/lit/ - Literature

>>15802609
The Bell Curve

It sounds like you're just trying to find books to defend your already-existing views. Read everything.

Mein Kampf

>>15802631
Wow you figured that out all on your own

>>15802637
read Lenin, Evola, Kropotkin, and Friedman, shed your biases and see who makes the most sense.

>>15802647
>>15802631

>>15802609
hegel.

>>15802609
The Analects of Confucius
The Republic

But also read Left-leaning books like

The Tao Te Ching
State and Revolution

Reflection on the Revolution in France by Edmund Burke

>>15802647
Cringe

>>15802647
>>15802679
>referring to philosophical works as "left" or "right"
cringe

>>15802679
>Tao The Ching
>Left-leaning

>>15802609
The Decline and Fall of Western Art by Brendan

>>15802948
I read parts of it but it seemed more like just the rambling opinions of some guy than any actual arguments.

>>15802609

>>15802609
About what exactly? If you're looking for the "conservatism" of the GOP, read Friedman and Hayek. If you're looking for something more specific, you're going to have to be more specific yourself.

>>15802974
Not gonna read any garbage you post

>>15802979
Looking at the image I posted should give enough context.

>>15802988
Okay, architecture is not my thing. I am completely insensitive to buildings and art. Take a look at >>15802948 and the work of Roger Scruton. That's all I know.

>>15803009
Doesn't have to be architecture just anything cultural.

>>15803020
R. R. Reno, The Return of the Strong Gods
Patrick Deneen, Why Liberalism Failed
Anything by John Mearsheimer.

>>15802609
what's up with internet fascists and architecture

Das Kapital

>>15803929
It's the most important thing. Having to live a city where you walk down the street and don't see a single piece of beauty because everything is just black boxes.

>>15803929
That’s the sleight of hand magic of objectivity. Righttards believe that they represent objectivity, whereas their opponents are seen as subjective. With their understanding of objectivity, they throw everything they deem ‘good’ on a giant pile, and declare it objective, not just accurate descriptions of reality, but moral judgements as well, and aesthetics. This is all part of the one-size-fits-all philosophy of OLD GOOD, NEW BAD

>>15803953
Do you think Harry Potter and Moby Dick are in the same category?

>>15804019
you're not serious, right?

>>15804032
I am serious. You guys like to act like nothing can be rated or placed in any boxes and that Beethoven and Lil Uzi Vert are just as good as each other.

>>15803036
>John Mearsheimer
He seems pretty leftwing. He went against the Israeli lobby, opposed the Iraq War, endorsed EH Carr, etc.

>>15804035
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what’s known in rhetoric as a strawman

>>15804069
Wait so things can be placed into categories which means I can place certain styles of architecture into certain boxes that I believe are good and ones into a box that I believe is bad?

>>15804105
just the fact that you thinks that libs or whoever group together moby dick/hb and beethoven/lil uzi vert
man you're DUMB

>>15802609
Liberalism is not convincing

>>15804115
Get btfoed retard. Didn't even respond because you know I got you.

>>15804122
no I'm just not humoring your ideas because they're stupid and the way you type here >>15804105 makes you sound like a college republican

>>15804139
You literally made the argument that placing things into boxes is dumb and then said it's fine to place things in boxes. Which is it?

>>15802609
This is a mix is it not? Besides the different material on bottom portion, the motifs on the area around and top story rounded windows it's very modernist.

>>15802967
I'm not sure what you read, but certainly not the same book I did.

If you have an interest in architecture then this book might help. A couple of the tards in this thread could do with reading it aswell.

>>15802974
Does the snake lick its own cloaca or where comes your interest in this book?

>>15804661
Literally on the first page he says leftists are the destroyers of high culture when leftist traditionalists are a thing lol. Does he know about Strasser?

>>15802609
None, conservatives are losers

>>15804838
>not all lefties
Yes, yes. true leftism hasn't been tried yet. We get it.

>>15804847
I don't think you understood the point of my post what are you talking about. Reread it again

>>15804838
So you're one of those people taking personal offense and ceasing the reading when a book disagrees with your worldview?

Pathetic. Never gonna make it.

>>15804930
I'm saying it's more rambling than coherent arguments and anything that tries to be more than just opinion is factually incorrect.

>>15802631
Why do leftists act like this is some sort of slam dunk?

