/lit/ - Literature

What's the consensus on the Black Company series?

>>15700963
There we go again with the shitty fantasy.

sanderfag a hack

>>15701109
Well then give some sci fi to jack off to similar in stile to the image you posted. Since you seem to think it's so much better than fantasy.

OFFICIAL Incest acceptance hierarchy
Step sibling>Cousin>Step parent>Sibling>Aunt>Mother>Uncle>Father

>>15701205
That is only assuming you are male. Also daughter fucking is top tier.

>>15701002
I finished the first volume this week, and I gotta say: not bad. It's grim and funny. The laconic prose is enjoyable as well.

>>15701205
Pretty sure Heinlein was all about parental incest. Though that fucker went all out on the incest train in general.

>>>/v/514176820
Guys, /v/ is fellating Sanderson again...

>>15701205
for me:
brother with old sister > sister with sister > anything you can imagine (hetero only) > for last and below: any male with male incestuous shit.
>inb4 if one of those are traps, don't mat--
fuck off!!

>>15701002
The early stuff was great, became a chore to read later on though. The ending was satisfying at least.

Any of the Man-Kzin Wars books worth a damn?

Greg Egan self published his new short story collection Instantiation and it's pretty good.

>japanese cover makes an otherwise trash book appealing
What a waste.

>>15701449
I tried Diaspora and it was too far out for me. Does it ever get grounded or does the investment on buying in ever pay off?

>>15701002
Shit

>>15701109
Is that the robot AI from evil genius by Logan Jacobs ?

Any good fantasy sport series? I'm tired of reading about Tolkien knockoffs or magical school settings. Fantasy sports is probably a niche that could be filled.

>>15701839
Harry potter

>>15701839
I haven't read them but there are a few Blood Bowl novels.

>>15701839
Not a series but Race the Sands came out the other month and was alright. Sports focus falls off a bit as the plot unveils though

>>15701839
The best entirely fictional sports I can think of are both in ya magic school books lol (Court of Fives and whatever series Mercedes Lackey puts Kirball in)

>>15701584
At which point did Diaspora become too much for you?

>>15701449
Don't know how I missed that. Egan is my favorite.

>>15701584
>Diaspora

I'm giving it 3 stars for now because I've barely begun and don't want to be unfair - but what I have read so far was a real struggle, mainly to understand WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?! Do these people have, like, physical bodies? Or are they all just Kindle versions of people, existing only on a giant server?

The detail of how Yatima comes to be "born," if that's the right word, gets numbing - page after page after page of extraordinarily - and I think unnecessarily - detailed description of exactly every minute step of the way. It's made more difficult to wade through by the author's refusal to give us a break and tell us - is this all happening in a computer? Is there any flesh and blood? Is everybody in this society just an icon, an avatar? And is all this mind-numbing detail absolutely vital to the story unfolding?

I hope not, because large parts of it are incomprehensible to me, and I'm not a novice in sci-fi or computerese or the English language. As it is, there is very little "action" - unless you think action means apps or coding or pixels or GUIs or CPUs or mainframes or servers or whatever interacting or syncing or issuing commands with each other (it's hard for me to think of anything less interesting), with no breaks, like, what do they call those things again? Oh yeah, CHAPTERS.

Greg Egan may be a good or even great writer, but I haven't seen evidence of that yet, though I have seen plenty of evidence of what amounts to authorial self-indulgence, as if he's writing to please himself instead of readers, and also trying to show us how smart he is.

Well, for now, I'll keep plugging away, but it's not enjoyable at all, yet - rather it's a slog. I hope I get to a point, sooner rather than later, when Egan reveals to me exactly what is going on. And oh yeah, why I should care.

>>15701584
Diaspora gets progressively less grounded

>>15703272
>is this all happening in a computer? Is there any flesh and blood?
You didn't make it very far. The dichotomy between virtual solipsism and vestigial realism is most of the book.

>>15703272
If you didn't like the first chapter you should probably drop the book, I thought both the chapter and book were amazing. I don't have your hangups about digital life.

>>15703307
>>15703376
guys I was baiting, shit. It's from an Amazon review. I love Egan. If he just fuckin posted a picture of himself then I could tattoo his face on my bum.

reading Dune for the first time.. is it just me or is the way Paul is written after Leto's death (and the writing style in general) really cringey?
I expected it to be a lot better than this.

how has nobody ripped perhaps the stars yet

>>15703394
Those 1 star reviews made me angry.
You shouldn't be able to review a book unless you can prove that you finished it.

Somebody recommended The Red by Linda Nagata in the previous thread. I pirated a copy of it and read the first chapter.

It's trash.
>First person present tense
>The most ham-fisted introductions for characters I've read in a long time
>A team of hardened soldiers talking like kids trying to copy Marvel quips
>A childishly simple understanding of how the military works
>George Bush bad grrr

>>15701388
I seriously don't understand why /lit/ has a problem with Sanderson. His writing is not the best, but why does /lit/ hate him? Valid criticisms, please.

>>15703428
just finished it. that book really becomes something special when the narrative skips ahead in time dramatically, largely because the fremen and life on arrakis is written to be so interesting. Also you finally get a sense of purpose in the plot that didnt exist beforehand

>>15703599
/sffg/ doesn't hate him. Just the opposite exactly.

>>15701002
Good writing for f*ntasy. It's basically military fiction where the commanders are wizards who can turn into animorphs.
I finished the first book today on ereader and I was tempted to buy the whole series but I think I'll read Port of Shadows first because it's the 2nd book in the series.

Thoughts on Brent Weeks?

https://www.alexandrarowland.net/single-post/2020/06/25/On-Scott-Lynch-and-Elizabeth-Bear

I hope you weren't looking forward to Thorn of Emberlain /sffg/

>>15703482
Because it's coming out June 2021

>>15704242
I already gave up on Gentlemen bastards book 4, Name of wind book 3, and anything concerning asoiaf from GURM that isn't some family's history or short story that doesn't apply to the main plot.
I also put Dresden in there and gave up, but Jim isn't letting us down. He came back with two books being released within two months of each other.

