deal with when you are self-employed or valuable to your employer.

>>15937166
Imagine feeling grateful for having a job. Grow some talents and others will be grateful to have you work for them. It's from this position that you're able to negotiate yourself to work that isn't unpleasant at best like the typical office function.

>>15937184
>Has a job
>Thinks his life is bad
you seem to have the mindset of a faggot

>>15937172
literally what is wrong with that image? I swear this board is filled with such privileged faggots. I don't hate privileged people btw, I just want them to realize that complaining about having a job/living in a capitalist world is only a worry of the privileged

>>15937196
Fuck off faggot, go and complain to your mom then.

>>15937203
>>15937213
t. bitter neets who can't even find a job at McDonalds

>>15937206
define "privileged"

>>15937228
>define "privileged"

Reminder that midwits like you are a cancer on society

>all these bugmen defending their self-inflicted slavery
announcing downsizing feels so good
like a firecracker in a crab bucket

>>15936721
Does Camus ever say anything on 'false happiness'? Did he say if Sisyphus was truly happy or if Sisyphus deceived himself into thinking he was happy as a coping mechanism?

>>15937236
great reply

you can fuck off now thanks

>>15937219
t. thinks the whole world is North America

>>15937250
seethe

>>15937030
>>15937094
The point is a lot of this work doesn't need to be done

>>15937248
I think that the fact that Sisyphus never gives up and just keeps on rolling the bolder up implies that he is content with doing it

>>15937153
Any idiot can face a crisis; it’s this day-to-day living that wears you out

>>15937203
You sounds like someone with an enormously sad and bitter life, so why should we listen to you.

Imagine being such a soft, privileged faggot that you call having an office job Sisyphean. Oh no the drudgery, woe is me. There's no tragedy here, unless you include the attempt to portray it as such.

>>15937269
you can't be serious my nigga

>>15937248
There is no such thing as false happiness, except when referring to deceiving others

>>15937272
If you live in hell, it will not help to realize that there are many levels of hell behind you.

>>15937269
You are truly a modern day Greek tragedy, I will never forget your sacrifice

>>15937272
I'm an artist with a very flexible lifestyle. I can go on vacation whenever I want. Really, the only thing that is waking me up in the morning is my choice to do so. So pretty much any job is wageslavery to me. There is a tragedy here: the wageslaves who have deluded themselves into thinking there's nothing wrong with OP's picture.

>>15937288
>office jobs are hell
How fucking sheltered are you? I bet you're the kind of guy who could be given the most blissful of lives and you would still find something to complain about. Believe it or not, suffering IS absolutely quantifiable, and it's your lack of suffering that allows you to think like this.

>>15937297
Ironic for an artist to have such an uncreative worldview

>>15937288
>>15937297
I hope you people get brutally put on your knees by life and then try to say having an office job is the equivalent of being Sysyphus

Unironically kys

Whenever there's a thread like this everyone suddenly starts pretending that they're really happy

>>15937308
Once again, if there are unsheltered people who suffer unimaginable tortures, that does not make your smaller woes any better (and also does not make "sheltered" a bad word, quite opposite)

>>15937309
>>15937319
>can do whatever I want whenever I want
>the only person im making money for is myself and not some corporate overlord

>somehow I'm wrong

>>15937320
>NOOOO YOU CANT BE HAPPY, YOU'RE JUST COPING BRO NOOO

>>15937330
>wojakposting
yeah

>>15937329
I didnt mean that anon, being self employed is always better than to be employed for a jew overlord, but its the people that complain about having a comfy job that I hate

>>15937308
Both office workers and medieval peasants will grow old, decay physically and mentally and die. Sure, office workers may live several decades more, but that does not change anything in the long run.

>>15937319
Anon, if you are a tortured sufferer loser, that just means that your life sucks. It does not give you any profound revelations or wisdom.

>>15937308
>I bet you're the kind of guy who could be given the most blissful of lives and you would still find something to complain about.
That's literally all humans ever. Are you 12? Have you ever read anything written by any human being ever?

>>15937320
It's because they still think they can get something out of the system. No, -I- can become a billionaire, easily, YOU just want to take that away from me because you're UNGRATEFUL!

>>15937329
Clearly the best and only way to be happy in this world is your one specific vision. The sheer irony of such a viewpoint complaining about drones.

>>15936721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wczkA_cULYk

>>15937323
>if there are people who are dying of starvation, that does not make the fact that you're hungry sometimes any better

>>15937320
I wouldn't say that I am the epitome of personal happiness, but at least I'm not some ungrateful prick who thinks an easy job with some inconveniences is comparable to some sort of overwhelming suffering

>>15937355
>Clearly the best and only way to be happy in this world is your one specific vision

>>15937358
>>if there are people who are dying of starvation, that does not make the fact that you're hungry sometimes any better
That's literally and obviously true.

