/lit/ - Literature

>>15896404
>Dark Fantasy Edition

What's the fantasy literature equivalent of this album?

>>15896404
fuck sanderson
fuck martin
fuck abercrombie
fuck donaldson
fuck trilogies
fuck female authors
fuck sagas
fuck chronicles
fuck chinkshit
fuck grimdark
fuck hard magic systems
fuck the chosen one
fuck female protagonists
fuck sci-fi in general

Fuck. E. William. Brown

I want to write some things, where do i post it online? Was thinking about using one of these sites like ao3 but for original fiction but it's all so fucking lowbrow i can't bring myself to use it, and i don't want to create a site yet.

>>15896445
I'm in a similar boat, I'm considering getting a blog or something, but then I remember that everything I write is trash.

>>15896441
Enjoy your Chinese chronicle saga trilogy about grimdark sci-fi hard magic system world with a chosen female protagonist from a female author whose main influences are Sanderson, Martin, Abercrombie and Donaldson.

>>15896445
Post it on /lit/sffg/

Discuss.

>>15896475
Mieville tries to push himself as THE BAD BOY OF FANTASY and that makes his personality distasteful. But his books are alright.

Please recommend me some sci-fi where the action lasts for thousands (or, better, millions) of years and which has a set of characters who are present throughout the whole story. Not necessarily like the pic, but it will do too.

>>15896475
Is there anything more pathetic than fantasy writers talking about how much they hate fantasy?

I just finished the green fairy book.

Where do I go from here?

>>15896404
That's not very sexy.

>>15896505
Um, those who reply to it?

>>15896441
>fuck sanderson
>fuck martin
>fuck abercrombie
>fuck donaldson
.
Why do you dislike these people? What are their flaws as writers or people?

>>15896495
How can you be a bad boy when you look like a faggy tree huger that drinks overprices onions based beverages? Or twitter communist?

>>15896511
Read the other colors.

>>15896566
it's a very low bar in fantasy

>>15896566
Say that to his face, cunt.

>>15896475
Is he saying that basically only sjw fantasy is good fantasy? Someone should off this tranny.

>>15896580
He looks like a uni lecturer I had who wrote urban fantasy and had a stupid first name. Has that phenotype been labelled yet?

>>15896580
Get his dick outta your mouth and write something.

>>15896475
he sounds salty as fuck

>>15896580
he looks like he sucks cock in gas-station bathrooms

>>15896563
>sanderson
soft, fat, cowardly mormon who can't write suspense to save his life
>martin
fat, lazy pervert too lazy to finish his shitty books
>abercombie
dweeb obsessed with violence and seeming tough despite being a loser
>donaldson
bitter cunt

>>15896404
Magic academy books please

>>15896579
Indeed it is. I guess he looks like like Arnie compared to the usual borderline obese disfigured fantasy writer.

>>15896580
No problem. Then I am going to make you suck my dick while he's holding it. Would that be satisfying for you?

>>15896642
why are you so obsessed with men sucking your dick

>>15896650
How else would I convince a faggot like yourself in my superiority?

>>15896658
if they were faggots, would not sucking your dick just be a pleasurable experience for them while you would have to live with the knowledge that a man sucked your dick and you enjoyed it?

>>15896642
We need more fantasy writers that have a pair of testicles. The fact that Ching Chong or whatever his name is wants to bash one of the greatest selling fantasy writers of all time while being a literal who doesn't bode well for his case.

>>15896642
>No problem. Then I am going to make you suck my dick while he's holding it. Would that be satisfying for you?
Like this?

I am likely not get a reply, but on the off-chance; can anyone recommend some fantasy without these le stronk female characters (that invariably in so many books I've read can stand up to men in combat and/or behave in le stronk manner despite it being medieval setting). I have nothing against women for I am no idiot, but bloody hell all these writers always have to go for some bullshit with them and it almost always feels "un-natural" in a sense. Could it be that writing good female characters is that much more difficult? It's like walking a very fine line with bullshit on either side and a razer thin line which represents an acceptable character.
Heh, sry for the small rant.

>>15896666
It might just be another, let's call it twatter fad, where absolute nobodies are shitting on their betters and everybody decided to jump on the bandwagon. Kinda like that fat, black, angry women and Lovecraft.

>>15896664
>>15896673
Actually I was kinda thinking about that scene from The Shield. With David Aceveda. Fuck that was hard to watch.
Which incidentally is why you never go alone.

>>15896707
Maybe Blood Sounder by Jeff Salyards?

What are some dark fantasy kinos?

People still write:
>medieval setting
>patriarchy in alien cultures
>Le giant sword
>prtagonist fuck all women, and it's the chosen one

Should the fantasy genre move on already or we should wait another 10 years?

What's some good sci fi with mechas?

>>15896707
Blood Song by A Ryan

>>15896763
Move on to what?
Most of the "moving" until now involved trigendered foxkin spirit shooting magical dildoes out of it's ass.

redpill me on this mecha series...

