/lit/ - Literature

>>15867234
Get off the Internet anytime

>>15867234
Marxism is pro-paedophilia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcvGX2PfBVI

>>15867234
Selfishness. They only support what caters to them (Nazism, Fascism, etc.)

>>15867234
why did straight white men make marxism?

>>15867252
You are a living parody

>>15867256
>white

>>15867234
i don't

because fuck noggs

>>15867256
>white

>>15867256
>бeлый
>нaтypaл

>>15867234
>Why do straight white men oppose Marxism?
It denies the beauty of the European woman.

>>15867234
Because equality is for cringe betas and Whites are the master racem, inheriting glorious hierarchical culture from the most powerful and most based empire to have ever graced the history of this beautiful planet.

>>15867343
>Wow, trannies looks like that!?

>>15867234
>Why do straight white men oppose movement that hates them and wants to take all their power and replace it with a system that never works in real life

/lit/ is pretty pro-marxism though. What's the /lit/ sex demography like?

https://strawpoll.com/s6hp1ogz1

>>15867343
Nat...

>>15867343
Literal perfection.

>>15867377
>/lit/ is pretty pro-marxism though
lol no

the real reason is because the people pushing marxism are shitty selfish moralists which automatically turns off most from even looking at it.

>>15867377
/lit/ is tranny territory

>>15867343
>woman

>>15867397
David Harvey seems pretty based as a Marxist.

>>15867234
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires etc.
Everyone is easily fooled

>>15867265
Socialism was a lot of people’s idea because capitalism was a raw deal from the start. Stop thinking a single race is behind everything bad in your life and realize it’s the system you’re fooled i to supporting

>>15867343
Moggs everyone.

>>15867377
There are at most 3 women online at any time and you can notice them because they are pretentious, insecure, post about Simone de Beauvoir, use r*ddit humor, write long posts to pretend erudition, and so on

>>15867397
This
99% of them are smug elitists with extreme superiority complex

>>15867256
oh sweaty..

>>15867427
Just spotted one

>>15867343
I think you meant to post bonbi.

I hold dual nationality Israeli/Australian and I oppose marxism.

>>15867256
>Germ*n
>White
pick one

>why do the people who would have their property seized oppose an ideology that wants to seize their property

>>15867343
SHE'S 16
PEDO PEDO PEDO

The norm for marxism is as follows:
>is supported by people who do worse than average because equality for them means going up
>is opposed by people who do better than average because equality for them means going down
Exceptions are autists, schizos, the mentally ill, children, manchildren, etc who may lean either way but they make up about 1% of the population and 40% of /lit/ population

>>15867470
>40% of /lit/ population
Accurate

>>15867412
Kill yourself.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

>>15867234
Simply put, because marxism is being used (rightly or wrongly) to oppose them. Look at the popularized movements and their dichotomies:

Marxists: proletariat vs bourgeoisie
Feminists: patriarchy vs women
Minorities: minorities vs whites

All stratas of power have a white male overlap, but that doesn't mean all white males are powerful. So when the foundation of culture of the poor white male: private protery (rooted in self-sufficiency), republicanism (as a concept not the party), religion and "toxic" masculinity is disregarded, it makes it hard for them to see what's in it for them.

I am obviously one of those men. I was reading about Saint-Simon, George Sand and all the earlier utopian socialists that wanted the socialist spirit to accentuate Christ's teachings, and I wonder why the socialists have not tried that angle again?

Why keep banging your head against the wall, denying the natural order and listening to the Stirner loving Marx who was quite obviously wrong about religion being the flower on the chains, etc etc.

>>15867529
>minorities vs whites

>>15867529
>Stirner loving Marx
you wot m8?

>>15867529
private property*

>>15867540
>USA
>white
think again

>>15867252
the instincts are these:
>opt-out of unfair systems
>build fair systems
white men expressing this will makes (((marxists))) recoil

>>15867542
I realise it was Engels who actually complimented Stirner in what I was reading, but the point is essentially the same: instead of agreeing with the likes of Feuerbach about the excellence of Christ (regardless of who created who), Marx and most communists thereafter rejected the benefits of religion until practically Gramsci, it seems.

And even to this day, atheism seems to be at the root of popular communism.

>>15867468
>Mmmm, 16.