>>15937339
Everyone grows and dies, you idiot. That doesn't exclude the fact that some lives are objectively better than others.

>>15937358
Oh, so you think about it in terms of "grateful" and "ingrateful"? Who should you be grateful to?

>>15937354
>Have you ever read anything written by any human being ever?
no, we're on /lit/ buddy

>>15937358
>thinks an easy job with some inconveniences is comparable to some sort of overwhelming suffering
No one in this thread said this. You're projecting your own insecurities onto others because you know that they're right, you just think that you personally can get ahead in a system designed from the ground up to prevent that.

>>15937367
Except it isn't. When I feel hungry I don't think I'm some malnourished african kid biting down on his fingers, nor do I believe our "suffering" is comparable

>>15937375
>Everyone grows and dies, you idiot.
Yes, you retard. That was literally stated in >>15937339 you dunce.
>That doesn't exclude the fact that some lives are objectively better than others.
That also was stated in >>15937339 you silly thing. Can you even read?

>>15937389
>When I feel hungry I don't think I'm some malnourished african kid biting down on his fingers
Do you think that the african kid has some deep wisdom?
>comparable
If some values differ, that does not mean that they are incomparable. The fact that we can compare them makes them comparable.

>>15937376
Grateful that I have a pleasant life with the least amount of pain, a good family, and enough time to satisfy both basic needs and artistic sensibilities. What a hellish life I lead, huh?

>>15937401
Grateful to whom?

>>15937400
>Do you think that the african kid has some deep wisdom?
He isn't allowed to have wisdom given his circumstances. I do. That alone makes my life better than his.
>The fact that we can compare them makes them comparable.
Ok, I'll change that to "equivalent". Satisfied?

>>15937355
>Clearly the best and only way to be happy in this world is your one specific vision.
Correct.

>>15937404
Just grateful.

>>15937401
Good for you. Why does that mean that others aren't allowed to try and live lives wherein they can have those same things?

>>15937407
>He isn't allowed to have wisdom given his circumstances. I do. That alone makes my life better than his.
That's great, your life is better than his. What does that exactly refute?
>Ok, I'll change that to "equivalent". Satisfied?
Ok, they are not equivalent. Now what?

I unironically believe that my need to get a job to survive is comparable to being a slave to someone else, yes.

>>15937413
Just grateful to whom?

>>15937425
holy cringe

>>15937425
Based.

>>15937416
I never said they couldn't or shouldn't. I just think that the assertion that a life like mine can be considered "hellish" or "riddled with misery" for the simple fact that some, even if it's miniscule form of suffering exists in it (as so many anons here do) to be ridiculous.

>>15937425
It is. Corporate overlords will try to convince you otherwise.

This a position some posters ITT seriously proclaim.

>>15937418
>That's great, your life is better than his. What does that exactly refute?
You said in this post >>15937323
>"if there are unsheltered people who suffer unimaginable tortures, that does not make your smaller woes any better"
Have you changed your mind, then?

>>15937320
y-y-yeah im lovin' it™, no retirement for me...

>>15937440
Per >>15937339 >>15937375 >>15937391 it is actually hellish, although some lives may be more hellish than others.

>>15937030
>having any normal job is equal to being on a slave ship

It is if you work retail or fast food desu. I'd like to be an office cuck so bad right now. The movie Office Space is hard to watch because those assholes don't know how good they have it. I know they were all gonna get fired anyway, but that's just a plot point to get the story moving.

>>15936721
I would rather kill myself than be a fucking wage slave.
I wish I was born in a welfare state.

>>15937459
No,
>if there are unsheltered people who suffer unimaginable tortures, that does not make your smaller woes any better
is still perfectly true, and your previous posts does not refute that in any way.

>>15937024
I’ve worked in setups like this. You get used to it but cubicles are really a lot better. Bitchy faggots who didn’t even work in them (like the people who made Office Space) really fucked everybody by implying an “open floorplan” is better.
Plus a lot of what makes any setup comfy is the fact that you can use headphones all day, but people in this pic obviously couldn’t.
But there’s always plenty of outdoors work available if people really wanted it

>tfw you could have got rich from something as stupid as mining bitcoin but you have 40+ years of wagie life to look forward to instead

>>15937471
You said yourself that my woes were better than the former's.

>>15937463
Yeah I was working my first job after college when I saw that movie and I had a 30 minute lunch at an office too secluded to go anywhere and a timecard I had to keep up.
10 minutes into the movie they all just fuck off to a restaurant for an hour I remember being mad jealous

Camus is unironically retarded.

>>15937460
jesus
terrifying image

>>15937191
Windows was intended for a wider market of home users, and NS was mainly for business and education, so it cost more.

