/lit/ - Literature

I'm sure there's something wrong with this logic, but I fucking despise trannies so it gave me a lol.

>>15847912
I am a level 10 logician and I can say that there is no flaw in OP’s arguement.

>>15847151
based on a fundamental misunderstanding of trans people. if you were switched into a female body today you might think it's cool but you would not be happy to be stuck like that forever. it would feel fundamentally wrong. and every woman knows men have it easier. that's the crux of terf's arguements against the existence of FtM people.

point is moot anyway, despite all the impotent whining on 4chan, trans people will exist as long as people exist. in the same way homosexual people will never stop being born. arguements against their existence is silly, there are plenty of historical ftms that lived life as men. some weren't discovered to be bio females until their deaths. the "trannies never pass" meme was completely annihilated by that youtube makeup girl nikkitutorials who came out as trans. she's 6'4 and built like a fridge but no one doubted her being cis until she came out. go look at the archive for the comments on her old videos. not a single bit of suspicion about her being trans.

>>15847151
there's a reason why FtM trannies are vocal supporters of men's rights. They grew up with the privilege of being a woman and then realize what a shit deal men have in society.

>>15848189
>trans people will exist as long as people exist
yeah except for the 1.2 million years where they didn't.

>>15848207
lmao proof?

This post is schizo as fuck, but you do have a point about FTMs basically having female brains. You can say what you want about MTFs, but usually they are quite 'feminine' in their mannerisms and ways of thinking. I've never seen a manly MTF (when it comes to behaviour of course - a lot of them look like men). However, almost all FTMs I've seen on the internet act exactly like girls and I can easily tell when a guy isn't actually a guy and just an FTM tranny. My hypothesis is that trannyism is inherently a feminine pursuit. A masculine person wouldn't care about things such as 'gender identity'. Only effeminate people and faggot academics care about such things.

>>15848229
i disagree, i think it's also obvious many MtFs are male-brained, they often post constantly about autistic male interests.

>>15847151
i don't really care about trans stuff, i just think it's bizarre that so much ink is spilled on it when they're less than 1% of the population. there's so much discourse, esp. on the left, devoted to trans issues. i think this another area where it's clear MtFs have autistic male brains – basically all trans activists, amateur and pro, are biological males, they have a huge fixation on this issue.

>>15848430
>i disagree, i think it's also obvious many MtFs are male-brained, they often post constantly about autistic male interests.
As wholly female brained beings, they are driven wholly by their status, and the FtM tranny has placed their status in their presentation as being male.

>>15847984
damn where did you get that rating?

What about this stud?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD5g8_IEWpw

>>15848430
>they often post constantly about autistic male interests
true, but they usually have a "feminine" personality to make up for it. For example, they usually have female views on things and care about things no typical man would give a shit about, like if someone called them a faggot on the internet.

>>15848189
>every woman knows men have it easier.
Thats the opposite of true. Society coddles women both economically and socially. Maybe 200 years ago you'd be right but in 2020 there's no way to seriously believe men have it better

>>15847151
Fuck off onions, keep seething. While people like you obsess over "tradlife" and shitpost, jack off all day, I do all the men's work in this small farmer village i'm living in and I have a cute gf, all strangers call me "son". One day I'll transition into a man without anyone knowing, sure I'll be an ugly manlet and I'll have to face every difficulty that men are facing. Better than staying as female.
>>15848229
>However, almost all FTMs I've seen on the internet act exactly like girls and I can easily tell when a guy isn't actually a guy and just an FTM tranny.
Yeah you got a point but those are just internet trannies. Most of them are fat fujos who wanna larp as "cute gay boy". Yet they're the majority of internet's ftm trannies. Just like mtf trannies who wants to transition because of /pornaddiction/

so basically most guy trannies are trannies because being a female is the easy life in 2020. Or it’s because of all the xenoestrogens etc

>>15849231
They're incels who think they'll get sexual capital which is why they say shit like lesbians or straight men not wanting them is a symptom of transphobia

