/lit/ - Literature

brownbear, i am sorry to say this, but kill yourself. :/

i don't

Why not? No correlation

last time I made fun of Brownbear I got banned for two weeks. I burn with hatred for you.

I get the feeling that "the poor" is a euphemism for "Africans", lol

>>1577171
what did you do????

why?

pic related

Because if we help the poor with very basic needs they may be able to repay us in ways that would make keeping them alive more beneficial to us. I mean that's like asking why we don't kill mentally handicap people.

I dont see how evolution has anything to do with the poor

>>1577171
why would you get banned for making fun of brownbear lol??????????????????????

>>1577189

because the poor evolved into being poor there's nothing we can do to change it it's evolution

>>1577192
LOL ANUN IS 1 BEG HAPPI FAMILEE

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUK DA BRON BAIR

>>1577199
>because the poor evolved into being poor there's nothing we can do to change it it's evolution

yeah we can, we can direct ourselves out of not being poor, and change our evolution. Much like we directed ourselves out of wood huts

>>1577192
He said he was a kid fucker, and then 'picrelated'

>If evolution is true, why help the poor?
There's a lot of ways you could go with this:
>I am the poor.
>implying that lack of avarice is a bad trait
>implying that poor are essentially flawed
>etc

>>1577186
Why don't we kill mentally handicapped people? What do they do for us?

>>1577155
If God exists, why are there poor people?

>>1577199

Are you serious? Evolution is about biology, not your fucking social status

>>1577213
Then why are the poor poor if not because of biology?

biological poverty is a real problem

>implying survival of the fittest has to do with social status and not reproductive success.

...because evolution involves physical and biological evoluation/natural selection.

If you look at our society through an evolution lens it would be athletes that would be number 1 in terms of natural selection. OP's proposal is flawed when you consider that many of the world's top athletes come from some of the poorest countries in the world and that some of the wealthiest people on the planet are people that would probably be weeded out through Darwinian natural selection.

Bottom line is that we currently live in a society where evolution and natural selection is now irrelevant for the human race. In other words, the human race (actually species) has ceased to evolve mostly due to the fact that we as a species have evolved to the point to where we theoretically beat evolution and natural selection.

>>1577238
this is one of the dumbest fucking things i have ever skimmed over

>>1577242

Do you even know what natural selection is?

>>1577246
>natural selection is now irrelevant for the human race
you actually beleive this

i can't be caught speaking with you

>>1577246
Who do you know who doesn't?

i can confirm that fabulous doesn't know what natural selection is

>>1577252
???

read his post

>>1577185

Mutual Aid as a Factor in Evolution

Nice.

Relatedly, isn't the combination of socialization (which other animals possess) with self-awareness (which no other animal possesses) the real killer ap of the human species? Operating individually in some sort of non-scientist's stereotype of Darwinian struggle technology and civilization would not advance, or at least not nearly as quickly as large groups of people competing with each other. Think the technological and organizational leaps made in warfare compared to the leaps made in man on man competition or by lone phenoms.

Also, see colony-based insects. They are able to specialize in ways organizations with individualistic survival instincts can't, because they can sacrifice the natural fitness of members of their societies for highly specialized roles that increase the fitness of the colony as a whole. Just as agrarian civilization was able to support standing armies, which are over specialized and incapable of feeding themselves if they are separated from the rest of the colony.

>>1577253
idk. i can understand what he's talking about, as a political question.

i dont want to get into a big discussion about this because i am tired

>>1577252
Fabulous actually seems to know what he's talking about here, you're stupid.

>>1577249

yes it is. Simply because humans evolved to the point where our own ingenuity has forged a society where our survival no longer depends on being able to breed out faults. Additionally science and technology are doing all of the adaptation for us now so our survival no longer hinges on whether we can live through a particular disease for example. Our susceptibility or resilience to the world around us is trumped by medicine and science.

>>1577276
the anon is making a political statement, quite obviously. i don't think it's a stupid one. not going to explain it today, bye bye.

>>1577238
>natural selection is now irrelevant for the human race.

No.

>>1577323
thanks new tripfriend

>>1577280
That's because humans have found that intelligence trumps every other evolutionary trait. It's like a video game with that one weapon that is just too strong and ruins the balance of play. Humans have effectively broken evolution.

I don't think economic status has anything to do with the theory of Evolution.

Sorry, try again.

>>1577212
Christians regurgitated response would be FREE WILL WE GOTZ FREE WILL, NOT GOD'S FAULT!

Social darwinism =/= biological darwinism

>>1577410
>Humans have effectively broken evolution.

The things you say are incredibly stupid.

>>1577721
How, if what this >>1577280 comment says is true?

>>1577913
The difference is that >>1577238 makes the claim that we've beaten evolution and that it no longer has an effect on us while >>1577280 is saying that we've beaten survival based evolution. The difference is we still have to deal with evolution everyday, but in a different way than other species do. I honestly feel like a lot of the people in this thread are all talking about the same thing.