>>15867470
>>15867529
I noticed that people who promote equality always do it in their self interest but pretend to be virtuous
Pic related

>>15867570
Marx literally ranted about Stirner for longer than Feuerbach in German Ideology

>>15867234
>Why do straight white men oppose Marxism?
I've been reliably informed over and over by /lit/ leftists that marxists would ask no such thing and that it is liberals and capitalists who ask such questions.

Were /lit/ leftists telling me a lie?

>>15867529
stirner hated marx lol

>>15867590
What a dumb generalising chart.

>>15867604
What a shitty retort

>>15867462
>marxism means no one has their own property
People who do not support marxism are just missing out on a good theoretical apparatus that describes how current socioeconomical system cucks everyone to the oblivion. But hey, blaming jews and posting escapist fantasies are easier way out. There is nothing more cringe than people willingly submitting to the status quo ideology.

>>15867610
Garbage response.

>>15867602
>>15867591

I meant Engels. But the point is still largely the same, in that it still resulted in a rejection of christianity. Any thoughts on saint-simonism, fourier, etc?

>>15867618
imagine thinking you need to be a (((marxist))) to criticize the status quo
>Trillions of National Debt
>Bank bailouts
>Corporate subsidies
>Welfare
>Social housing
>Interventionism
>Stock buybacks
>Fiat currency
>Quantitative Easing
>Central banking
>Too big to fail
>World Bank
>International Monetary Fund

arent "capitalism". If capital can be created at will its not capital. All those things listed affect the purchasing power of ALL the currency in circulation - it affects the collective.

this is communism - global communism.

>>15867635
I assume you already read Utopian and Scientific?

>>15867645

>>15867618
That's the thing, though. Most of us are not happy with the status quo. It's just because we didn't pick marxism that we are nazis, in the mainstream and your eyes.

It all stems from the fact that most of us do not want to reject religion, masculinity, a semblence of property, and our only options are secular socialism or LGBT neoliberalism
We don't want either.

>>15867343
Stop posting this in threads you fucking faggot. And I know it's you from the /tv/ thread yesterday.

>>15867657
>religion, masculinity, a semblence of property
they are not in contradiction with marxist theory

>>15867265
>>15867297
>>15867446
what is engels. what is marx distaste and distance from the jewish community, what are the young hegelians, what are all the first adopters and contributer to marxism.

>>15867645
huge amounts of cash created at will to help other capitalists instead of ordinary people is the peak effect of capitalist system

The pre-marxists, and co., are just better.

t. white dude non-marxist

>>15867679
it's marxist practice we're concerned with.

>>15867651
Not in full I'll admit. Anything you would suggest afterwards?

>>15867697
capitalists don't need central banking
statists/marxists/communists do

>>15867689
Marx practically identified as a jew in every respect without identifying as a quote "jew". And as such not with the jewish people.

>>15867701
what exactly? I hope its not something that is actually an effect of the current liberal system, you know like loss of values and traditions and so on

>>15867710
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/ludwig-feuerbach/ch03.htm

>>15867718
>capitalists don't need central banking
yes they do, and do pray tell me how the notion of bank is even compatible with communism

>>15867729
>During the first five years of Soviet power, the Bolsheviks executed 28 Russian Orthodox bishops and over 1,200 Russian Orthodox priests. Many others were imprisoned or exiled.

Events like this.

>>15867729
Ah yes, I remember when those capitalists in Soviet Russia went apeshit with atheism against traditional russian beliefs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists

>>15867759
I have read something on this before, and I just can't help but think that socialists would be ultimately more successful if they listened to Feuerbach and not Marx.

>>15867234
Because Marxism encourages all kinds of degeneracy that ends with the destruction of western society, not that other societies contributed much in the first place. Every other civilization aspires to be like the west which straight white men built. Marxism takes western society as the blue print of the highest form of civilization and gives it to the dogs which end with savages believing that they're equal to western society when they aren't.

>>15867679
I thought Marxism was explicitly atheistic and disbelieved in private property. Certainly every marxist movement attacked the church and property.

>>15867763
>>15867764
if you had an elementary knowledge of marxist theory, you would know that prole revolution and communism can come only after capitalism has reached its peek. Bolshevik revolution was literally trying to achieve communism after feudalism, a group of monkeys chimping out is not marxist praxis. Marx literally said Russia is not yet prepared for communism. And Marx went against religion to the extent that it served as a cope for proles. Its sad to see that discourse on marxism hasnt progressed past meme-level.