>>15847151 (OP) #
Fuck off onions, keep seething. While people like you obsess over "tradlife" and shitpost, jack off all day, I do all the men's work in this small farmer village i'm living in and I have a cute gf, all strangers call me "son". One day I'll transition into a man without anyone knowing, sure I'll be an ugly manlet and I'll have to face every difficulty that men are facing. Better than staying as female.
>>15848229 #
>However, almost all FTMs I've seen on the internet act exactly like girls and I can easily tell when a guy isn't actually a guy and just an FTM tranny.
Yeah you got a point but those are just internet trannies. Most of them are fat fujos who wanna larp as "cute gay boy". Yet they're the majority of internet's ftm trannies. Just like mtf trannies who wants to transition because of /pornaddiction/

>>15849254
>Fuck off onions, keep seething. While people like you obsess over "tradlife" and shitpost, jack off all day,
Nice projection

>>15848189
>she's 6'4 and built like a fridge but no one doubted her being cis until she came out.
Lol, sure buddy

>>15848189
>she's 6'4 and built like a fridge but no one doubted her being cis until she came out
Maybe people were afraid she'd beat them to death?

>>15849861>>15850008
lazy retard, look at any archive of the comments on her videos. she truly was not suspected to be trans in any way. tall cis girls loved her because they thought she was one of them. weak to delete your posts btw, really quick wit you have there :)


>>15848208
there are records of trans people existing before industrialization, of course there isn't evidence of them far in the past because it would just be some unremarkable suicide or gender non conforming person going missing. what do you think did gay people didn't exist before 100 years ago too?

>>15850008
Holy shit she's massive. The other anon is right though, I never suspected her of being trans. Though when I think about it I had never seen her next to anyone.

>>15850046
>lazy retard, look at any archive of the comments on her videos
Comments on youtube are curated and only acceptable ones are actually public.
I'm not gonna spend 4 hours sifting through comments to le epicly btfo internet tranny
>weak to delete your posts btw, really quick wit you have there :)
I just wanted to put a wittier reply because you seem to not have been responding

But YA GOT ME, i guess...

>>15848229
>You can say what you want about MTFs, but usually they are quite 'feminine' in their mannerisms and ways of thinking.
only a subset though

>>15847151
Wasn't there a board dedicated to LGBT bullshit?

Why do homos think this board should somehow be devoted to their bizarre perturbations?

Is it the inflow of Marxists? Has the increased presence of Marxist suddenly, for some mysterious reason, attracted a high number of homosexuals? Funny that wherever we see Marxists nowadays, we also see a high amount of homosexual discussions. Interesting!

OP didn't even mention a book, he just posted an image of a mediocre novel written by a teenager.

>>15850240
If you read OP's post he's clearly anti tranny in it

>>15847151
trannies BTFO

>>15847151
You certainly are able to wank to yourself, op.

>>15848189
that's just because tranny camo is a moving target that evolves based on perception. trannies who were convincing just a few years ago look like mutants now. it's foolishly naive to think that visual perception can't adapt to means being used to fool it. tranny will always stand out, they will never ever perfectly blend in and the longer a type is around the more people will learn to recognize it. and this is tradition, too. garden-variety gays used to be really good at blending in once as well

>>15847151
>You would first of all be able to masturbate to yourself
This goes for any gay person as well then.

>>15850952
bruh they still are. if a man doesn't want you to know they're gay you will never know they're gay. it's not like they grow horns retard. the thing is at a certain point(which has already been reached) you will be calling more masculine cis women trans than actual trans women. you can delude yourself into thinking you can always detect them but that is certainly not the case. unless you're fingering every woman you suspect of being trans.
>>15850132
you have been btfo. you're working backwards from the conclusion you can always spot trans women but unless you're the one in a billion person born with a dick detector in their head you can't. nikkitutorials was never suspected to be trans, there are a lot of la goblina massive cis women walking around too. you can hate trans women if you want that's fine but you'd be a hypocrite to call them delusional

>>15851357
>unless you're fingering every woman you suspect of being trans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6fgPX3NjyA

>>15851393
epic televison bit =/= real life. i'd respect you a lot more if you at least linked a book or a study or something

>>15851462
not that guy I just wanted to share a funny clip

>>15851489
fair enough, more suited for /tv/ than a literature board though my friend

>>15850240
Marxism is literally the opposite of transgenderism. If you had ever read a book, you would know that.

>>15851507
So is this thread as a whole, and 90% of the threads on nu-/lit/.

>>15850240
these threads are typically started and dominated by transphobes, you can't actually pin this on any pro-lgbtq element

>>15848189
>it would feel fundamentally wrong.
well that's because you're talking about magic you faggot. You can't change to the other gender, you can only mutilate your body to look like the other gender along with shoving hormones into your system.

