/lit/ - Literature

Wow, what a nice OP.

>>15759240

>>15759240
I appreciate it OP but unfortunately I'm still gonna an hero

>>15759325
Why fren? :/

>>15759240
hi OP. I have barely any real life friends. I am lonely

I've found so much great literature thanks to this board. It's been tough watching it slowly fall into politics.

Stay comfy frens

>>15759240
KEK this thread of frog posters, but yes, thanks, OP.

>>15759342
>I've found so much great literature thanks to this board
As have I. Thankfully, the amerimutts spamming their politics motivates me to stay off this board and spend more time reading the reccs.

>>15759334
I am sorry fren. Do you want to be my friend?

>>15759342
What's the best book lit made you aware of fren?

>>15759402
I really really enjoyed Madame Bovary and Growth of the Soil. yourself fren?

>>15759387
yes

>>15759418
Never read Growth of the Soil, but now I will. You gave back what you were given. Thanks fren!

As for myself I would have never even known Stoner existed and it turned out to be one of the best reads I ever had. Aside from that it also introduced me to a lot of neat poetry. I don't come from a really academic background, and so lit really helped me a lot in finding and exploring my true passion.

>>15759419
Awesome, we frens now!

How do you want to stay in contact fren?

>>15759240
Depression always seems to hit losers the hardest

Thanks, fren.

>>15759240
> depressed or suicidal
These are social constructs born out of an ad-hoc belief system that needs to reason about humans while at the same time stating that there is nothing to reason about.

>>15759485
It's okay fren, I am a loser too.

>>15759240
>love and fuck butterfly
im trying fren...

Frens don't sweat it, given a wide enough perspective all your worries become meaningless
Don't waste your effort worrying about things that will have no meaning in the end anyway
Happy or sad, time will pass
Your lives have been settled from the start
Don't sweat it frens, it's all been taken care of
Take care frens

>>15759506
You are really smart fren. I am sure many people appreciate your insights on the human condition. The world needs great thinkers like you <3

>>15759521
Love you fren. Very true.

>>15759519
Don't worry fren I believe in you. If you would live in the same city butterfly could be your wife. Don't forget that. You are a winner.

hey man shut the fuck up

>>15759591
Rough day, huh fren?

Ok, now I’m gonna kill myself

>>15759240
Thanks fren, this board has made me far happier over the years I’ve spent on it by encouragement to read and recommendation of great literature. It has helped me better arrange my mind, emerge from depression and determine how I want to spend the rest of my life. Even recently I’ve had some comfy discussions of literature, particularly about Moby Dick and Don Quixote, so despite the politically obsessed and illiterate newfags, I’m still glad that /lit/ exists.
>>15759325
Don’t do it fren, there’s always possibility of improvement. What makes you want to do it?
>>15759402
Not him of course but:
The master and margarita was the best that I hadn’t heard of before coming here. Moby Dick was the best that I was encouraged to read on /lit/, but at the time I was only told that it was comfy, so I assumed it would be enjoyable quite good literature with an aesthetic that made it especially comfy to me (nautical); but in actuality it was the most wondrously beautiful work I had ever read, in a way it makes me sad because there must be books from other cultures that I can never appreciate in the same way that are just as good, but we should be happy for what we have and strive to do even better, not be sad about what we don’t have.

fren thread!

>>15759763
>hybrid
lol

>>15759240
Take it easy fren, and dont waste too much time on twitch

Take care everyone, this thread is comfy as hell

Thank you, fren. Today has been rough for me.

My grandfather's funeral was today and it broke my heart seeing my grandmother have to say goodbye.

They had been married 67 years.

>>15759763
I love this picture

godbless lads

>>15759240

>>15760134
>females are the /a/ of /lit/, males are the /b/
Let them have their frog thread, and re-read Aristophanes about arguing with frogs. We can fight about that in the interval. Ready, steady, go!

>>15759459
Argh Stoner is one I really want to read, I ordered it off of Amazon but they just sent me an empty package instead somehow.