>>15937481
>that does not make your smaller woes any better
does not mean "any better than someone's else woes", that means "any better compared to itself before I knew another suffering person". If you know someone healthier or more sick than you that does not change your health too.

>>15937401
Shut up you humblebrag retard noone cares. I’m grateful for my job too but it doesn’t mean I can’t empathize with people doing shitty work and living their lives for 14 days off a year with absolutely no guarantee their situation won’t decline because of circumstances totally beyond their control

>>15937460
Is that a graph for women?

>one must imagine Sisyphus happy

>I hate this fast growing tendency to chain men to machines in big factories and deprive them of all joy in their efforts — the plan will lead to cheap men and cheap products.
Richard Wagner

>>15937296
It's too mundane and banal to be tragic, that's the very tragedy of it

>>15937549
Stop being so grumpy, Wagner! Things could always be worse!

>>15937354
>No, -I- can become a billionaire, easily, YOU just want to take that away from me because you're UNGRATEFUL!
That’s really what 99% of all the corporate dicksucking and all the bragging in these thread revolves around.
Ditto people unironically arguing in favor of strict copyright laws.

>>15937510
>I can’t empathize with people doing shitty work and living their lives for 14 days off a year with absolutely no guarantee their situation won’t decline because of circumstances totally beyond their control
I never said you couldn't. I'm saying that people who think having an office job is a Sisyphian tragedy are fucking retarded.

>>15937558
Yes, for example medieval peasants had it worse.

>>15937569
They unironically did.

>>15937564
No, it's pretty sensible.

>>15937564
what kind of literature do you enjoy? which writers?

>>15937575
I wonder, what constitutes *not* living a Sisyphian tragedy to you?

>>15937557
I was expecting this exact pathetic "self-effacing" response

>>15937573
I agree. It's just that "current lives of humans are hellish" and "in the past they were more hellish" are both true and do not contradict each other in any way.

>>15937586
Oh, boy, here comes the internet psychoanalyst. Piss off.

how out of touch are the people on this board for fucks sake

Im actually glad that I have a comfy IT office job and dont have to wake up at 6 a.m for some retail/warehouse hell
>b-but muh corporate slavery
if you arent spending your money like a retard and have some basic personal finance knowledge you can quit your work at any time you want and always look for something else

>>15937564
Yeah but all those jobs are comfy because a long time ago a bunch of people decided working 12 hours a day, 6 days a week was bullshit. Even though there were people around them telling them how good they have it.

>>15936721
Congrats for being yet another retard who can't even understand fucking Camus of all people to not understand.

>>15937599
It's no use. To these people not being a slave is just doing what gives you those dopamine pumps non-stop.

>>15937596
>i don't read
fair enough

>>15937599
americunts are at it again

>>15937588
Owning a couple of planets, having a perfect cyborg body and a robocatgirl harem.
>but that's sci-fi
Alas without sci-fi you can't make your life unsisyphian.

>>15937614
If only we understood Camus as well as you do

>>15937616
"to be happy you need to enjoy your life" will not stop being true if you will use some chemistry terms you don't even understand.

>>15937629
How would you achieve any of these things without the kind of work you would consider to be Sisyphian in nature?

>>15937425
Based anti-work chad

One must imagine Sisyphus happy

>>15937599
That’s like saying it’s no big deal a broken leg could cost $12k without insurance because Hospitals always eventually write those off anyway and don’t pursue collection.
It’s a courtesy that can disappear overnight, on a whim and whatever security you think you have is really just owed to someone else’s largesse.

>>15937639
You theoretically can, it's just that this process itself will not become good (especially if the result is not guaranteed).

>>15937616
>never hope for anything better.
This is optimism to zoomers

one must imagine Sisyphus happy

>>15937660
Reading all this hieroglyphs is Sisyphic indeed.

>>15937656
So, you realize that to reach a non-Sisyphian life you need to go through a Sisyphian one. Yet you refuse to do Sisyphian work, because well, you ain't no slave to nobody. Following this train of logic, wouldn't that make your idea of non-Sisyphian life inherently unnattainable, even if the prospect of attaining it is there?

one must imagine Sisyphus happy

>>15937681
>So, you realize that to reach a non-Sisyphian life you need to go through a Sisyphian one.
Not necessarily. A medieval peasant can peasant all his life and die. Modern office worker can also office all his life and die (or acquire the sci-fi stuff if the progress will go fast enough). Effort alone is far from enough, circumstances, luck and the direction of the effort are more important.

>>15937722
>Effort alone is far from enough, circumstances, luck and the direction of the effort are more important.
This is true, but if everyone followed your perspective absolutely no work would ever be done. All great civilizations realized that individuals should conceive something higher than themselves if they want the world to be fruitful. In this instance I'm not defending capitalism, I am defending meaningful work.

