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The majority of people attendning Harvard are either going for free or are extremely wealthy.

Drop in the bucket for whoever can actually get into an ivy

>>15791122
At this point we should really just flush these institutions out and replace all the staff

>>15791143
Probably true for the top ones. Don't know if the same can be said for Cornell and Brown.

>>15791122
Hey, all the presidents and vice presidents, provosts and vice provosts, deans and associate deans, etc. need their second home payments paid. They can't do that if tuition costs go down.

>>15791122
People are still working there, anon. They are probably testing this too.

>>15791122
Why do mutts do this? Just join us Europoors, paid €2000 last year and free transport.

>>15791122
The elite's kids will have no issue paying that much. Hell, they even donate millions. As for the poor ones or middle class minorities, they get free rides.

>>15791162
I was really hoping corona would kill off everyone currently in academia

>>15791258
I paid like 20€/year kek. 25€/mo for transport and das it mayng.

>need to pay for access to campus amenities
>not allowed to actually access them

>>15791317
Corona isn't going to do all the work for us.

the days of institutional philosophy are numbered...

When I read a biography or some blurb about a person and it says they went off and "enjoyed a great education" or "quality education" or whatever, I get a bit sad.
I'm almost done with school, I don't I didn't enjoy much of this and I don't feel like I learned many useful things at all
There were two professors that I liked, one's subject was basically unrelated to the field I'm studying but they made me take the class, and the other guy pawned off most of the work to his assistant so I saw him rarely
This is just high school but less personal, nobody cares

I am a STEMtard though, I did this to myself I guess

>>15791122
The failure here comes from believing that the quality of education is what you're paying for at the Ivy League. It's not. You're paying for the privilege of having attended the institution.

>>15791686
Still seems nice though, the whole institution of it all
And even if the education is bad it's probably still the best there is, right?
My university is small, I don't identify with it in any way

>>15791724
I sincerely doubt any higher education is worth a 100000 dollars a year tuition cost. I mean, sure, Harvard has a lot of great teachers and professors, but there honestly is a limit to how good an education can be.

The library there is probably great though.

>>15791668
>I am a STEMtard though, I did this to myself I guess
I can tell you that the humanities is the same way, at least at the undergraduate level. I was able to learn some things, but it was all material I essentially taught myself using resources that were all publicly available. My STEM friends had a similar experience, but at least they're all employed now.

>>15791317
Textbook ressentiment

>>15791122
I will graduate in the spring with about $20k in debt. I’m just hoping I can either pursue graduate studies or simply move abroad when I’m done. I’m not paying this shit if I can avoid it

>>15791686
Its more about the connections you'll make from networking and getting your resume looked at by high end companies.

>>15791122
people aren't really paying for what they learn. they're paying for the credential.

>>15791955
Yeah and the problem is that it works. It actually works so well that people actually cheat their way into the Ivy League by bribing the Admissions Office.

>>15791967
Dunno, anons. Watch CS50. That Prof. David classes are great.

>>15791122
So Harvard is absolutely going to get the shit sued out of them, right?

>>15791122
>pays for tuition via taxes his whole life

Do europoors really?

>>15792025
Maybe. But they won't lose. 40 billion dollars can buy a lot of good lawyers.

>>15791877
you pay $100k to learn that word, faggot?

>>15792046
They're about to lose in the fucking Supreme Court against a bunch of Asians.

>>15791977
That bribery is just a more direct version of the test prep, tutoring, private schools, etc. that rich people already use to get into the top schools.

>>15791122
Education should be free.

>>15792025
Sued for what, exactly?

>>15792056
Learned it for free bitch

>>15792068
And compulsory.

>>15791798
I imagine the humanities to be somewhat different because you get to write essays and your professor (or an assistant) grades them and writes little notes, so there is at least some exchange
Different beasts bad for different reasons I guess

>>15792068
Education should be good

>>15792046
Anon I do not think you appreciate just how wealthy some of the people who send their kids to Harvard are. There are a lot of middle-class, middlebrow strivers who send their kids there, true, but there are still some genuine Old Money types that send their kids there also, and those people have a lot of money and they hate wasting it. Harvard can afford good lawyers, but those people can afford BETTER lawyers.