>>15760038
I'm sorry to hear that fren, Cest la vie

>>15759240
based op

>>15759240
I just watched the episode of Dragonball where Chi-Chi and Goku get engaged and the bit where she met up with the gang after all those years was the first time I've felt genuine happiness in about two years.

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760422
SNEED

Remember frens, even if we are separated by space and time, we will always be one in heart and soul

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760422
sneed

>>15760241
stoner is really good, you should definitely read it

He who bends to himself a joy
Does the winged life destroy;
But he who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives in eternity's sunrise.
>William Blake

(Feel better, frens)

>>15760422
SNEED

i'm gonna do it fren.. i cant take it any more. IM SO LONELY

>>15760702
Don't fren. I love you. Let's talk instead <3

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760721
...

>>15760728
Come here fren.

>a bunch of 20- and 30-somethings and older larping as a retarded prepubescent frog
Surely there are better ways to get one's point across than by reducing everything to the base neologism of "fren."

I do genuinely hope you all pull through, though—well, except the hateful. You guys are on your own.

>>15760808
stop bullying my FRENS

What is it about Apu that draws us in. Why do I have triple digit counts of Apu images saved. What does he mean to you frens?

>>15760903
apu is the platonic form of the good and innocent

>>15760903
He is a simple creature; he represents innocence and bliss. You wish you had these traits.

>>15759240
Thanks fren, my moms dying from cancer right now and I can’t visit her due to covid restrictions. I have to watch her die over FaceTime, a little more every day. Glad someone cares.

>>15760903
Parental instincts. He is just a smol retard and you want to help him.

>>15759240
Ily OP and I love this board

I think about killing myself all the time, but i would never actually do it.
It makes me feel alive to have a taboo secret.

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760808
You sound the most hateful here right now fren

There is love in Christ, Anon, but don't let the charlatans here fool you. Christ isn't about hate, he is an all inclusive God. The perfect Father who loves all his children. The key to happiness is living a life full of good actions and love. Try not to hate or judge others without putting yourself in their shoes first. You must also learn to appreciate the little things, actually stop and appreciate simple moments where things are peaceful, beautiful, or just pleasurable. It's key.

>>15759342
Unironically, for all people on here shit on /lit/ for not reading. And admittedly I don't read quite as much as I like to. The last 5 books I read, and quite enjoyed, were recommended by Anon's on here.

>>15760976
Oh god I can't even imagine how gutted you must feel. I will keep you and your mom in my prayers fren. I know it is not much but I genuinely feel heartbroken for you right now.

>>15759268
Fuck this image really speaks to me. The temptation to just ignore the internet, news etc and just live in mental isolation seems like bliss sometimes.

>>15761063
It's a pity party; anything other than wallowing in despair brings me closer to hateful than anyone else. I'm just being practical. I wish no ill will towards any anon, though I admit I sympathize much more with some than others.

>>15761228
>It's a pity party
fuck off boomer

>>15761228
>I'm just being practical

>>15761246
>>15761243
Naturally, the Gollums are on cue. Sorry, let me lather you in "frens." That's obviously the solution to all of your problems.

>>15761249
>Naturally, the Gollums are on cue. Sorry, let me lather you in "frens." That's obviously the solution to all of your problems

>>15761253
>onions becomes the guy that's not crying on the internet
This is a beautiful microcosm of cultural shifts.

Anyway, best of luck with everything, fren.

>>15761228
>I wish no ill will towards any anon, though I admit I sympathize much more with some than others.
why not just admit your hate desu

>>15761228
lmao kill yourself faggot

saved the title of the books y'all have mentioned. thank you

>>15761156
Thanks fren I honestly appreciate it.

>>15761272
I have no hate. That would be silly as you are all relative strangers. My life is going fairly well and good things are on the horizon, so I have no projection of self-hatred, either. Do I care if some dork who's always shitposting feels down? Not necessarily; he could be doing much more productive things that would help him feel better.
>>15761278
Not exactly the spirit, fren.

