/lit/ - Literature

>>15811599
Reading the cringe of young simp right now and while it's beautifully written its just hard to take it seriously. The intro said it set off a sensation of copycat suicides and I know this is the book that got him raised to nobility but I can't imagine anyone taking this book sincerely. Is it too late for me?

>buys the wedding rings for his crush and her Chad husband

Sounds pretty based to me

>>15811611
hes not even a chad, he's shy and quiet he just happened to lock down prime lotte thot pussy before autismer

That story of him relying on his wife to defend him from a french soldier them makes him sound cringe. William Blake BTFO of the solider that bothered him and wrote in English so is more based.

>>15811599
GUHTUHR

>>15811609
I read that book when I was 18 with a serious case of oneitis. It was painful to read it, but it resulted in a great psychological growth for me. I'd say we should consider what the purpose of art is. If it is, as Schopenhauer says, to portray an aspect of human experience purely and perfectly, then Werther did an amazing job of that. It might be that you are too mature for pure and unrestrained teenage love. If that's true, then good for you. You have moved up the ladder of personal growth, so to speak, and you have no interest in this side of human experience. I myself don't think I'd appreciate Werther as much as I did back then if I had to read it again. But as I said, it doesn't make the book any less greater. I haven't seen any book that does a better job of portraying naive love.

I'd suggest considering one of his more serious works like Iphigenia or Faust.

>>15811662
What’s the best translation for Faust?

>>15811675
The one by John R. Williams in Princeton's Essential Goethe.

So is it "Gerta" or "Gerter"?

>>15811762
I don't know what autism has made anglos pronounce him that way but in German it's pronounced just as it's written: gö·te

>>15811762
Go-thee

>>15811762
How to spell GOETHE.
Step 1: The G in Goethe is like the g in "go".
Step 2: The OE part is a little tricky. Form your mouth as if you would say "ow" but then try to make an "ey" sound, which results into the German Umlaut "ö".
Step 3: Finally, the last letters THE are meant to sound like "tuh" but rather soft.

>so you're a goethe fan?

>recite the Plundersweilern Fair

>>15811609
Yeah I didn’t enjoy it much either. Way too romantic, naive and saccharin for my taste.

>>15811599
How do you pronounce this fuckers name? Go-Ta, Goo-Ta, Goat, Goath, Go-Thay or what?

>>15811771
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>>15811828
I think I may possibly have it now.

>>15811896
hurt eh, -h +g

>>15811906
This is the only way I've ever heard it said, ger tuh.

>>15811960
Wrong, that random R shouldn't be pronounced at all angloid

Schiller > Goethe

>>15811896
Goethe

>>15811762
G- like in g-uy
Ö- like Oe-dipus
the- the h is silent, te- like in te-lephone

>>15811896
See
>>15812648

>>15811888
Overly saccharine and sympathetic is what makes it stand out. There were centuries of that stuff before. It’s the bit where Werther actually goes through with blowing his brains out but fumbles it to die a slow unromantic death and how his slavish oneitis just lead to bleak suicidal misery. Courtly love BTFO.

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>>15811828
thanks

>>15811675
All translations of poetry are inadequate, but the translations of Goethe are a crime against humanity. Read the original you stupid american

>>15811888
>>15811609
i think that has more to do with the context of the world you live rather than the quality of the author. Tolkien is retroactively kinda tame from how far the medium has gotten.

>>15813272
>dfw Deutsch keine Amtssprache ist
/lit/ should become a german-speaking board unironically. This would prevent minority shitposting and general mutt-behaviour.

>>15813326
Sekundiert.

>>15811762
GO-E-TE

>>15813285
well yeah like I said its well written and obviously the society he lived in considered it a masterpiece, but nowadays people find it naive and sappy to the point of absurdity. Is a healthy society supposed to find this book sincerely inspiring?

>>15813326
>no minorities speak German

>>15813326
hallo fellow Germans

>>15814605
No, they speak Kanaksprach and don't frequent literary forums, despite having free wifi in their shisha bars.

>>15814626
What does the word kanak literally translate to in english?

>>15814740
Kanaken are just the inhabitant of some island. It got adapted because the pronounced sound match those disgracefull creaturas and gets slapped unto any turkish/arabic migrant.

bump

>>15811762
Just anglicize it as Goth. There's no reason to pronounce loser german names correctly.

>>15815817
>anglo-saxons still butthurt

>>15812025
lmao get outta here

>>15814740
wog

>>15812025
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>>15813272
Even if I were to learn German I would still only understand the words I'd be reading within the context of my first language.

>>15811599
>Reminder that no man more based than him has ever lived
A literal snob who is known only because he sucked the dicks of the whole Germania. Why do americans always love the dicksuckers characters of history? Slave morality, probably...

>>15811828
so get then

>>15811599
Who wins in a fist fight to the death? Goat boy or Shamspeare?

>>15819043
with silent n

>>15814605
>minorities

>>15811675
Learning German

>>15813326
Absolut basiert

>>15811762
Goethe

>oe pronounced as oy
>silente h

goy-tuh

>>15811694
it doesnt have part 2 :(

>>15811896
like south but with replace the s with a g and the u with and e

>>15811648
Gerter

>>15820353
Here is what Walter Kaufmann says about part 2:
>To let Goethe speak English is one thing; to transpose into English his attempt to imitate Greek poetry in German is another.

>>15811611
>buys the wedding rings for his crush and her Chad husband Sounds pretty based to me
>>15811634
>hes not even a chad, he's shy and quiet he just happened to lock down prime lotte thot pussy before autismer
Literary criticism in the 21st century

>>15811611
The Soi-rrows of Young Werthcuck

>>15821236
America was a mistake.