>>15937755
Almost all people work because without work they get no money and without money their life quality will dip. Important people with enough money to live work for power, respect and fame. Charitable aspect goes the last, probably even after just liking what you do.

I’m so glad I majored in STEM and not the humanities.

In the original myth what will happen is Sisyphus will stop pushing the boulder? Will he be hit with electric shock?

>>15936758
those aren't even drag & drop interfaces nigga, just tiled so you can do a couple things at once

>>15937048
Malformed jaws from not eating solid food

Terrible diets and postures from weakened core muscles

The most memetically wageslaveish country is Japan. It is also the country with the largest life expectancy. Shows you what things are basically memes.

>>15937048
>4 days in the office and 1 day at home, and by the 2020s many will be working remotely full-time.
>what is 2008 financial crisis
>what is unpaid overtime

>>15938004
Yes, modern people also have a purely luxurious diet even compared to the medieval king.

>>15938042
>what's wrong with heroin? it makes you feel good!

I'd much rather work a decent-paying office job than be a broke wagie all my life. This thread just reeks of teenagers who aren't on their own yet.

>>15938056
>what's wrong with heroin?
It will make your life much shorter.

>>15937063
>You lack privacy, autonomy and purpose.
true. it gives me digestive issues not being able to shit in private. you're trying to squeeze out some dried up log using coffee as internal lubricant and some 600 lb guy who you aren't sure how he even walks without his knees simply collapsing in on themselves, comes down and plops on the toilet in the next over stall, and you feel your own toilet BOUNCE and realize the plumbing forms an axel like two front tires on a car. and he unloads his ammunition and your shit that was half coaxed out retreats back into your asshole, so you just hold your breath and go wash your hands and tell yourself, "in another hour when i can take a piss break without my manager barking at me, i'll try to shit again then."

i have to kill myself with an hour commute to sit on a computer in some office tower instead of my own house, sit in freezing cold air conditioning until my fingertips are numb because the obesity epidemic remains yet unaddressed and 65% of my coworkers will surely some day die of diabetes complications, and get the shit raked over me by some asshole with an associate's degree who spends 2/3 of the interactions saying "ummmmmmm, uhhhhhhhh, uhhhhhh, ummmmmmmm," because their 92 IQ is completely overloaded by anything more complicated than a missing 0.

>>15938070
So, you're saying that things that are pleasurable are not inherently good, and indeed can be bad for you?

>>15938139
If a thing is immediately pleasurable, but noticeable reduces your life quality or kills you a bit later, then it is bad.

>>15937683
What am I looking at?

>>15938064
No, I think a lot of the people here are teenagers or college kids who’ve never in their adult lives seen the effects of things like a housing crisis or a corporate scandal.
In a housing crisis they would say shit like “haha dumb wagie shouldn’t have bought a house he can’t afford” but in other circumstances they would say, “hahah dumb consoomer shouldn’t have thrown all his income away on rent; that’s just money down the drain”.
You literally can’t win with these people. Things beyond your control can always fuck you no matter what choices you make. They just arrogantly assume that whatever market they buy in won’t crash, or that whoever they work for will never implode, or that a business they choose to start themselves will never suffer in a contraction.
You can tell because nobody with the emotional maturity of a healthy adult over the age of 22 would ever tell somebody they should be grateful to work in a temperature controlled room.

Looks comfy.

>>15938188
>my life sucks
>therefore people who say that my life sucks are silly
Do you want us to support you emotionally?

>>15937906
based

>>15938152
So then having sugary candy and treats that our peasant ancestors (who would have dined on fish, cheese, yogurt, multiple kinds of bread, eggs, various vegetables, herbs, spices, and meat, as ample historical and archaeological evidence indicates) is not inherently good, and "you can buy reeses cups" isn't actually all that much of a benefit, given that reeses cups are immediately pleasurable and reduce your quality of life.

>>15937589
k

>>15938223
No, my life doesn’t suck. But i’m not gonna qualify my point by outlining my education, work and finances on 4channel because it’s besides the point.
People who don’t think it should be normal and acceptable to try and better your lot are pathetic.

>ITT insects trying to cope with their insect life

>>15938242
> fish, cheese, yogurt, multiple kinds of bread, eggs, various vegetables, herbs, spices, and meat,
As ample historical and archaeological evidence indicate, this stuff was usually unavailable to a large fraction of population (and sometimes they were not able to get even a single thing to eat). But now it is available to everyone. That explains why modern life expectancy is much higher than peasant one. So modernity improves both pleasure and life quality questions.
Of course you are not writing your posts seriously, but what if you are actually projecting and actually don't eat anything except "sugary candy"?

