/lit/ - Literature

Just remember that Normies aren't people and have no souls.

>>15723241
t. class reductionist
go back to 20th century. modern socialism can only be intersectional

>>15723241
Modernity is going to make me off myself.

>>15723241
>huh I like what Marx did in the Manifesto so I'm just gonna say shit and not back it up and accept it as fact

>>15723215
Why don't you go cry about it more instead of reading a book?

>>15723215
That's not a new phenomenon. The general public was never a bunch of intellectuals thinking through their beliefs. The majority of the population will always be people who've had their opinions spoonfed to them

>>15723326
This, 99% of the human race are fucking retards.
That also includes everyone on this god forsaken board as well, just because your more 'well-read' than the average normie who doesn't give a shit about books doesn't mean you're not a retard too.

>>15723215
I love how they shit on the premise of /lit/ that abstract works drenched in their zeitgeist are in any way meaningfull in these times
>>15723241
you cant introduce leftism without solidarity with minorities, so this pic is unironically right.

Strasserism is and was a failure and cant work

>>15723326
>>15723376
It was usually more diverse though. Modernity is a march towards homogeneity in all things. Including centralising the opinion-setters and intellectual authority.

>>15723215
Who the fuck are those?

>>15723376
Then how does one become the 1% type of smart

Lemme guess big math like calculus or some shit

>>15723777
genetics

>>15723255
The acknowledgement of racial difference is an acknowledgement of evolutionary genetic competition that is incompatible with pluralism

>>15723777
Wise beats smart
>HURR DURR THERE ARE NO WISE PEOPLE
stfu nigga

>>15723215
Socrates, anon. And if you unironically think that. I'm sorry.

>>15723763
You are blessed beyong belief, stay pure and show us the way forward.

>>15723326
>>15723376
I can't describe how liberating it felt to stop watching e-celebs larping as intellectuals as a teen. I know this is mostly from an anectodal perspective, but the vast majority of people I know do not have the knowledge (or the "tools", so to speak), to think critically. This can be backed up with a bit of evidence, due to the fact that any course that teaches critical thinking to people is in post secondary institutions. I feel as if that critical thinking was mandatory to learn in school, that we would have a significant number of people acting less retarded in general. At the end of the day, I believe this knowledge is hidden away in plain sight for a reason. As long as a large amount of people do not possess the knowledge of critical thinking, the population will be easy to manipulate, as well as divide and conquer. I can't believe the number of times I see people conform to false dichotomies. It's sickening.

>>15723215

in the 1800s people would buy a newspaper that shared the same ideology as them, a newspaper that would never challenge their beliefs

>>15723215
not even normies know or care about these absolute nobodies

>>15723812
Very well then, I guess the only way forward is applying Deleuze-Guattari's concepts

>>15723376
Anyone else /1%/?

>>15723801
The how do you become wise?

https://streamable.com/i4znp4

>>15724041
>sucking and fucking since I was 14
god shit like this is fucking depressing

>>15723215
The guy in the beanie is so disgusting to look at and hear, I wish Destiny would just burn his bridge with him so I can never know about his existence again.

Eumeswil.

>>15723777
It's not strictly a matter of intelligence. There are many paths to higher levels of free thinking and less ideology parroting. Not all paths are virtuous or have guaranteed desirable outcomes. Contrarianism can help, nihilism can help, fanaticism, delusion, mental illness and narcissism as well. Very low IQ with a rebellious streak can get there too. Essentially any mix of behaviors and beliefs that create the conditions for being an outcast. Not that there is any inherent value or virtue in isolation. It's a shoddy analogy but I would compare it to genetic mutation. Outcasts are like a mutation of the social genome. Most are silent and benign, some are fatal, some disadvantageous, and some advantageous.

>>15724087
People here actually fucking watch twitch streamers?

>>15723763
Vaush, Destiny and some other dude.

>>15724206
Yeah, I like listening to them "debate" makes for some good comedy in between reading.

>>15723777
>big math like calculus
ngmi

>>15724077
and they all agreed and finished eachother's sentence. very nice.

>y dont kids read philosophy abloobloo
unless you were raised in an environment where philosophy was forced onto you by your teachers or parents, I don't know how you can consider yourself "more enlightened" for rejecting common sense and indulging yourself in personal madness. I read philosophy too (I don't really read anything else except the dumbass threads on this site) but I don't pretend it makes me better than other people. philosophers have ultimately been responsible for some of the worst regimes in world history. philosophers aren't meant to be listened to and obeyed, they are simply there to ask questions that are difficult to answer. using them as a framework for your ideology is nothing short of reckless.

