/lit/ - Literature

>>15705569
Nigga I ain't reading that.

>>15705627
Yeah, as i said, this is for the couple of anons who wanted the “full list” as soon as it was available.
I will be breaking it down into a series of smaller and more manageable lists soon.

For another random anon who requested the art forgery list: that will be posted by this afternoon

Thank you

>>15705569
>ancient warfare
Not to be a negative nancy, but is that subject Kind of wellcovered? Not that i complain mind you

Game theory - formal modeling - foundations of behavioral economics list has been modified and reposted:

https://pykewater.com/politics

>>15706332
For sure anon i got you. Any requests for lists or scans?

>>15706385
Do you have access to any Pynchon lore that we commoners might not? What works was Pynchon most strongly reactionary towards?

for art forgery/art preservation/conservation anon, playlist is now up:

pykewater.com/aesthetics-art

>>15706372
i'm with you. it's a reading list that has been requested, however, more than once. assuming there are reasons behind that persistent desire--i seek only to fulfill what anons want.

>>15706624
understandable, desu. i guess the others just seem like more novel topic to me, but if people want it that’s no skin off my back.

thanks for the work bruv

>>15705569
So much cancer

>>15705569
Based
Do you have anything on applied finance? Real investments, stocks?

First, you need to break down the lists you already have. Given what you said above, i guess you’re already doing that.

Second, these are actually really solid lists. If you could do something like these for the main shilled topics—the Greeks, traditionalism, Hegel, continental French Phil—i think that would be pretty good. Break those down entry - intermediate - expert or something like that.

Good job, rapture. Supporting this project.

>>15706952
Be a little more specific—stock market investments, sure; do you mean real estate? I’m not sure what real investments are—just books on how to actually invest?

>>15707437
Thanks brosef. I agree: I’m breaking down the material in each section as is. The website pretty much only has the master lists up right now.

bump for holy based rapture

>>15705569
I want book list for the defense industry, mining industry, agriculture industry, commercial space industry, and private intelligence agency

I’m most interested in a list for private intelligence agencies, like the history, the methods used, etc

>>15705569
List for emerging technologies (I.e 3D Printing, Blockchain, IoT, Biometrics, Robotics)

>>15705569
Can you included stuff on internal American waterways for the naval power/piracy list?

>>15705569
What are some good books on the topic?

>>15708258
Private Equity

>>15710837
This about private intelligence. I’d like to hear especially about opposition research in US politics, financial crimes, and auditing

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Wow this is all some great feedback—thanks. I can for sure cover these topics.

I;ll start where i know sorta where to start, but it often does help: do any books at all come to mind viz. the listed topics to help get me into the headspace you all have? I’d like the lists to be as custom and tight as possible—what lengths do you all find most manageable? You want full-on comprehensive?

>>15711576
For the industries, I want the nitty gritty. I want to be able to LARP like I’m someone in those industries, that’s how much information I’m hoping to find out.

For private intelligence, here’s a list of books/areas to look into and build off of
https://www.einvestigator.com/private-investigator-books-pi-magazines-ebooks-and-manuals/

I’m sure you have some contacts in how opposition research is conducted for example

It’d be great to have something detailing about the shadow economy/criminal underworld (from human trafficking time social security fraud) as part of the private investigation list or a separate one altogether. Length doesn’t matter. The more, the merrier. Maybe it’d be helpful if you could point out 3 entry level books to read, but I’m sure I’ll be coming through whatever you manage to find and share

Thanks again rapture for the great work!

>>15712216
Bump

>>15705569
>8 posters prior to this post
>8 replies to op
hmmmmmm

Bumperino

>>15712216
This is great, thank you—you’ve got it.
I’ve got some requests in the works ahead of this so give it a little time, but it will happen; ill keep the board posted.

Any other topics?

Ill be rolling out a lot of “eldritch” political knowledge crap viz. cults/apocalypticism, pseudoscience, etc. Lots of good stuff that will tangentially relate.

I;m thinking of posting the lists as is, despite their unwieldy nature, and just slowly work through them , breaking them down into smaller lists but offering the master lists as stable foundations.