NewThread?
Fuck
E William Brown
Brown William E
A Fuck

>>15701839
Honestly u are better off looking in the weeb section for that stuff Manga/LN.

>>15704392
Anon. Just let it go.

>>15704242
This dumb cunt is claiming she was groomed... at 25! lol
YA twitter drama has made it to epic fantasy. Women ruin literally everything.
Another author has been stewing on comments like these for 10 fucking years and is now posting them like its a #metoo moment because Mark Lawrences fans were mean to her.
>When I was 23, a panel of male authors saw me taking my seat beside them at a con and said, “oh, you’re in the wrong room. The dumb YA panel is next door.”
She's now 33

I want to read military scifi, but the way it almost all vilifies war and military service makes me wonder why the hell these people write about it. Henryk's books are a great example of what military fiction can be and there is a stark difference between how he portrays service to the country, and how scifi portrays it in almost all cases. The only exception to this is Robert Heinlein, and Starship Troopers is relentlessly attacked for being a fascist neonazi recruiting pamphlet for the US military because of it.

Why is there so few military scifi written by people who actually like war?

>>15705244
Try the Undying Mecenaries series. It's pure camp silliness but at the very least it doesn't try to present a pretense of social commentary.
Basic premise is that Earth gets annexed into a Galactic Empire that assigns planets monopolies on specific industries while forbidding them at gunpoint from engaging in other ones, as a way to keep them reliant on the galactic empire. Everything else in Earth's sector is taken, so Earth ends up exporting soldiers.
First book starts kind of shaky but it hits its stride about halfway through when the author realizes a workers rebellion by sentient T-rex aliens with laser guns is inherently ridiculous and decides to run with it.

>>15705271
I read and enjoyed the first few books, it was a very guilty pleasure.

>>15705244
Read Agent Cormac series by Neal Asher

>>15704242
>https://www.alexandrarowland.net/single-post/2020/06/25/On-Scott-Lynch-and-Elizabeth-Bear

Ah shot.. they are going after him too? Warren Elis, Chris Avalone and now him?

>>15678226
>>15684745
Yooo, this book was actually pretty good!

I don't really know what to say about it. But I liked the characters and how events unfolded. And it had just the right about of foreshadowing to keep me guessing, while still delivering satisfactory surprises.

I like how "domestic" it was, concentrating on family, friends, and home. I like how it glossed over unimportant stuff like the particulars of assassins training, and instead focused on how the characters feel about what they're going through.

I like the magic of the world, and how it was slowly unravelled. Magic felt both important and unimportant at the same time. As if it were just another aspect of the life of these characters. A tool to be used. Rather than waste a bunch of time over explaining everything, only enough was conveyed to make the plot make sense.

I like how the problems characters encounter pretty much amount to magical depression. Like, they just get tired, lonely, lethargic, self doubting, reclusive, and turn to substance abuse to deal with it. I really have to wonder if this wasn't intentional. It feels like the author was deliberately using mental health problems as inspiration for all the conflicts in the book. And it worked out very well, imo.


With so much to like, the one complaint I have, is that there are events that feel glossed over. Swaths of time are referenced in short sentences. Which isn't necessarily bad, because it's better to move the story along, than to get mired in unimportant details. But I still feel like he didn't have to skip as much as he did.

And lastly, the audiobook is AMAZING. Dude, whoever they got to read this thing is a fucking A+. Paul Boehmer is his name apparently. He's got that perfect high born royalty voice that doesn't even sound like it belongs in modern times. But it's perfect for the books setting. And he actually ACTS the roles. He brings the characters to life. There's this long conversation near the end of the book, where two characters are angry with one another, and for a while I forgot I was listening to an audiobook, and it felt like I was witnessing an argument.

I can only hope the next two books are as good. Though I'm scared, because they're nearly twice as long. And I don't know if all that many pages are needed to tell another similar story.

>>15705630
The first trilogy is good, the second trilogy is good, the third trilogy is awful.

I wrote a short sci-fi novella and have it available to purchase.

>What is the spark of life? How many years can part before it's too late to fix our mistakes? Off World begins with a young man named Jasper South waking from a ten year stay in cryostasis. He's woken forty years early by his former employee, Phillip Swan, who has lived those ten long years entangled in a world of illegal, state-of-the-art science and the criminal underworld. Jasper finds that a dark conspiracy has put not only his life in danger, but the lives of those he loves.

Anyone else here published something they've written?

>>15705643
Welp, I'm just going to continue until it stops being good. I'll see for myself.

>>15704242
I don't get this shit. She's 25. A full adult. Not even a a young adult that's 18 which could add some credibility. She'd Twenty Fucking Five. I bet her parents could even have the same age gap as her and Lynch. It's not even remotely unheard of

>>15704242
I don't understand the issue here. She was an adult and another adult flirted with her. This is what normal human adults do. In what reality is this "grooming". How can you even be 25 years old and claim someone is grooming you?

>>15705479
Started reading this but got a little bored not that far in. I'll pick it up again later. If you enjoyed it, I'd recommend the Culture series by Iain M. Banks.

>>15704392
Why don't you just pay his wall fee and fuck off. Fed up of seeing your ass complain.

>>15705630
I hope your ass loves misery porn, cause that the only satisfaction you will get.

>>15704225
Deus ex

>>15705648
From the name of your book, and the cover, I assume that it's about a secret cryogenic lab on the moon or some shit. Everything takes place in this facility.

>>15705858
Faggot. You haven't even finish the book. How can you recommend me a book and say "if you enjoyed this book I never read, I recommend this book I read". Fuck off. I'm not taking your recommendation.

>>15705244
>Sienkiewicz
The guy specifically wrote his books to uplift the spirits of the divided Polish people (The Deluge is very heavy-handed on national unity), but I don't think they are especially pro-war. About as pro-war as Lord of the Rings. Okay, maybe a bit more in that Sienkiewicz didn't show much mercy to commoners who defied the divine right of kings, but he was an aristocrat after all.