>>15848189
>if you were switched into a female body
Stopped reading right there. You are your body. There is nothing to "switch".

>>15851800
No one has said hormones and surgery turn you into a different gender, just that it relieves dysphoria.

>>15851818
I'm sure the dysphoria of self-perceived ugly people is also 'relieved' (at least temporarily) by cosmetic surgery. That doesn't make it right.

>>15848189
>the "trannies never pass" meme was completely annihilated by that youtube makeup girl nikkitutorials who came out as trans. she's 6'4 and built like a fridge but no one doubted her being cis until she came out. go look at the archive for the comments on her old videos. not a single bit of suspicion about her being trans.
There are no ugly women, only lazy ones. Asians taking off their makeup in gifs are also BTFO ugly lazy trannies.

>>15851846
I don't think the experience of simply being ugly and the effect cosmetic surgery may have on those people is comparable. Reconstructive surgery after a serious accident is a different point.
>That doesn't make it right.
Why not? We have a group of people with a mental illness that makes their lives shitty, and we have a treatment that is shown to be effective.

>>15851916
>Why not?
Because until you learn to accept yourself, you will always be miserable.

>>15847151
Bullcrap yes they do.

>>15851937
I'm skeptical towards the idea of having self esteem training replace actual medical treatment. And for these people transitioning would be their way of accepting themselves.

>>15851960
>actual medical treatment
But it's not medical treatment. It's cosmetic surgery.

>>15851967
Plastic surgery is the right term, though not everyone has surgery and instead just opt for hormone treatment. The medical consensus is that it's effective in treating the issue, so I'm not sure what your opposition could be based on besides feefees.

>>15852008
>The medical consensus is that it's effective in treating the issue
Look at the history of medicine. The 'medical consensus' is usually wrong. In this case, it is shaped by how lucrative these surgeries are. It's quite sickening to think about. If you don't accept the body you were born in, the solution is not to start cutting things off.

>>15852008
>besides feefees
Rather ironic phrase, given that the medical industry is only motivated by the prospect of more fees-fees.

>>15852052
What should guide treatment if not the expertise of doctors and researchers?

>>15852082
Cosmetic surgery isn't "treatment". Gender dysphoria is a psychiatric disorder and the goal of treatment should be to enable the patient to accept the body he was born in.

>>15852117
Don't start going in circles, answer the question instead: what should guide treatment if not the expertise of doctors and researchers?

>>15852138
Which doctors? Which researchers? The entire medical system is sick and needs to be overhauled.

>>15852285
Most of them who've studied the effects of transitioning on trans people.
>We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings. We found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm.

>1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.

>2. Among the positive outcomes of gender transition and related medical treatments for transgender individuals are improved quality of life, greater relationship satisfaction, higher self-esteem and confidence, and reductions in anxiety, depression, suicidality, and substance use.

>3. The positive impact of gender transition on transgender well-being has grown considerably in recent years, as both surgical techniques and social support have improved.

>4. Regrets following gender transition are extremely rare and have become even rarer as both surgical techniques and social support have improved. Pooling data from numerous studies demonstrates a regret rate ranging from .3 percent to 3.8 percent. Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques.

>5. Factors that are predictive of success in the treatment of gender dysphoria include adequate preparation and mental health support prior to treatment, proper follow-up care from knowledgeable providers, consistent family and social support, and high-quality surgical outcomes (when surgery is involved).

>6. Transgender individuals, particularly those who cannot access treatment for gender dysphoria or who encounter unsupportive social environments, are more likely than the general population to experience health challenges such as depression, anxiety, suicidality and minority stress. While gender transition can mitigate these challenges, the health and well-being of transgender people can be harmed by stigmatizing and discriminatory treatment.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

>>15852390
Doesn't estrogen/testosterone supplementation directly improve mood by itself? How do you separate out the effects?

>>15847151
Dude I dated a 14 year old ftm tranny when I was 15 and it was great, he looked like a cute little dyke/tomboy. And it felt like kissing a girl too. But I guess he's been taking testosterone or something cause he looks a lot more like a dude now, it's pretty unfortunate

>>15852390
i mostly trust their research, however you'd have to be retarded not to see that anyone who has a high stake in anything will try to convince you into it.