>>15938223
I think the point is that security is more important than air-conditioning and lumbar support for an actual adult

>>15938263
If you want to better your lot, than it's not good for you, and that's what this thread is about. Also if you are forced to choose between two bad things, that's bad for you.

>>15938307
If you are not secure and to get the minimal security you need to deal with discomfort, then how is it good?

>>15938348
>that's what this thread is about.
Where does one find an explanation of the etiquette for responding to a 5-word, off-topic shitpost?

>>15938027
Other than the suicides?

>>15937330
>Wojakposter
>claiming to be happy
Yeah, you’re not fooling anyone bro.

>>15938424
Yes, their suicide is also not memetically sky-high and not even in top 20 compared to other countries. But even in top countries it is irrelevant compared to other death causes.

>>15937085
>I would never derive purpose from what I do for sustainability/monetary gain. I find my purpose in other things.

You just hit the nail on the head and I think this shit trend of "loving" your work is the most deplorable thing the self help gurus sell.

Your purpose has to exist in another aspect of your life. Work is how you fucking put bread on the table.

>>15937454
This. There is always someone who has it worse off than you, it doesn’t delegitimise your own suffering. Everything is relative, but your own phenomenology is absolute.

>>15938306
No, it wasn't. Could they eat certain items year round? Certainly not, but to say that fucking cheese was unavailable to "a large fraction of the population" or to imply that peasants were constantly starving apes wallowing in the mud is just flat out wrong. It's ahistorical nonsense.

You're creating an artificial past to justify the present. Of course, everything today is good and special and nice because the past was absolutely god awful and everything sucked and everyone was in pain and there was nothing good because you've axiomatically defined it as such.

Have you ever considered that the people who are trying to sell you garbage don't have your best interests at heart? Why would you trust someone trying to sell you something to tell you about why you should buy it? Of course we should gorge ourselves on sugary garbage, who cares that it's bad for you, people in "The Past" couldn't have it. Yeah, they couldn't give themselves diabetes, how horrid.

>>15937248
>Does Camus ever say anything on 'false happiness'?
No.

Sisyphus found his purpose. It might be hell but he's content with it.

>>15937559
And the irony is that billionaires aren’t much happier than normies, oftentimes they’re alienated and lonely, plagued by depression and anhedonia. eg Notch, Dan Bilzerian.

>>15937277
he's serious, why do you think people get so excited about disasters

>>15937269
wisdom

>>15938480
Are you seriously implying that Enlightenment myths about the world used to justify mercantile adventures and policies are just that, myths, and that they don't accurately reflect history?

>>15937354
>That's literally all humans ever. Are you 12? Have you ever read anything written by any human being ever?

You're arguing mostly with edgy college kids or neet faggots. We are in a board were philosophy is discussed and human discontent it's literally one of the most common subjects but then you have astroturfers here wanting you to settle for less because you could be worse... it's preposterous.

>>15938532
Yes.

>>15938480
Peasants weren't constantly starving, they were just periodically starving and their general diet was much poorer than that of a modern one.
>Of course, everything today is good and special and nice because the past was absolutely god awful and everything sucked and everyone was in pain and there was nothing good because you've axiomatically defined it as such.
That's half-true. Modernity isn't perfectly nice, but the past was much worse.
> Of course we should gorge ourselves on sugary garbage, who cares that it's bad for you, people in "The Past" couldn't have it.
If you can't even buy sugary stuff, then you are absolutely impoverished. Also if you will die before the diabetes will develop, you will have no diabetes. But you should actually stop eating sugar, go out to the nearest shop and just buy
> fish, cheese, yogurt, multiple kinds of bread, eggs, various vegetables, herbs, spices, and meat,
, that's absolutely easy.

>>15937191
DESU that looks like Windows 98

>>15937480
Let it go. Everyone here missed the bitcoin train.

>>15938157
Monica Ruiz

>one must imagine Sisyphus happy

>>15938188
>“haha dumb wagie shouldn’t have bought a house he can’t afford” but in other circumstances they would say, “hahah dumb consoomer shouldn’t have thrown all his income away on rent; that’s just money down the drain”.
How about you buy a house you can easily afford, taking into account potential market fluctuations?

>>15938653
ok we get hauling a rock up a hill is better than the modern existence, you can stop

>>15938654
>Just find an affordable home within commuting distance of your job with good school and forecast forty years of economic activity and crime rates bro, it’s super-easy. Literally nothing can go wrong with any of these variables at any time.

Camus was right, but the modern world is a bugman world that destroys your soul.