>>15705956
You're mostly wrong, and a little bit right.

>>15705984
The premise is the same, you absolute retard. I know what the premise of Gridlinked is, even if I haven't read the whole book yet. Secondly, the recommendation wasn't solely for you, but for anyone else who had read the Neil Asher books and was looking for similar. Stop being such a salty little bitch.

>>15705756
Because these types are people are enabled in today's social climate. They have entire communities of people supporting them with the whole "listen and believe" nonsense.

Discuss

Discuss.

Asher sucks ass

>>15706072
Well sffg doesn't stand with victims. As a matter of fact, I want their stories to be turned into a fantasy story, so I can jack off to the rape.

>>15706072
On top of this, I'm sure it's a 'I want to be included' mentality that most people have.
I haven't read all the accusations, but I am sure that it started with something serious like rape or abuse (whether true or not), and it's just been watered down by people wanting to get their 2 minutes of fame, and an extra few thousand Instagram followers.

It's mind-blowing that these people think they stand on the same platform as actual rape victims, or survivors of domestic abuse.
Like in their mind, holocaust survivors and people who get catcalled have experienced the same trauma.

But how about those dragons, amiright?

>>15706102
All fags and other degenerates get the bullet.

>>15704225
Was a good start. Lost the plot midway through. The jade gates were closed to me.

Are the Conan books that aren't by Robert E. Howard any good?

>>15706537
Yeah, Sprague de Camp and Lin Carter are pretty excellent.

>>15706600
I forgot, Karl Edward Wagner and Poul Anderson, despite not having written that much Conan, are great. In the 70s up to the mid 90s authors cut their teeth in Conan stories. That includes Turtledove and Robert Jordan

>>15703394
>>15703376
>>15703307
>>15703290

I've never read a book by Egan. Which book should I start with?

If it helps I prefer sci-fi mysteries, like Childhood's End (Clarke), Pushing Ice (Reynolds) and Great North Road (Hamilton). But it doesn't have to be a mystery.

>>15705990
>but I don't think they are especially pro-war
And how do you square that circle, anon? The only thing I can think of is that you're thinking "pro-war" in the neocon sense of war for war's own sake.

>>15704242
Well, shit. Farewell Locke Lamora.

>>15706938
nothing will happen here lol
Myke Cole got outed for being actually abusive years ago and nothing happened, hell he's got such a pattern that it's happened again and he hasn't lost his deals.

>>15704242
LOL did you read the comments from facebook at the bottom? A few authors are there saying "I believe you" and "such bravery, much impressed, wow" among other things.
If you are online close the fucking window.

>>15707251
>>15704242

>>15707251
>>15707277
There are some other authors speaking up in defense of Bear (granted, they are Literally Whos named Arkady Martine and CD Covington) but it looks bad.

>>15707781
The world is going to hell in a basket. I can't wait till mgtow becomes a real thing, and we all get robot gfs.

>>15707781
Martine wrote what would've won boty if someone didn't luck into publishing a book about social distancing just as covid hit

Damn, r/fantasy isn't cucked this one time. They're all shitting on the girl for claiming she was groomed at fucking 25.

You have one chance to prove to everyone here that a web novels, serials, and wuxia stories have redeeming qualities.
What story do you recommend?

>>15708461
The longest one and I tell you it gets good at the end

>>15708255
They locked the thread.

>>15708255
>This thread has been locked a second time for numerous Rule 1 violations and unfounded speculation. r/fantasy is not the place to discuss psychology or give relationship advice. These kinds of comments, as well as the numerous victim blaming comments we had to remove, make the subreddit unwelcoming to people who have experienced sexual abuse, relationship abuse, and the trauma that comes with it.

I've never written a book before, but I think I'm going to try. Got nothing better to do with my life and I think it'd be fun

>>15701205
I would say father is unironically more socially accepted than uncle

>>15708255
She made the mistake of accusing Bear. If she stuck to Lynch r/fantasy would have been on her side.

>>15708653
Writing is fun. Best of luck

Why isn't anyone saying fuck e william brown in reddit? Are they all his pay piggies?

What did E William Brown do to you anon? Why are you so obsessed with this author?

>>15705666
Sounds like a casting couch/Weinstein situation desu.

>the 37 and 43 year old literary grooooomers
>haha that's so sad you don't have a publisher
>does your agent know about us?
>i'm not writing thorn of emberlain so we can spend time together don't make me tell my fans

The Two Towers feels bloated artificially through switching perspectives between the tracking group and the kidnapped group, going over the same day multiple times.

Anyone here ever read the Tiger and Del series? What'd you think of it? Yeah I know female author but she's one of those old female authors, not the new breed.

>>15709232
Have you played the drinking game for every time Aragorn says "Behold!" in the series yet?

Keep your penises for sadpanda, or you will get accused when you are more successful.

>>15705244
If you don't feel compelled to finish a series you can try David Weber's stuff. Be warned honorverse goes to shit fairly quickly but the first book is good. His multiverse series is very fun but he'll likely be finishing that series on his deathbed if at all.

>>15705244
I don't think that's true at all. Only the high-end stuff. Pulp is all glory. Try The Lost Fleet.

>>15705244
The trilogy isn't exactly pro war, its just that it focuses on the most action packed time in Polish history.

Is $2.99 too much for a novella by Noname McFuckingnobody?

>>15706102
I'm gonna read all the loli shit, and give them t star reviews. Those cat ladies on goodreads will freak!

>>15705244
>makes me wonder why the hell these people write about it

David Drake, where a lot of his writing could be described as "working out his Vietnam PTSD one story at a time" wrote in the end of The Tank Lords:
>The one thing that ought to be obvious to a civilian is that war zones are an experience to avoid. Nonetheless, I know a couple men who’ve moaned that they missed “Nam,” the great test of manhood of our generation. They’re idiots if they believe that, and twits if they were just mouthing words that had become the in thing for their social circles. I haven’t tested my manhood by having my leg amputated without anesthetic; I don’t feel less of a man for lack of the experience. And believe me, I don’t feel more of a man for anything I saw or did in Southeast Asia.