>>15804956
You probably don't even own the book, but barely flew over the first couple pages on amazon preview till realizing that Brendan doesn't share your ideology. Because if you would have read further you would have known that he names specific ideas, not sticking to "lefties" in the analysis. And if you would be a little bit more intelectually honest, you would understand who he means by lefties in the context.

>>15802647
Reading literal memes is not a good way to shed biases anon

>>15805001
I find strange that he asked for books if he is just a libtard.

>>15804976
Dishonesty and subversion in the only way they can gain ground. Plus otherwise nobody would read their nonsense if not under the guise of an open mind. Obviously non of them would freely read any text actually disagreeing and properly arguing their own views.

>>15805001
He literally say it's a core belief of Marxism when there is a line of famous Marxist's who are artistic traditionalists

>>15805046
He speak about Cultural Marxists, not Marxists per se. Jesus, anon, where did you buy your reading comprehension?

>>15805072
Not a single time was Cultural Marxists written in the book.

>>15802609
Bottom is better

>>15805102
cringe

>>15805110
>Dude grey blocks with copies of greek columns
How about you stop emulating a style that existed 2000 years ago on the other side of the world as a shitty attempt to LARP as a failed empire?

>>15805022
every single genuinely smart person i've come across who doesn't have some kind of ulterior motives has been left leaning. I'm convinced every eloquent right winger is either arguing from a point of closeted racism or financial benefit

>>15805090
>he doesn't use a term which has been made a conspiracy explicitly
Yes, he described. Just like he described those with high verbal intelligence, you mongoloid.
From the unedited Wikipedia article:
>Cultural Marxism refers to a school or offshoot of Marxism that conceives of culture as central to the legitimation of oppression, in addition to the economic factors that Karl Marx emphasized.[1] An outgrowth of Western Marxism (especially from Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School) and finding popularity in the 1960s as cultural studies, cultural Marxism argues that what appear as traditional cultural phenomena intrinsic to Western society, for instance the drive for individual acquisition associated with capitalism, nationalism, the nuclear family, gender roles, race and other forms of cultural identity;[1] are historically recent developments that help to justify and maintain hierarchy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2occ7m/wikipedias_cultural_marxism_article_now_redirects/

He compares _variants_ of marxism to capitalism (p15). He even speaks about the Frankfurt school (p49). Further on he uses the term Modernists for those qualiies which he described previously. Maybe start with something simpler, like the The Very Hungry Caterpillar?

>>15805199
those statues are extremely ugly, look like a fucking brutalist commie block version of art

>>15805184
wow, i got nearly the exact opisite impression. most trully intelligent people i uave cone acrose have been either center left or right.

being able to evaluate things from different perspectives, appreciate some aspect of their veracity and come to their own nuanced conclusion which tends to be a melding of different lines of thought.

>>15805184
Ever thought about the fact that you only consider those intelligent which share your views similarly to how you allege malevolence to your opponents? Maybe take a step back and reconsider your own bias.

>>15805205
American Art Deco, so not too far away from it.

>>15804067
None of those things are left wing. Neocons were literally born out of trotsykism, the paleocon take has always been against the zionist lobby and wanton intervention in the middle east. EH Carr was practically a Mosley-ite until the post war period made it an untenable and antiquated position.

>>15805184
Same, but reverse left leaning with right leaning.

Anecdotes are fun.

>>15805205
Nigga you gay look at those thighs id crawl up under that dress and live there

>>15805221
maybe I should have said intelligent plus high empathy

>>15802609
Qu’ran

>>15805275
What a hero

>>15805275
Empathy above rational is a female characteristic and doesn't cooperate well with intelligence. Left leaning people are more feminine than right leaning ones, trying to become a family which will peacefully share everything, ruled by a benevolent mother which gives everyone what he needs without the need for a duty, unlike the right which usually proclaims to a more patriarchical view of the world, where man is bound to duty and can expect nothing but what he himself is able to provide, he will suffer the pain of existance but through this be enabled to see true beauty created.

I would recommned "Biohistory" by Penman if you are interested in the biological reasons, epecially as they relate to prenatal circumstaces. As I have proposed, you judge those alligning themself with your views in purely beneolent terms and vice versa, which is a clear sign of ignorance and naivety on your part, not the lacking of your opponent.