>>15761291
pls stop posting

>>15761306

>>15759240
Thanks for the kind words OP. I too feel a fraternal attachment to this place for some bizarre reason. I'm a zoomer with plenty of life ahead of me, but on a visceral level I feel like I've slipped through the cracks and greater society has become unreachable. I just want some close friends irl and a gf as well but I never make the attempt to reach out, i figure because it's pointless to even try. My parents went through a rough separation and my dad's a recovering alcoholic. But I can at least connect with literature, some of which has brought me to tears for how closely our struggles are entwined.

>>15761345
Oh hey man I’m you 5-7 years in the future. I’ve got a cushy corporate gig, 20k in the bank and very little to live for.

>>15761228
>>15761291
>"I'm just being practical"
>"he could be doing much more productive things"
Why are you in this thread exactly?

Why do threads like these always attract haters? Don't they have plenty of other places to be instead of a thread dedicated to niceness?

>>15759268
That pic is true praxis

>>15761424
To offer encouragement.
>>15761453
You're conflating hating with not mollycoddling—this is hazardous to your growth.

I truly do want to see all the genuinely good anons do well in life. Many of you are fine people. Please don't misinterpret my relatively stoic approach as malice.

>>15759240
fuck depression, fuck OP, and i love auntie butterfly

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15759240
good thread. God bless us all.

>>15759268
I don't have a view like that

>>15759742
So I’ve dabbled on 4chan here and there but am a redditfag or whatever. I have considered Moby Dick to be my favorite book for the past ten years after I read it all those years ago.

I saw a ranking this board did of top 100 books and was sort of shocked tjat Moby was #1 and my second fav book Karamazov was up there too.

No fucking person I’ve met in my life has read Moby Dick besides my friend who gave up on it so it was always this hidden piece of me I couldn’t really share with anyone. Not even my wife.

Like I could share that part of me I’ve kept to myself all these years. Like this piece of me came to shore and met a little town full of frogs. Frogs who appreciated a book that had impressed upon my soul for so long. Normally I wouldn’t think anything if this but the repression of something I love was much deeper than I thought. Like Moby Dick was my secret. My little Tahiti tucked away behind all the storms and darkness. Like it a piece of me that nobody understood. And yet here I am. Just a average dude with kids who I love and a sweet wife who tolerates my depression and finds reasons to love me and actually smile at me with smiling eyes.
“Nevertheless the sun hides not Virginia's Dismal Swamp, nor Rome's accursed Campagna, nor wide Sahara, nor all the millions of miles of deserts and of griefs beneath the moon. The sun hides not the ocean, which is the dark side of this earth, and which is two thirds of this earth. So, therefore, that mortal man who hath more of joy than sorrow in him,that mortal man cannot be true—not true, or undeveloped. With books the same. The truest of all men was the Man of Sorrows, and the truest of all books is Solomon's, and Ecclesiastes is the fine hammered steel of woe. "All is vanity." ALL. This wilful world hath not got hold of unchristian Solomon's wisdom yet. But he who dodges hospitals and jails, and walks fast crossing graveyards, and would rather talk of operas than hell; calls Cowper, Young, Pascal, Rousseau, poor devils all of sick men; and throughout a care-free lifetime swears by Rabelais as passing wise, and therefore jolly;—not that man is fitted to sit down on tomb-stones, and break the green damp mould with unfathomably wondrous Solomon.
But even Solomon, he says, "the man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain" (I.E., even while living) "in the congregation of the dead." Give not thyself up, then, to fire, lest it invert thee, deaden thee; as for the time it did me. There is a wisdom that is woe; but there is a woe that is madness. And there is a Catskill eagle in some souls that can alike dive down into the blackest gorges, and soar out of them again and become invisible in the sunny spaces. And even if he for ever flies within the gorge, that gorge is in the mountains; so that even in his lowest swoop the mountain eagle is still higher than other birds upon the plain, even though they soar.”

>>15759240
You sound like a faggot, but I agree. Fuck butterfly.

>>15762102
Good post fren. What is that passage from?

>>15762144
Chap 96 the tryworks bro. One of my favorites.

>>15759240
Turbo cringe and off-topic. SnR.