If the theory of gravity is true, why not throw puppies off a cliff?

Woke up and at work now, bump!

>>1578162
You are the worst trip on /lit/.

Stupid Christians

That doesn't make sense.

OP pic is a gross misapplication of Darwin's idea; congratulations on being idiots again, godfags.

Yeah evolution is pretty stupid lol,stupid ugly weak people are somehow the rule and not the exception

>>1578165
>>1578165

You're just jealous my threads get more replies than you're
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fuck off brownbore

>>1578206
>>1578206

Anti-sage!

>>1578220
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

>>1578227
>>1578227

On my phone so can't click, sorry.
Give me a quick run through of what it is?

>>1578236
a bunch of dumb eng lit undergrads trying too hard to be funny

>>1578241
>English lit
>Medicine, law, history
>dumb
>Oxbridge
Someone sounds awful jelly

>>1578253

meh. once you know Oxbridge undergrads are funnelled from elitist schools it suddenly becomes less impressive.

Doctoral students, yeah, impressive.

>>1578261
It's a bit of a joke.

But if you want elitism, medicine is the way to go.

Because natural selection is a horrific process and we are the first species with the ability to escape it.

Sexual selection will take care of evolution so we don't have to.

Oxbridge is a for profit organization, not that hard to get in.

>>1578268

Here's me thinking sexual selection was a mechanism of evolution. I don't I feel silly. Oh, wait...

>>1578278
It's an elitist institution, and it's pretty damn hard to get in for most people. They're not too bothered about whether mommy and daddy have money since the funding from undergrads is pretty tiny compared to other streams.

>>1578282

Not monetary profit.
If they profit from letting you in, they do.
That means important parents for instance.

>>1578284
Not really.

>>1578281

You're right it is, but I was talking about natural selection, the kind of selection which would see the poor are not supported.

Evolution as a concept is something I have no problem with.

ITT: Wut is everlooseshun?

>>1578288
>>1578288
>>1578288

Are you saying that genetically superior people become wealthier so have genetically superior children? Is that your version of natural selection?

>>1578286

Not Oxbridge per se but...
George W. Bush, B.A. in Yale, M.B.A. at Harvard Business School.

Happens all the time with CEOs, etc etc.

I'm beginning to smell Social Darwinism in this thread...

>>1578295
Not Oxbridge at all. There's definitely an "old boy's network", but it's not on the same level as the US ivy leagues.

>>1578300
>>1578300

I point you to this:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article2492736.ece

>"One third of admissions to Oxbridge come from just 3 per cent of elite independent schools, which appear to be tightening their stranglehold on top university places"

And not from the most socialist of sources either.

>>1578300

When I went to Oxford (exchange program), you could very much smell upper class British people from a hundred yards away.

What you call "old boy's network" is stronger than you think.

>>1578292

That's the interpretation of many people, usually with a right wing political mindset.

I don't think there is enough evidence to support the idea that intellect can be reliably inherited from your parents.

There is a correlation with IQ and success, however.

>>1578301
>>1578303
Which has what to do with "famous parents" having an influence?

>>1578304

correlation =/= causation

>>1578309

But correlation is necessary for causation.

What do you think the lurking variable is?

Or do you think it is a complete coincidence?

>>1578306

well, firstly, it shows wealthy people get preference.

Also (not in the article though) the interview system lets colleges discriminate.

David Lammy (MP in north london) wrote an article in the guardian last year about it and brought it up in House of Commons

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/06/the-oxbridge-whitewash-black-students

I'm not saying anything about famous parents. Its a class issue. "Sound" people are let in, but people who don't "fit" aren't offered places.

>>1578315
>What do you think the lurking variable is?

Money

>>1578315

I think it's anedoctal.

"If you torture numbers, they'll confess to anything" - Alfred Sauvy, founding father of modern statistics.

>>1578315
>>1578315

I think that you need to understand the timescales of evolution better. Several generations are not long to augment genetic coding appreciably.

There is a glut of data supporting "nurture" over "nature". It's not amazing that highly educated people consider themselves genetically superior. It's a lame justification of class.

>>1578318
That's great, but you're preaching to the choir here. You still wouldn't get an academically inept child of a head of state into Oxbridge, and that's the only point I'm making.

The joke is, the true divide isn't private vs. state school in Oxbridge, it's council estate vs. not in universities in general. And that's rarely talked about if at all.

>>1578324

So you believe genetic intelligence exists, but that for the 50,000 years that humans have been behaviorally modern discrepancies with intelligence could not have arisen from the plethora of human races?

How would you explain ashkenazi intelligence?

>>1578335

>So you believe genetic intelligence exists
You know what? I don't even think I do.
It's almost entirely nuture. It is more an argument of the resourses put into a child. Social/economic effects dwarf any genetic ones.