>>15805199
>He compares _variants_ of marxism to capitalism (p15).
Doesn't say anything about cultural marxists.

>He even speaks about the Frankfurt school (p49).
Him bringing up the Frankfurt in an one off comment talking about obscure they are. Obviously this is not what he is referring to when he says Marxists or he wouldn't be writing about them in this way.

>>15805376
>in an one off comment talking about obscure they are
It's his first chapter on those responsible and he does the exact opposite of decribing them as obscure.

>>15805357
>Empathy above rational is a female characteristic and doesn't cooperate well with intelligence
why do you value intelligence so much more than empathy? if you don't have both you're walking in the dark

you're view of left and right wing people comes down to the old thing about how left wingers view people are inherently good while right wingers view others as selfish greedy and untrustworthy. both of these are usually projections

>>15805408
I don't overvalue either. They complement each other, just like the sexes do. But I clearly stated that they both have seperate space, as intended by nature. Empathy belong inside the home, which is ruled by a matriarch with an extended family to a lesser degree. While Intelliegnce and herefore rational belongs to the politics of the outside world, where unlike in your own home, you can't just embrace and help everyone, without getting fucked. A political view which bases itself of pure feminine virtures is damned to suffer and wither. Further recommended reading: Sex and Culture by Unwin. He clearly showed that, without an exception, giving women political power leads to the destruction of any and all societies. We are currently within such a cycle. Some call it the Kali Yuga. You may call it progress.

On the Genealogy of Morals

>>15805408
>both of these are usually projections
I wouldn' care, those terms are only for usefull idiots, just like any democratic interactive sheniniganz.

>>15805431
>He clearly showed that, without an exception, giving women political power leads to the destruction of any and all societies
and how many male controlled societies collapsed? every other one ever?
you think we should deny the humanity of half the human population because they have higher estrogen? what about all the dumb shit testosterone has got countries into

if you are denying the important role of empathy in politics you are essentially saying those with power should just keep everything in their best interests? that is the logical thing if you care about nobody else right?

>>15805400
Cultureberg are art critics not the frankfurt school you talk about reading comprehension but don't notice the "Similar to the notorious"

>>15805400
Do you mind showing your bookshelf?

>>15805456
>and how many male controlled societies collapsed?
Maybe read like the summary? They collapsed after introducing feminine virtues into politics. Even the so macho Spartans did. This is the fate of the decline.
We don't deny women anything, we empower them by actually telling them that they shall be women, not half-men. Everyone, especially women are happier as mothers than as managers, as they have been for time eternal. This also leads to a healthier relation to female and male virtues, without the need for extremes. But as I can read from your uneducated response, you have never actually dwelt in this topic before.

And even if that would necessitat the brutal subsugation of women (which was never the case in europe), it would be worth it for the greater good of our people. Just like noble self-sacrifice was expected from men in times of war. Nobody asked them if they liked to be seen as disposible canon fooder. It was simply their place in society.

>everything or nothing
Jesus Christ dude, get your hormones checked when a woman like myself can keep up a more rational conversation than your attempts at ad absurdum.

>>15805504
I already did in an older thread.
>>15756277

>>15805504
>>15756285
>>15756315
>>15756344

>>15805506
>Empathy belong inside the home
>While Intelliegnce and herefore rational belongs to the politics of the outside world
you literally stated it in an everything or nothing way yourself

>And even if that would necessitat the brutal subsugation of women
>it would be worth it for the greater good of our people
you will never be able to see eye to eye with a humanitarian world view as long as you can honestly write this with belief

>>15805561
>>15805526
I was in that thread but shits all in German how I'm supposed to read it.

>>15805506
>>15805431
Good recommendation anon. Very educative, even if the other anon doesn't appreciate it.

>this whole thread
I get that r/chapotraphouse and whatever else got banned but you can just make another website for it, everything you people post on /lit/ is fucking embarassing.

>>15805570
>you literally stated it in an everything or nothing way yourself
I was speaking on priorities. Obviously you don't want your wife and mother of your children to be a potato. But those leading virtues need to be keep within their proper places. Some empathy towards a stealing child which is plagued by hunger? Of course, I'm not sending them to Australia. Disciplining your fucktard son for hurting a dog? He ain't be sitting comfortably for the rest of the week.

