/lit/ - Literature

>>15715081
I deleted all my social media after graduating high school, and I look down on anyone who hasn't followed suit.

>>15715081
I don't blame social media. I blame smart phones. I deleted my social media too.

I think the problem is, that social media is bad, but smart phones have made it so accessible that it's become a societal level problem. When people can walk around with a box in their pocket that gives them immediate social gratification, it's just bad. As soon as you're in anything less than that socially gratifying situation, people whip out their smart phones for that dose of dopamine.

>>15715140
Why should anyone give a shit what you think?

>Boohoo! We no longer live in a simpler time where a monolithic mass media can dictate everything and everything was black and white apple pie, and no one had strange opinions!

>>15715140
I have never had a facebook or twitter account and I pity anyone who ever has

>>15715081
>Posting this while on 4chan
Oh the ironing

>>15715175

Shut the fuck up.

>>15715175
Typical Social Media Addict “shit poster”

>>15715181
Lulz, I knew this post would pop up before I posted. There is a difference tho.

>>15715175
Because I'm certified BASED and you're a six piece chicken McNobody.

>>15715081
Addiction and moderation policies are arguably the biggest issues to think about

>>15715180
Oh, yea? Why didn't you get one before people realized how insidious social media is?

The only reason i haven't an hero'd yet is because i'm too curious to see the outcome of this social media experiement. Imagine when zoomers hit the market and start holding critical positions in society

>>15715222
I was thinking, what if they just made people pay for social media? With addiction and moderation policies, how do you think they should go about that. Say, you were in a car accident because you were on Facebook or some other social media platform, and they were able to tell you were on it. Should you be court ordered to go to a Class like AA. Maybe Social Media Anonymous? And I also wanted to say one more thing, maybe it’s just a new technology and it won’t be for a while till people start handling it better.

>>15715252
You can't really regulate it. Silicon valley is running in circles around congress boomers. It's a lost battle. Dumb faggots will continue using social media and get even dumber

>>15715290
Yes, I agree. My gf is glued to her screen. She uses it while driving, cooking/eating dinner, while we watch a movie, before she falls asleep, as soon as she wakes up, it turns every day activities into hell. I told her how I felt about it and then broke up with her. She flipped out and started telling me “your 4chan is the same thing you hypocrite”. She says since I didn’t argue back that “I know I’m right and you are in the wrong”. Guess what, most people believe they NEED to get married and NEED to have kids. I’m pretty sure they are all wrong.

>>15715081
The endless barrage of useless content makes your brain dumb. The dopamine rush that you get from getting "likes" and having your followers grow will literally take a toll on your mental health and make your whole existance miserable. The happiness others try to convey on social media (which is, of course, fake) will make you feel like shit about yourself.

It's just not worth it. If you have friends, you can talk to them elsewhere. You can email them, you can give them a call. Being on social media really only makes you miserable and a sheep for companies to run you personalized ads. It's dumb.

>>15715324
OP here, and this is all very true. Just recently I was talking to a buddy of mine, in person, about social media. The very next time we talked he told me about how awesome it’s been since he deleted his social media accounts. There is hope out there!

>want to delete snapchat, never use it anyway
>friends/family still send me occasional things though

Should I delete it anyway brehs?

>>15715081
>>15715140
>still posting on a social medium
baka my head

>>15715390
4chan is not social media, because it retains an anonymous status for the poster.

>>15715383
Listen, Not all social media users are addicted and small increments of it isn’t bad as long as it is not controlling your life, keep it. If it’s becoming habitual, please, delete it!

>>15715383
I never really considered Snapchat the same as other social media. My friends and I have only ever used it as a novel form of communication.

>>15715401
This is fact. So it’s not like I’m getting a dopamine rush from all the likes I’m getting from all the anons. M

My dad died from his social media addiction. He was playing on Facebook one day while driving and BOOM succumbed to cancer. Fuck Donald trump

>>15715401
(You)’re wrong

>>15715180
I've never even been on the internet or used a telephone or learned to read or breathed oxygen and I pity anyone who ever has

>>15715420
>>15715428
I can tell you've been on 4chan for less than 3 years.