>>15852505
cute desu, did she only do anal?

Trannies
>gender is a social construct
Also trannies
>NOOOOO YOU NEED TO USE THE CORRECT GENDERED PRONOUNS!!!

>>15852561
Nah we just made out for like a month lol, I think I could've at least gotten my dick sucked but I was too much of a pussy to ask. I regret it now

>>15852571
Race is also a social construct, but words like nigger still carry a certain weight.

>>15852656
Then we should entertain the idea that race itself carries weight and that wholesale trying to abolish it only because it is a social construct is silly.

>>15852656
>comparing a word with historical ties to racial abuse with misappropriating one's gender

The absolute state of trannies. Humans like to categorise, and a useful categorisation technique we developed was the ability to differentiate men from women. No matter what you do, people will always view a person with a dick a man, and vagina bearers women. Men will always associate sex with trannies as gay, whether theyre ftm or mtf, and they will avoid it accordingly.

>>15852671
literal retard

>>15852656
Race is not a social construct.

>>15852699
Transgender is another category, an obviously useful one. Nothing you said implies we should misgender people. And turning the convo towards the topic of fucking, apropos absolutely nothing points to some sort of pathology on your end.

>>15851621
You don't know the meaning of the words 'Marxism', 'literally', and 'transgenderism'.

I probably read way more than you do, in more languages than you do.

/lit/ - Literature

>>15851621
>Marxism is literally the opposite of transgenderism
the state of /lit/ in the current year

>>15852831
You're an embarrassing moron.

>>15852847
Marxism is materialism, dumbfuck. Marx doesn't even mention transgenderism once.

>>15852871
Christ, you're even dumber than I thought. How does Marx not mentioning trans people imply that ''Marxism is literally the opposite of transgenderism''?

>>15852942
Leftists today don’t fucking care about Marxism, Marxist analysis of the world has been obsolete since 1991, most leftists are progressives obsessed with identitarianism hence their fixation on transgenderism

>>15847151
Does this book have anything to do with trannies? Why did you post this?

>>15852862
You are a monolingual ape who doesn't know what ''opposition'' means.

>>15847151
What on Earth does this thread have to do with /lit/?

There's already a homo board dedicated PRECISELY to this trash. Remove it from here.

>>15852960
You didn't address my point. What makes you think history ended with the death of Marx? afaik he didn't say anything about gay rights either, but this does not of course imply that marxists ought not to care about that.

>>15852942
He cannot differentiate between Karl Marx and the Marxist movement. He's an ape.

>>15852998
I need to learn to be able to brush these people off. It's only because I know it's not bait that I engage.

>>15852942
Dilate, tranny. There is no such thing as "spiritual gender".

>>15852998
Marxism is just the application of Marx's material-historical approach to understanding society. Transgenderism is dualistic nonsense.

>>15853021
>rote meme response
>strawman
literal npc, what are you even doing on the literature board?

>>15852987
I’m not the guy you responded to, I’m just saying that leftists don’t get their transgender cultism from Marxist beliefs, its largely a consequence of modern capitalist society eroding the role of gender

>>15853037
They can be conciliated and often are.

After around the 60's or so, having lost the proletariat, Marxists started to pander to other sectors of society, initially students, but then this group grew to encompass homos, lesbians, women, native peoples, blacks, and more. Essentially, identitarianism got incorporated into Marxism, even though the idea of class struggle remained relatively preserved. However, that same ''class warfare'' was used as inspiration* to the invention of gender warfare, sexual orientation warfare, race warfare. All of these conflicts have in common the fact that they present a dominant class - a sexual, racial, cultural bourgeoisie - oppressing a correspondent kind of proletariat.
This is the essence of woke ideology. Its core concept is a development from Marx, and furthermore there ain't a necessary contradiction between the two ideologies, which means that it can even come with the whole Marxist package - just as long as you defend the idea that those other ''warfares'' are ultimately reducible to class warfare, which I've already seen people doing.

Go on Twitter, Merddit or any such place and you will find large numbers of people who espouse the views I have described.