>humanitarian worldview
I never want to. Humanitarians are the good intending idiots pathing the road to hell. Not only that you can literally watch their deed every single day when by promises of the land of honey and milk, millions die like animals in the mediteranean or suffocating in trucks on their way to a nothern gibmedats nation instea of getting local help withing their own home - or better yet, not being fuked over by global oligarchs and greater israel only out for profit.

>>15805572
>he isn't fluent in german
Never gonna make it.

>>15805184
Same but with right-wing views and emphasis on genuine. There's a lot of people who are great at this and that then speak out of their ass when it comes to politics.

>>15805605
you know 4chan only supported trump as a joke right

you aren't one of the redditors that actually fell for it?

>>15804032
>>15804069
>>15804115
>>15804139

>>15805618
I said left leaning because they were probably more centre left, and usually have opinions that would get them cancelled if shown on twitter

they still fell on the left. there is no good argument against public healthcare, abortion rights, trade unions, regulated markets

>>15805576
Sharing is caring.

>>15805640
There are, but they probably don't appeal to your values or you just don't like them.

>>15805640
>public healthcare, abortion rights, trade unions, regulated markets
Don't get me even sarted, Neger.

>>15805648
>>15805652
I think i'm fairly open minded, give me a good argument against any one of them that isn't a soijack reply

>>15805643
Yeah. Letting it know becuase is a bit tiresome always having to see low effort and low quality shitpost like the other anon is making. Seeing a good post is always good.
So keep that up.

>>15805659
Well, I'm a woman and you seem to value empathy, so let me pick abortion.

Abortion is wrong on multiple levels. First of all, by making an artifical discrimination when it is alright to "abort" a human, you are destroying the sancity of life, meaning that from that point onward any life is relative. Not only late term abortion but also the current talks about assisted suicide. Not only in the terminaly ill anymore, but also in children with depression. Once the "divine" wall of ALL life is sacred falls, it's only a matter of time before any life will be scrutinzed under the lense of profits.

Next point against abortion is the societal effect it has on women - and I'm not talking about health complications or depression. I am talking about the fact, that if you teach women that killing the child inside their womb growing under their heart is a-okay as it is nothing but a cell clumb, first the women, and later on the whole society will disvalue human life per se. If not even the innoent and completely dependant on the one person a human should be able to count on values your life, why should anybody else? This world view further increases the irrelevance of life.

Last but not least would be the propagation of extra-marital relations, as sex which leads to a ppotential pregnancy is a non-issues which can be solved with a metaphorical coat hanger on demand. Which leads to those which survive the first 9 months will be born to single mothers - and I do hope that you know the effects single motherhood has on chhildren, when you venture in such topics. (ProTipp: It's one, if not THE, biggest negative factor in a childs life - especially when a new man comes into the equation).

All you have to counder this are the negation of personal responsibility (don't do the one thing which leads to pregnancy) and rare and far between cases of rape and misfigured and retarded children. One look at the stats will show you that less than 2 % of all abortion fall into this category.

Oh and, most children killed by abortion are minorities, epecielly negros, as was the intended plan of the planned parenhood founder. You aren'r racist, are you?

>>15805728
> an artifical discrimination

>>15805728
>and I do hope that you know the effects single motherhood has on chhildren, when you venture in such topics. (ProTipp: It's one, if not THE, biggest negative factor in a childs life - especially when a new man comes into the equation).
Books on this?

>>15805728
>First of all, by making an artifical discrimination when it is alright to "abort" a human
the rights of the existent human already living a life and all that comes with is always worth more than the unborn baby inside her. Up until it's not growing inside their body they can get rid of it.

your second point is just dumb, the woman is the life who's desires should be respected, she's already an independent functioning human

how the fuck do you think that allowing abortion would lead to more single mothers? if anything they can just abort the baby now?

>You aren'r racist, are you?
>gibmedats
no but you are

if you want to read something good on gender that isn't another one of your /pol/ books read the second sex

Ship of fools

>>15805773
Statistics for autistics. I'll try to collect them again, but I think Molymeme made a good-enought clip in the past. Should be good enought as an intro.

...just tried to find his clip on "Stefan Molyneux: The Truth about Single Moms" and found out his whole channel got cancelled. Jesus fuck, I mean he had his retarded moments, but seriously.

If you can, try to find it, maybe on his freedom radio something channel?