>>15792061
Well a violation of the Civil Rights Act is a lot stronger case than "I don't have to meet up at campus this semester therefore I should pay 15k less dollars."

>>15792073
They discriminate against Asians during admissions so that more coloreds can get in. Asians are too smart apparently.

>>15792088
I actually have zero idea desu, because I don't have the numbers. I've always assumed that at least 40% of Harvard are middle class strivers who want to become ruling class and the rest are just Old or New Money just cementing their rule.

Either way I'm pretty sure you need a really strong case to win against Harvard in court.

>>15791668
>>15791798
>inb4 you don't go to university for the learning experience but for the networking.
I despise this shit so much. I'm a CStard and highly I doubt I'll have a job waiting for me once I graduate.
>inb4 a college education isn't meant to provide with a job.
At least I know how to traverse a linked list, rotating an AVL tree, etc. flipping burgers at Dunkan Donuts.

>>15791779
The only people who pay that much are people whose parents make close to seven figures a year. My best friend went but we're both from broke families and he never had to pay a cent in tuition, and got most of his housing and food covered by other scholarships.
My schooling was free too, but that's because my state gives full-ride scholarships to any locals who stay in-state and maintain a good GPA paid for, ironically, by dirt-poor retards addicted to the lottery.

>>15792140
If you're CS and can't get a job right out of school you have to be a complete fucking idiot or at an absolute bottom-of-the-barrel community college. I can name half a dozen friends that went to the local big state school for CS and now make more than me, and I had to tutor them all in math when we were in high school.

>>15791122
it isnt the courses you are paying for, its the brand. Going to St. Something in Padook Iowa for the same cost is the real problem

>>15792140
Sounds like you didn't network or otherwise do any projects that would look good on your resume. I'm a math grad student but when I hang out with all the CS majors, they get jobs left and right from what I see at all the STEM career fairs. I mean, you can still change things, but yeah you didn't do jackshit in school.

>>15792087
Some of my professors gave useful comments, some of them gave useless comments (inflated praise for "saying the right thing," complaints about formatting, merely saying "good" or "elaborate," etc.) and some didn't give any comments at all. It probably varies, depending on the school or how willing you are to express your unfiltered opinions in your writing (I was always too scared to write anything politically incorrect), but my experience with professors was pretty similar to how you describe yours.
I think it's possible to develop a productive student-professor relationship in the humanities, but the chances of that happening aren't any greater than they would be if you studied something else. The idea of having a "mentor" is no longer necessary to the way the humanities are taught now, and the mechanics of the university system are set up to discourage it.

>>15792025
>trying to sue Harvard
we talking about the Harvard Law School Harvard?
lmao good luck

>>15792061
I have a strong feeling that even a verdict in favor of the plaintiffs will be overturned eventually, seeing the direction that the UC schools are going.

>>15792084
>>15792068
While we're at it, all young children should taught Latin and caned until they master it — those who fail have no use of an education and can go work on a farm — and then from the age of six years their instruction should solely be in Latin.

>>15792724
KEK yes, anon. One must translate the canon to Latin.

>>15792140
>CStard
Bug man

>>15792889
>t. retard who can't into CS

Can't someone just record all the lectures and upload them for free online?

>>15793117
Yale and MIT have some of theirs on Youtube.

>>15793117
You won't get your assigments graded, feedback, and support

It's all about the brand.

>>15791122
america is a racket

>>15793126
yeah, and they're fucking unwatachable garbage. No wonder people skip lectures and just do the assigned reading.

I wanted to learn about the French revolution, but the professor talked about his vacation to France, a toy guillotine he bought, why he was wearing a suit today instead of his usual frumpy professor clothes and how he and his son share the same suit and tie, and then he translated an awful French rock and roll song about the period, and this all took well over half an hour before he actually began the lecture.

>>15793256
I'm sure there is a lot of trash among them but the guy from Yale who did a lecture series on Don Quixote was great.

