/lit/ - Literature

No. Deep ecology can be left or right wing.

No, I'm a monarchist.

/lit/ is a postmodern board where nothing is scared

>>15809514
This is wat they mean

Eco Fascist yes

>>15809514
When other people call me one yes, if asked to define myself politically no.

>>15809514
No, I'm a paleocon.
>>15809546
Based fashy trap.

>>15809514
I don't see the fucking difference

>>15809553
>ted
>linkola
>eco-fascist
well meme'd my good sir

>>15809530
>>15809543
Based answers.

Imagine calling Hitler, a man who enforced an extreme caste system in his own nation, a fascist. Marxists require a million prerequisites before acknowledge a state as "truly communist" but will call an extreme imperialist who created new tribes within his own homeland and sold his people to corporations a fascist.

>>15809557
>paleocon
So a fascist

>>15809530
This. "right wing" and "fascist" ecology is stupid, as is "left wing" or "socialist" ecology.
I'm for an individualist, nietzschean, ecologically minded and semiprimitivist mode of living, divorced from "politics".

In a sense

>>15809514
>what people think: I'm retarded
>what I really mean: I'm still retarded, but in a different way

>>15809553
The internet right wing's fairly recent embrace of ecology and the environment is completely embarrassing. Just be a fascist who likes hiking.
Arne Naess was a member of a centre-left political party

>>15809576
Redpill me more on this

I've never heard this before on /pol/

>>15809592
thats sounds the same as "queer stirnerite socialist her/they nouns non conformity" retards from twitter.
Americans are so fucking retarded ffs

>>15809581
I'm inspired by ideas from all across the political spectrum, but I like the label paleocon. I don't call myself "fascist" for the same reason I don't call myself distributist. Paleocon has steam behind it and paleocons are tolerated by the political mainstream.

>>15809514
Mussolini was a syndicalist who became a fascit after leaving the Italian Communist Party that was led by Gramsci and Amadeo Bordiga. Fascism is an eclectic ideology that borrows from Marxism, Liberalism, and uses it justify a cult leader, and an anti-democratic nation state. The reason why fascists are so difficult to talk to, or understand, is because their beliefs never have a basis in reality - but is purely opportunistic to justify its over-reaching, reactionary goals.

>>15809514
No, not really, but they’re alright I guess.
>>15809546
Why are so many twinks and traps really right wing and even fascist?
>>15809564
One is primarily concerned with racial purity and bizarre occultist symbology whilst the other with cultural purity and futurism

>>15809703
>Why are so many twinks and traps really right wing and even fascist?
Being a trap and being a fascist are both caused by mental illness

>>15809670
I'm not a fuckin burger.
I have no love for socialists, feminists or any of that shite, but I see no reason to engage with it either.

>>15809703
the "cultural purity and futurism" also comes with bizarre occultist symbology

>>15809692
>The reason why fascists are so difficult to talk to, or understand, is because their beliefs never have a basis in reality
So just like liberals and marxists then.

>>15809703
>Why are so many twinks and traps really right wing and even fascist?
Some people are just contrarian in general. They may like it because it's considered evil or forbidden.

Racism is a more respectable reason to get into fascism than Memevola shit.

>>15809760
Yes, all three are trash on foundations of sand

I have a strong admiration for Codreanu. Ideally I'm more of a monarchist or traditionalist than anything but I call myself a paleoconservative.

>>15809703
>Why are so many twinks and traps really right wing and even fascist?
Because they know history. The left wants to import Muslims and Africans. More than 80 percent of both African and Islamic nations still criminalize homosexuality.

The demographics are going to change and suddenly we will see the Indonesian genocide of 1965-1966 happening across the west :^)

>>15809614
He‘s Hitler an “imperialist” because contemporary nationalist apologetics distinguish between “imperialism”, which they define as a project rooted in the Catholic church’s historic exertion of influence over nation states and, of course, “nationalism”, which is the reformation’s severance from the imperial influence of the Church. So Wilsonian self-determination, for example, would be within the protestant tradition of nationalism.

So nationalists argue that Hitler is not a nationalist, because while he exalted the nation-state he also embarked on an imperial project of elevating the Aryan race to the position of global supremacy.

The common critique is that it is an idealized definition that ignores, historically, the imperial ends of nationalist movements. So it really is the equivalent of “that wasn’t real communism.”

>>15809906
Finishing my thought, if you’re interested in this read The Virtue of Nationalism. Look into liberal peace theory if you want to see why this argument is deeply flawed.

>>15809692
>fascism
>reactionary
dimwit
liberals try and psychologize it, marxists try and call it reactionary, but neither scratch the surface of what third positionism is

>>15809937
liberal peace theory is itself deeply flawed

>>15809937
Is that the kike Hazomy's book who claims that Jews invented nationalism and that it's logically impossible to both be anti-Zionist and pro-nationalist?

>>15809514
>what it really means
>all of it together

>>15809568
I never said everyone on that chart is an eco fascist
but eco fascist theology takes inspiration from linkola and uncle ted
qed

>>15809610
Ecology has always been rightwing

>>15809692
Yeah, it’s the product of human beings creating myths to explain situations they can’t understand.

Not saying “le orange hitler”, I mostly think that he is ineffectual and, aside feom superficially, governs like a traditional Republican. But the fanatacism of much of his base (e.g., QAnon) is a good case study. The premise of Trump mysticism/fanatacism is that he is engaged in a cosmic struggle against profound evil made manifest through bureaucracy, and represents a sort of Gilgamesh for people discontent with their alienation and diminished sphere of autonomy in the workplace and society.