>>15723255
which is why "modern socialism" is a complete and utter failure

>>15724041
Who is this lost soul?

>>15723215
Who si the third guy on the pic?
Althype already destroyed the other two

>>15724319
Is this the guy who did that "European revolution" video? Pretty cringe how he started frothing at the mouth and making wild assertions without sufficient evidence to substantiate them about halfway through.
And that's the video he chose to represent his channel.

>>15724220
>in between reading.

>>15724027
By facing your fears and creating new cognitions

Destiny is legit smarter than anyone on /lit/

>>15724426
>gets trolled hard by Mr Metokur
>smart

>>15724347
that's because he's a retard who frequently cites papers and studies that contradict the conclusions he draws from them.

>>15724461
>frequently cites papers and studies that contradict the conclusions he draws from them
Are we talking about Shaun?

>>15723215

>>15724461
So, typical "red pilled" dweeb. Got it.

>>15724461
He BTFO Kraut and Tea so hard he quit YouTube for a short time

>>15724470
Imagine how mentally ill and lonely you have to be to work on a /pol/infographic, that tells you why not to watch any channel
who might btfo any right wing "intelectuals",
or even post it on /lit/.
I hope you find the help you need anon.

>>15724494
Imagine simping this hard for a bunch of overoscialized champagne socialist grifters
Fucking embarrassing

>>15724470
Where's Philosophy Tube

>>15724470
This is pretty based, but all political e-celebs deserve something like this, not just the lefty ones

>>15724093
Eumeswil is the only sensible responses to modernity, really... Yarvin has also mentioned this recently

>>15723215
Who?

>>15723255
Based bait or based retard
Either way, based.

>>15723241
>>15723255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7NkILyjV2g

>>15724470
Put replace TJ with Fantano, and it would be perfect.

>>15724484
that was jim, althype had little do do with it.

These people are just a reminder that McLuhan and Postman were right and that we should have listened.

>>15724041
Very depressing...

>>15724461
Can you give an example of this? I think Alt Hype seems like a smart guy, so I'd be surprised if he did this

Did this Vaush guy ever respond to the Ryan Faulk vid?

>>15724347
What did he actually get wrong? It should be obvious that society exerts selection pressure on the people that populate it.

>>15724888
Wtf I love Marx now. Also nice dubs! Quite fitting given the subject matter.

>>15724109
Are you saying that being a loner/antisocial inspires more intelligent thought?

Books about this?

>>15724973
>Can you give an example of this?
most obvious to me would be the Althype graph about "whites make, non-whites take" which counts the entire US military budget towards welfare cost which is ridiculous and also claims tax contributions evenly among all whites even though the top 10% pay 95% of the white tax burden, meaning overall a welfare user is only "taking" from about 10% of rich whites at best.

Also the study about racial diversity stopping social cohesion. Not sure if Alt has ever cited this, but the paper very clearly states it is not meant as a criticism of multi-racial society and suggest many other solutions for improving social cohesion like more community events, town halls, tax codes so everyone goes to the same schools, etc.

>mindwaves
weird choice, vaush and destiny for sure tho.

>>15725422
>the paper very clearly states it is not meant as a criticism of multi-racial society and suggest many other solutions for improving social cohesion like more community events, town halls, tax codes so everyone goes to the same schools,
the paper may suggest that but that doesn't mean that's the conclusion that should be taken from the actual evidence. It's not like the guy is going to start fucking sieg heiling in academia

The Twitch audience is 90% children, no adults listen to these people.

>>15725452
if you read a paper and come to a different conclusion from its authors, you are objectively contradicting the paper's conclusion. They asked for examples, I delivered.

almost every nazi who tries to use science hits this wall, even the race and IQ papers say "please don't interpret this as saying blacks are bad/inferior" and nazis proceed to do exactly that every time.

>>15725422
both these criticisms you make here are shameful mental gymnastics and misrepresentations that don't address the substance of the argument, yet another confirmation that leftists are subhumans

>>15724426
He knows a couple of tricks that work against people who actually argue in good faith, that's it though. He constantly talks about thing he does not understand at all as if he does.

>>15725431
Yeah, it would have made more sense to put Hasan. Mindwaves is just an orbiter andy.

>>15725501
A vague suggestion of possible solutions that have no evidence of working is absolutely not the conclusion of the paper. The conclusion of the paper is the finding that multi-racial societies as studied have various problems.

