/lit/ - Literature

>>15852608
What? If you are not baiting. Uninstall photoshop and start reading, anon. Unironically.

>>15852608
How old are you?

>>15852608
Have you ever read a Stoic work?

>>15852608
you've really missed the point and clearly haven't read Epictetus. Yes it promotes passivity in the sense that you shouldn't be vexed by things outside your control, but its certainly not obsequious.

There's a reason it "mysteriously" ceased existing in the third century.

https://www.academia.edu/7531536/Plotinus_and_the_Platonic_Response_to_Stoicism

>>15852608
>epictetus was literally a slave
and Marcus Aurelius was the literal emperor of Rome

>>15852608
It's not though. Even Nietzsche liked them.

>>15854340
dude was born into it lmao. its easy to say dont worry about things bro when you are emperor of the west

>>15854360
But he learned that from the teachings of Epictetus the literal slave and cripple? Are you this dense?

>>15854343
I would like to see what Nietzche said about them, can you point me in the right direction?

>>15854414
The Gay Science, Book One, Section 12

>>15854360
I don't think Machiavelli can like you if you're a cuck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerva%E2%80%93Antonine_dynasty#Five_Good_Emperors

>>15854427
danke schön

>>15854360

>Thinking Marcus Aurelius was just some hippie.

Also he wasn't born into it. He was adopted.

>>15854466
Not that anon but is there a meaningful distinction between being born into royalty and being adopted into it? Either way you're not the one who willed it into being. I like the stoics btw.

>>15852608
>it’s high estimation of logic and reason
>it’s belief on the inferiority and need to suppress emotion
>it’s belief in not focusing on things outside your control.

These factors meant that when it not only appeals to severely autistic and unempathetic but also he corporate types seeking mystical cbt.

Were it not for the works of Aristotle the enchiridion would go down as the great work of autism of the ancient west.

That said while it is easy to corrupt and sell to the buggish it’s not a bug philosophy

>>15854360
you sound like its a privilege to be emperor lmao, almost all of them got murdered

>>15854476
Depends on if you believe in free will.
And if you believe in blank slateism. Our personality is inherited and only slightly environmental, trauma does affect us but it doesn't affect everyone the same way due to their genetics. Thus I as I am could only come about through these genes, thus our birth isn't random luck or chance, rather to be born with our race and talents and even the class we have are the only way in which we could exist. Because they are intrinsic to our being, and not accidental like overrated environmental pressures.

>>15854551
I concur and you explained better than I was attempting too.

>>15854529
but they had sex anon, something only world-wide athletes and the elite can do

>>15854343
No he didn't like them.

Has there ever been a confirmed stoic sage other than Socrates ?

>>15854800
Diogenes

>>15852855
>things outside your control
Which is everything.

>>15854340
Marcus Aurelius was certainly virtuous in the sense that he tortured and killed Christians. I'll give him that.

>>15854882
that's the fucking entire point, everything besides your choices.

>>15854343
he did but he shat on them later on

>>15854900
Everything includes your choices. Your choices are physical states of your brain, caused by other physical states of your brain and your physical environment.

>>15854427
So I just read it, it seemed more like he was describing a part of stoicism, not necessarily praising them.

The Goal of Science. What? The ultimate goal of science is to create the most pleasure possible to man, and the least possible pain? But what if pleasure and pain should be so closely connected that he who wants the greatest possible amount of the one must also have the greatest possible amount of the other, that he who wants to experience the "heavenly high jubilation," * must also be ready to be "sorrowful unto death"?* And it is so, perhaps! The Stoics at least believed it was so, and they were consistent when they wished to have the least possible pleasure, in order to have the least possible pain from life. (When one uses the expression: The virtuous man is the happiest," it is as much the sign-board of the school for the masses, as a casuistic subtlety for the subtle.) At present also ye have still the choice: either the least possible pain, in short painlessness and after all, socialists and politicians of all parties could not honourably promise more to their people, or the greatest possible amount of pain, as the price of the growth of a fullness of refined delights and enjoyments rarely tasted hitherto! If ye decide for the former, if ye therefore want to depress and minimise man's capacity for pain, well, ye must also depress and minimise his capacity for enjoyment. In fact, one can further the one as well as the other goal by science! Perhaps science is as yet best known by its capacity for depriving man of enjoyment, and making him colder, more statuesque, and more Stoical. But it might also turn out to be the great pain-bringer! And then, perhaps, its counteracting force would be discovered simultaneously, its immense capacity for making new sidereal worlds of enjoyment beam forth !

>>15854946
Yeah desu, I deliberately misinterpreted your post. I see where you are coming from, but I am not ready to accept that just yet, but can see it happening.

>>15852608
Read Hegel. He agrees with you, up to a point. See the section in PhoS on Stoicism --> Skepticism --> Unhappy Consciousness.

>>15852608
>epictetus was literally a slave
And so are you.

>>15854962
No prob, thanks for the honesty. Always enjoy the journey.

>>15854343
https://youtu.be/GnyUIgt7C94

>>15852608
I'm not a stoic I prefer moldvugian detachment

>>15854551
>if you believe in free will
Only retards believe that shit.

>>15855037
holy cringe

>>15852608
it is hidden narcissism. I am better than you because I don't complain, lie about my feelings. stupid pederastism.

>>15855216
No, anon. It probably even inspired Christians.

>>15854360
You know their were multiple conflicts during his reign, right? He even wrote sections of the notes during military campaigns. He wasn't just relaxing in a palace.

>>15855221
It was one of few Pagan philosophies that wasn't entirely discarded by early middle age Christians

>>15854476

Not really, that was more just a point of information, though I imagine of you're adopted you probably have to work for it more, or at least have a little less sense of entitlement, so who knows?

Maybe ol' Marky A. was influenced by that or some shit.

>>15852608
The autism and lack of anything better to do really drives home that OP is projecting. Post a selfie bud.

>>15854360
>the life of a Emperor of Rome
>easy in the slightest.
Even the most lucky emperors who reigned in times of peace and stability still had multiple assassination attempts/barbaric raids/large scale political unrest. There was not a single point in Roman history where being the Emperor was something to be envied.

>>15852608
op is definitely a cringe betaboy

>>15852608
I always thought stoicism was just reserving emotions and emotional influence until they truly matter.

>>15855755
this is the way

>>15855221
christians? probably. but not christ. be like children. don't restrict yourself.

>>15852608
>Yes, I do prefer Socrates, Plato and Aristotle to the stoics

>>15853673
>Plato

>>15857082
>>15857087
Did the person who posted this think that it was funny?

>>15857098
Is that a hippocratic question?