*Hence the Marxism of the thing, just like someone inspired by Christian doctrine can be deemed a Christian even though he might be an atheist or diverge from Christ in important points. It might even not look like Marxism to those who are inside, just like many Catholics will say that the lesbian priests of the Protestant churches are ''not true Christians'', but the intellectual genesis is there, and for the outsider both churches are ultimately Christian, specially when looked at from a broader ''taxonomy of religions'' perspective

>>15852710
Not an argument

>>15853271
This kind of tenuous guilt-by-association is pointless and brainless.

>>15853386
Just like Marxists.

>>15853433
Based on what you have posted, you have clearly never read Marx.

>>15853450
Neither have most Marxists

>>15853465
Calling yourself a Marxist doesn't make you one anymore than calling yourself a woman does.

>>15853507
Being a woman is a fact of physical reality, being an XYZist is a matter of social perception.

>>15853525
So if I can get the majority of the posters here to call you a Marxist, you are magically a Marxist? Sorry, but words don't work that way.

>>15853507
No true Scotsman fallacy, i.e., ''Protestants are not real Christians'' fallacy.

The links are there, the people support the projects, they often even belong to the commie party. The leader of the commie party in my country is a great admirer of Marx AND very into social justice Merddit bullshit.

Deal with it. Marxists aren't strong Russian proletarians anymore. Your movement has been sissified.

>>15853557
>No true Scotsman fallacy
That's not what the "no true Scotsman" fallacy is, brainlet.

>>15853551
If I call myself a Marxist and believe it to be true, I spend my time and resources on organizations that call themselves Marxist, I participate in political activities with other people who call themselves Marxist, and all of my enemies call me a Marxist, then I am a Marxist.

>>15853586
Yes, it is, and the sissies have taken over your laughable movement.

>>15853594
You have a tranny mindset. You take self-applied labels way too seriously. The "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" is not democratic in any sense.

>>15853605
Nope. Look it up, tranny.

>>15853627
Yes, it is (I've read Flew), and calling me a tranny won't work.

Your movement is such a joke. My whole country laughs at it.

>>15853557
>No true Scotsman fallacy
Is an ad hoc argument, a form of moving the goalposts, you dumbfuck.

>>15853663
>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.[1][2] Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule – "no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group.[3]

You changed the definition of 'Marxism' in order to exclude the contemporary Marxist writers and practitioners who incorporate identity politics into their beliefs- yet this includes a number of prominent communist politicians around the world.

Pic related is the leader of the communist party in my country, who ran as vice-President of Fernando Haddad, who belong to the PT party, whose had a president, Luis Inácio Lula da Silva, who is greatly admired by Antonio Negri, who said Lula was ''the greatest political man of Latin America in the second half of the 20th century'' - greater than FIdel, therefore, according to the words of Negri.

>>15853770
This is Haddad, Lula's major political ally and his choice for the presidential elections in 2018 here in Brazil.

>>15853617
Did you not read my post? Do Korea's enemies smear them as democratic, or a republic? Do their allies even pretend that's true? The only place I ever see anyone disputing that self-described Marxists like antifa retards aren't Marxists is on here. They call themselves Marxists, their allies call them Marxists, their enemies call them Marxists. A handful of autists on a Patagonian anal fissure care forum screeching "akshully we're the REAL marxists" are fucking irrelevant. These people have a clear ideological lineage from Marx and they're by far the dominant faction on the left in the West. In fact I'd struggle to think of even a single major leftist organization in the entire West that is not completely in line with tranny idpol antifa types. You might as well be a Carlist.

>>15853770
>You changed the definition of 'Marxism'
Nope, that's what you are doing. The "No true Scotsman" fallacy means you are constantly rewriting your definition of X to exclude problematic cases on an ad hoc basis. The definition of Marxism has always been: the methodology used by Marx in his analysis of society under the capitalist mode of production, in Das Kapital and related works. That's all it is, and all it ever will be. Cope.

>>15853826
Word meanings aren't determined by a vote on Western social media, dumbass.

>>15853770
Not the original poster, I just meant to point out that you misunderstand the meaning of the fallacy by calling you a dumbfuck. This is the one fallacy I see people misunderstand time and time again.
>changed the definition of 'Marxism' in order to exclude the contemporary Marxist writers
You should be able to cite exactly where he did such a thing in an ad hoc manner.

>>15853784
Also, here is Lula himself beholding two homosexuals in the act of ritual kissing.