>>15896783
Cry Pilot by Joel Dane.
It has actual mechas.

>>15896806
Thr fuck have you been reading you weirdo fuck?

>>15896475
What do you expect from a literal avowed communist?

>>15896919
He's not a communist, he's a pseudo-leftist Cliffite.

>>15896719
>>15896800
F-f-f-fanks frens, I wish you a beautiful night :)

>>15896935
what the fuck

>>15896935
Bye fren.

So I recently started reading Pratchett, and fell in love with his style thanks to Small Gods, but all the other titles feel... dull in comparison.
Granted, I bought Wyrd sisters, Pyramids and Moving pictures rather than his most popular titles such as Guards or Mort, but the disappointment is still real.
Is Small Gods Pratchett's best work?

>>15896990
pretty much

but everything up to like Monstrous Regiment is still pretty enjoyable.

>>15896475
Who is this fag?
Seems mad that he can’t even fill GRRM’s anti-tolkien niche.

>>15896707
>And that’s another of my pet peeves about fantasies. The bad authors adopt the class structures of the Middle Ages; where you had the royalty and then you had the nobility and you had the merchant class and then you have the peasants and so forth. But they don’t’ seem to realize what it actually meant. They have scenes where the spunky peasant girl tells off the pretty prince. The pretty prince would have raped the spunky peasant girl. He would have put her in the stocks and then had garbage thrown at her. You know.
>I mean, the class structures in places like this had teeth. They had consequences. And people were brought up from their childhood to know their place and to know that duties of their class and the privileges of their class. It was always a source of friction when someone got outside of that thing. And I tried to reflect that.

>>15896763
>prtagonist fuck all women, and it's the chosen one
Examples of this? I wanna read them.

Is there ANY fantasy book that's based and redpilled?

>>15897062
Ayo I got you chief

Decided to pick up reading dune again after a year break with children of dune and really enjoying it.

>>15897062

Conan you fag

>>15897082
dune sucks

>>15897038
>>15897092
That's a whole lot of based, there may be hope for this thread yet

>>15897092
Where do I start with Conan? Pic related?

>>15897052
Dresden Files

>>15897247
Never read it but doen't it have a lot of sex?

>>15897052
Book of the New Sun

>>15896990
the top tier Discworld novels are:
>Small Gods
>Hogfather
>Reaper Man
>Thief of Time
>The Fifth Elephant
>Monstrous Regiment
everything else is fairly formulaic but still enjoyable up until the later novels.

except the Moist books, fuck the Moist books

>>15897130
yeah

>>15897247
would be a good series if Murphy didnt exist, ruins every book shes in

Anyone read this? Is it any good? I read it has an intricate plot

>>15897377
It's good but very much not for everyone
It's a court intrigue novel but a huge amount of the intrigue comes via sex scenes (the protagonist's a prostitute and their magic power is basically just enjoying sadism)

>>15897265
it doesn't have A LOT of sex, but the author spends a lot of time describing how impossibly sexy every single female character is, and also how they all want to bang the MC

>>15897392
Is there anything similar to it in terms of court intrigue minus the sex scenes? I'm not a prude or anything mind you I just find them boring.

Discuss.

>>15897422
aren't novels walls of text by definition

>>15896441
You forgot to fuck world building and to fuck Rothfuss

>>15897437
I recognize the style of the collage and the taste of the guy who made it not particularly great.
If wall of text was meant as very long novels with huge word counts it should be titled door stoppers, but it's not really that, since most of the novels on the second half of the list are 200-300 page long novels.
And many don't have a particularly dense prose style (Lord of Light, for example), so I have no idea what he meant.

>>15897419
Traitor Baru but it's more colony than court.

>>15897422
>>15897554
I'm convinced this guy just slaps a random title on a list of books and sees how long it takes people to notice.
See also: the "self-published" chart where half of the books are from major publishers and not even minor presses

>>15896629
Choice of magic
Divine Apostasy
Hollow core school of swords and serpents
Harry Potter
Black magician trilogy
The magicians trilogy
Name of the wind
Coiling dragon saga
A thousand li
Mage errant saga

All of that should last you for the rest of the year.

>>15897457
Thanks, I'll add that next time

I still haven't found anything on the level of Cradle. Fuck this gay world.

>>15897093
shut up

>>15896629
Just read Mother of Learning, the first part is the main character abusing a time loop to learn everything possible from magic school
It may seem insanely long because it's a webnovel but if you just treat it like a 3-5 book series it's actually really well paced

>>15897688
MoL is also the best you'll get for western progression stuff, the alternative is biting the bullet and reading the Xianxia it's based on.
The only other western author doing Xx inspired stuff who is any good is Sarah Lin and she's very deliberately avoiding telling the typical rise to unstoppable power story.

>>15896445
I've always found it interesting how comparatively "bad" doesn't sink in the west meanwhile in the east every year hundreds upon hundreds of people writing on their equivalent(s) of AO3 become successful published authors.