>>15715173
I have this theory in the works about smart phone cameras and how it divides us and creates mistrust. Basically smartphones distract us and we turn on each other inside of working towards a bigger goal. It’s definitely class-related. Anyone see what I mean or am I full of shit?

>>15715441
Imageboards aren’t that different from social media just because there’s less of a focus on the individual poster. Plenty of people post purely for discourse or shitposting reasons. Threads are made for entertaining certain and relatable thoughts on the regular, and there’s even a few threads on /lit/ that fit the bill.

>>15715465
Wouldn’t the use of smartphone cameras to document police brutality be an example of them unifying class?

>>15715468
4chan is the equivalent of having an honest conversation with a stranger, and shares very few similarities to mainstream social media.

>>15715465
I can see how camera accessibility would be a propagating factor for vanity, and how that could become a class issue, but I think I'd need to read more to be on-board with your proposition. I'm more of the mindset than instantaneous and unparalleled access to escapism is bad.

>>15715211
Care to expand anon?

>>15715441
So 16 years ago, when you jumped on or started using 4Chan, you said to yourself. This is a real cool Social Media Platform!? Did you edit your profile with a bunch of personal information, and add a ton of friends and photos to brag about your life? Oh wait, you didn’t, because this isn’t a social media platform at all.

>>15715486
How do you view conversations with people steeped in irony? Are they just being honest in not taking you seriously?

>>15715508
>Oh wait, you didn’t, because this isn’t a social media platform at all.
Yes, that is what I stated.

>>15715508
What do you think people do on imageboards and forums? Not socialize?

>>15715513
Their expression of irony is the most honest they've been with themselves and others in their entire lives.

>>15715532
Profound

>>15715529
Here's a standard measurement for whether a site is social media or not. Do you have to assign yourself a unique user name/profile before carrying out discussion? If not, then that site is not social media.

>>15715513
4chan is not very ironic though. In fact it helped pioneer internet post-irony, in which it is impossible to tell and largely irrelevant whether a post is sincere or not. The entire idea of sincerity barely makes sense on a platform where the post could either honest or satire and there is no way to know. People constantly adopt positions on here it's clear they don't even know if they believe themselves, they're just arguing out the logic of some mental pathway. And when an anon probably is baiting it still doesn't matter, because other anons will just use the post as a pretext to talk about the subject sincerely, or vice versa.

>>15715554
>Do you have to assign yourself a unique user name/profile before carrying out discussion? If not, then that site is not social media.
You’re assigned one that you can change. Removing the requirement just makes it easier to participate.

>>15715500
The difference between 4Chan and Twitter/Facebook/Instagram is that the individual who uses those platforms is being part of an Algorithm by giving out their personal information. While using Chan, we don’t get sucked into these algorithms which help pop up Personal Ads Which manipulate and basically take away our free will you think for ourselves. On 4chan, it’s an anonymous image board where we are not looking for building a personal ego but have conversations about personal interests. People are puppets to social media, social media decides what you like/hate, how to dress, what to eat, how to feel, how to think. Sure you can find some similarity’s to 4chan and social media platforms. I’m certain you can see the differences between them.

>>15715581
>You’re assigned one that you can change.
No?

>>15715590
Hello?

>>15715571
>4chan is not very ironic though. In fact it helped pioneer internet post-irony, in which it is impossible to tell and largely irrelevant whether a post is sincere or not.
This is only true for the current phase of 4chan. 8 to 10 years ago the humor was primarily ironic. Prior to that it was sincere. I've been here since 2006 and the current style of humor is quite different now has has changed markedly over the years.

>>15715611
I was here 9 years ago, mostly over on /mu/ and I couldn't tell then either whether people were being sincere or not. I went on /b/ a little bit in like 2008/9 and I remember it being sort of like that as well, but my memory is a lot hazier of then.

>>15715630
I use to enjoy /b/ back in 2006-08. It’s a whole different ball game now.

>>15715140
I did that too but I hear that people think you're hiding something or weird if you don't have any
Even if I don't care what people think the stigma is still there

>>15715630
The ironic period had memes such as trollface, >mfw (not >tfw which is post-ironic), >implying, etc. The sincere period before that was lots of anime related shit like over 9000, shoop da whoop, desu (not the wordfilter but suiseiseki), nigger jokes, etc.