"If one wanted to crush and destroy a man entirely, to mete out to him the most terrible punishment ... all one would have to do would be to make him do work that was completely and utterly devoid of usefulness and meaning.”- ma boi Dostoevsky

>>15937330
ibid

>>15937599
>if you arent spending your money like a retard and have some basic personal finance knowledge you can quit your work at any time you want and always look for something else
But that is not true, if you stop working for a year or two suddenly nobody wants you anymore, you are out and have to spend the rest of your life washing dishes.

>>15938735
It’s also funny how everyone defaults into imaging some old boomer who’s had his whole life to save but spent all his income on frivolous shit instead. As if there was nobody between the ages of like, 22 and 35 the last time a recession hit and that there won’t be any the next time

Never read the book but always hated that gay ass quote.
Who cares what one imagines what another is feeling? It has zero impact on what the person is actually feeling. Everyone on earth can imagine that I'm happy and that won't make it so. Fuck everybody.

>>15938575
no crypto will make me rich any day now
t. /biz/

>>15936721
although it wasn't the intended interpretation by Camus, anyone else read this quote as;
In order to be happy, one has to force themselves to see Sisyphus as happy.

>>15939363
What if I'll manage to see Tantalus happy? Will I transcend?

Retard here; can anyone explain to me why would Sisyphus be happy?
I don't get it.

>>15939614
He can do the next boulder push in a refined artful way.

>>15939644
Mmmhhh... that's actually brilliant, thanks.

>>15939614
>The only way to get back at the Gods and face the absurdity of his eternity is do embrace the absurdity and be happy.

So gay that you know it is French, even though it is really just restating Nietzsche.

Someone should have kidnapped Camus and made him roll a boulder up a hill for 50 hour straight until he shit himself, cried like a bitch, and asked for death.

You know what makes absurdity bearble? Beer and puss.

>>15939684
It's not the same, since Sisyphus is literally immortal, eternity is a looooong time so eventually is logical for him to like his job at some point. Also, you need to understand that since pushing the boulder is his only task, he could be satisfied by only doing it right, which he eventually will.
Laugh is what makes absurdity bearable, it's not necessary to be lobotomized.

>>15938711
haha i got really lucky

>>15939684
Sisyphus already tricked Gods a few times. Imagine how mad Zeus will be if Sisyphus will start enjoying the boulder.

>>15936721
nowadays its literally hell
if I just could work on PC all day with no human interactions I would enjoy life better
but no, you must be social 24/7 because women and soiboys took over the workplace

>>15941762
>worked remotely today for the first time ever
>no fatigue, no/little frustration, barely feels like i did anything
>have energy, am happy and feel good

boomers took this from you because they are afraid of technology

>>15936721
Working in an office sounds like heaven compared to food service:
>Sit down all day
>No oven making the place hot as fuck all the time
>Guaranteed break
>Work normal hours
>Guaranteed 2 days off in a row
>Don't have to worry about getting called in because some asshole didn't show up
>Don't have to wait on customers hand and foot
>Don't have to worry about stupid cunts getting mad about petty shit
>Don't have to worry about crazy druggies/homeless people running around begging for money or harassing people

These threads are hilarious
>someone implies life isn't all that great
>immediately people emotionally lash out with
a barrage of insults

the cope is palpable, is it really that hard to admit it to yourself? jesus anyone with a brain can see that this shit is garbage it's not hard to admit and potentially come to terms with it instead of getting all butthurt. Anything to keep their illusions in place

>>15942920
i used to work in food service and preferred it.
>friends you can chill with and talk real with (office folk are all easily offended, you have to walk on eggshells, and they all try to backstab you)
>exercise (most office workers get fat or crippled from posture)
>fun work (office work drags on forever, but shifts flew by in food work)
>free food and drinks (as opposed to shitty machine coffee)
we had the crazy hobos come in our lobby a lot, in the skyscraper you know, the bottom floor with all the elevators. so if you went down for a break you got to see security dragging the trash out.

>>15943029
I'm sure you can appreciate the difference between "life isn't all that great" and "working in an office is a Sisyphean hell"

>>15943029
the worst part of life is experience deep, loving relationships and then losing them

people will cope with shit like "don't be sad that it's gone, be glad that it happened" but I genuinely believe those people love themselves far more than anyone else

>>15943105
>the worst part of life is experience deep, loving relationships and then losing them

Nothing is forever.

>>15943066
Not that anon, but I'm sure you can also understand that a dejection towards life can be a little more cosmic than "I had a bad day". And having said that, this feeling may be symptomatic of something far greater. There's a disquiet within the essence of everyone that no one can shake. The fact that people have periods of personal enjoyment does not change this either. If you converse with people long enough and actually pay attention to what they say, this tends to show itself.

>apply for job
>realize it starts in fall 2022
WHO HIRES TWO YEARS IN ADVANCE
RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15943105
What about never building up a deep relationship? You have no idea what a bad life is.