I’ll probably post some shit later today that you will like, that at least will whet some peoples appetites on here for some of the deeper and harder to find political theory stuff

For real though, great looks, thanks.

>>15713928

since the thread unexpectedly survived the night, i might as well expand a little here and offer a more general vision:
what i'm hoping to do is take each subject list and break it down into manageable trajectory lists--suggestions as to where to begin on any given topic, intermediate- and expert-level recs, etc.
i hope also to incorporate links to relevant, related and available podcasts, fora, sites, etc.--so you click on the "nietzsche list" and you are given a suggested trajectory on nietzsche for primary and secondary lit, as well as links to his stanford phil encylopedia page, yale open course lectures on nietzsche, maybe a link to brian leiter's blog, etc.--the idea being to provide a sort-of "one stop shop" for nietzsche, a type of "epistemic watering hole" on the topic that anyone from a layman to a trained academic could in theory benefit from. perhaps even in-depth summaries or even moderated conversation, but those are more outer-rim items. the main idea is integration and consolidation, bridging the seemingly infinite gulf between what has been academically written and what is publicly circulated/cited.

eventually i want to scan and digitize the entire collection, so you not only come for suggestions, but legitimately for a full digital library on neitzsche as well.

what type of academic "experience" would you all most like to have? what would a fully integrated experience look like to you?

>>15705569
Why would anyone ever read anything by a black person? They have no talent. There has never been a black genius. Not among scientists, not among writers. No film directors, no painters, no musicians. You can't prove me wrong.

Bump for worthwhile project

>>15714048
Reported

anon requested reading list on genocide general/genocide of north american indians. both lists are incomplete, but good foundations and worth sharing at this point. just posted:

pykewater.com/politics/2020/6/27/genocide

>>15715153
do you have anything on fundamentalism and violence? particularly the connection between "righteous" mindsets and violence?

>>15715785

i do--i have a massive playlist on fundamentalism in general. it has not been split up yet and is fairly unmanageble, but it contains some real gems--would you like me to post it, despite its current condition?

please note that all lists are dynamic and incomplete.

>>15705569
>i will be scanning that book by Moore on critical thinking that was requested a couple weeks ago--sorry for the hold up, the requested reading list took a very long time.
no worries, take your time. I'm thrilled that it's on your to-do list at all!

given the extra free time I have at my disposal, I think it might be time to start that "trivium" project that I've been itching to do for years

>>15716268

say more to that, i recall you (if i'm correct in assuming you are from a thread a couple weeks ago) mentioning a type of overarching project. what's the endgoal? what else would it need to reach fulfillment?

very interested, down to help as i can.

>>15716293
Have you ever read Stoner by John Williams? Do you remember the scene where Professor Stoner begins his graduate seminar on rhetoric, only to be cut short by Charles Walker?

Absolutely kino. I didn't think there could be a lecture written in a book that would be more interesting than any lecture I've personally listened to, but there it was. A passionate lecture on the Latin tradition of rhetoric, from a man who didn't exist, teaching a field who has largely abandoned this perspective on the language arts. I wanted to learn more about rhetoric and the trivium, but there's hardly any collected and organized information about it.

What makes the trivium tantalizing for me is that it appears to be a phenomenology of language, ideas, and thought itself. In a world that requires increasingly more intellectual independence and multidisciplinary approaches to understand and solve complex problems, the potential of the trivium cannot be ignored. I think that the pic-related can explain the beauty of it better than I could. Liberal arts are on the decline, and I think that only the trivium could save it.

>what's the endgoal?
I want to understand the roots of the trivium and quadrivium, how it evolved and why, the causes of its decline, explore what made it so appealing, its advantages and disadvantages as a curriculum, and how it could be feasibly brought back today (i.e., retain the same subjects? add or take away subjects? practical concerns?)

>what else would it need to reach fulfillment?
a community of people whose collective expertise includes: grammar, rhetoric, literary analysis, linguistics, logic, mathematics, philosophy, Latin & Greek, the classics, and history (specifically history of ideas or history of education). I am way over my head in this subject, and it's tough to figure out where to begin.