>>15867618
Replace Jew with "capitalist" and you'll find you're of the same ilk.

>>15867827
No, proper marxist critique is aimed at the workings of the system and not at the "le ebin evil cabidalisds". Marxism is beyond resentful moralization.

>>15867252
Will nazism or fascism do them any good in the end though? Don't get me wrong, it will probably make them happy momentarily by getting rid of minorities but what then? It will just further accelerate their suffering

>>15867812
>it wasnt real Marxism

>>15867252
Aren't you the people who chastise others for voting against their economic interests?

>>15867839
"Getting rid of the minorities" isnt the essence of fascism

>>15867343
She knows she's perfect

>>15867412
I'm an actual millionaire. Get fucked, seething poorfag. The world belongs to winners

>>15867845
If praxis is at odds with the basics of the marxist theory, then yes, its not a real marxism. Call it leninism if you will, meme all you want, but its not real marxism

>>15867760
the Communist Manifesto demands a state monopoly central bank in order to use its inflationary power (ie money printing) to dispossess the owners of private wealth so it can be redistributed "according to need"

>>15867412
have sex

>>15867839
As this anon said>>15867863 , but you seem to suffer from the central misconception that Fascism is about selfishness or egoistic stimulation, rather than duty and human values.

>>15867871
Why has there never been a real marxist movement?

>>15867871
Well said coomrade, the sexual revolution will not await for class reductionist reactionaries to improve the current state of things, no parasan!

>>15867812
>if you had an elementary knowledge of marxist theory
The original issue was marxist practice. Your original claim here >>15867729 blamed loss of values and traditions on liberalism. The existence of groups like the League of Militant Atheists prove this wrong. It's one counter-example among many (Mao's cultural revolution being another) of Marxists upending the values and traditions of societies where it takes power.

Because present day Marxists are opposed to straight white men.

>>15867864
Well maybe if you stop being such a faggot posting these ugly cartoons and you'll be able to get a girl like this.

In real life she's shortish-average height and her body is extremely thin, there's no one so visually beautiful in this world that will incarcerate every living being by its fixture, that's a misunderstanding of beauty. Only a mix of visual attractivity and prestige will do even similar to that.

So just act like a man and stop simping.

>>15867234
White men are by nature cunning glory hounds, individualistic but mostly loyal to their local communities and leaders if well led, and uninterested in utopian ideas but interested in what will allow them the freedom of adventure as well as a peaceful shire for their family and friends to return to.

>>15867812
scientology tier reasoning and cult behavior

>>15867873
its only a matter of passage from capitalism to communism. Communism in marxist theory has no place for money.

>>15867234
...Because they're the ones who are going to have to pay for everything. Will probably be the first executed too.

>>15867921
As well modern day marxists do themselves no favors for their entire rhetoric nowadays being circled around how white men are the ultimate evil and oppressors.

>>15867910
Oh I think you're assuming too much, anon. Believe me, I'm the opposite of a simp. I'm just admiring this young lady's beauty. Besides I already have a gf.

>>15867885
>duty and human values

>>15867956
>I'm just admiring this young lady's beauty.
Plenty fine with that, rather a right thing to do. But come now posting anime, and such a queer one at that? Come now and accept it's worthlessness.

>>15867969
Fake; but even if the picture isn't(still not conceding to the holocaust), it still remains a championing of "human values" yes, which Stalinist Russia, or Communism, had to itself accept.

>>15867969
And furthermore, irrespective of my beliefs, they were the beliefs of Fascists. They didn't want to change nature nor did they believe they could.

>>15867969
Something about eggs and omelettes

>>15867234
keyword: responsibility.

>>15867931
communism "in theory" is never going to exist, so who cares what your special snowflake version of it is? if you want to get to heaven, you're going to have to believe in Jesus Christ, kike.

>>15867234
Ideology brought up from a sheltered upbringing.

>>15867892
because marxism is incompatible with movements
>>15867896
Then define what "marxist practice" meas. I dont think you can say that marxist practice is something that contradicts its basic theoretical principles
>>15867922
where exactly?