>>15943146
This is like an unspoken truth everone knows about but tries to hide in everyday life.

>>15936758
>ASCII
>GUI
Nga wot?

>>15937643
Delete this.

>>15936758
>mid 90s
that picture is from the 80s

>>15938735
Says who? You made that up

>>15943029
>Cope bad

Your axiom is retarded. Peak Midwit

>>15937643
delete this RIGHT NOW

one must imagine Sisyphus happy

bump

>>15948196
eine musste Syssyphus verglück vorstellen

One must imagine shitposter happy.

>>15937472
I've seen conflicting research on the effect cubicles have on productivity. I work in an open floorplan like in OP's pic and I feel stressed when people can easily look over my shoulder at what I'm doing all day. Whenever I've had a little bit more privacy I feel much more relaxed and become tangibly more productive. But I'm not sure if everyone feels the same about it.

Some people might say "you shouldn't feel stressed about anyone looking over your shoulder if you're actually working." But I am highly doubtful that most offices have enough work to keep people occupied for nine hours a day. My own office certainly does not. Even if there was enough work, there should still be time to click away for a moment to read the news or browse something else that interests you for moment so you don't get burned out every day. The problem with this is if your shitty boss catches you doing something other than working, you'll be met with scrutiny and be made to look bad in front of your supervisors or co-workers.

If you ask me, the only reason supervisors might prefer open workspaces is because they don't trust their subordinates. Which, if true, becomes obvious very quickly. And, personally, causes me to resent my boss rather than respect them.

one must imagine the dung beetle happy.

>>15936721
Kek'd hard

>>15949040
Egyptians considered it sacred for a reason.

>>15937265
Dostoyevsky put it better with the parable of the guy who had to walk a quadrillion kilometers through limbo. He gave up and waited for a thousand years or something, but eventually got up and kept walking.
The point being that when you’re trapped in an eternal system, “giving up” isn’t truly an option. Sissypuss has it even worse because he doesn’t even have a goal.

>>15937024
Seriously. Am one of these people (web developer). I fucking love it.

>>15949983
When you have thousands of years, you can build entire philosophical systems and fantasy worlds in your mind.

>>15950068
>web developer
You are a useless faggot. You will never become a real programmer. All you do is waste user's computational resources with your garbage, bloated, framework ridden, abysmal products.

>>15950529
Poorfag cope.

>>15950534
Pajeet cope.

>>15950529
Holy based.

>>15950529
>, he babbled angrily at the stroke of his fifth hour spent addictively in the day on a platform conceived by web developers.

Sisyphus bumped the boulder up and it fell down again.

One must imagine Sisyphus happy.

>>15937048

>>15937643
lel
help me escape
(HELP ME ESCAPE)
*guitar solo*

>>15938880
The point isn’t that imagining Sisyphus happy suddenly makes him happy. The point is that we must imagine him happy because his condition is so absurd that we are better off deluding ourselves that he’s happy because otherwise would be to try to make sense of an absurdity that has no chance of any redeeming byproduct. So we may as well say “fuck it, let’s act like he’s happy because then we can ignore the problem”.

>>15936721
besides the obvious subjectivity of an individuals sufferings, what never seems to be included in the idea of "life could be worse", which has been brought up continually in this thread, is the fact that material conditions aren't the end all and be all of a human life. Obviously yes people on average live better lives physically than a peasant in the medieval age. But thats not what OP was getting at, or any of the other anons who were complaining that a modern life is shit. The peasant at least had religion and psirituality, community, family, and hope. The corners of the map were not filled in, and no matter how shit your life might of been at least there was hope, no matter how vague, that something could come about that increased your rank in life. Whether that was war or invention or simply a discovery.

Now, sure I live better than the kings of old, but I'm probably not even as happy as the average peasant. If you've got a purpose and a fulfilling life, it might not matter your station in life. Ignorance might be better in some cases.

t. have worked many jobs, have not been satisfied by work or the things outside of it

>>15937320
I'm horribly depressed, but I don't blame society or my job for it because that's juvenile. I've made a lot of poor decisions in my life and I've neglected myself and others and now I'm alone and helpless. I blame myself and suffer alone with 4chan as my one and only outlet. My job is shit but I appreciate it for providing a distraction for me; I couldn't care less if I'm making someone else a profit because I recognize culture's need to have a master and slave class, and I recognize myself as a slave. I am weak, but my core is strong enough to admit where I stand in the hierarchy of the species. I enjoy whatever independence I can muster and don't demand any more than that. I don't spend hours on end stewing over the other guy. The world has become increasingly harder for other whites and it mostly has to do with their arrogance compelling them to constantly and unjustly retaliating against their employers who they chose to work for.