>>15716428
i am deeply sympathetic to this kind of thinking/vision. tell me a little more: do you envision a full, sustainable, multi-year track/curriculum? a separate institution--formalized--to ground this community?
would today's internet provide the means for such a community--or do you envision a more traditional experience?

do you have any reading lists beyond the chart/pic?

>>15705569
I know two things I'd find very interesting are geology and Native American studies

>>15705569
Black Swans/Unpredictable catastrophic events (Tornadoes, Earthquakes, Meteorotes, Tsunamis, Locusts/Famine) and whatever else you think could be a possible black swan event

bump for holy interest

How about a list on artificial intelligence? According to 80000 Hours, AI is the most concerning existential threat to mankind. General AI will be the biggest technological event ever. It's worth knowing about. Especially Dreyfus's criticisms.

>>15716627
>do you envision a full, sustainable, multi-year track/curriculum? a separate institution--formalized--to ground this community?
I appreciate that you immediately imagine the grandest implementation possible. That would entail success beyond my wildest dreams. I don't think we can think about that scale of implementation before the fundamentals are secured.

At the bare minimum, I just want to improve my knowledge of the trivium out of personal interest and self-improvement. I don't know if there's enough material available, or if I have the right skill set, to make an original contribution towards understanding the art and the history of the trivium/quadrivium. I don't even know if it's clearly superior to the modern curriculum found in most schools for the purpose of fostering critical thinking, innovation, and creativity, which would make it a hard sell in today's job-oriented university system. To this purpose, I want to start a reading group and recruit other interested people, with the hopes of attracting open-minded experts in the fields I mentioned earlier who could lend their expertise and perspectives to the project.

If, after a long and period of research and thinking, our efforts bear fruit, then I would like to create a reading list, share notes, and create a set of trivium/quadrivium MOOCs. That would be my first step. I would be excited to write an undergraduate thesis on the trivium as well, but I don't know if I will have enough time and resources to embark on that project before I graduate. Perhaps that could be expanded into a book or towards consulting for education reformers. However, this whole paragraph feels presumptuous until I have more substance to back up my plans. It's just a budding idea at this stage, and there's not much accessible work to build on either. We would be blazing trails with every tiny step we took.

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>>15717136
Any particular angles on these topics—area or time specific, etc? Or just overall/general overview?

>>15717444
You got it. Do you want literature on the events themselves to accompany the theory? Like lots out there on unpredictability—would you want texts that are separate from theory but look at events themselves as compliments? E.g. a book on tsunami X, a book on earthquake Y, etc. as complimentary texts, or just mainline the theory?

>>15717896
You got it.
Theory only or actual programming as well?

>>15717931
This is honestly a fascinating vision. You are an undergrad now?
What led you to this line of thought? Are you particularly dissatisfied with the academic system as it is? Do you study philosophy? Roughly whereabouts? So many questions here


Glad this thread survived another night. Will post some more lists throughout the day.

>>15722171
>Do you want literature on the events themselves to accompany the theory?
Yes, that’d be wonderful!

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>>15716627
these are nice, where can I find them in higher res?

for anon who requested: michael polanyi intro/starter pack is now up:

pykewater.com/philosophy/2020/6/28/polanyi-michael

>>15723238
yeah i like them, too. i just found them on this board over time.

>>15723165
you got it.

>>15705569
While your list is long, it is far from comprehensive, and it is missing some obvious books and writers as well as many that would show a little more thought on the subject.

>No Equiano (first slave narrative in English)
>No Chatterton-Williams (contemporary black writer who is ignored because he dislikes hip-hop culture)
>Secondary works about the Moynihan Report, but not the report itself
>Incomplete McKay bibliography (no Banjo)
>No Senna
>Limited representation of white authors who tackle race (no Faulkner, no Updike [Rabbit Redux], no O'Connor [Artificial Nigger], no Wolfe [Radical Chic, Man in Full] etc)
>etc, etc

Your bibliography reads like an assembled collection of reading lists from various black history courses, as opposed to a carefully (or even idiosyncratically) curated list that you have put time and thought into. I like you Rapture but your continued grandiose claims to greatness and/or comprehensiveness invariably fall short. You would be well served to tone down your self-congratulation.