>>15897711
>Street Cultivation
Is this as gay as the synopsis and the cover makes it look? I know that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, but I have a hard time believing that a person who wrote this synopsis and accepted this cover can write something passable.

>>15897745
It's fun, the basic setup is power is money and the protagonist has loads of debt so he has to get into some escapades to try and escape it.
Brightest Shadow is her strongest work tho

>>15897711
>>15897688
There's also First Step by Tao Wong. Though from the first three books even if it's about a talented guy, he doesn't seem to be the second coming of Jesus, unlike most xianxia protagonists. So if you want an OP protagoinst then it's not for you.
(But whatever you do, don't read his other books, they are about as bad as it gets.)

>>15897437
>>15897554
>>15897638
From the archives
>It's my 3.5-4 stars books that I read.
>Wall of Text coming:
All You Zombies
The (sort of) Dark Mage
Sunset(Nightlord #1) (stop at this book)
Fimbulwinter
All Systems Red (The Murderbot Diaries #1)
Ancient Ruins (Ancient Dreams #1) (read this only)
The Big Over Easy by Jasper Fforde
Treason by Orson Scott Card
Tunnel in the Sky by Robert A. Heinlein
Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven
Fevre Dream by George R.R. Martin
The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis
Legend by David Gemmell
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson
Girl Parts by John M. Cusick
Rivers of London by Ben Aaronovitch
Good Intentions by Elliott Kay (read this one only)
Something More Than Night by Ian Tregillis
The Trysmoon Saga by Brian K. Fuller
Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell
The Library at Mount Char by Scott Hawkins
Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein
The Time Machine by H.G. Wells
Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
The Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick
The Anubis Gates by Tim Powers
Metro 2033
Out of the Dark by David Weber
Johannes Cabal the Necromancer
Johannes Cabal by Jonathan L. Howard
Hull Zero Three by Greg Bear
Rough Magick by Kenny Soward (rare book based on gnomes)

>These are 3.5-4.5 stars and one 5 star. Mileage may vary. Enjoy

>>15897765
I didn't mention Tao Wong because the progression is so slow that I can't recommend it to a cradle fan.
Also I thought the book where he goes to war, whichever one that is, was outright bad.

>>15897671
>>15896441
Don't forget to fuck maps

is "Malazan book of the fallen" good? im new to fantasy and only read the hobbit, LOTR and Dune.

>>15897765
I've already read that.
>>15897781
It can be slower too, as long as there's a tangible progression.

>>15896990
Certainly on of his best books, but most of his books are various levels of entertaining, so I still recommend checking them out, though you should probably lower your expectations.

>>15897760
>Brightest Shadow
>female protag
I just can't get invested in such books.

>Western chinkshit
Disgusting. People read chinkshit for the psycho protagonists and the power leveling.

How is this.

>>15896441
>fuck donaldson
You're just angry because you got filtered

>>15897638
>you again
Did you know the Martian is published by a big publisher but started out self published?
If a series started out self published and joined say, "mountain dale press"(which was started by a self published author to publish works by other self published authors), then the works are self published. Doesn't matter if a publisher picked it up afterwards.
Do you know big name authors are self publishing some of their works because their publishers refuse to do it? (E.g wen spencer).
Just because you google the author's name and see penguin publishing or random house doesn't mean shit.
Now kys you piece of shit.

>>15897857
Well, people who aren't too much into psychos get turned off by shitty writing inherent in chinkshit, so they look for something similar written by a westerner.

>>15897869
slooow but what I read was alright

>>15897884
>The industry is dying because guys aren't reading fantasy any more
>But they're really interested in this chinkshit so let's rip it off and remove the shit guys actually read it for
Genius.

>>15897857
This sounds right up my alley. If I were to read just one of those chink power leveling novels, which should it be?

>>15897924
Reverend Insanity of evil psycho protag
A Will Eternal for comedy but still powerful and viscous when needed protag
Desolate Era for it played pretty much entirely straight

>>15897924
Gu Daoist Master

>>15897917
I don't know about you, but I read some chinkshit mostly for leveling, psycho MC is a turnoff.
Oh and the 'dying industry' is still many times bigger than your beloved chinkshit, so...

>>15897869
Isn't this a huge red flag?

>>15897917
>so let's rip it off and remove the shit guys actually read it for

lol people don't read it

>>15897917
What the fuck is your problem.

>>15897955
What, the dogs? Is that the author?

>>15897688
You might not find one on the level of cradle, but there are a lot of passable self published ones that fill the void.
The beginning after the end
Painting the mists
Reborn:apocalypse

>>15897711
>>15897745
>>15897760
Street cultivation was utter shit. Avoid at all cost. It's written by a female author who can't into males.

>>15897917
People don't read it. Bugmen read it.