>>15791139
>>15791143
This. If someone attends it, then he has little problem with it.

test

>>15793485
doesn't works

>>15791122
i go to stanford. taking time off, anyone with a brain would do the same.

>>15793102
>t. Insect

>>15793504
maybe next time

>>15791258
I'm an american and I didn't pay jack shit for college. Free ride, and honestly non-scholarship students are just paying their way through education.

>>15791258
smart poor-lower middle class kids get college paid for via endowment. pricetag is inconsequential for rich kids.

the only "americans" that end up paying tuition are midwits in state-tier schools who drink and smoke weed everyday

>>15791176
I used to teach at Brown. The Chinese noveau riche will not bat an eye.

>>15793544
I paid full price for my undergrad at UCLA. Though tuition back then was around $2k a quarter so it wasn't expensive.

>>15792061
asians deserve to be discriminated against. bug infections are not to be welcomed.

>>15792764
the product is networking and connections you stupid fucking retard.

>>15793634
That must mean you're entirely too old for this place

>>15791258

where you at? thinking of rolling German school

>>15793634
2k? Was this during the Woodrow Wilson administration?

>>15793162
So you pay 50k for that?!

>>15794564
You pay 50k x4 for the piece of paper that says you've been indoctrinated

>>15792221
>Sounds like you didn't network or otherwise do any projects that would look good on your resume.
Why even bother with the college debt, then? Simply create interesting projects with 4 years of free time.

>>15794614
You still need to network in order for your professors to get better opportunities and the like. It isn't the 80s or even the 90s (or even the 2000s in some cases) anymore where you could get away with just interesting projects helping launch your career. You need some networking in order to get ahead.

>>15794649
People said that shit in the 80s and 90s too

>>15791952
Get a job retarded zoomer

>>15794653
Yeah, but it was possible to get hired right away with just a high school degree if you were a programming savant. That's pretty much impossible now though.

>>15791122
haha look at the term
twenty-twenty/twenty-twenty one

>>15792724
Based

I wish my uni did this. Would save an hour of commuting each day and I don't use any of the campus amenities to begin with

>>15794920
Dunno, anons. It is good to be around people who are learning the same thing as you are and being able to discuss what you just learned.

>>15791877
Yeah? I wanna be a professor but all positions are taken by old faggot neolibs who want to destroy society and would rather shove their politics down students throats than teach

>>15791952
>I will graduate in the spring with about $20k in debt
That's nothing

>>15794746
what?

>>15793764
No it's not loser

>>15791139
This. Harvard isn't about education anymore, but showing diversity. They don't look for students who have the best GPAs, they look at the color of their skin. These students don't pay a dime into it since they are essentially being used as propaganda anyway.

>>15791578
>paying for transport
ngmi
>>15794299
Netherlands. I've met a few Americans that go to uni in Germany and they're all pretty happy with it. Althought it depends on what you plan to study, lots of Germans go to the Netherlands for study because courses are just better and easier to get into in many cases. Only country I'd avoid considering when it comes to studying in Western Europe is Belgium, absolute shitter of a country.

all the books are the same, you pay the harvard tuition for the connections youll make

Can someone answer my question? Why college is such a myth for americans? It's not even that expensive, americans earn like 100k$/year but save money since birth for college. Why so? And is it difficult to enroll in a ivy league uni?
>>15791668
Read rich dad poor dad, this is one of the point of the book.

>>15791122
>Do Americans really?
Do you really have to ask?

>>15795974
>used as propaganda anyway
What do you think branding is you fucking moron?
And what do you think Harvard is. It's a brand.
You buy Nike, or Coke, at a premium because you're a zombie 9/10ths of the time, and some HR zombie buys Harvard for exactly the same reason

>>15796570
>Read rich dad poor dad, this is one of the point of the book.
Could you please elaborate on this a little? I might read that book if it relates to the post

>>15796599
Why would you take some /biz/ meme moron seriously?