Gorgias (plato)

>>15725522
>The conclusion of the paper is the finding that multi-racial societies as studied have various problems
you could say that. However with that logic, to claim that the paper recommends segregation or ending multi-culturalism is not true. If we accept that the only "conclusion" is the analysis of data collected, not what the author recommends to fix it, than the paper has no conclusive recommendations of any kind: it does not suggest segregation or more cohesive tax codes or town halls.

So you could say the paper concludes current multi-racial society has problems, but you could not say the paper scientifically proves segregation is needed or that multiculturalism "does not work" since it did not comprehensively review every possible kind of multi-racial society or every possible solution. It only reviewed modern American civil society in one city "as is" and made no policy suggestion.

>>15725582
Brother, assuming you're referring to Putnam's work, who cares what solutions he considers most reconcilable with his beliefs?

The data finds that ethnic cohesion is a factor in how functional a society is This is corroborated by Woodley Bell 2012, which looked at the ethnic conflict's effect on various indices of political liberalism.

Noone finds this concept confusing until we're talking about domestic Western issues. Indeed, a common talking point in postcolonial leftist history is that ethnic violence in Africa or India was caused by the colonial powers redrawing borders along lines that bore no relation to the native cultural boundaries.

>>15725582
>you could not say the paper scientifically proves segregation is needed or that multiculturalism "does not work"
Of course you can't, social sciences could never say something like that anyway, it's too complicated and impossible to run experiments. It's still evidence that multicult causes conflict, which is on the face of it so obvious a concept it's only through propaganda efforts that this surprises anybody.

Multicult might not be impossible but it's always going to involve conflict.

I'm tired of the internet. I should just go into monkmode already.

The higher the coefficient of relationship in a community, the higher the social cohesion within it (ceteris paribus). This is a mathematical reality that holds for all organisms, we don't need sociologists to hold randomized double-blind experiments that control for conditional independence to prove this

>>15725736
Those good times when there weren't societal conflict. Then came multiculturalism...

>>15725852
yes societies always have conflicts, so you may as well not add more fucking reasons for it

>>15725705
>The data finds that ethnic cohesion is a factor in how functional a society is
I don't think anyone would disagree (assuming you mean in america or other multi-racial countries). This is a much broader statement than you seem to think and totally disconnected from the moral claims of ethnic nationalism. Just saying "its a factor" is so vague its barely a position. many forms of cohesion can help or hurt society.

>ethnic violence in Africa or India was caused by the colonial powers redrawing borders
which made sense because the original territory was multiple ethnic groups held together by a non-democratic colonial power. It does not make any sense to apply postcolonial logic to america, a country where none of the ethnic groups are native, unless your argument is ceding texas back to mexico or wyoming to the sioux nation or something.

>>15725736
> It's still evidence that multicult causes conflict,
no only evidence of conflict in multi cult in the current form, as proven by the phrase: "multi-racial societies as studied" as studied is hiding a massive concession that just because you looked at one urban area in one place you can make a huge generalization about many types of social order. this is why arguing about the semantics of the Putnam study is pointless, it is never going to prove the thing you claim it proves

>>15724041
good thing adam didn't settle down with her.

>>15723255
The only thing intersectional should be a bullet through your skull trannoid

>>15724973
>Our evidence for clustering should not be taken as evidence of our support of any particular concept of “biological race.” In general, representations of human genetic diversity are evaluated based on their ability to facilitate further research into such topics as human evolutionary history and the identification of medically important genotypes that vary in frequency across populations. Both clines and clusters are among the constructs that meet this standard of usefulness: for example, clines of allele frequency variation have proven important for inference about the genetic history of Europe [15], and clusters have been shown to be valuable for avoidance of the false positive associations that result from population structure in genetic association studies [16]. The arguments about the existence or nonexistence of “biological races” in the absence of a specific context are largely orthogonal to the question of scientific utility, and they should not obscure the fact that, ultimately, the primary goals for studies of genetic variation in humans are to make inferences about human evolutionary history, human biology, and the genetic causes of disease.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1310579/
Just one of the studies that this dude misinterprets.

>>15724041
Thought she was talking about her IQ at first

>>15724470
Based
>>15724552
Agreed. E-celebs become even more cancerous when politics are involved.

>>15724484
K&T got BTFO'd by Metokur and his own gay ops autism against the aut-right.