Antonio Negri, one of the most prominent living Marxist philosophers, said of Lula:

>Eu penso que Lula seja o maior homem político da América Latina na segunda metade do século 20. Ninguém é comparável a Lula. Foi alguém que conseguiu construir nesse país continente uma força popular necessária aos governos.

>I think Lula is the major political man of Latin America in the second half of the 20th century [therefore greater even than Fidel and Che Guevara]. No one can be compared to Lula. He was someone who managed to build, in that continent-sized country, a popular force that is necessary for government

>>15853845
>the methodology used by Marx in his analysis of society under the capitalist mode of production, in Das Kapital and related works

That's a purist definition, precisely the mistake that the fallacy points out.
There's not even consensus on how to interpret Marx and you know it.

>>15853907
See >>15853917

He uses a purist definition which excludes alternative interpretations and modifications on the original doctrine which however do not alter the essential core.

This is the same as saying Protestants or Catholics or whomever aren't Christians because they modified aspects of the doctrine to suit their needs.

Look at contemporary communist parties around the world and see it for yourself. I gave the example of Lula, but could give others.

>>15848539
Logical deduction.

>>15853917
>That's a purist definition, precisely the mistake that the fallacy points out.
Nope. Go back and reread the definition of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

>>15853856
No, they're determined by society as a whole and society as a whole considers these people to be Marxists no matter how much you cry out into this void.

>>15853941
>which however do not alter the essential core
You do alter the "essential core" when you introduce elements that contradict materialism, which is what Marxism essentially is.

>>15853975
Wrong. Words don't work that way. It's not up for a vote.

>>15853956
Original Anthony Flew example:

>No Scotsman would be a sex maniac!!!

What that anon is saying:

>No Marxist would ever alter the specific method of Karl Marx as delineated in Das Kapital and interpreted by me!!!

In reality, both sex maniac Scotsmen and non-orthodox Marxists exist.
Deal with it.

>>15853941
>I gave the example of Lula
What point are you trying to make with Lula? I'm not following.

>>15853941
You may think his categorization of who is a marxist is wrong for whatever reason, but this doesn't amount to a fallacy. I don't see what's so hard to understand about the definition that was copy/pasted here.

>>15853976
Trangenderism DOES NOT contradict materialism.

It can be - and often is - reduced to materialism. In fact, this is the standard procedure. Marxist trangenders claim they are oppressed because their lifestyle does not follow the rules established by the dominant class - which class is dominant due to its material conditions.

This is an adaptation of Marx, much like Catholicism is an adaptation of the Gospels.

>>15854006
I am showing the real life alliance between Marxism and identity politics and the respect that this alliance has gotten among the most prominent Marxists such as Antonio Negri.

>>15854021
read>>15853021
I think these simpletons mean it contradicts marxism because gender identity is intangible and not a physical object like a penis.

>>15854002
A "Scotsman" can be defined according to his citizenship, ethnic affiliation, dialect, genetic profile, etc. But there is nothing in the definition of Scotsman that requires or forbids any particular sexual proclivities. Thus, the NTS perpetrator alters the definition in an ad hoc way in order to exclude instances he doesn't approve of. That's the fallacy.

Marxism is defined as "a method of socioeconomic analysis that uses a materialist interpretation of historical development, better known as historical materialism, to understand class relations and social conflict as well as a dialectical perspective to view social transformation." In other words: Marxism is the application of the methodology that Marx developed and deployed in his writings on political economy.

Now, let's say you present to me a homosexual or polyamorous Marxist and I say "No! He can't be a Marxist! Degenerates can't be Marxists!" That, indeed, would be an example of the NTS fallacy, since nothing in the definition of Marxism makes any reference to sexual orientation. But that's not the case in front of us. You are saying "these anti-materialists I found on Twitter are Marxists". Anti-materialism straight-up contradicts the definition of Marxism, therefore it is not an example of NTS to reject such an identification.

>>15854070
Still doesn't contradict the theory.

There are countless ways by which you can make one converge with the other. In fact, transgenderism is a very specific and particular issue that basically can fit within any bigger framework depending on how you develop it. It is absolutely possible to be a Marxist AND still defend the whole LGBT agenda and that transsexuals are oppressed by the society and whatnot.

There's no logical contradiction there.

>>15853985
It doesn't matter how you think words work, you're a Carlist lmao. You could get your Franco tomorrow and after he dies your beliefs would just as quickly become irrelevant. Nothing can save them.