>The people I served with in 1970 (the enlisted men) were almost entirely draftees. At that time nobody I knew in-country: thought the war could be won; thought our government was even trying to win; thought the brutal, corrupt Saigon government was worth saving; thought our presence was doing the least bit of good to anybody, particularly ourselves.

>But you know, I’m still proud of my unit and the men I served with. They weren’t exactly my brothers, but they were the folks who were alone with me. Given the remarkably high percentage of those eligible who’ve joined the association of war-service Blackhorse veterans, my feelings are normal for the 11th Cav. Nobody who missed the Vietnam War should regret the fact. It was a waste of blood and time and treasure. It did no good of which I’m aware, and did a great deal of evil of which I’m far too aware. But having said that...

>I rode with the Blackhorse.

Generally of the vets I've talked to in the SFF fandom the books they praise the most are stuff like The Forever War and Bill The Galactic Hero. I've spoken to a lot of vets who complained constantly about everything but still placed a value on their time in. I think a lot of it comes from getting out and realizing how bullshit it was to do stuff like dump 20,000 rounds through a SAW because otherwise their ammo budget for training would get reduced next fiscal year.

>Why is there so few military scifi written by people who actually like war?

Generally that style is only written by people who have never been in the military, or who have never seen combat because they were either REMFs or were in at a time when there was no war. (Heinlein was invalidated out of the Navy in the 30s after getting sick and spent WWII working at a shipyard, John Ringo was in the peacetime army after Vietnam, etc) And normally the latter group ends up working for thinktanks or defense contractors instead of writing schlock science fiction novels.

>>15708669
>If she stuck to Lynch r/fantasy would have been on her side.
They still mad he pulled a Martin /Rothfuss and denied them a new book?

>>15709142
He is trying to copy GURM. Have a book people want and withhold it as much as possible to get more money.

I like the Red Rising series.

>Science fiction/Fantasy story
>It's told from a first person point of view

Books with similar themes to Xenogears?

>>15711218
A Canticle for Leibowitz

It is fantasy so I guess that's the thread to go for: I am currently watching Game of Thrones for the first time and I kind of enjoy it (still don't get THIS kind of hype though). I've heard that the books are much better though. The question that remains: Is it even worth to start reading when it's not clear whether the books will ever be finished at all?

>>15711200
Oh piss off you fat babby. It has its place.

>>15711327
No, don't read the books. The first three are really good and the author makes promises he doesn't / won't / can't deliver on. Don't get invested in it.

Holy fuck Maytera Marble is so fucking cute.

I'm not gonna make it, bros.

Stormlight Archive would be a much better series if the main focused stayed on Kaladin and his cute little fairy or whatever the fuck she's supposed to be. Nobody gives a fuck about Shallan and her retarded mental issues. I had to actively skip through her chapters.

>>15711344
What a shame...

>>15711389
Dalinar>Szeth>Kaladin>Shallan>Venli/Eshonai>>>>>>>>Navani

>If nothing else, the enforced isolation has helped me write. I am spending long hours every day on THE WINDS OF WINTER, and making steady progress. I finished a new chapter yesterday, another one three days ago, another one the previous week. But no, this does not mean that the book will be finished tomorrow or published next week. It’s going to be a huge book, and I still have a long way to go. Please do not give any credence to any of the click-bait websites that like to parse every word of my posts as if they were papal encyclicals to divine hidden meanings.
Bros, is the fat man actually going to finish it after all?

>>15706625
Permutation City is the go-to, I'd say. Egan is based. you can go to his website, gregegan.net, and read some of his short stories for free.

>>15701449
I disagree. Most of his stories had political nonsense shoved in. I did like that big three-parter that paid off in the end but overall, they lacked the raw sci-fi elements as well as the twists and mindfucks of his older works.

>>15706625
His short story collection, Axiomatic.

>>15706625
Read Quarantine. It's playful and clever and keeps milking a premise but gets more interesting rather than more stale each time he goes to the tap. Loose detective framework.

>>15711389
Would be even better if Kaladin could fuck syl.

>>15711708
This.

>>15711708
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/171-oathbringer-release-party/#e8267

>>15711734
So there's a chance.

>>15711332
Nah, it's shit. Fuck off.

I'm feeling more and more like I don't know what I'm doing with this story

>>15711200
why is this bad? first person is refreshing. truthfully I'd like to see smaller story told in second person, that'd be interesting

>>15711913
please he only said that to placate people its obviously not gonna happen.

>>15711913
He probably got to swear some god tier ideal, and promise never to sleep with another living being.

>>15712152
I mean the chances of it happening are non existent but with Sanderson he usually gives straighforward answers. If something wasn't going to be in the book period then he'd say so no matter how many people wanted it. The fact that he's open to the possibility already says a lot. And let's be real, literally anybody would be a better mach for Kaladin than Shallan.

>>15712150
There are full length novels in 2nd person and various short works.

Am I bad for liking this?

>>15712366
what are some good ones

I shouldn't have stopped writing. now I can't get back on the horse

>>15707781

Who is everyone's favorite cancellation of a SFF author this week? I am torn between Sam Sykes and Chuck Wendig. Probably I will go with Sam because his conduct was more harassy but I do think Chuck was a good choice. I'm hoping next week brings us Scalzi because he is preemptively apologizing for harassing people he doesn't remember harassing but he's sure he harassed somebody, because who hasn't? But I will settle for 5-10 more SFF authors I don't know groveling on Twitter.

>>15712919
What's the list of them so far? I've only heard about a few of them but right now I suppose a toss up between Myke Cole or Mark Lawrence because they both write bad edgelord trash.