>>15726047
God leftists are so fucking boring. You're so worthless, why do you have to talk, just whine about black bodies and stop pretending you ever had anything of value to say. Jerk off some more to socioeconomic status and be agreeable but stop pretending
>Our evidence for clustering should not be taken as evidence of our support of any particular concept of “biological race.”
We have as much "evidence" for human races as we have "evidence" for polar bears and grizzly bears being different. You're not talking about science, you're not talking about taxonomy, you're not doing about anything but signaling

>>15723215
What are those?

>>15725508
>shameful mental gymnastics
Nonsense. Stop being intellectually lazy and dishonest, or go do something you can do like break rocks.

>>15724250
>philosophers have ultimately been responsible for some of the worst regimes in world history.
LOL

shut the fuck up midwit

>>15723215
Destiny doesn't really bother me. Not sure who the dude on the right is. The fat fuck on the left with his goblina REALLY fucking bothers me. His face is very punchable. MY DUDE

>>15726300
I agree he's punchable, but I still like to see him dab on r*ghtoids. It's sad how so many people are so afraid to debate him.

>>15725422
> also claims tax contributions evenly among all whites even though the top 10% pay 95% of the white tax burden
Whoa, so you're telling me that if you conceive of a political group of whites who have a certain historical guilt and racial privileges and should "pay up" then you also have to see them as a coherent group of "makers"? No way, I thought you could just pick and choose when whites exist and when they're a wildly different group of people who should feel no allegiance towards each other. How is anyone but skull-fucked leftists impressed by this rhetoric?

>>15724426
>interlocutor goes on tangent about history
>Destiny complains about him going on a tangent about actually important things that appear superficially unrelated because they're likely to make his audience uninterested

>Destiny goes on a million tangents, but he talks at 100 words/minute so it doesn't appear like he's dragging the debate down

Master debater and another word are very similar, and both are applicable in this situation. Plus, being a good debater doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're witty, or quick enough to fool your audience into thinking you've won (usually via Destiny gish gallop and pilpul) .

>>15723215
I dropped Vaush when he called Krystal Ball a Nazi without any trace of irony, but I should have dropped him way before that.

>>15724426
Ben Shapiro would probably beat me in a debate, doesn't mean anything but simply that. He's a stand-in for an audience who prefers performance over solid arguments, facts or valuable models. His debate with Althype went as predicted, a guy who skims wikipedia articles can't really do much but trounce midwits with established dogma
Ben Shapiro is also less embarrassing because at least his audience isn't impressed by "their guy" getting laid, as if this reflects positively on them.

>>15725912
Why? Why does postcolonial logic not apply to 21st century America?

No human being is native to America, and besides, the indigenous peoples had the exact same wars over resources we do now. The reason we had such an easy time taking over this continent and others was playing favorites in existing tribal conflicts. The lines you draw between our society and various indigenous peoples are arbitrary.

Of course ethnicity is only one source of conflict among many. Who cares? It's a big one.

You insist that even though all literature on the subject points to a relationship between diversity and negative trends in communal life, that that doesn't mean some hypothetical future society would have these problems. Why? What's gonna change?

>>15726047
>The arguments about the existence or nonexistence of “biological races” in the absence of a specific context are largely orthogonal to the question of scientific utility, and they should not obscure the fact that, ultimately, the primary goals for studies of genetic variation in humans are to make inferences about human evolutionary history, human biology, and the genetic causes of disease

Therefore, there is no biological race, right? No, it's just that one individual holds the belief that the goals of this monolith-science he supposedly represents are orthogonal to the existence or nonexistence of a biological race. A cop out based on "standards of usefulness" to avoid uncomfortable implications. And if you disagree with their soft speaking, they'll pull out the big stick of "science-denier" (translation: heretic).

>>15723215
Who?

>>15726373
why are you attacking me for answering the question and showing what studies were misused?

>>15726462
>he indigenous peoples had the exact same wars over resources we do now
having internal wars vs no wars is not what establishes someone as indigenous to an area lol

>The lines you draw between our society and various indigenous peoples are arbitrary.
than why are you asking me to treat a modern nation like british india or the middle east if you don't want borders decided by ethnic group?

>Why does postcolonial logic not apply to 21st century America?
postcolonial race theory is literally what created the white guilt and black bodies traumatized by the legacy of white supremacy stuff. I don't support those theories. You're saying you like them?

>You insist that even though all literature on the subject points to a relationship between diversity and negative trends in communal life
no I simply "insist" that people who quote the study understand that it is only an analysis of the current situation and is in no way an indictment of the concept of multi-racial society, since there are plenty of other ways to effect social cohesion that are not segregation.