Hitler, too, was a mythological hero for a post-war Germany ravaged by social dysfunction, post-war humiliation, and economic devastation imposed on it by liberal great powers. This could not be understood by the existing belief system of antebellum Germany, and so an elaborate mythology with its attendant heroes grows up around it.

Fascism is so foreign to the modern mind because it is fundamentally irrational, and it is fascinated with the occult and with mysticism because it’s constructed from the same human tendency to mythologize their condition as pagan religion.

>>15809514
I fluctuate between apolitical asceticism and millenarian fascism, with a sprinkling of boundless charity.

>>15809978
Sure, but the largest imperial projects in history have emerged from illiberal states in the “muh balance of power” state of anarchy that nationalists want. Historically, even if you accept the premise, “nationalism” tends toward imperialism.

>>15810006
Ecology is a science. Environmental philosophy is much too complicated and diverse to be classified as right or left wing, though most of it (including deep ecology) originates either apolitically or from the left. Even Roosevelt and other early conservationists were much more complex than simply "right wing".
One thing that you can be sure of is that approximately zero early conservationists were fascists

>>15810084
you say this as you live through the single largest imperial project in human history, which is emerging from a liberal state

>>15809530
>>15809592
honestly, i dont think “ecology” should be part of anyones politics. its not an end goal in itself.

>>15810170
>>15810154

>>15810171
It's not a goal it's a lifestyle

>>15810171

>>15810084
can you give an example of a strong non nationalist place? most places either have a strong sense of identity, or are languidly self assured in thier position and identity so far that they say they are not nationalist. the only stable states ive seen are ones with a defined (even if ethnically changing) idea of the nation. say what you will aboit the liberal left, but they still have a group think and common culture that in a way promotes a nation of sentiment.

There is no more comfy fascist board in existence. Any /fascist/s here?
https://anon.cafe/fascist/

>>15810181
>the person who coined a term dictates the politics of an entire field of science
>it as at all notable that a 19th century Darwinist would be a eugenicist
I would really suggest you trying studying ecology and environmental philosophy outside of the extremely narrow world of the ecofascist internet right, you would probably enjoy it

>>15809678
So you are a closeted fascist ok

>>15810227
Great board, I don't post there myself but reading the discussions is always enjoyable.

>>15809576
There are also marxists that will run apologetics up and down for the soviet union. People defend or denounce the violent parts of their movement based on personal convictions and convenience, it just happens

>>15810234
Telling him to stop focusing on fascist ecologists implicitly contradicts your original claim that "one thing that you can be sure of is that approximately zero early conservationists were fascists"

>>15810192
i can undersrand it as a lifestyle, just not as an end goalwhich is part of politics.
>>15810194
all of that seems arbitrary and vague
>1.
why? does the mold on my shoe have it? what is the meaningful difference between bacteria and a lomp of iron?
>2.
ok, but why?it is not self evident that diversity contributes even if you hold 1 as a principle.
>3.
no right? by whos or whats laws? a bird can destroy whatever it pleases, so whycannot i? not saying i will, but there is no moral reason to not. unless for some reason we give special attention (ie taking us out of nature) to humans. anyways what classified diversity? if pure diversity is the pointmight as well murateas many cells as possible ina petree dish.
>4
i do not disagree.except for the last part. flourishing does mot require decrease in human population.

>>15810227
Wait holy shit this still exists? I thought with 8ch it was gone for good

>>15810227
Nice reminds me of cripple chan and old 4chan /pol/

>>15809839
>More than 80 percent of both African and Islamic nations still criminalize homosexuality.
Based?

>>15809514
yes

>>15810227
what is this site, who made it?

>>15810164
mmmm look at that sweet decline in net death rates and, specifically, deaths from colonial conflict. almost as though there’s a difference between US hegemony and the purely extractive colonial institutions of imperialism as it has historically been understood

>>15810207
I guess it depends on how you define “strong” and “nationalist”? The US is the most powerful military, economic, and cultural power in human history. Is the US nationalist?

>>15810154
Just because you have trouble understanding it doesn't mean its "too complex"

>>15810370
>>15810207
actually - this question doesn’t even make sense. having a “strong sense of identity” is the condition of human beings generally, most countries, and most social enterprises. my corporation has a strong sense of identity. if that’s your definition of nationalism it applies to most things, like you’ve applied it to the liberal left.

>>15809514
No, I 'm agnostic, but against governments who try to supress and get rid of religion and fascism has tried to hurt the church many times.

>>15809514
Op please explain what each of the symbols on the right mean.

>>15809543
You can be both. Majority of Italian Fascists strongly supported the monarchy, with some outright refusing to March on Rome if it meant deposing the king.

>>15810359
It’s part of the webring which spawned out of the taking-down of 8ch

>>15810359
AnonCafe is a small site for comfy imageboards. /fascist/ is a board that was moderately popular on 8c.han that had all the big brained posters in contrast to /pol/. After El Paso it popped up under the same BO on JulayWorld, another imageboard, but after some drama with that site’s admin and a culling of boards it moved again to the current location.

No; why would I want to have to associate with the people who would be degenerates if given the freedom? I'm sure (if anyone replies, which is doubtful) some retard esoteric crypto deep ecology stasserist will give me some retard response about how fascism isn't about forcing your desired populous to be 'better' - truth is: It fucking is, gtfo.

>>15810659
Calm down goy

>>15809545
All the scared people go to /x/

>>15809703
Being what you're not supposed to be isn't very fun if there aren't gender roles to break.

>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BE LGBT AND JUST JUSTIFY GENOCIDE AS ENVIRONMENTALISM NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT ALLIGN YOURSELF WITH NAZIS AND MUSLIMS YOU'RE MEANT TO BE ON OUR SIDE

>>15810667
Shalom