>>15897966
Cooling Dragon was the first one everyone read. The most evil protags are from Warlock of the Magus World and Reverend Insanity but all of them are psychos who kill people the moment they're slightly annoyed. The only difference between the MC and the antagonists is that the narrative treats the MC as a righteous hero. I like IET novels. They start off really well although they lose steam later on but all Chinkshit has the problem of the beginning being the best and the later parts being dogshit

>>15897799
>dune
>fantasy

Shoo shoo

>>15897872
No, because I've had sex

>>15897699
No

>>15897978
Dude looks like he's about to star in an upmarket softcare gay porno

>>15898235
i know its sci fi but it feels like fantasy. has a mythical feel to it.

>>15897955
looks kinda based. cool picture.

>>15896404
Lube up my dick and spread your mother's pussy wide for me, and I might not wipe out your entire bloodline.

>>15897688
Plenty of series with slow pacing for maximum profits. Read more.

>>15898019
>Cooling Dragon
Are you some Chink that can't into English?

>>15898354
I is right beside o..

>>15896475
I got into Mieville because of a dude at uni who recommended me some of his books.
I liked them.
Then I found out that same dude decided to become a tranny,
I'm now conflicted.

>>15898340
Was that Tolkien?

>>15897688
>Sacred artists follow a thousand Paths to power, using their souls to control the forces of the natural world.
>Lindon is Unsouled, forbidden to learn the sacred arts of his clan.
>When faced with a looming fate he cannot ignore, he must defy his family's rules...and forge his own Path.

Such blatant xianxia. I think I'll read it. Are the characters as generally ruthless as their Chinese counter-parts, or are they westernized pussies? Something inbetween?

>>15898361
if the books are good, the political opinions of the author shouldn't matter

What are some writing tips you have for fantasy writers?

>>15898378
>Are the characters as generally ruthless as their Chinese counter-parts, or are they westernized pussies? Something inbetween?
Yes.

>>15897924
Renegade Immortal or Warlock in the Magus World. Reverend Insanity/Gu Daoist Master is interesting but I thought it became repetetive fast. Good xianxia does not only have power creep, but scope creep. I won't go into what the latter means in detail, as it would be a spoiler for someone who hasn't read xianxia before, but xianxia without it is incomplete in my opinion.

>>15898433
Yeah, the only reason I haven't started one yet is that I keep hearing they go on for too long and the latter parts are bad. Is there anything that is a blast from start to finish?

>>15898450
Not really. But I thought Warlock in the Magus World was more consistent than Renegade Immortal and Reverand Insanity. It is also much shorter, which probably helped. Maybe you should begin with that one. I did.

I enjoyed all stories in this, with the exception of Seventy-Two Letters. Do you guys have any recommendation of something similar? Either short stories and novels are fine.

>>15898391
Write.

>>15898530
R/W operations are so time consuming though.

>>15898539
True, much easier to just delude yourself into believing you will one day write that great novel in order to stave off dealing with the absolute failure that is one's personal life.

>>15898378
Westernized pussies

>>15898383
It's pol invaders. They don't read books. They are here to post politics and read the authors and not their works. They would spend hours watching and reading interviews of authors, and scouring their twatters to see if their political ideologies match up with their "infrographic ways". If it doesn't, the author is shit, if it does, the author is "based".
Mind you this is all without even reading the first page of any book the author wrote.

>>15898586
It was like this from the start. Stop being a fag.

>“Come, Mr. Frodo!' he cried. 'I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you and it as well. So up you get! Come on, Mr. Frodo dear! Sam will give you a ride. Just tell him where to go, and he'll go.”

>>15898598
>It was like this from the start.
No it wasn't you newfag pol board hopping piece of shit. People used to actually read books before they shat on them (so they had proof). You pol fucks just screenshot some shit the author said on social media and use that as an example of their books. When they weren't even referencing their works. You pieces of shits.

>>15898621
>Sam will give you a ride
Only one? Jade gives two rides.

>>15898586
>>15898627
There's something eerily similar about your posting style that reminds me of the Jemisin shills.

>>15898668
Are there any Jemisin readers here?

Seems like everyone dislikes her but nobody actually reads her lol.

>>15898677
I enjoyed Broken Earth. Her other books not so much.

>>15898677
You don’t have to read much of her to see her agenda. She’s about as subtle in her themes as a brick to the face.

>>15898706
This is your Hugo award winning author.

Fucking hell, like a petulant child.

>>15898714
she probably wouldn't have won the Hugo (three times) if Vox Day hadn't been such an autist about it

>>15898706
>You don’t have to read much of her to see her agenda
not that guy but it's pretty fucking funny that you went to an interview quote instead of producing a single example from her fiction writing.

There's plenty in Jemisin's writing to call bad (her inability to sustain momentum, end well or even create characters who aren't american centre-right liberals in fantasy worlds) but nobody who shits up the thread going on about her ever mentions anything like that.