Friendly reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkz0Fyhzpts

>>15796599
Basically Kiyosaki says that we teach kids that "you should study, have good grades and go to university if you want to have a successful job and earn money", while in reality it's not always like this. The title Rich dad Poor dad was given because Kiyosaki had 2 mentors: his Poor biological dad (graduated from college, working a 9 to 5 job) and his Rich dad (a friend's father, self made man who didn't go to college).
>>15796605
>muh memes
Book is ok, argument your statement or don't bother others.

>>15792068
What's provided in colleges today is hardly education, anon. The government should honestly just make a few regional institutions that are free (with lodging/food/etc.) but hold themselves to a much higher standard: Compulsory drug checks, around double the courseload the average college 'student' takes (they take like what 30 credits a year? Unironically make it 60 a year), actual academic standards (no 'dropping' classes/actual threat of expulsion for poor academic performance), graduate with multiple degrees or certification and a degree (bar, etc.), and no admissions bullshit: GPA, SAT/ACT with essay, and household income for every year of high school - that's it.

they should just make white-only schools

>>15791122
US and UK universities are literally scams. Prove me wrong

>>15791162
start your own instantiations
>>15791122
yes, you pay for profs speech. I was never provided with anything in uni so Im not sure what else you think the money is going towards.

>>15795974
weeds have seeds

So are people gonna record these lectures and upload them so poorfags can see what richfags are taught?

>>15797807
yes but there is nothing they teach you cant find elsewhere. its not about what they teach, its about where they teach. I once asked my prof if there was an audio book of the subject he was doing, so I could review it before the exam and he was like 'if there was one, why would anyone pay me"?

>>15797020
Why should "they" do anything for (You)r racist ass?
They're rich jews. They hate you

>>15797733
So where would you apply? Tokyo?

>>15791139
yeah and those who are neither are getting fucked

>>15791952
That’s a used car

>>15791952
youre lucky brotha !

>>15797733
they are scams for people wanting to learn. But not scams for people who want jobs.
They open doors and give you jobs instantly.
You can become a writer for hollywood if you went to harvard

>>15796570
>It's not even that expensive, americans earn like 100k$/year
What kind of bubble do you live in?

>>15791952
I graduated law school 2 years ago and passed my bar with specialty in criminal law, still cant find a good job.

>>15792025
Harvard is all about making connections, starting shit with Harvard is good way to become untouchable

>>15797890
You aren't a chosen one, am I right?

>>15797890
why aren't you a public prosecutor or defender?

>>15797835
Germany

>>15795974
Sneed

>>15797905
no
>>15797910
failed to pass testing to get an internship at the prosecutors office. even if you get it you have to work for cheap and once you are finished they put you on a list and if a position opens up they will call you. The list has like 100 people on it.
>defender
No job openings there. plus the pay is shit and hours are horrible. should have gone into civil law but criminal was easier. Now im a "private" defender, clients never want to pay and are literal retards. I actually had a guy try to use the "she walked into a door" defense when he was charged with 5 counts of domestic violence. he undermined me every step of the way and then his family acted like I was not doing enough. not to mention half the money got taken by the firms partner and he literally had to be threaten by the clients family before he showed up to a signal hearing, basically I did 80-90% of the work and got 40% of the pay. Im applying to a new location, again so maybe this time it will work out.

>>15791139
This. White students are Senator's sons with infinite money. 25% their pet niggerspics they let in to placate the Black Panthers in the 70s. The remaining 15%, workaholic asians, might get fucked, but frankly alot of them are probably getting instructions and cash from the Chinese Communist Party so whatever

>>15792025
If they let kids come to the campus and get sick then yeah.

>>15798010
Do you ever wonder why you're defending losers?

>>15797875
Yes, if you went to Harvard but what about other unis which aren't top tier? Why the fuck are they charging as much as good unis, especially in the UK where all unis charge £9k/yr? In the end they are just selling you an inflated piece of paper because thousands of other people have that same paper but only a few jobs vacancies are available.

>>15793506
t.jew bootlicker

>>15798073
bad unis are still good enough to get away with it maybe?