I want to die.

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15761083
Amen anon

>>15760422
SNEED

As autistic as some of you are, I can truly say that visiting /lit/ kept me sane a few years ago when I was too ill to write and had no one in my life who appreciated literature. Thanks, anons.

I even wrote a book for you fags and published it, but everyone keeps telling me not to associate myself with a Eurasian lepidoptery forum.

Based OP.
There are some good ones here.

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760728

>>15761083
Amen.

All that plus another fuck butterfly.
Peace fren

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15760976
I will pray for you and your mom bro.

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15759240
https://youtu.be/Wql_0fO25hI

>>15760976
My aunt die recently of coronavirus and her coffin had to be sealed in lead, we couldn't see her in her last moments, and we had to attend her funeral with masks. Part of the family couldn't be there and had to follow the religious office through the screen of a smartphone that my cousin was filming the ceremony with. All around an uncanny experience.

So I feel you bro, but keep in mind you would probably regret it if you couldn't see her go. Can she hear you? If yes I'm sure it's giving her a lot of relief.

>>15759240
Die faggot

>>15762747
What's your book called?

>goes back to shitpost

>>15759240
Are you ESL? If so your English is very good

>>15759240
You are a good fren

>>15760422
Jesus wasn't white you dumb fucking faggot

>>15760422
IGNORE

>>15759240
You're a good man Anon. God keep you.

>>15759240
Blessed and important thread

>>15759334
We can try to be friends anon. I'd like that. How would we go about it?

>>15759506
How do we dismantle or replace these constructs without pushing vulnerable anons into madness, self-denial or self-harm?

>>15759506
Unbelievable autism

>>15760422
SNEED

>>15759240
>fuck bitcherfly
Basé

I hope you all love a comfy life, god bless my dudes.

>>15759742
>>15759329
Years of depression and anxiety + have no friends + I will never be a great writer + I don't see any future where I'm happy/not depressed, the only possibility I think would be marriage and a kid because that would at least give me meaning and purpose and guilt me into not doing it (ie suicide) because I wouldn't want to leave them on their own but I havent had anything resembling a relationship in four years and im only getting older + romantic obsession with youth and the fact that I'm currently closer to 30 than 20 and haven't accomplished anything + desire to end it on my own terms rather than getting geriatric and being unable to care for myself + suicide seems like a good way to go

>>15763864
please don't do it.

>>15763864
this is literally the same situation as me.

I see no future, none. No idea where I am in 1 year, let alone 5. My ambition and job has given me nothing even with giving everything I can to make things work as my friends go right past me in life by getting married, having good income, living elsewhere.

Meanwhile I'm stuck, Ive been the same place, person, etc. for 6 years and I hate myself. I can't stop hating myself. Soon I'll be out of options, and I'll have to kill myself its the only way.

>>15760976
A friend of mine went through the exact same thing, she passed away recently and they couldn't give her a proper burial
Just remember none of this is permanent, some people just go sooner
You will go too and so will I and every fren here
Do it for her while you're here

>>15763985
You're stuck with the notion that your life should be a specific story, and the fact that it isn't is making you suffer
By understanding your suffering is ultimately self inflicted you will not get rid of it, but you will be able to understand it for what it is: a bunch of nothing

>>15764019
I know all of this, and I can't shake it. 10+ of this bullshit plaguing my mind and you can figure it all out but for some reason it just keeps coming back, especially when something even moderately catastrophic happens, its all just back to square one and rebuild.

Its a disgusting, vicious cycle and its impeded everything that is potential within me.

I think God hates me, and wants me to suffer.