>>15723683
shut up nigger lover

propaganda
"deep ecology" (seen some charts but want more)
very specific, but aesthetics dealing with light

thanks

>>15705569
Rapture, what’s the black book of politics? I heard this is the book that gives all the details about fundraising in US politics. Could you elaborate what it is or even share it with us?

>>15724091
I guess a list about fundraising in US politics would be v valuable to branch off of this point

>>15723872
say more on propaganda--what angle? i have a large playlist on this, but it is honestly too massive and unruly to post as is. i'll break it down accordingly.

the light thing is really interesting. what are you thinking here--shit like james turrell? theories of abstraction/the sublime? mathematics of light? man so many angles here

>>15724091
where did you see this specifically?

daschle gave obama a book as his campaign book. pretty much david rockefeller's golden rolodex, but for politics: full roadmap of heavy donors, routes of contact, notes on influence, lines of connection, etc. index for campaign managers and various forms of influencers.
kinda operates like a dynamic socialite list--a greenbook for beltway politics as well.
the real political tact came in leveraging those contacts into the fracking-like grassroots efforts that defined the obama campaign.
beyond that, i do not know; i do not have access to a copy, but have been piecing together a similar list of donors, heavy hitters, etc. not comfortable sharing that, desu. i'm sure it's nothing compared to the real one.

>>15717896
seconding AI. would like a deep learning approach to it.
i would actually like programming included. i want to know about these machines from the ground up.

>>15724841
i can for sure do this, but it will take a little while--i know jack shit about programming, will definitely have to outsource to relevant expertise.

>>15724122
to be honest, a lot of the lit on fundraising is pretty bland. ive worked on political campaigns, and the gap i've found between the literature and the actual execution of campaign finance is pretty extreme. a lot of campaign finance comes down to active contributor lists, carved up neighborhood geographies for canvassing, etc.--far more dynamic, spread-sheet-oriented sources of information than is usually appropriate for a book.
heavy donors tend to shine through and can be found without much investigation; "blue-chip" donors are always a thing, but theory doesn't need to tell you that.
i'll build that list, but its an oddly dry and boring one with a lot of obvious info: gleaning donations takes time and energy, phone campaigns suck, you need a good accountant, etc.
are you looking for explanations as to the shift in terms of grass-roots? how to harvest cash from smaller donors?

also, for anon who requested: GEM Anscombe intro playlist is now up:

pykewater.com/philosophy/2020/6/28/anscombe-gertrude

very small selection of secondary lit. can expand to mentions of intention more generally--e.g. searle, bratman--if you'd like, but that's obviously its own host of brambles and could be its own list separately. let me know.

>>15705569
can I get a reading list on the commodification and dumbing down of education in the United States and beyond. Maybe a bit of reading on the bloated beauracracies in charge of our institutions.

>>15725733

for sure. lots here: are you looking for mainly critiques, or histories of US higher education as well? the critiques are a dime a dozen and deserve their own list; histories draw a lot from the development of higher education and its "dumbing down" in relation to governmental ties in the cold war era, etc.
plenty on 19th century as well; hofstadter has his work on american anti-intellectualism; what are you looking for specifically?

>>15722171
I was the geology/Native American studies guy. I guess just general overview. They're just both subjects I really would like to study so frankly I'm not even sure what subtopics there may be within them.

>>15714048
dumas and baldwin are good black writers

toni morrison is really popular too

>>15705569
Books for marketing/advertising/branding, esp. for 21st century

>>15728813
Also, philanthropy in the 21st century too

>>15725649
Base

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>>15728848
you got it. you want the development of philanthropy, its ideological history pre-carnegie or just 20th century analyses/reports on philanthropy?

>>15725473
As it happens, I'm currently writing my bachelor's thesis on an AI-related topic.
Is there any chance you could purchase the 4th edition of Russell and Norvig's "Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach" and put it on libgen? It's a 1000+-page tome that's commonly considered the standard work on AI and the fourth edition came out just this year. Would be very cool!

Holy bump

Last bump for sacred rapture
Good thread