Nobody here even talks about liking her ffs

>>15896404
Rocannon's World - Ursula K. Le Guin, Hainish #1 (1966)

This was Le Guin's debut "novel", though it's a novella by word count. She coined the term "ansible" with it. I didn't know what to think of it the entire time I was reading it and I still don't. It has all the trappings of a high fantasy novel, but goes out of its way to tell you that it's a science fiction novel over and over again. Rocannon is an ethnologist from an advanced civilization who ends up stranded up on the primitive world he was studying due to an attack by another advanced civilization. He must journey with his party among the lands to try to stop these advanced invaders from taking over the world. Among the way he meets the not-dwarves, not-elves, and many other not-ones. It seemed tinged with mythology as well. Rocannon ought to be in dire peril, but he's not because he has an invisible suit of nigh invincibility, aka literal plot armor . At the end of novel he goes full native and lives the rest of his life there. I wanted to, and should have, liked this more than I did because it has so much that I should enjoy greatly. I can only assume the unidentified strange feeling I had while reading it is the main reason why I didn't.
Rating: 3?/5

>>15898586
>They would spend hours watching and reading interviews of authors, and scouring their twatters to see if their political ideologies match up with their "infrographic ways". If it doesn't, the author is shit, if it does, the author is "based".
Which authors are the based ones, by the way?

Just finished peace talks. Jesus christ that third act came out of left field.

I'm curious, did anyone here read it without reading the short stories first and thus have no idea who the fuck River Shoulders was or what the was going on with Carlos?

also I'm really bothered by how Butcher and by extension Dresden are treating Bonea. She seemed like she was going to be an important figure but Butcher shafted her, and in the process made it pretty clear to the audience that Dresden doesn't consider her his daughter or have any affection for her at all

>>15898797
When you're able to pick you're own enemies, it's easiest to pick those who won't retaliate, and even better if they don't exist.

>>15898350
Yet you can't name a single good cultivation story that wasn't mentioned already. Because even there's a fair bit of them, most are complete shit.

>>15896498

>>15898797
>her inability to sustain momentum, end well or even create characters who aren't american centre-right liberals in fantasy worlds

Away wit ye, Marxist.

Do you guys personally find it admirable when an author writes based off their instincts and not how their story would make logical sense to an audience?

>thread is ~50% to limit
>only ~5 hours in
The low quality prolific posters are out in force today.

>>15898706
Even if your protagonists defeat the monster, if the story is fairly serious then it just ends up being a homage to the guy that created the monster. I hope she writes those unfunny parody stories, otherwise she played herself. (Or maybe here she was just pretending to be retarded to gain approval of SJWs?)

>>15898935
Sounds like a good way to be a complete commercial and probably critical failure. For genre fiction anyway.

>>15898941
It the conan and chink fags.

>>15896740

>>15898935
I can't think of any book examples of this, not fantasy ones at least. One of my favorite manga is like this, though.

AM I THE ONLY ONE READING THIS SERIES?

IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LORD OF THE RINGS OF CHINA!

>>15898935
Yes. For that other shit readers should stick to non fiction or crime fiction.

>>15898985
I watched a live action adaptation. The sequels are better.
Also, it's nothing like Lord of the Rings. The only fantastical elements are the qi powered martial arts.

>>15898935
>>15899002
Examples?

>>15897799
It's good but it ultimately depends on how much you care about specific characters and the over arching storyline. The first few books are separate characters/stories/timelines/worlds and you'll find yourself not seeing your favorite duo for a bit. It can be confusing but it ties up in the end. Tedious but fun if not depressing at times.

>>15898706
Jesus fuck, you just played yourself, and proved this guy true >>15898586

>>15898706
ok but what's the actual book like

>>15899014
You mean this?

>>15898985
It's dated as fuck. Doesn't translate well to modern.

>>15899046
No, that's still one book published in volumes. After Legend of the Condor Heroes there's
>Return of the Condor Heroes
>Heaven Sword and Dragon Sabre

>>15899028
SJW detected

>>15896475
If you define your ideas as the opposite or antithesis, or subversion of another idea then you are still limited by it and merely a negative derivative.

The only revolting idea is here is cheering the intentional and vulgar deception akin to "bet you weren't expecting orcs to be noble good guys". It's juvenile.

>>15899056
But /lit/ says modernity is bad.

>>15899028
I mean she's at least as cancer as /pol/acks, judging by the interview.

>>15898985
the blurb mentioning that just meant in terms of cultural impact

>>15899028
For fucks sake, I want this shitty argument to end already but how much of a brainwashed retard do you need to be to not see how claiming "racism" from an author outside his works somehow invalidates his writing is not good. And how basing your book on attacking this racist is not appealing.

any fantasy novel in a prehistoric setting?

Grew up reading tons but haven't been reading much, besides a bit of manga, the last years. What should I read to get better taste? I''ve been reading Mistborn, Discworld, and Best Served Cold since I own them and enjoy it all, but can't realte to the criticism much and some obviously have higher standards so I feel like I'm missing out.