>>15803953
i think once you say x large gestalt group thinks y, you are immediately doing the same thing though, right? isnt it better to say many people on x group believe y? because however way you spin it, you are going to be commiting the same fradulent reductionism you are accusing them of.

>>15805825
I know about the statistics. Just wanted to dig deeper into the rabbit hole if there was more research about the subject.

>>15805806
>if you want to read something good on gender that isn't another one of your /pol/ books read the second sex
What is good about this book as compared to others? Best thing to glean from it?

>>15804181
Is that the Dallas School District Book Repository?

>>15802974
Where the FUCK can you actually buy a copy of this book?

>>15805806
>the rights of the existent human already living a life and all that comes with is always worth more than the unborn baby inside her.
She made her choice by fucking, which primal and foremost reason is reproduction. You are basically putting hedonistic pleasures (sex) above the sanctity of life. Because as long as there isn't a ectopic pregnancy or anything similar, the women will not suffer undue by her choice.

>Up until it's not growing inside their body they can get rid of it.
Why stop there? You have to feed the fucker for at least 13 years, as long as it lives udner your roof you should have the right of post-natal abortion. Just image the stress and grey hair you therwise might suffer.

>the woman is the life who's desires should be respected
I respect self-responsibility. Don't want to get pregnant. Easy-peasy. don't put the penis in your vagina. And no, a womn is throught her whole life a net negative on societal finances. She's only as much indepentand as she is willing to be a consummer and wage slave.

>how the fuck do you think that allowing abortion would lead to more single mothers?
I already explained. It's abou societal degenerationa and the illusion of emazipan of marriage.

>no but you are
Everyone is, even infants as young as a couple weeks. It's a evolutionary beneficial trait. But unlike you, I don't want negros to get made into scrambled eggsa as long as they let me self-segregate in my own land.

>if you want to read something good on gender that isn't another one of your /pol/ books read the second sex
>gender
Do you nigger, even know who invented the term "gender"? Maybe read up on the pedophile and murderer John Money before recommending some subversive shit as a non-argument. I swear, if I would have two bullets to pick between "humanitarians" and some south american cartell dude, I would gift you guys both. Just imagine having the guts to speak about empathy and propagating the term gender.

>>15805859
I'll try, but as you know, it's hard to get something like that published. I'll share it as soon as I find such a gem. Maybe check out "sexual Wisdom" by Wetzel, if my memory is right, he had quite a lot of such tats in his book.

>>15805872
you need to start seeing women like you see men rather than as a second sex, women need to be embraced as brothers if we are all to transcend

>>15805891
I can't argue with you you're clearly set in stone in your 'tradwife xd' ways

if you're happy then whatever, if not maybe try empathy, because you are clearly at least fairly racist which is enough to tell me your either naive or dumb. I hope for your sake you change

>>15805939
Don't speak on empathy when you argue for pleaure above life, degenerate. And thank you for confirming to me that my first assumption was right, as you clearly only consider your own kind to be intelligent. Thankfully I couldn't care less and time as well as biology being on my side, the final solution of your mental instability will be solved by birth rates.

>>15804691
Most valuable post in this thread. Never heard about Roger Scrunton until now, but that one and some other of his books seem interesting. He even has two on conservatism

>>15805988
>Never heard about Roger Scrunton until now
Unbelievable. Watch Why Beauty Matters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc&t

>>15806010
Terrible arguments in that doc. Please don't start with it or you're gonna think he is dumb. Read his books.

>>15805939
It's hilarious watching you lose your mind in the thread because woman didn't eat your propaganda. Hilarious and enjoyable.

>>15806016
Be more specific, especially when you consider the audience.

>>15806023
her points are completely incoherent but i'm glad you enjoyed having your biases confirmed

just read The Turner Diaries
it’s what modern conservatism in the US is based on, after all
it’s also probably one of the worst written books ever

>>15805983
>argue for pleaure above life
because a fully formed cognisant human having autonomy over their own body rather than being forced into some shackled life of pregnancy to give birth to a baby they don't want that hasn't even formed it's first conception of the future

>Don't speak on empathy

>degenerate
>final solution
I can see where you head is at

>>15805891
Teehee I'm such a tradwife silly boys!
The fact that you have to act this way ad a women to get any attention and make this your personality is sad. You must bot be a strong or good person on your own. Also yes having less poor people and low IQ children in the world is always the best option.