I dont want this to end up in another shit slinging contest by repeating old cliche discussion points, my main point is that most of the people haven't actually marx, conflate it with leninist interpretation of it or >>15867947 with sjw culture like this anon. Marx mostly viewed religion as a reaction of protest against shitty conditions of life. He praised spirituality. He was against the notion of property that is not our common sense notion of property. He wasn't a woke bae who was against evil white man. Any inovative praxis today can only be erected on the top of his work. Unless you prefer resentful outbursts or escapism.

>>15868030
with our understanding of what movement is*

>>15868030
>marxism is incompatible with movements
We are reaching galaxy-brain levels that shouldn't even be possible

>>15867989
How do you explain the hundreds of thousands of photos documenting the Holocaust?

>>15868030
>incompatible with movements
So should marxists sit passively and await the passing of capitalism the same way Christians sit passively and await the coming of Christ?
>He praised spirituality.
Wasnt he a materialist?

>>15868055
>hundreds of thousands

>>15868046
I know that it sounds dumb, but there cant be a marxist movement. There can be only world-wide revolution in capitalist countries, no protesting, no funny stuff, only revolutions of proles

>>15868070
>Certainly, Marx did not object to a spiritual life. Rather, he thought it was necessary. In the "Wages of Labour" (1844), Marx wrote: "To develop in greater spiritual freedom, a people must break their bondage to their bodily needs—they must cease to be the slaves of the body. They must, above all, have time at their disposal for spiritual creative activity and spiritual enjoyment.
he was fairly conservative in his own private life too

>>15868071
Alright, how do you explain ANY of the images?

>>15868074
>revolutions
in idleness?

>>15868055
there are no photos documenting "the Holocaust" because what those words refer to are not a historical fact, but a specific Jewish victimhood narrative which was invented and propagandized years after the war in order to weaken resistance to globalism and mass immigration

>>15868030
>Then define what "marxist practice" meas
Don't need to define anything, you ivory tower midwit. We can give concrete examples of marxism in PRACTICE. That's what was done above.
>I dont think you can say that marxist practice is something that contradicts its basic theoretical principles
It contradicts your causal claim that marxists practices don't entail loss of values and traditions.

>>15868125
What is a foundation myth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_myth
It fulfills three functions.

1) It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
2) It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
3) It determines what is held sacred in that society.

For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.
2) "Ultimate evil" is Nazis. "Ultimate good" is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.
3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.
Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.
Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the "personification of evil", holds the center point of the WWII story.
Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

**Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned**
This is by jew design.

>>15868113
No, of course there has to be mobilization, I added to my post "incompatible with our understanding of what movement is*". I just wanted to make a distinction between reformist movements of today (antifa, gay movements, blm and so on) and revolution of proles. They have nothing to do with each other. My poor choice of words.

>>15868125
So the countless images, anecdotes, missing people, people alive today with Auschwitz tattoos, are all made up? Surely you aren't this retarded

>>15868134
Okay, so someone killing another man in the name of the god would be authentic christian practise for you?

>>15867839
>nazism or fascism
The actual result of nazism and fascism ironically enough was a machine for killing straight white men, along with everybody else.

>>15868148
what is the essence of "the Holocaust"? if given competing explanations for certain events, narratives, or photos you perceive as belonging to its mythology, how many of them can be removed before you yourself become a denier?

>>15867540

Whenever someone says they're a marxist or leftwing I can't help but imagine a giant fucking cuck with limp wrists or a tranny or a shitskin.

>>15868196
nooooooo you can't just lump proles together using stereotypes it's dehumanizing

>>15867234
Because only mutts call themselves "white". Mutts are natural enemy of Marxism.

>>15868097
Well obviously many of them are edited, that's been proven beyond doubt already. But at the same time the jews did go to camps.

Take for example pic related, it can be shown to be fake with only a little inspection, but there does exist the original photo wherein the only two figures that look so cliche starved were not in the original.

>>15868196
Because the imaginary of rightwingers, traditionalists and etc., who post on the internet is of the muscular aryan type right? People should go beyond weak ad hominems. The enemy is not ordinary people, even if they are "ignorant" from you point of view.

I don't.