>>15715651
Lol, hiding something? “Hey man, I see you don’t have all your personal information on the internet for the world to see and pass judgment on! What’s the matter with you?”

>>15715658
Nazi memes were popular too in the old days, but in a non-political way.

>>15715081
I don’t think the posters ITT understand the severity of the dangers of social media. The biggest problem isn’t “addiction” or anything like that. Social Media literally scrambles your brain and turns you into a surrogate-like pod person. All experiences only happen if they’re posted about on your social media. Your “friends” are just accounts from people you haven’t seen in the past decade. Everything that you think about is programming from the mass media, which has trickled down your news feed that day. All your thoughts and opinions resemble the hivemind. Not no mention, you live in the past, stalking profiles of your ex-gf and looking at high school crushes. It’s like a Funhouse. Get off Facebook.

>>15715683
OP here, and this is very well put! But, the addiction behavior is a real thing. People CAN NOT put their phones down for the life of them. It’s an issue.

The most practical reason to not use social media is personal safety. If you were using the internet in the 90s and early 2000s, you were undoubtedly told the following: DO NOT PUT ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION ONLINE. Don't say anything under your real name, don't post pictures of yourself, your friends, or your family, etc. etc. Anyone can read it and they can use it for nefarious purposes. But people have ignored this and now they're facing the consequences of it. Zoomers probably don't even know that people used to feel this way about the internet because they're grown up surrounded by this shit. THE INTERNET IS NOT A SAFE PLACE. Get it through your fucking head and behave appropriately.

>>15715666
they're just like "oh anon you're so paranoid who cares if they see what you do if you have nothing to hide"

>>15715651
>associating with normie NPCs
ISHYGDDT

>>15715743
it's getting tough out here

>>15715716
Lolgasim! “Anon, have you not ate in months? I haven’t seen you post a single meal? I think something is wrong with you! You racist piece of shit!”

>>15715759
Jesus this is hilarious and terrifying

>We're impressed by your resume and your performance in the third round of interviews and we're seriously considering making you a part of the team. As a final precaution we'll need links to all of your social media accounts for HR to review.

>>15716082
I don’t have any

>>15716093
They're just gonna think you deleted the Instagram with the keg stands from college, and the Twitter account with the peepee frog avatar. You can't win.

>>15716093
He didn’t make public posts in support of BLM? He must be a Nazi.

>>15716093
>Hmm... we've never encountered this situation before. Give me a minute to confer with HR privately.
>Stacey, he says that he doesn't have any social media accounts. I'm not sure how to address this.
>Oh wow, that's a new one. Our diversity handbook doesn't address this.
>What kind of person doesn't have a social media account? Is he some kind of serial killer?
>It's bizarre, that's for sure. Is he white?
>Yes.
>I recommend going with a different applicant. Tell him that we'll get back to him but never call, okay?

>>15716116
>>15716127
Fortunately I’m not white, so I really only have to worry about doing extra work for no pay

>>15716131
That's why you need grey man accounts. Just a few good pics here and there to keep up appearances. Insta is enough, no need for Twitter or Facebook.

>>15715081
Imagine needing a book to tell you this. If you need this book its too late for you

>>15715419
>>15715383
snapchats more like texting anon, i'd keep it, that's my only "social media" since I deleted Facebook. So glad I don't have to read through what all those chodes are constantly doing.

>>15715383
You may as well start cutting yourself, it is as useful and as meaningful.

>>15715667
Yeah and I hate how the new-school /pol/ faggots who came here in 2016 think that meant that 4chan was always a white supremacist hub, completely ignoring the fact that /b/ would raid stormfront and similar communities on the regular

>>15717092
kys nigger

>>15716082
>As a final precaution we'll need links to all of your social media accounts for HR to review.
I wonder - do some companies actually do this? It seems positively dystopian.

>>15717092
/new/ (not /pol/) when it existed was I think a legitimate development. Modern /pol/ is different and comes from an influx of people from reddit, etc during the 2016 elections. Old 4chan was apolitical and made fun of niggers and faggots because it was funny. Current pro-censorship leftists (or as people would say back then, moralfags) certainly have no ancestor here.