>>1578343

So you think that if everyone was raised in the same environment we would have identical creativity and intelligence?

Perhaps we could create a generation of Mozarts by raising all children with intensive music lessons from a young age.

I find such beliefs usually stem from an appreciation for collectivism.

I am a democratic socialist, however I make no attempt to interpret reality in favour my views, in fact I actively try and seek the opposite to ensure that I do not subconsciously favour one interpretation.

Perhaps you should try the same.

I get what previous anon was going on about. It isn't that humanity has escaped evolution, nothing escapes evolution. What humanity has found is the shortcut method. Through use of intelligence we are capable of making leaps and bounds that would take evolution millions and millions of years in the span of a hundred. Using intellect we can adapt, something that would happen anyways, much faster. We will physically adapt as well over time to most given enviroments, but we will have long since made ourselves adapted in that enviroment through science.

You and the poor form a symbient circle. What happens to one of you will affect the other. You must understand this.

Why does /lit/ holds the worst, most attention starving tripfags of 4chan?
It's almost as if there's a correlation between attention whoring and trying to appear more intelligent...

>>1578362
It is a message board about literature. Let that sink in for a minute and come back later.

>>1578362
>>1578362

Pretty sure that's been posted here before bro. Haters hatin etc

>>1578359
symbiont

>>1578362

oh THIS

>>1578362

It's ironic that you accuse me of being a pseudo-intellectual and yet you attack me with insults and you fail to see that there would be no benefit to me for making myself seem more intelligent over an anonymous message board.

Perhaps you are projecting your own fears about your own pretentiousness, you are obviously one of those people prefer to judge others in a debate without actually participating yourself because you believe it gives you the authority to be sanctimonious.

/slap truman

>>1578390

Self-esteem.

First word is "self". Doesn't matter if you're anonymous. Which you're not, by the way.

Remember when this faggot posted this same shit to troll /v/?

Feelsboredman.jpg

so fabulous how long do you think it took humans to evolve from apes

>>1578395

Of course it matters if I'm anonymous. I am detached significantly from personal criticism and acclaim because they are not directed at me, merely my online persona for which I am not superficial enough to take as an accurate representation of me.

>>1578394

Meaningful input as always, onionring.

>>1578414
>pretentious douche
>filtered

>>1578414
u should sage ur posts in this thread from now on since they wont be interesting.

>>1578416

Subpar trolling in here.

>Cant respond to my arguement
>Call me names instead
>I call you hypocritcs
>call me a troll.

GG anonymous.

I didn't think a feminist would be so populist, onionring.

>>1578423
You and Onion should just fuck and get it over with, bro.

it's okay truman when you grow older you'll realize how not to embarrass yourself in public.

>tripdrama

>>1578431
he's not getting anywhere near me

societal stability?
compassion?
property values?

>>1578434

>4chan
>public

>>1578441
if you can't do it here you wont do it anywhere either.

>>1578442

oinionring

>if you can't do it here you wouldn't do it anywhere either

>>1578443
do you do this in your daycare too?

>>1578463

>>1578468
at least quote me properly.

it's if you cant do it here you cant do it anywhere else either.

>>1578475

There was no punctuation. Both sentences are equally retarded in any case.

Perhaps you shouldn't have deleted it. Or was it something you wouldn't have said anywhere else either?

>>1577171
>>1577171

If you insulted me whilst posting child porn I don't think you were banned because of the insult bro.

>>1578565

we dont need to evolve any more we have machines and shit to adapt us to our surroundings plus evolution isnt beholden to morality

>>1578763
>>1578763
back from work now

BB, haters gonna hate. We love you, and love your threads.

Keep up the good work!

Zeriously, this thread is just full of jeealous ass tripfags who are shitting green because their threads can't get 100+ replies.

There's tripfags and tripfriends. BB is a tripfriend.

pic relates.

bb can you have your picnic somewhere else

>>1578863
>>1578863
:(
why are you being like this onionring?

im sick and in a bad mood

>>1578867
>>1578867

that's not very good,
wanna hug it out?
i'm sick too...
and i fell off a treadmill at the gym the other day, in a moment of intense stupidity.

my iPod dropped and the earphones unplugged, it hit the treadmill and was sent flying.
the treadmill was at 15 speed, which is near to sprinting, so i stupidly decide to turn around to get my phone, have a moment of trying to run backwards and stay on, the hit my arse on the treadmill, graze my arm so it's all sore and bloody and make a fool of myself.

wasn't a good day.

it's okay im trying to write a paper and also a sad letter to whine about various stuff

> come back to /lit/ after three months
> Brownbear is still a prominent faggot

>>1578890
>>1578890
that's just straight up unkind.

>>1578878
>>1578878
feels sucky, who's the letter to?