>>15868148
why do the "death camps" keep getting reclassified as work camps? what's happening to the history? we're down to just a few camps on whom we rely on the word of communist soviets to fill in our narrative gaps. can we afford to lose another? is it even "the Holocaust" anymore?

>>15867343
Bros....

>>15868254
>Someone fell for fake pictures meme
Are you being ironic or literally suffering intellectual impairment? Show us the "original".

>that's... really something

because we're the best and can take care of ourselves and it's bullshit that others try to make us take care of their weak asses
i pray that all lefties will be exterminated like the parasites they are, so that humanity may be freed from its burden and achieve its promised greatness

>>15867462
The majority of people that do not support Marxism are the people that would benefit from it most. American propaganda (for the capitalist class) would have you believe otherwise.

>>15868397
If leftists would die, the society and the system wouldn't change much. Think beyond anger and ressentiment.

>>15868152
>Okay, so someone killing another man in the name of the god would be authentic christian practise for you?

You're implying a strawman and a shit analogy. Your analogical question here (Christian practice) has the features of killing and some sort of justification ("in the name of God"). The original argument (the practices of Marxists) had the features of killing as well, and a causal effect that you implied didn't exist ("loss of values and traditions are not from marxist practices"). So the comparison isn't the exact features presented in the original claim, thus making it a strawman analogy.

>>15868411
My analogy was more concerned with a theoretical justification of an action. Someone who kills in the name of God isnt necessarily a christian, just as someone who kills priests and destroys culture in the name of marxist theory isn't actually a marxist. The flaw I see in your arguments is that you equate those who did things and called themselves marxists with actual marxist practise, you don't see a problem here.

>>15868446
>My analogy was more concerned with a theoretical justification of an action
Yes, which I've already said multiple times has jackshit to do with the counter-arguments being made in your original assertion. You're basically strawmanning and whataboutism hard here.
>The flaw I see in your arguments is that you equate those who did things and called themselves marxists with actual marxist practise, you don't see a problem here.
There's no flaw in my argument, because you keep strawmanning and making irrelevant counters that have nothing to do with the original issue. The only flaw here is your inability to admit you are wrong in the face of evidence because you're a typical mentally ill commie. You seriously can't admit that the things you blame on others doesn't exist in your own ideology in the face of verified evidence. I'm done discussing this with you, as you are a wackadoo midwit.

>>15868343
Well I tried googling it and it didn't come up because of google search patterns, but for example see this>>15868364

>>15868343
>>15868534
Besides, literally look at the fucking arm of the one standing up, and the faces of the two edited in ones compared to others; completely fake.

>>15868523
I dont really understand the name calling, and no, I'm not a commie. Why are you so reluctant to acknowledge that there is an issue of defining a concept? Why do you take it as a given that those, who call themselves marxists are inevitably marxists? You just try to avoid the definition of a concept, because you lack theoretical knowledge to define what constitutes marxist praxis. And how my analogy is irrelevant? Are priests diddling little kids doing christian praxis? Can't you see the problem? If you dont define what constitutes christian praxis, you cant equate those who calls christians and do stupid shit with christian praxis itself.

>>15868254
Read a fucking book and take your meds

>>15868565
>I dont really understand the name calling
I'll continue name calling, because you keep acting like a smug asshole about how "people don't understand marxist theory" as if that is necessary for criticism. You do realize there is a thing called philosophy that allows you go to meta and criticize both the arguments as they present themselves and the philosophical assumptions behind them? It's no wonder there were "philosophers' ships" in Soviet russia, because you smug totalitarian assholes can't handle two seconds of criticism that starts poking holes in your bullshit.
>Why are you so reluctant to acknowledge that there is an issue of defining a concept?
Why don't you understand that philosophy and psychology both allow for exemplars as a way of conceptual analysis? Why don't you understand your original post here >>15867729 doesn't stand up to causal scrutiny in the face of historical counter-examples? Why you are eschewing historical examples that clearly undermine that post? As the other anon said, the tl;dr is basically the best meme against your family resemblance political positions: "it's not real communism/marxism!"
>You just try to avoid the definition of a concept, because you lack theoretical knowledge to define what constitutes marxist praxis.
You lack knowledge of both philosophy and scientific methodology. Read late Wittgenstein on examples in conceptual analysis, or read psychology on exemplar theory. By the way, both "definition" and "concept" are ambiguous terms. Both have several meanings, there's several definitions of definition, and concepts are conceived of in several ways. Quite sophistic to claim someone else is avoiding it, while being slippery in your own meanings. Morever, saying the "definition of a concept" is not quite correct and is a sign that you're larping as someone you aren't. You're mixing up the linguistic with something that has deeper features connecting mind with reality.
>And how my analogy is irrelevant?
We've been over this you illiterate larper. You've snuck in a feature (theoretical justification) into the analogy that wasn't present in the original claim. The original claim was about a causal effect you said didn't exist.