>>15712992

There's a lot. If you start including comics people (Warren Ellis etc.) it's probably 20 in the last week. Elizabeth Bear was a good cancellation too - posted a self righteous screed against abusers and then was cancelled the next day for "grooming."

https://throwanotherbearinthecanoe.substack.com/p/this-is-an-open-letter-to-my-friends

https://www.alexandrarowland.net/single-post/2020/06/25/On-Scott-Lynch-and-Elizabeth-Bear

I can't keep track of them all and I need more popcorn.

>>15705630
sounds like you're going to enjoy the rest of the series. it's pretty long.

>>15705643
that's not an opinion I hear much desu. most people just kinda dislike rainwild chronicles but like the rest of the series

>>15704242
>screw around with someone older than you in the field you work in
>wont say no because weak willed and maybe that person would possibly try and fuck with their career
You cannot be fucking "groomed" at 25. You are a god damned adult, making their own god damned decisions. This fucking wreaks of someone simply regretting their choices and using current political climates as an opportunity to feel better about themselves. This shit is insane, why do people even bother with relationships anymore?

>>15700963
I've just finished Sirens of Titan and it was quite something. I'm not sure I'd recommend it to many, but it was interesting to read.

The ending is perplexing.

>>15706132
Thats how it always starts. Actual victims of horrible shit come out and speak up. Then every fuck who has regretted a one night stand or relationship or was slightly harassed or some guy was a sexist dick to her comes out and uses it as a weapon. Prime point in that link posted above. Bitch thinks she was groomed at 25 years old. Insanity

http://explosm.net/comics/5597

>>15701421
that croaker is way too handsome

>>15713484
>Soinide and Faggyness
NO

>>15705630
>I like how "domestic" it was, concentrating on family, friends, and home. I like how it glossed over unimportant stuff like the particulars of assassins training, and instead focused on how the characters feel about what they're going through
That's exactly why I didn't like it. Feeling instead of doing things has no place in fantasy especially one about assasins.

I actually love the whole way Hobb approaches assassins.

You think it's gonna be the typical fantasy stuff of flying across rooftops with daggers and all that jazz and instead he's just a diplomat who puts poison in people's food every now and then.

>>15704242
isn't lynch a virtue signaler? lmao

>>15713723
I was just thinking that a little earlier. After getting partway into the second book, I thought "this is very misleading for anyone looking for a story about assassins."

>>15713723
>especially one about assasins.
There are no assassinations taking place...

>>15711365
Lying slut.

>>15711365
>Maytera Marble
Does she have a vag...

Has anyone read Strugatsky bros The Snail on the Slope? How is it?

where can i read extended synopsis for Words of Radiance and first 3 books of Lightbringer series? i've read that so long ago that i don't really remember what happened in them and want to remind myself before reading the rest

>>15709245
I'm never gonna read this shit again tbqhwyf

Anyone read "Autonomous" by Annalee Newitz? Any good?

>>15700963
I just read 42 pages of Terry Pratchett's The Color of Magic, new to books as a hobby so I thought it'd be a fun way to ease myself in
started off well, city had blown up and two guys were watching it unfold, Rincewind comes out and says his companion caused it
then out of nowhere we're in some sort of dock with entirely new characters that disappear mere pages later, travelling to a tavern for fuck knows why, and I'm almost completely lost
very dry and confusing, there seems to be little explanation for events; I looked up a plot synopsis and it turns out Twoflower has hired Rince, there's this weird Patrician guy with them, someone has been kidnapped?
no idea, maybe I'm just a total brainlet but it feels very disjointed
should I start somewhere else, like the Watch arc?

>>15715004
Start with Mort, Small Gods or Guards! Guards!
Everyone agrees to come back to the first two books later if at all, even Pratchett did.

>>15700963
Currently 7 books have been nominated in the goodreads group. Nominations end in 7 hours. Discussion will be in the group.

>4 books in 'Blade Runner' series
>Philip K. Dick only wrote the first

Are they worth reading past 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?'

>>15715395
ew, probably not. (But no I have not read them).

>>15715395
You mean the ones written by K.W. Jeter? Dick thought he was a good writer. It's thought that if Dr Adder came out when it was written (10 years earlier) it would have been just as if not more influential than Do Androids Dream.
On the other hand, I wouldn't want to read sequels written by someone else, no matter how good the author is.

>>15715572
>Dr. Adder is an artist-surgeon, who modifies sexual organs of his patients to satisfy the weirdest of perversion

That sounds rad.
Shame it seems like most of his other stuff is just fanfic though.

>>15715592
>fanfic
jej you just reminded me about this Treasure Island fanfic I found in my grandad's shed

I want to cum in some adult's mother. Please. Books where milfs get young dick.

>>15715674
see;
>>15706090

>>15715608
Is that shitty Black Sails lmao?

>>15712776
when I have writer's block, the best thing for me to do is stop trying. i gave up trying to force the words out, and my work style tends to be short bursts of energy where I will write 20,000 words in a week then abandon it for the next 6 months.

>>15706690
That's not what pro-war means, unless you think there's nothing between complete pacifism and being "pro-war". Consider that the guy wrote almost exclusively about defensive wars. I think most people would rather shoot back than raise their hands and be assraped, doesn't make them pro-war in the slightest.

I'm new to fantasy books and I'm looking for nice recommendations of this genre, I usually like themes similar to journey of the hero.

I've only read the first two books of The Kingkiller Chronicle (which I thought it's very entertaining) and Steelheart (almost dropped it).

>>15713091
Maybe kiwi farms cover sci-fi/fantasy C-listers?

>>15716316
>Patrick Rothfuss
You dun goofed.

>>15716362
What age range to I need to be in to enjoy rothfuss?

Any SFF with this as a plot point? I need to COOM

>>15716502
Brown babies?
Probably self published

>>15716427
Not age range.
Cuck range.

Any good gunpowder fantasy?
I have an inch for it right now, but it seems like the only ones that have received any press are the Thousand Names and the Powder Mage series. Read both, thought they were okay, but not that great.