>>15806029
If you watch the doc you know it's just new bad old good because look at this picture of some art without any arguments while in his actual books he gives arguments not just his opinion.

>>15806036
You were the incoherent one.
>b-but women have more empathy and empathy is important
>Then you should have empathy for the live of newborns
>N-no! that doesn't count! what about muh roasties having sex outside of marriage!

You got exposed very hard.

>>15806057
>a fully formed cognisant human having autonomy over their own body
Autonomy also leads to responsibility. No rights without duties. Nobody is forcing a woman to have vaginal sex.

>>15806060
I mentioned it because it was worth mentioning in the context, as well as it being obvious from my choice of literature.
>less poor people and low IQ children in the world is always the best option.
In which case you want to cease welfare and contraceptives, as those which have lower IQs will not be able to feed their spawns and those of higher IQ, which most reliably use contraceptives, will be force to give birth for the pleasure of sex. RIght now you have it exactly vice versa. Promoting gibs and the self-culling of higher IQ popultions.

>>15802974
Just imagine
you come home from work, a rough day. you hang up your coat and in slinks butterfly, on all fours as she has been all day, caked on make up falling off in bits.
"anon, I need..."
she turns her wide rump to you, pointed up into your face. even clothed it reeks.
"I need..."
she's sweating, and clouds of red collect anywhere her pasty, fishlike skin can be seen. you already know what she needs.
"pls anon"
either she drops her pants or they fall on their own, knowing what must happen. begrudgingly you remove your cock, erect out of a sense of duty more than anything else.
chubby fingers spread the ponderous cheeks, a yellow tinged string of some fluid webs between them, coyly hiding your goal. like the mouth of a hungry baby bird, her anus beckons to you.
you insert your glans and she begins moaning-- not wholly in pleasure-- and you can feel kernels of corn and other detritus grazing your urethra.
faster. harder. can't let it escape. if you pull out now, you'll just have to start over.
you coax the brown beast as butterfly moans louder, squeezing her sagged breasts in vain. just a little more. fingers clenching ass cheeks. minute farts escaping around your shaft. she's muttering something now, but you're. almost.
pushed out by a tidal wave of warm, viscous diarrhea. dangling, stained cock a witness to the tsunami of what once was a family sized portion of El Pollo Loco and drinkable yogurt. she's cumming, rubbing her vagina angrily-- but this is no vaginal orgasm: it is a pleasurable relief centered in the bowels, the fresh snow after an avalanche.
shit continues to pour, now only liquid, from her quivering anus. she thanks you
"thank you anon" *fart* "oh, thank you so much"
still on hands and knees, she leaves the way she came, leaving shitty cursive all over the wood floor. you proceed to the sink. in the other room you can hear the unmistakable sounds of a keyboard clacking.

>>15806087
> the live of newborns
>an unborn feotus

>b-but women have more empathy and empathy is important
I never said this, this was her

>>N-no! that doesn't count! what about muh roasties having sex outside of marriage!
didn't say this either, great job

I see you are of a similar level of critical thinking, do you frequent /pol/?

>>15806057
Why does bodily autonamy only come into play after the fact and not before?

>>15806113
A human which has autonomy, must also stand to their choice and take up the responsibility. If you don't consider a pregnancy from sex by choice such a ntural consequence you threat women like children, saying no less than that they have no full capacity for reason.

Do you think that the short pleasure of sex is more important than the potential life created by it?
In which case you are without empathy, made of pure hedonism.

Your arguments make no sense, becaue your ideology is already flawed from the start. Subconsciously considering women infantile, to be saved by the stat through the sacrifice of their unborn. Otherwise you would threat them like unwilling fathers, thrown into prison if they don't want to pay up for 20 years of child support. Or does a father have the right to cancel the pregnancy or cease paying for his child?

>>15806099
>>15806129
>>15806150
why do you assign so much value to the unborn vegetative coma like fetus that has yet to develop into anything resembling a thinking feeling human? and assign so much value as to it overriding the human freedom of a women to own her own body instead of being forced into pregnancy for 9 months and then also have a child she didn't want?

>>15806113
You said it here >>15805408
The defense of roasties is implicit in your arguments.
>N-no that's not me
Sure thing pal.

>>15802974
You need to stop.