I'll leave you to dwell on these questions as this is really my last post now, don't give a fuck about your answers because I know it'll be some smug clever-silly reddit shit that once again ignores the post that started this conversation as you hide behind muh theory and your shit understanding of philosophy.

>>15868775
just have sex bro

>>15868680
You shouldn't be against opposing ideas, in the public discourse of ideas craziness is allowed, rather necessary. There have been more crazy ideas proven to be true.

>>15868850
It isn't an "opposing idea", it's just wrong

>>15868927
Yes, you consider this opposing idea wrong. If you didn't consider anything wrong there wouldn't be any opposing ideas. Duh.

Besides, why would you care about human life tankie?

>>15868775
Okay, I realized what you're aiming at. I said current system destroys values and traditions (I really just thought anon I replied to had in mind some kind of cultural marxist conspiracy) and you replied that the same happened with marxists in bolshevik revolution, so its not an effect of liberalism.

So okay, you presented a logical critique of my argument (what matters for you is formal structure of my argument and not the content). You could have just said "You say there is no causal relation between marxism and destroying of values and tradition, but my factual counter example proves otherwise". Thats it, no need to ad hom. Your logical thinking is correct, but you factual example rests on a concept of Marxist praxis. Now, you have read Plato and other big names, you're a big boy and you understand that even if the logical structure of your argument is correct, the concepts can be invalid (or at least in need of elaboration). You have to define what marxist praxis means before arguing that instances of x and y can be equated with it. Thats the point of philosophical (and not of purely logical) discussion. So my point is then; lets define marxist praxis as an action that is not at odds with the main principles of marx's theory. Nowhere in his texts marx (maybe I'm wrong, prove me right) talks about the need to kill priests and philosophers or to destroy the culture and values in the same vein bolsheviks did. Ergo, its not marxist praxis, it is even at odds with basic principle that communist revolution has to happen in a capitalist country.

tl'dr, you did not separate logical arguing and definition of concept, which rests on factual informations. You need both, but you lacked the latter.

>>15868969
I'm far from a commie.

>>15867234
I'm a straight white man and I don't oppose Marxism. Also, on an unrelated note, I bench 400lbs.

>>15868989
based tranny /fit/bro

>>15867234
Why do people who supposedly hate elitism stand by Marxism.

>>15868989
based, I'm working on a system where I fuse andreia, critique of capitalist system (with its sjw ideology) and vitalism in general. Basically, those who dont want to be cucked under the current system have to lift weights, read good literature, read theory have to be brave and oppose any kind of moralism.

>>15867245
Literally the opposite of what Engels said in the origin of family.

>>15867265
>>15867689
Especially what is on the jewish question.
>>15867727
>Neet who hated political economy
>Identify as a jew.

>>15867234
Because marxists hate straight men. And all the straight white men in the movement are self hating but "one of the good ones" in their eyes.

>>15868095
This.
Tradcucks don't get that in order to achieve spirituality, you cannot be a wage-slave.
But tradcucks gonna be tradcucks. Defending a previous version of the Capitalist society. Some an idealised version of the 1950s, some the mythical far west, some Victorian society, with strict monogamy, but brothels everywhere (80000 prostitutes in London during that era).
Tradcucks want to put a church in front of the factory. Pray Jesus Christ Sunday morning, pray to be allowed to continue to be exploited for the wagies, and pray to be allowed to continue to be able to exploit for the Capitalists.
Tradcucks and progressivs are to be lumped together. They both defend the same mode of production based around private property of the means of production, wage labor, free market, exchange value and money. This mode of production is called Capitalism. They are both Capitalists.

Why are Americans allowed to post?

>>15867234
Why do anons make /pol/itical posts on a /lit/erature board?