I finished Words of Radiance
Gonna give it a solid 8/10
Will read Edgedancer and then wait for October to read Oathbringer in preparation for fourth book
Just one question, other than Windbreaker, which other characters from Cosmere appear in Stormlight Archive?
I have heard Wit is from some book but I forgot

I want something like Prince of Nothing and Book of the New Sun
lots of internal monologues

>>15701205
Mother fucking is the most patrician choice

>>15717091
The total number of characters or groups (like the Ghostbloods) that have appeared from or traveled to other books/worlds is approaching ten. Several of those are revealed in the third book though. You can usually spot them when they use slang or idioms not of this world - like when sword-master Zahel and Azure use colors to color his phrasings, if not using outright different magic. There are some barely-mentioned characters too, like some no-name who used the world "soil" which isn't really a thing in Roshar.
Wit is from every Cosmere book, but with a different name.

>>15717201
Malazan BOTF, every chapter starts with an in-universe historical account, a poem, or philosophical writing, or whatever.

Are there any books where the hero actually ensures justice is served by seeing to it that the villain ends up suffering worse than their victims without retards acting like they're the villain for it?

>>15717510
>imposing modern americlap ideas of "justice" onto a fantasy world
why would anyone want to do that

>>15709237
Ye it's good, i like the way Roberson writes men-women relationships.
Del has nice legs on that cover too

>>15717510
Elric of Melnibone.

>>15717516
speaking as an american, my country is one where the only people with enough balls to enforce justice are the ones sociopathic enough need it enforced against them. Literally every decent person I know would rather forgive their enemy and let them off with a slap on the wrist because they're brainwashed into believing "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" instead of "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind to the fact that the shithole with the stick got his way and the victim didn't"

I wonder if Foundation being adapted will get new readers into the books like it did with Game of Thrones. Or is it way out there?

>>15715004
>I just read 42 pages of Terry Pratchett's The Color of Magic, new to books as a hobby so I thought it'd be a fun way to ease myself in
first few books are NOT indicative of what discworld as a whole is.

>>15712424
Yes

>>15717516
> Only american would like to see evil punished thoroughly and completely everyone else loves to see bad guys getting away or taking a slap on the wrist.
as anon american i feel insulted.

>>15717625
Personally I find the American proclivity for executing even innocent people - just so some blood gets spilled in retribution - repulsive, but just read Terry Goodkind. He's all about that kind of retarded Randroid fantasy.

>>15717338
Ok other than Warbreaker, what Cosmere books should I read before SA#4? I do find ghostbloods interesting.

>>15717719
i think you greatly misunderstand. im not endorsing executing innocent people. im endorsing torturing those who murder innocent people to make sure they suffer worse than their victims did. that includes the swine

>>15717789
The Mistborn books, all six. There's at least one minor character from there too. And after those you can read most of Arcanum Unbound, or at least the parts with the worlds you are familiar with. It is at this point where the wordhopping is starting to get shown, and you see Wit (or Hoid) a bit more. You don't really need to read Elantris just yet, maybe years later when he possibly writes a sequel to it.

>>15717923
>not sure who did it
>torture convenient bystander
I mean being on death row for 30 years is pretty much torture

>>15716020
Basically, but instead of Flint being gay, he is a literally cuckold.

What are some fantasy series with a big main party? i've been reading too much Sword & Sorcery and i want to read about group banter

I'm only 3 pages into The Darkness that Comes before but what the hell is a Kuniuric war cry meant to be Bakker? This is worse than Herbert with his Gom Jobbar stuff. I'm enjoying it though so far

>>15718352
Bakker takes a lot of his influence for Herbert

>>15715088
Selections have begun and will run until the end of the month.

Is the Licanius trilogy any good?

What is the greatest science fiction novel of the past fifty years?

>>15718808
Hyperion duh

>>15718808
dhalgren

>>15718808
Childhood’s End, Dune, Enders Game, Foundation, Hyperion, I Robot, Neuromancer, Rendezvous With Rama, The Forever War

take your pick.

>>15718913
>reddit the list

>>15718915
post yours

>>15718915
How does some of the most critically acclaimed sci-fi books of all time imply reddit? Come on then, impress us with your picks.

Can I get suggestions for sci-fi novels from the 50s through the 70s? Just looking for older, vintage sci-fi paperback/pulpy type stuff.

>>15718913
>Enders Game

And it was an alright list to begin with. Shame.

>>15719072
who cares if Card is a nut job or not, it's still a great book though you could argue Speaker For The Dead is the better novel.

>>15719043
The Stars My Destination

>>15718992
>>15718943
snow crash

>>15719192
>It's a great book

No, it's shallow YA shit written by an incestious Mormon freak.

>>15718785
It’s pretty ok. The third book is kind of mediocre but it’s an overall fun read.

Having a hard time finding a good epub of Dune Messiah. What sources do you usually go to?

Any great fantasy with merpeople in it?

>>15719417
irc but I'm in bed now so I'm not gonna check for it

>>15719417
libgen.is or nothing desu

>>15719508
Doesn't load. What's the secret?

>>15719514
I don't know. Loads fine for me.

>>15719417
.li if you have to use a proxy like me in the uk

http://libgen.li/foreignfiction/item/index.php?md5=d1c7825093c40f6a8d8faab1e7a066cf

>>15719532
Worked like a charm. Thanks.

>>15704242
Lol and these are the uggos involved in this. Revolting

>>15704242
>I was terrified she’d spread rumors about me being a homewrecker -- I was young and pretty and redheaded, after all.
Lol naw bitch

>>15719329
>coming in the gri general and thinking incestuous is an insult

>>15712424
Nope. Abercrombie is pretty great.

>>15719798
I would nut in her in missionary, while staring deep into her eyes, and leave her a single mother...
Maybe that is my backed up state speaking, and I need to have sex.

>>15719941
This is your african ancestry speaking.

>>15719775

They are like clones. I feel like I'm looking at one of those dog pics where the dog looks exactly like the owner. Their hairlines even match. How can you not be impressed?