>>15796200
>>15794299
I'm American and I did one masters in Germany and the other in the Netherlands. Both are cheap, comfy options. Not sure where to go next honestly. Paying so much for online "learning" does seem absurd. But I did blow over a hundred thousand on my undergrad in the US so I can't say I didn't fall for it.

>>15797733
They're not scams, they're power brokerages. The value comes not from the education but from joining the fraternities, which is how you actually get support to join someone's corporate board instead of just being a particularly useful worker ant who slams into the concrete ceiling before encountering genuine power.
But those insitutions are hyper-elitist; they're allowed to impose barriers to entry that not even the institutions they exist within can. Fraternity leaders can look you dead in the eye and ask who your father was. The idea that these institutions exist within a realm as progressive as the modern university is an obvious condtradiction, and several mid-tier schools have already nixed them, albeit obstensibly for public-health reasons.
Here's a thought experiment-- we're roughly in year 30 of Blacks and Hispanics making up large sectors of Ivy education, and there was never a corressponding rush of Black and Hispanic CEOs.
There are alot of ways to interpret that, but the one that makes the most sense to me is that a Harvard education for an ordinary man absent the genuine admission to New England high society will give you a pick of a variety of comfortable public & private sector jobs, but does not really entitle you to the claim of "highly educated" or the intergenerational wealth built by those that were born into that society.
MIT and Cambridge are still probably the premier learning institutions in the world, in that order. But the idea that Eurasian institutions are all way down the list, or that they are particularly far behind is absurd. Unless you have family who have already existed within that system, the worlds top universities probably reads not "HARVARD YALE OXFORD" but "MIT CAMBRIDGE BERKELEY TOKYO ZURICH".

Thanks for coming to my ted talk

>>15798063
because I need money for food. If you are asking why they are losers, its because "master criminals" dont end up at the stand for small shit.

>>15796570
>It's not even that expensive
It is for an 18 year old
>but save money since birth for college
That's how it used to work, but most parents these days would rather buy a 3rd car then help their child stay out of debt
>And is it difficult to enroll in a ivy league uni
It's basically a lottery.They don't have much to judge you on since everyone applying has a 4.0 highschool GPA and a 95th percentile or higher SAT score, so it's only really based on your admission essay (where they want you to write a big sob story) and your "diversity"

>>15793764
bro you can meet people who went to harvard at places other than harvard

>>15791317
But, but, I’m getting my MA anon :(
I don’t wanna die

>>15797807
Probably. It would be illegal because a lecture is intellectual property, but it’s not like that’s stopped people before.

>>15791668
college is just a filtering mechanism
good on those that enjoy it or learn material from it, but those aren't the main objectives

>>15791122
Unis are a shitty Modern vestige

>>15792025
>Sued out of them right?
No because Harvard will pay off the judge in no time.

SHOW ME POTATO SALAD

>>15794711
I will try to in another country. Thanks
>>15795131
I know that’s it’s better than most.
>>15797853
I’m not sure what kind of cars you buy, but my family hasn’t spent more than $5000 on a car for many years and I have no intention of ever buying a car for more than that
>>15797861
I’m sorry they got you. But I appreciate it
Ok
>>15797890
That’s really rough. You’re probably in way worse shape than I am. I actually thought about thinking about law but stopped when I decided I didn’t want to sell my soul more than I already had

>>15792068
It is. It's called a library dude...

Actual classwork makes up about 10% of what you learn at any Ivy League place
they're going there for name recognition, networking, and coronation into the power elite. Hoes being mad about the tuition staying the same projection normie problems onto an elite institution, and serves only to prove that said tuition is totally irrelevant to people who attend harvard. couldnt really give a fuck

>>15795974
>all but two literally wearing a hoodie under a lab coat

>>15791122
Zoomer here, my college is opening its campus but will still have a mix of online and in-person classes so I'm just deferring my acceptance by a year so I can read and write and take online courses and maybe community college classes and hang out with my friends who are going to colleges close to home for another year

>>15800096
Also my college is 80k too but I'm getting like 70k in scholarships and grants so it doesn't matter that much