Am I the only person who’s super resentful to work for someone who’s essentially a brainless meat golem? My manager cannot write one sentence without a typo, does not have a very interesting personality, clearly not educated, is very basic, and yet he makes at least double what I make. I cannot BELIEVE this moron is doing better in life than I am.

>>15953669
On the other hand, it is similarly infuriating to have multiple friends who lead extremely stable and successful lives (Harvard grads, doctors, lawyers with their own private practice, a hot shot engineer who has a brilliant dual career as an actively concertizing world renowned musician, the accolades go on and on) and be an intellectualoh and maturity-wise equal to these friends yet have a pathetic entry level J-O-B in some mega corporation.

>>15953669
On the other hand, it is similarly infuriating to have multiple friends who lead extremely stable and successful lives (Harvard grads, doctors, lawyers with their own private practice, a hot shot engineer who has a brilliant dual career as an actively concertizing world renowned musician, the accolades go on and on) and be an intellectually* and maturity-wise equal to these friends yet have a pathetic entry level J-O-B in some mega corporation.

>>15950720
honestly, web in 2000 without JavaScript in every tag was far more comfy. Web developers constantly "improve" until it becomes unbearably toxic. just like anything else, art, science.

>>15936758
AutoCAD first released in 1982.

If you are not born to resourceful and intelligent parents in the upper middle to upperclass, you are very likely to become just another common consumer and worker slave for the rest of your life. You know all those savy kids in high school that did really well and are now getting into some exciting jobs? Yeah, all had mothers and fathers who themselves were accomplished.

It has nothing to do with you as a person, everything was literally determined before you had a chance to make an impact albeit how hard you try, which is why life is such a cruel joke that one cannot imagine being a slave while also being happy.

>>15954575
Of course, there are some exceptions to that, but they are *very few*. Certainly far fewer than people realize, what with their delusions that they’ll one day “make it” and all.

>>15937248
Camus didn’t think very hard about things, so no.

>>15937093
Ohh noo traffic is horrible, i have to sit here for half an hour drinking my coffee, smoking a fag and listening to music
This life is too cruel to live

>>15938037
>what is famine and disease
>what is raiders raping and pillaging your home

>>15938188
>it's impossible to not buy unnecessary consumerist garbage, like iPhones, every single year, and save up for a down payment
>getting a car loan makes me A TRUE RED BLOODED AMERICAN
>it's impossible to buy a house that's inside your budget rather than putting down 5% and getting shafted by lender's insurance
You sound like a retard who doesn't understand anything about money
>t. zoomer with more money than you

one must imagine Alfred Janny

>>15936721
Only people that create something have the priviledge of being happy with their work because it give you the feeling the feeling of power over the world that we naturally crave.
You can never find joy in a job where you are a tool in someone else's creation, only the least level of unhappyness

>>15954812
Based. Most office wage slaves and even most Americans are in perpetual debt. There is a reason all good religions and societies forbid usury.
Many of you coping losers seem to value wealth over freedom. Cringe.

>>15937480
You can still earn bitcoin by leverage trading or you can kill yourself. Wageslaving for 40 years is not the only option

>>15953634
Extremely based self awareness anon, I wish more people had this level of awareness

>>15953669
>>15953706
Quit being resentful faggots. Project an outlet for your envy and declare war on your enemies

>>15943146
Based post

>>15954755
Why you using drugs?

>>15953669
I think you're a very vain person.

>>15937093
me on the left

>>15937480
This is exactly me, to a single point (I mean I don't want to kill my boss - he's retarded but come on). It's ofc coding, so there is some light of retirement around 45 in the tunnel but at 45 my life will be finished, no? What do? Only thing I can think of is to try to go into a hedge fund and maybe get rich quickly? I'm (was) relatively smart

>>15954088
>>15937091

???
Why didnt GUIs get common faster, that´s insane...

>>15956536
Because the tech wasn't possible for it yet? This isn't a chicken/egg scenario, there just wasn't the graphical power or screen real-estate possible for graphics to coddle you with layers and layers of icons and taskbars if that's what you're looking for.

Am I just getting old or is this anon just particularly dumb

>>15936721

Laughing at all the cuckolds in this thread justifying their slavery

Here's the thing, if you aren't an athlete, artist, or scientist, you are a little bitch who failed at life. Have fun living vicariously through your hobbies until the day you die while the worthy live like gods.

>>15936969
What?

>>15937463
I worked on a towboat for a bit (by choice, obviously) and retail and fast food workers don't know how good they have it.

>>15937643
best post itt

>>15957605

>Scientist

KEK

>>15957605
How does it feel to be that edgy?

>>15957605
*if you are not an olympic athlete, famous artist or nobel-tier scientist

>>15937048
cringe

>>15938004
based and Xenophonpilled

>>15956536
What do you mean faster? It was pretty common in the 90s.