>>15899161
Gilgamesh

>>15899120
I'm just saying that he posted an excerpt from an interview, instead of the book, just like that anon said he would do.

>>15899171
Taste is a mindset. It doesn't work that way.

>>15899161
Is this bait, considering the preceding conversation?

>>15899207
Explain? I'd consider myself to have better experience and taste in games, animated movies and manga. I'm not looking to adopt someone else's viewpoints from reading more, but to develop my own taste and broaden horizons.

I don't care what moot said. Summerfags is a thing. This thread will 404 within 24 hours. We are less than 6 hours up and already a few posts away from 200 posts.
If this happening at the time when school usually closes doesn't prove summerfags exist, then I don't know what will.

>>15899217
>we were talking about author's politics, therefore asking for a prehistoric setting must be bait
How does this make sense to you?

>>15899244
Sci-Fi and Fantasy are coming back.

Deal with it.

>>15899252
Books that lewd the loli?

Recommend me something with nice prose that's also fast-paced.
All fast-paced books I can find have shit writing.

>>15899265
It's just that they are written by chinks.

>>15899189
i already read it. good myth.
>>15899217
no. im interested in prehistoric settings.

>>15899252
>>15899278

See
>>15898698
Broken Earth by Jemisin is that.

>>15899244
Schools aren't in session due to covid.

>>15899286
Broken Earth isn't prehistoric, it's alternating between Not-Rome and a magic post-apocalypse

anyone like daniel black books?

Any other series like The First Law?

Low Fantasy type stuff with a focus on strong characterization instead of autistic Erikson-like world building.

>>15898340
I think you're lost sir, the Mom NTR thread for bugmen Larpers is on /h/

>>15899265
are they tough? the overwhelming majority of releases for the past 5 years have been absolute garbage. If there was some "great" book release I missed it in the pile of excrement spewed by so called "authors" who can barely string a proper sentence together.

>>15899241
You're linking "taste" with "standards". I read what you wrote as "How can I be more accepted by the people who consider themselves elitists or the literary snobs of genre fiction?"

>>15899286
thanks

>>15899295
Explain how when this weekend started we went from snail to turbo.

>>15899312
it's still July

>>15899312
More people are available in general on the weekends.

D*scord group read of Exhalation by Ted Chiang starts sometime tomorrow (sunday july 19th). We will discuss the first two stories: "The Merchant and the Alchemist's Gate", and "Exhalataion".
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

I just reread Shatterpoint, still like it a lot, even more than a decade later. Sure, there are a few corny moments, but otherwise it's perfect.
They really don't make them as they used to.

>>15899161
>>15899189

What about antediluvian? I've thought it would be neat to write something set there since there's a lot you could do and I don't think it has been utilized that much in the fantasy medium.

>>15899309
Ok, fair. I don't care much for acceptance, that's not happening anyway. I just want to explore notable works, and not spend time reading stuff I'll regard as mediocre given more experience.

>>15898677
>how do you know you don't like the turd sandwich unless you eat it first?

>>15899301
The Monarchies of God and The Macht Trilogy by Paul Kearney

>>15899351
Does it matter how you feel about it later if you enjoy it in the present?

>>15899270
Full length novels can't really have a fast-pace to them so what you want to read are short stories or at least novellas.

>>15899301
It's been a while since I read it, but they all seemed pretty boring. Glokta is a ruthless bastard, the girl is a ball of pure hate, etc. There never seemed to be more to them.

>>15899359
I'm not 100% settled on that, but with other mediums I've found that to be the case. Rising standards cause less enjoyment of some things sure, but also makes me appreciate better works more, and sometimes it's interesting to dissect something I dislike as well.

>>15899301
>First law
>Strong characterization

>>15899333
https://mega.nz/file/eo8BDZJT#mpAyos5iwdy7zpl9ChKV9dQlyKhyIBE2CGdARMGSMSA

>>15899363
There are some fast-paced novels like Heroes Die.
I don't like short stories, can't even fully explain why, they kinda don't seem worth the effort.

>>15899384
It's a progression. You may not be able to appreciate now what you will in the future and may ruin your future enjoyment if you do so. If you read other stuff too late, you'll miss out having been able to enjoy it. It's best to do whatever is most appropriate for where you currently are.

>>15899389
What books have strong characterization for you?

>>15899413
Fantasy books or actual books?

>>15899409
>doesn't seem worth the effort to spend 10 minutes reading a short story
>does seem worth the effort to spend 10 hours reading something extremely long
>length = quality
Ah, so this is how we got to where we are.

>>15899419
Both.

>>15899409
Yikes

>>15899424
Lord Brocktree and The Crossing

>>15899423
>>15899425
I don't think it's something to fight over, some people just don't like short stories. I even wrote that I can't fully explain why I dislike them. But feel free to seethe more.

Anything for a low stakes scifi? I don't need galaxies in danger of war, just a small cast of good characters with robo limbs and hard drives for brains.