>>15717169
>moralfags
the almost total decline of this term is very telling. /pol/ are mostly all moralfags now. /tv/ is probably the least moralfag board

>>15717181
I agree. /new/ was not a moralfag board and thus was completely different from current /pol/. /lit/ is full of moralfags too now. If you even use the term people will call you edgy, lol.

>>15717181
Also the entire ending -fag has been on the decline for a long time. Newfag is rare, normalfag (though this is a later term) is almost entirely replaced by normie, etc

>>15717169
>>15717181
Basically 4chan grew up (not in a good sense, but its population got literally older).

>>15717169
>>15717203
>/new/
The old Ron Paul memes finally came true.

>>15717272
I wonder if that's true. It would depend on what percentage of posters have actually been here for a substantial period of time. I get the impression that most posters are early 20s or younger with people like me being a minority.

There's several issues with social media but most major one is that it gives a platform to stupidity. It multiplies it. Dumb people don't deserve a voice. Take a gander at any social media, any comments section. It's as shocking as it is instructive. So many people are so wrong about so many things. And then you see all the likes! The only thing to be gained by social media is to help gauge how wrong everybody is about a particular topic. Twitter is particularly unsettling because the average poster there thinks they're smart. Angry stupid people can reach other angry stupid people all over the world and create a whirlpool of angry and stupid that sucks everything in and brings everyone down.

hourly reminder that 4chan is social media

>>15715401
It is

>>15715441
I can tell that you are a fucking newfag

>>15715508
You can check definition of socializing

>>15715590
Hi, you seem to be new on this social site! Your default nickname is anonymous, you can use tripcode to use your "own" nickname!

>>15717542
Eh, no it isn't

>>15715529
I don’t view imageboards as socialization. I don’t even think I’m talking to real people most of the time. You exist for my benefit alone

>>15715420
(You)

>>15715175
He didnt say you should.

>>15717169
I Think specifically its moralfags that are the problem. /pol/ and associated ilk, even its oposition, are all products of moralfaggotry.

>>15715081
The way I feel about this meme is the same way I feel when I see fat people
Super easy way to improve your life that I don't have access to because it's just not an issue in the first place

>>15718205
Based solipsistic poster

>>15718205
Don't worry. I'm not real

>>15715081
>some faggot made money off a movement I started first
gdi. i deleted facebook before i even HAD a smartphone.
>>15715313
>She uses it while driving
>willing to murder an innocent person because can't be without her faggoty dopamine hit for 10 minutes
you should have killed her.

>>15717132
yes. "cultural fit' was allowed to be a metric of judgement for employment without challenge. so instead of hiring whoever is qualified, these HR whores are allowed to pick their buddy buddy types and discriminate against people they don't like. if you dont have normalfaggot interests like watching The Office or wahtever the TV series of the season is, sportsball, celebrity worship, woke twitter, and other bullshit, you'll be deprived of the chance to put bread on your table. they would murder a man for not watching the same television as they do.

normalfaggots need extermination. and i'm not joking.

>>15715081
Social media is a symptom.

>>15716201
No. I didn’t need the book. I haven’t had a social media account for years. Just like to read about things of interests.

>>15718205
I'm glad that you(we) realized that this is just one of schizophrenic episodes

>>15715081
>tfw skinnyfat
>tfw used to be moderately /fit/
>tfw all i ever do is drink, everyone around me drinks
im losing my sanity and my health

>>15715175
>Why should anyone give a shit what you think?
Where did he say that?
Socialmedia users ONLY care about what others think. Look at your post, you assume he is saying he considers those who use socialmedia to be socially 'bad/lesser', instead of just stating his view on the quality of others independent of social machinations, and you prod him to check if he is high-status enough to have the power to make others socially bad/lesser for not submitting to his view (if he does you would believe his post fanatically).

https://youtu.be/hIXhnWUmMvw

Yes. The internet as a whole is mind poison and we need to be restricted to only 1 hour of it a day.

Try opening a box for the first time in your life. Chances are you already opened a box before, but try to imagine you never opened a box before in your life. You open it up to find that inside of it is a whole lot of space that needs to be defined. So you try to figure it all out by opening up the box. But that's where you went wrong.

Twitter is the worst social media ever.
People post so much dumb shit over there it's truly incredible.

Steam counts as social media, but you guys all stopped playing games in high school... Right?