>>15806170
Why don't you answer my questions?
Why don't you aknowledge self-responsibility and that actions have consequences? Again, nobody is inseminating women against their will. You people talk as if fucking would be a necessity for life like getting enought oxygen. It seems incomprehenseble for you o even entertain the thought that a woman might abstain from sex if she isn't ready for a child. Of for fuck sake, at least the 7 days each month in which she actually can get pregnant.

Stop making victims out of prepetrators or b straight about the fact that you consider women to be stupid beasts unable to use reason in any capacity.

>>15806170
Just calling out women on using muh body like a retard to even lead themselves to that circumstance in the first place. Contraception and muh rape mishaps are statistically irrelevant overall and its mostly just MUH CUMMIES (Yes men are complicit in this as well)

>>15806194
>The defense of roasties is implicit in your arguments
quote me the part then and explain how it implies this, you're delusional

>>15806201
you clearly are approaching abortion from some kind of sexual puritanism where you are trying to punish women for having extra marital sex rather than making any logical utilitarian humanitarian argument as to whether to allow abortion

>>15806234
>still no argument, rather some silly accustions
Just give up, my man. Leave this place and ponder why you were unable to answer such a simple question by a dumb, racist and naive housewife despite your superiour intellectual gifts.

>>15806257
>she says women shouldn't have sex if they don't want a baby
this is obviously dumb if you're a human especially since we have safe abortions so I just jumped to the root of the issue

>>15806234
I mean your argument also assumes that the child will 100% be some fuck up, and not just end up average... like most people, in another utilitarian perspective you are increasing a tax base, work base etc

Corporate boxes of marble with ornament good
Corporate boxes of glass without ornament bad

>>15806278
the boost to the work force is a negligible, from a macroeconomic perspective you could also say human population strain is too large. The biggest impact will obviously be to the birth mother having a child she didn't want at who knows what point in her life

>>15806264
>safe abortions
So, if the life of a bunch of cells is worthless and the procedure is safe, why not allow men to abort their own children? Surely it's the lesser of two evils than to expect the woman to raise them on herself without any support. Men shouldn't be punished by a puritan society which expects them to do the "right thing" after getting a woman pregnant.

And nah, that's not the root. It's a cheap exercise to circumvent being called out on your pseudo-empathy.

>>15806305
>The biggest impact will obviously be to the birth mother having a child
Is this the "women are the biggest victims of war" equivalent?

>>15806332
>why not allow men to abort their own children?
not abort it but I think they should have the right to decide not to support the child if they don't want it but the mother wants to keep it. That doesn't change my opinion that the girl should always be able to get the abortion if she wants though

>>15806374
>sex is more important than life
>children are an inconvinience for hedonism rather a necessity of life and biological imperative
Whatever my fren, you shouldn't talk about abortions, if you can never get one yourself. Don't take up speaking space which belong to women. :^)

>>15806398
>>children are an inconvinience for hedonism rather a necessity of life and biological imperative
people have the right to be childless and they can still have children with abortions being legal you know
>>sex is more important than life
it's more important than the pre-baby stage of life, just like my eating a salad is more important that the carrots life
;^)

>>15806430
>people have the right to be childless
Everyone has a moral obligation to ones ancestors to procreate, especially in abundant times like ours. Enjoy explaining your future children how you put a little more pre-wall hedonism above their sibling.
>lump of cells goes BRRRRT
Don't be surprised, when they wheel you off to some melanin infested nursing home, once you yourself become a burden on their hedonism or celebrate your hurling day. :^)

>it's more important than the pre-baby stage of life
It's a baby from inconception onwards, you only try to implement arbitrary timeframes to create a no-consequence buffer.

This was a nice thread. Thank you for showing the other anons what true empathy means (cumbuckting).

Preußentum und Sozialismus

>>15804069
well quit stalling and inform us to your understanding of objectivity would nullify statements like harry potter/lil uzi vert are superior to moby dick/beethoven

>>15805988
unfortunately he died last year, but left behind a massive collection which serves as a guide to conservatism.

>>15805231
>None of those things are left wing.
Are you retarded?

>>15802636
>mein kampf
>conservative

>>15802609
what's a conservative book desu

>>15804976
Because dogmatism is degenerate. Make up your own views. It will formulate when you have read enough of everything. You have to be a retard to not understand that every thinker and author is both right and wrong.