>being outsmarted by some half-mad one-handed shepherd boy in politicking
Egwene is such a shitter

>>15719945
I haven't nutted in 2 months. I'm used to cooming twice a day, anon. I would probably fuck a pig if you put a nice wig and make up on it right now.

>>15719946
>where the dog looks exactly like the owner

>>15718785
Best thing I’ve read in the last ten years

>>15720494
>I would probably fuck a pig if you put a nice wig and make up on it right now.
here you go

>>15720509

Prove me wrong anon.

>>15720716
She looks like a slampiggie. I bet she does anal.

>>15720849
I wasn't disagreeing with you, anon...

>>15720903

Weren't you, anon? Weren't you?

>>15719417
Irc

>>15720956

Any books that invoke this feel?

>>15701497
You are not wrong.

Has anyone here read Kirkill Eskov's "the last ring bearer"? The sample paragraph on wikipedia makes it seem very euphoric
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer

>>15717654
There's too much business and office talk about it. While it's wonderful it would make a boring ass show/movie

>>15721207
Coincidentally it also makes a boring ass book.

>>15711389
Hold on, there are cute pixies in stormlight? Picked up, sanderlad may not be a hack after all.

>>15704242
>He asked me to go out with him, and he lied about having an open relationship with Bear. I said yes, conditional on Bear being okay with it and me having an opportunity to talk to her first. When she found out, she was--understandably--furious. So I turned 360 degrees and walked away.

>>15716750
Those two are the big ones.

Temeraire by Naomi Novik is probably the third biggest and is basically Hornblower but with intelligent dragons, more of a adventure series.

Guns of the Dawn by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Solid standalone novel.

Glen Cook's Instrumentalities series is a Early Modern setting, the story opens with a soldier killing a demon with a canon loaded with silver coins, now humanity finally has a weapon against the dark. Sadly the series got canceled while he was writing the third book so it has a really rushed ending in the 4th, but I still like it.

https://twitter.com/sf_boswell/status/1276364713794973696
>Remember how Elizabeth Bear basically *started* RaceFail, traumatized and gaslit a bunch of BIPOC fans + authors, never really apologized, and now gets to be seen as a super-progressive SFF author?

>Being a white woman is a hell of a drug.

>In Elizabeth Bear's last post on RaceFail, she says RaceFail was turning her into a racist, actually.

>Yeah, she pulled the classic abuser/ white liberal "calling me out on racism actually makes me more racist" excuse.

lmao

>>15721527
Wonder who’s paying for her to go be an absolute nut job and get a PhD in fucking sci-fi Or Caribbean literature

Love that Malcolm x quote when this idiot doesn’t understand that he’s talking HER

>>15721527
Also these white liberal women are so wildly out of touch with reality, they are all “black lives matters” and then they have a mental breakdown because a man tries to flirt with them....

They’d kill themselves if they had to spend a day in a black majority area

>read botns
Wow this dude is pretty manly

>read wizard knight
Holy fuck this kid beats the shit out of everyone he meets

>>15701205
>be me
>hmm scifi general I've been reading some scifi lately, let's check for good recs in the general
>this post
>okay well bye

>just finished book of babel 2

Is Senlin going to make it bros?

>>15711517
Is there any point in reading more Egan if I didn't like Permutation City?
The premise could be cool as a 20-page short story, but it's nowhere near enough to carry a 200-page novel. And there's basically nothing there other than the basic idea - the characters are 1d cardboard cutouts, the plot doesn't really exist, no drama, action, conflict, suspense, or anything else.
Accelerando or Blindsight do the hard-scifi-with-a-plot thing way better.

>>15721839
There are a thing such as snow bunnies... More ghetto than some ghetto black girls.

opinions?

>>15722595
All of the main cyberpunk authors are now (maybe always were) centre-right libs. With William Gibson being the absolutely funniest one to contrast his most famous writing with his current politics.
This probably explains why the genre is so easily "misunderstood" because despite revolving around an extreme form of capitalism most cyberpunk just uses it as a setting for a conspiracy thriller instead of interrogating it.

>>15722595
Can I get a tl;dr? Btw, how do I downvote people? This place isn't like r/fantasy at all.

>>15722595
The author made the other guy's biceps smaller on purpose.

>>15722756
nooo you can't just like something without seeing it through a leftist viewpoint
it was supposed be against capitalism not with it

>>15722699
>This probably explains why the genre is so easily "misunderstood" because despite revolving around an extreme form of capitalism most cyberpunk just uses it as a setting for a conspiracy thriller instead of interrogating it.

I think you just kind of misunderstand the genre. The fact that the societies are capitalist is itself not relevant, the point is that these corporations are running everything and the governments are totally incapable of stopping them. The point is, the law only matters if you can enforce it, and as technology advances, governments become less and less able to enforce basic protective laws. This results in a contrast where you have extremely draconian enforcement for the limited scope of crimes the government can throw their weight around on, while simultaneously having thugs and rioters running around making chaos with no fear of repercussion.
These setting default to hyper-capitalism simply because that's the only economic model that makes any sense in a universe where governments are outdated, impotent dinosaurs that are fundamentally unable to enforce law and order.

>>15705244
The Terms of Enlistment series by Marko Kloos is fun af

Same thing with Renegade by Joel Shepard, if you can get past the dopey "everyone's a minority in the future" cliche. Absolutely no bearing on the plot though

>Brainlet reading 'Do Androids Dream'
>Only a few chapters in

So the 'Voigt-Kampff Empathy Test' is basically just to see how someone reacts to harming animals, right? Because they live in a world where owning organic animals is seen as 'humanistic'.
But then Deckard threw her a curveball, and asked her how she felt about his 'Baby Skinned Briefcase', which delayed her 'emotional/physical' response because the androids don't consider humans animals, right? Like she had to consider what the correct response would be to pass the test, hence the delay.

Am I understanding this right? Or did I miss the point entirely?