>>15721763
im skinn y fat and havent been sobered in a month

Currently reading pic related. Although the author may be something of a leftist it is reasonably compelling and makes you realise how disempowering the social industry is to people who feel like they are gaining something from their participation.

>>15715081
I deleted my Facebook recently. I should probably delete my Snapchat too. I have a tendency to get very drunk and start shit on social media, and it is starting to become a problem.

>>15715081
yes, man, people 30 years ago were more human. however it is good, internet really shows many things people didn't not want to see in themselves. internet created echo chambers, internet is opium for the masses, yet for those who seek truth and have honest heart internet is bliss. just don't fall in the trap of echo chambers.

>>15715081
People are the problem with social media. You cant fix the human problem by just lashing them all.

>>15721869
I made an alt account for this then eventually weened myself off that. Alt accounts can be particularly fun and I got addicted and even attached to mine, and it is probably unhealthy because now I have this whole other life and name in my head that I used to live. I think I was just an autistic teen with too much time.

>Having social media
>Ever

>>15721854
Is this a good read for someone that’s never used Twitter?

I have a friend that tells me I need to be anti-racist, and making an effort to make people hear black voices. Because where I live there’s literally no blacks (I’m not American), I should be retweeting black tweets. He couldn’t believe when I said I’ve never used twitter, and I’m contributing to white silence because I’m not on it.

>>15721520
Wow, get out of my head man!!

>>15722008
Lynch that dumb nigger.

>>15722008
Your friend has basically been indoctrinated by an internet cult. Don't be surprised if he cuts you out of his life before long. There's probably nothing you can do to help him.

>>15715223
When facebook came along I already had problems with too many commitments to family, friends, work colleagues etc and I was trying to get more solitude into my life. Facebook was promoted as a way to get in contact with old high school buddies yo haven't seen in years, etc. That was the last thing I wanted so I never bothered. Its not that I was supersmart or could see the future or anything I was trying to be antisocial.
Then when twitter came along that just seemed like an obvious timewaster so I passed on that too.
So I was just lucky I guess

>>15715584
>decides what you like/hate, how to dress, what to eat, how to feel, how to think.
Like 4chan

>>15722829
Really, by you being on Chan you loss all free will to make decisions for yourself? I feel far from it. I have a sense of my own personal individuality. I have my own beliefs and morals. Im sure most non-social media users on chan have their own philosophies of life. Well, I would at least hope so. I like to have faith in humanity. Its not like every one on here believes in idiotic conspiracy theories or fall for flat earth like ideas.

>>15722829
On the contrary, this is the only place on the internet where I feel I can speak freely.

>>15715611
>>15715630
>>15715658
>>15715667
>>15717092
>>15717169
>>15717181
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>>15717217
Anyone who participated in this conversation (excluding me, of course) needs to fucking neck themselves now. Go back to whatever containment board/subreddit you fucking summerfags generally populate and leave /lit/ alone.
>dude like I'm literally the oldfag!! lol!
>no dude like I'm an even older fag, lmao haha uber 9001 pancakes!!?!
>no dude like seriously, I LITERALLY was here for WTsnacks, lol (I don't say 'kek' because that's a NEW word)!
>actually man I cross checked the timeline you're claiming on my favorite website, reddit.com/r/4chan, and actually you weren't around for snacks because you said that you weren't here before eternal summer lolz!! I'm the actual oldfag!

>>15723226
nobody was even doing that you autist, we were just discussing ways the site has been

>>15723235
Yes, you were. Go back.
pic related is you

>>15723248
>you aren't allowed to talk about how things change
you're an impotent retard

>>15715465
EVERY FUCKING MARXIST TRIES TO LINK ANYTHING TO THEIR FUCKING REVOLUTION.
FUCK OFF

>>15723226
Lol, I know exactly how long I've been here. Was anything I said incorrect? No? Fuck off.

>>15719960
Anon, the sad thing is they will win.
The only hope is self extermination.