>>15763864
Don't do it fren. I used to be in exactly the same position when I was your age (Years of depression and anxiety + have no friends + I will never be a great writer + I don't see any future where I'm happy/not depressed).
When I was 33 I decided to get some help and I managed to turn my life around. I'm now 37 and I just finished writing my first novel and am about to begin sending it to publishers. I'm also going to start college to do an Access course with the aim of becoming a counselor.
You can turn your life around fren. Just get some help and take it from there.

what a gay ass thread

>>15759240
Thank you for the kind words fren

>>15764031
Your reasoning is being clouded by your emotions
Unironically read the stoics fren
Also remember life is a process of attrition, it's about enduring time
Leading a happy life is better just because it makes enduring time a lot simpler, but happiness and sadness go through time just the same
Ie it's okay to be sad, it just takes you longer to get there

>>15761468
>hating with not mollycoddling
I think you're confusing not mollycoddling with something else. That something else isn't stoic as it requires you to post (in a way you know is going to stir up the majority of anons' feels, ) so what that something else contains is diametrically opposed to stoicism. It seems to mostly contain your need to condescend vociferously to the point you have more posts than most anons itt, and imagining yourself as a caring pedagogue despite direct feedback you're missing the point of the thread. People aren't misinterpreting your actions itt, you're just misinterpreting everything you do as more philosophically consistent than it is.

>>15763539
Thanks
>>15763565
Yeah I actually bought one of the. New iPhones so she can FaceTime me whenever and for as long as she wants. It’s not much but it’s much better than nothing. The thing that guts me is she wanted to take a trip to Europe with me, but she’s now too sick to travel. The whole things bad.
>>15764001
I try to tell her that, but the modern world tries as hard as it can to hide death from us. I’m okay with her dying, part of what makes it hard is that she feels like she’s letting me down by dying as I’m only 25.

>>15763565
Also I forgot to say sorry about your aunt I hope youre doing okay.
>>15764001
And sorry about your friend. Deaths never an easy thing but if only it was at a different time

>>15763864
>>15763985
1 Find girl
2 Talk to her
3 Kiss her
Things will be fine later. And if they won't... well. The world is wide and tall, full of horrors and wonders. Why would you leave without seeing at least few of them? Life is waiting friends. Start living. For reading try Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. It might be stupid comic but it is very wise book.
>>15764031
LET IT GO! I ORDER YOU IN THE NAME OF GOD AND MAN!

>>15763864
don't do it my guy, you've still got way more in you

>>15759240
people from lit are the worst, mostly insecure contrarians who are just here to piss on others and feel superior

>>15764136
>>15764153
Yeah it does seem pretty bad. It's sad about your trip, perhaps thinking of everything you do with her as a bonus that you came close to not having might help.
>Also I forgot to say sorry about your aunt I hope youre doing okay.
Yeah it's much better now thanks.

>>15764214
I think you're confusing /lit/ with reddit, anon

>>15762102
I love you fren

>>15763864
I say this to you and everyone else who has set some arbitrary deadline on becoming a published writer and / or successful person in general. You have to give that up. From shameful personal experience, simply rushing a piece of writing and having it published is likely to make you (as it has made me) deeply ashamed and regretful of putting yourself under so much pressure. It is better to find some sense of contentment independently of external validation, and then write from that place. Rather than leaving yourself forever vulnerable, on a self-esteem level, of being a "nothing / nobody" until an abstract number of people praise you and validate your neurosis and quixotic desire to be a "famous writer". Our age has placed so much emphasis on youth, yet removed many of the safeguards available to those who are actually young. Vincent van Gogh's earliest work was produced when he was 28 / 29, and his first noteable work did not appear until he was around 32. The same thing applies to many writers. Tobias Wolff wrote a novel at 30 and now deeply regrets ever having done so, John Edward Williams rushed a novel at the age of 26 and later regretted it and didn't write another until he was 38. If Dostoevsky had died before his late 30s, nobody would recall him as a genius for having written Poor Folk, White Nights, The Gambler and other of his earlier works. Allow life to hurt you, to wear you down, to humiliate you, to leave you longing for death, and only then will you be nourished to the extent required to write something honest and relatable to so many others who see the darkness in life, the misery, the torture of existence and who can tell when a book is simply covering these themes as a means of posing or romantic idealising. Allow suffering to destroy your illusions and pretensions. The benefit of this is that you will no longer worry about whether your writing is sincere, or even if people enjoy it, because you will know that the former is the case and will no longer be obliged to be anxious over the latter.