>>15899349
did this period had civilization? im interested in something nomadic or hunter gatherer style. i'd like something related to civilization too or biblical settings.

>226 posts in 385 minutes
>0.59 posts per minute
>THIS THREAD IS GOING INSANELY FAST!
This is what being in a slow board bubble does to you.

>>15899437
Thanks. I never read Redwall, is Lord Brocktree a good place to start or should I go by release date?

>>15899474
tru

>>15899480
You didn't reply with based or cringe.

>>15899244
the thread gets like this about once a month on a weekend
school's been out for months anyway

>>15899477
They're ostensibly for children but I honestly think they still hold up, Lord Brocktree is the earliest in chronological order, after a certain point they become derivative but the ones with Martin and Luke following Lord Brocktree are definitely worth reading, publishing date is a little all over the place

>>15899515
Which means it's probably one guy who comes around once per month on a weekend doing it all.

>>15899532
Nice, I've read Mouse Guard and other inspired works and really like the aesthetic, so I'll at least try out that one then.

>>15897688
Nothing out there comes close. Bugmen writing is atrocious. I don’t know how anyone can make it through more than 20 pages

>black writers
>female writers
>black female writers
Oof. Yikes. Cringe.

>>15899652
do you have anything against nigger writers? i never read anthing by a nigger but there is some niggers that writes stuff and are known both in fantasy and outside of it.

>>15899689
Only black writer I've ever read is Charles Saunders and the one book of his I did read was pretty based. He basically created his own black version of Conan and put him in a fantasy version of Africa.

>>15899652
Hey man, cool it with the anti-semitic remarks

>>15899374
Glokta is ruthless but only because of his trauma. He occasionally shows mercy and it almost always bites him in the ass so it's understandable. Ferro is a ball of pure hate, again, because of her trauma. That makes it all the more meaningful when Logen and her become close

It's much better characterization than Malazan where everybody is essentially the same character with different motivations or Kingkiller where "characterization" is either sucking off or trying to kill Kvothe.

>>15899728
that sounds cool. i need to check that out.

>>15899743
Obviously it's because of their dark past. That's how it almost always goes.

>>15899728
Do you ever get tired of repeating yourself?
>>/lit/?offset=24&ghost=yes&task=search&search_text=charles%20saunders

>>15899758
Those two are the only edgy characters in a book with a cast of about a dozen, pretty good for grimdark fantasy

>>15899757
I've only read the first Imaro book so I can't comment on anything else Saunders has written, but there wasn't any woke racial bullshit. Probably because he wrote those stories in the 70s during the Sword and Sorcery boom and was writing them strictly as a fan of the genre.

>>15899743
We have a few character types in Malazan: funny crazies, not so funny (as in blood-thirsty) crazies, schemers, wise veterans, deceitful bastards, fearful guys, conceited powerful guys, naive youths, etc. So I wouldn't say they are all the same, though in my opinion those characters aren't too deep (then again it's not a character driven story).

>>15899776
The rest was so boring and samey that I don't even remember them at all.

good fantasy related black metal bands are:
summoning (LOTR)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y9TsxeWGt0
Caladan brood (Malazan Book of the fallen)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMXI_Zhqr1U

>>15899743
>>15899841
This. You have characters with a bunch of different motivations turned loose in one of the most ambitious acts of world building ever put to page. Yeah the characters are thin, but you don't need to know more than "he's a grizzled veteran/barbarian savant/ascended emperor" for it to work. Go read Dostoevsky if you want strong characterization.

Though I will say I enjoyed both Malazan and The First Law.

>>15896498
The Forever War

>>15896404
There's a sci-fi short story I can't recall the name of. It was an empty house with all kinds of utility robots still active and doing their duties, despite no humans being present to serve.

>>15899926
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_(short_story)

Just read this, the plot was a little meandering but the ending was kino.
And i need a older redhead femdom gf like Miss Brunner

>>15899935
Thank you

Every thread should be at least twice this speed.

>>15900068
i like speed but i don't like it when a thread turn into a groupchat. a thread every day is good. making two a day is too much.

>>15900068
>>15900252
Shut up, nerds.

>>15896415
new sun

>>15899308
You obviously do not read POC authors, who are making some of the most original fantasy texts in years.

>>15900423
Like what?

>rereading parts of Ring
>want to look up details about Xeelee nightfighters and other things
>every wiki is a copypaste with barely any detailed overall info
fucking weird

>>15898838
Based reviewer, keep up the good work

>>15900450
It's not my job to educate you. Educate yourself.

>>15900494
t. default response when someone asks to be shown any evidence

>>15900502
No bro, don't you want to read the heroes journey but with a spunky mutt heroine?

The posts shall now slow

>>15900423
No they are not.
>WHAT IF WE WUZ LUBCRAFTZ N' SHIEET BUT CRACKAZ WUZ DA MONSTAZ
So original.