>>15715217
Top zozzle

>>15715683
I think the worst aspect of it is how it wrecks privacy & discretion in the social sense, totally notwithstanding the permanent record it furnishes for power-hungry glowies and corporate turbo-autist snoops. To some degree it makes everyone who uses social media a little bit more like a lol cow indiscriminately exposing their worst for all to see, while straining to pretend that doing so isn't destroying what peace of mind they have that enables reflection. In particular it ruins the development of social perception, the means by which we size others up from direct and unfiltered experience, of immediate comparisons between cognitive styles, manners, and conduct. Very little that is accurately telling is demonstrated by it, as a process, other than how to increase the severity of insanity where it already exists. It is a kind of gigantic caused accident perpetrated on the unwary.

>>15715430
This. When I was about three months old my mom put on the TV for me and I starting shitting myself and didn't stop until she turned it off. Anyone who hasn't shat themselves for this reasons is extremely low class and I look down my nose at them on the street.

>>15722008
I don't use Twitter and barely know the threading works but so far it is readable, albeit with a little bit of theory (Freud said this, Lacan said that, etc.). Some interesting insights into addiction and what it actually means (addicts are wanting the "wanting" as much as the dopamine hit) in a social context.

>>15715081
but why the cat hiney?

>>15723259
>>15723271
I don't care if anything said was correct or incorrect. You're both massive faggots, go back.

>>15723689
you're under the mistaken impression anyone cares what you say or will listen to you

>>15723689
The only "forum" I've used in the last 14 years is 4chan so I'll do as you say and stay here.

>>15723692
>'re under the mistaken impression anyone cares what you say or will listen to you
Then why did you respond?
>The only "forum" I've used in the last 14 years is 4chan so I'll do as you say and stay here.
Sure, bud :) just remember to haha "lurkmoar for 5000 years" and all of that.

>>15723226
Has it occurred to you that some people might like to talk about these things occasionally since they miss the way the site used to be?

>>15723726
>Sure, bud :)
I'm not sure why this is implausible to you. If you don't want to believe me that's your prerogative.

>>15723733
>>15723738
Here I'll make it clear for you, fellow epic 4channers. Everyone is a newfag. Stop tryharding, stroking each others dicks looking for validation about how long you've wasted your lives away on this god forsaken website.

>>15715140
You're using social media. It's really not that different from the mainstream ones, you have 0 reason to feel superior about.

>>15723766
you have like the non-meme version of autism, the one about not understanding social cues. It was an innocuous discussion about changes over time, nobody had accused anyone else of being a newfag

>>15723775
>you have like the non-meme version of autism
lol yea I really like memes too, fellow 4channer. I think "meme" autism is really funny and common, that's why I specify autism as "non-meme" autism when I'm talking about normal autism.
>It was an innocuous discussion about changes over time, nobody had accused anyone else of being a newfag
I'm accusing you of being newfags, because you can't realize the simple fact that you're a faggot for mentioning, however casually you think you did, that you've been here for x amount of time.

>>15723809
I know im a newfag though, I dont care. all i did was give my opinion about 4chan has changed since I came here, and you sperged out

>>15723774
He has one reason to feel superior it's the fact that he's using anonymous social media and that's smart. So nobody (save maybe the FBI or glow niggers) can pin something he said in the past to his actual rl persona. So there's that.

>>15715081
I attribute the decay of American politics to social media.

>>15723809
>you're a faggot for mentioning, however casually you think you did, that you've been here for x amount of time.
Did you think I was bragging? Funny.

>>15723934
Yes.

>>15723990
What's there to brag about? This site has only had a negative influence on my life.

>>15715383
>>15716919
This. Also, can't tell you how easily girls will send nudes thinking it'll delete after one viewing. Honestly it's great for social life but just don't let it consume you

>>15715584
I was always fond of 4chan's abandonment of ego. On Twitter, Facebook, Instagram you are battling for likes and you have a bias that an opinion is weak because it has little to no likes. Here we just voice opinions and besides number of replies on a thread/comment, it's largely a battle of ideas on topics of interest. Also, a lot of shit on this site (aka anime and porn) deter a lot of normies from being here, not full-proof but better than most platforms for sure.

>>15724001
It's what you make of it. I mostly go on /lit/ and find so many great books and ideas, its improved my personal character for sure. Other boards like /mu/ have shown me so much great music; specific /g/ threads have helped my career; /fit/ has helped me improve my workout routines/diet; /out/ has made me want to plan regular hikes/time in nature with friends/family. Other than that, I spend my free time working towards things I find important and seeing progress in it is incredibly fulfilling.