That is like saying you painted the living room the wrong color so now you have no choice but to burn the entire house down and build a new one. There's less dramatic options. People who use the study as a way to "prove" other options don't work (alt hype) are not using it properly. Especially since the study's own authors offer less dramatic solutions as I already said.

>>15726598
Obviously nobody should support anti-white academic theories like postcolonialist history. The point in referencing them was to point out that inherent to the idea that whites can steal someone's land, that there is any difference between a white society here or in Europe, is the idea that a people, indians in this case, can have a collective right to their homeland at all, a right to control boundaries of their society.

If you believe this is the case, what about White apathy to foreigners is confusing to you? If segregation is going to far, is your solution simply that nothing be done? This is what leftists generally say, I assume it's true of you.

Class-conscious leftists often say that ethnic conflict is an invention of capitalism, or at least a superficial wound kept open by capitalists, intended to keep workers divided. There are two problems: one is that those ethnic boundaries predate capitalism and multicultural society. Saying worker infighting causes race conflict is like saying earthquakes cause faultlines. The second is that race-conscious movements of the past were consistently powered by working-class natives. This was true of the Know-Nothings, fighting the influx godless Papist hordes, and it's true now. Anti-racism is an upper-class WASP past time, from abolition on forward.

Race conflict is not a spook, it is a real division that makes collective organization impossible as a byproduct. It is as real in social terms as the division between capitalist and wage slave, and it is much more viscerally real at the biological, psychological level.

>>15724461

Lel, no. Leftist do this trick all the time though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoUGlzqY9_I&list=LLJbi8nkHiCA-y_QSYBDBhEA

>>15726784

Also, the suggestions of interpretations that an author give regarding his own data sets in an article or a book are not inherently in a privileged position vs other interpretations. You might say that an author is probably going to be more knowledgeable regarding his own data vs others, so he's probably going to give better interpretations, but he has no other advantages. An author might offer a completely retarded interpretation of his own data either by mistake or willfully ; this is especially common when it comes to sensitive subject for academia like black crime, racial genetics or IQ because it allow them to maintain scientific objectivity when it comes to data creation and collection but also not get fired for saying wrongthink because they offered the morally correct interpretation. That some dude's paper states in the abstract or in the conclusion that his results shouldn't be used as munitions, say, for arguments against multi-racial societies, is not a refutation of some dude's other interpretation of the data.

>>15723215
You need no book. Anyone with any intellectual ability and critical thinking will be able to eventually see through the morass of 'getting owned' culture and actually engage with ideas and thoughts. Entertainment intellectuals are desperate for views and will essentially repackage what they sell. Their usual viewer will see what they expect and through social conditioning and reinforcement just go "Yes!! Exactly right!!!" and move on because they got their tribal dopamine hit. I was like that, but I saw through it, I presume you have too.

>>15723815
Is right.

You don't need a book because the system has always been a net for idiots and pseuds. Count yourself lucky among the clear-eyed, but tread carefully.

>>15724426
woah destiny is pretty based he wants to carpet bomb mexico

>>15724426
He's a garden variety centrist. He doesn't know anything beyond a short Wikipedia skim, he looks at the world and sees nothing but surface.

>>15726292
cope, pseud.

>>15726742
>Race conflict is not a spook, it is a real division
I never said it was. All I said is that taking 1 study from 1 specific time and place does not prove that inter-racial cooperation is impossible in any configuration like a lot of people who cite the study seem to think. Alt hype is misusing data to draw wild conclusions not supported by the facts. That is and has been my main point.

All these attempts to try and suck me into a debate about "what do leftists believe" "racism predates America" its all immaterial and has nothing to do with my point. In fact, maybe white people are the master race and race war is coming next week for real this time (like it has been for the past 30 years according to nazis who never seem to tire of frothing at the mouth about it). It still would not change the fact that alt hype and other nazis lie when they say this study predicts all racial cooperation will fail. And because nazis lie about this study and many other topics, I am comfortable saying I do not believe them and you are a fool for getting obsessed with race hierarchy pseudoscience garbage

>>15723376
>your more
You're

>>15727276
No, at worst it will just look like Brazil with explicit racial conflict at the bottom and implicit at the top. Not bad enough to start a war, not good enough to make anyone seriously believe post-ww2 myths about equality and liberty.
>this study predicts all racial cooperation will fail
It will fail if you have a rudimentary understanding of game theory. Ethnic agnosticism is always a loser in the face of ethnopolitics. In this case it's the color coalition of the left that will win because they feel justified in their mobilization along ethnic lines
>race hierarchy pseudoscience garbage
Spout some more useless platitudes, it's all you can do