>>15897872
I kinda like donaldson but if I met him in the street and he tried to use the word cynosure in a sentence I think I'd just kill him right there.

>>15898677
I read the broken earth trilogy and I sometimes complain about how bad it is.

>>15900969
Were you autism?

>>15901063
I am autism

>>15899962
too druggy for me
and I was confused by the random vore for a good while

>>15900969
You shall now be arrested shortly for making a terroristic threat via social media.

>>15901084
>too druggy for me
Has Moorcock ever talked about how drugs affected his writing? I remember reading an Elric story and thinking, "He was definitely on some shit when he wrote this."

>>15896475
Critiquing literature on didactics is for retards, the main issue with fantasy is that most authors don't seem to have a passion for anything beyond the superficial and their books reflect that. Look at Sanderson, he's said that one of his primary inspirations for writing fantasy is to write about things he finds are cool but looking at his books his tastes are fairly bland and uninteresting

>>15901108
He likes magic systems which is one of the worst things to happen to fantasy.

Where do I start with sword and sorcery?

When I grow up I want to read literary fiction like a big boy! - a chorus of manchildren

>>15901099
I'd be like a cynosure then wouldn't I.

What am I in for?

>>15901125
With Robert E. Howard; the man who created S&S. Read all of his Conan, Kull, Solomon Kane, and Bran Mak Morn stories.

>>15901123
You're missing what's wrong with Sanderson by a bit. "Magic systems bad" is a tvtropes tier criticism, picking out some broad scope trope you don't like instead of actually addressing his writing on any level that matters. The problems with his writing are more nuanced, for example he just doesn't have a particularly interesting or developed view on how societies function so every time there's a conflict on that level in his stories it devolves into platitude and cliche

>>15901149
Sigh, no, sure...

>all these anons jealous of the few multi-millionaire authors in the world

>>15901189
>The problems with his writing are more nuanced, for example he just doesn't have a particularly interesting or developed view on how societies function so every time there's a conflict on that level in his stories it devolves into platitude and cliche
And where do you think that those issues begin? From his obsession with MAGIC SYSTEMS. He'd rather devote more time developing his precious magic systems than anything else.

>>15901152
Egan going full-tilt hard sci-fi as he always does and not caring the slightest bit about anything other than his convoluted scientific theories.

>>15901070
You are become autism, destroyer of self.

>>15901205
That's not how writing works, Sanderson is just a boring person and he carries that with him into his writing. He wouldn't be magically a better writer if he didn't care about magic systems

>>15896404
Is modern fantasy really that bad compared to what came before, bros?

If so, I'm curious to hear why.

>>15901240
Dear Anon,
Being boring is what makes him successful.
Yours Truly, A Different Anon

>>15901249
Do you care about /pol/itics?
If so, yes.
If no, no.
This also explains the why.

>>15901249
It has mainly to do with the big publishers decades ago preferring to publish long-winded epic fantasies because they could make more money off bigger paperbacks. And so short story fantasy all but died when that happened and short stories are where fantasy REALLY shines as far as creativity and variety goes.

>>15901268
Not really. Sci-fi does much better in short stories because they can explore and idea easily that way without it collapsing on itself from being too long. Fantasy, not nearly so much.

>>15901183
No, that's Sword & Sandal.

>>15901280
Yes really. Did you not read the first part where I explained that publishers wanted to focus on bloated epic fantasy? There's no creativity or variety to be found in bloated epic fantasy. You have no idea what you're talking about. Short story fantasy fiction all but died in the 80s because of this. Fantasy from the 30s to the 50s had so much more creativity and variety than fantasy from the 80s onward and that's because most of that older fantasy weren't forced by publishers to write full length novels just to make more money.

>>15901289
Go meme someone else, son.

>>15901307
>Fantasy from the 30s to the 50s had so much more creativity and variety than fantasy from the 80s onward

Any good short story recs from those decades?

>>15901307
I assume you mean short novels and not short story.

>>15897247
Harry fucks a grand total of three women in the entire series and one of them was being kind controlled into loving him

I can't wait until we can express everything with thought without relying upon words.

>>15901307
P U R E
I D E O L O G Y

>>15901338
and he wasn't married to any of them? What a degenerate.

>>15901307
Let me guess, this is you
>>15901183

i like stuff with hellscapes
pls recommend me hellscape literatur

>>15901420
Any modern sff book set on contemporary Earth.

>>15897377
It's literal BDSM porn.

>>15897913
No.

>>15898893
Wrong.

>>15896441
Include your yourself in that list next time, and /sffg/ as well.

Sub 12 hour limit reached.

Is Conan the Barbarian part of the Cthulhu Mythos?

>>15901392
Yeah the reason you don’t have sex is because you’re saving yourself anon that must be it

>>15901507
Everything is part of the Cthulhu Mythos.

>>15901753
>>15901753
>>15901753
new thread

>>15896441
pretty based desu