>>15718352
get used to that. he likes to randomly reference things that clearly need an intelligent/well-written infodump but then decides to punt on actually explaining.

the asshole does the same thing for his philosophy and instead retreats back into screeds on his website about "cRaSh sPaCe oF mEaNiNg!!". so if you can deal with ultimately not knowing what he's trying to get at and instead just want some thoughts for your spankbank, read on.

>>15718913
Childhood's End, Dune, Foundation, and I Robot were all published well before 1970.

basic arithmetic --> 2020 - 50 = 1970

>>15723151
not if they'd had new editions since

>>15722840
one could argue that you see that in current america with the looting/iconoclasm/struggle sessions, and yet i wouldn't say USA is hyper capitalist. i think cyberpunk would work in any kind of setting with weak institutions, regardless of source

>>15723160
that's probably the dumbest thing you could argue. the prior poster asked for best books of the last 50 years and you willfully interpret that to encompass new editions. stop being obtuse and acknowledge that you didn't read all of the original post before dropping a duce on this thread.

>>15722899
It's to test empathy for other living things, since the andies aren't really 'alive'

>>15723189
True, but I think for the stereotypical cyberpunk future you need institutions that can rise up to fill the power vacuum left by a weak government. Under capitalism, it's obviously going to be corporations, each competing amongst themselves to provide a specific product or service. Under communism, all I can see rising up are criminal gangs and corrupt officials, which I think would resemble more like a neo-feudal society. Think of the cartels in Columbia.

It would actually make for a pretty interesting story set in a future world where both capitalist and communist societies evolved into cyberpunk dystopias, and how the two contrast.

>>15722275
Try Axiomatic.

man I just can't get hooked by a book atm, happens every summer no matter what I read and how much I read in spring

>>15723879
You need a comfy summer read, anon.

Grab yourself Don Quixote, and enjoy until Autumn.

>>15704293
Butcher is a machine. I respect the hell out of him for remaining active and prolific while so many authors keep whining about how HARD it is to write a book in these trying times.

I don't know what Lynch's excuse is anymore.

>>15724132
Lynch was the same as Butcher.
Divorce, then remarriage.
Only problem is, while Butcher didn't put out Dresden books, he put out other books during his troubles... Lynch on the other hand didn't put anything out.

FUCK
E
WILLIAM
BROWN

>>15724159
I wish Butcher would write stuff other than Dresden again. I really liked Codex Alera but i the last book in that series was kinda shit. It felt off or rushed but generally i really liked the series much more than Dresden Files.

>>15716532
Upboat

>>15721501
>Agreeing to being in an open relationship
What is wrong with leftists?

>>15722840
The law is essentially enforced by corporations in most cyberpunk settings. The government might have nominal control, but it typically follows one of two patterns: 1) law enforcement is completely dependent on tech that is sold / leased to them by mega corps, essentially integrating corporations into law enforcement departments, or 2) police and government are nakedly corrupt and simply sell their services to the wealthiest bidder, in this case massive corporations.

>>15704242
retard leftists infighting is good

>>15703554
>Female author
Ha ha hee hoo ha hee hoo ha hee hoo ha ha hee hoo

Read Gene Wolfe.

>>15724752
Got the Fifth Head of Cerberus and Latro in the Mist on deck. One more book and I'll start those.

I just bought The Way of Kings because it was recommended by an author I like. I'm excited for a long series to dig my teeth into. I'll let you know what I think of the series in approx. 6 years. Please remember this post.

>>15711487
No.

>>15724963
I can already guarantee you'll come away disappointed. Sanderson always fucks up his endings.

>>15724963
Sanderson is the lamest example of milquetoast bullshit I've ever read, I guarantee he's never done a day of work in his life or seen a naked woman

>>15725507
>>15725568
Well I'll still give it a try. It was 7.50 on Amazon so hardly a sacrifice, and there's worse sins than reading a bad book. I'm trying to go into it with an open mind. I remember seeing many of the criticisms surrounding his work being that he drones on about magic endlessly, but GRRM is equally guilty of never shutting the fuck up and people still adore his work. That's my logic anyway, maybe there will be something I can enjoy, or at the very least laugh at if the writer really is a KHV.

>>15724721
Stormfags really did a number on this place.

>>15724963
>I'll let you know what I think of the series in approx. 6 years
Jokes on you. It will be 30 years before this series is finished. The schedule was a stormlight book every 2 years, with a space inbetween book 5 and 6... And that time probably increased, because he took three years to write YA shit nobody asked for.
He only released 3 books so far. 7 books remaining. 7x2 = 14 more years + the time off between book 5 and 6.

>>15725763
Pretty sure Sanderson is married. People just make fun of him because he's a Mormon.

>>15725763
People hate Sanderson because he's very cookie-cutter. He was a big fan of Wheel of Time and Robert Jordan which was basically another Tolkien/LOTR ripoff except it was pretty good. As long as you know you're getting general/ well established fantasy and don't expect anything different, you'll be just fine.

>>15704242
No matter how dogshit this board and website get, somehow, it will still be the best available option. I went to check the Reddit megathread, and the mods locked it and deleted pretty much every comment even offering discussion. The entire thread is either shitty instagram-tier memes in fucking text form or white night condolences to a grown woman.

25 fucking years old and can't make a good decision? Got a cunt between your legs? No problem! Just blame it on a random male and the world will come to your aid! Unironically can't wait for the next WW. We all know it's coming, let's hope it's bad enough to remind people what real issues look like.

>>15725884
>Wheel of Time ... was pretty good
Your opinion is disregarded.

>>15725848
>>15725882
>>15725884
Well I'll let you know what I think of the first one in a few weeks or so.

>>15725885
With all the equality shit. I hope trannies and women are sent on the front lines to fight. Then they will really know what it's like to be raped. I hope when they are forcing people to fight, the literal retards and women who cry how they are equal will also be rounded up.

>>15725945
Doubt that'll ever happen, the only thing that will change American women is if the country is invaded. If its not, they will spend the entire war making it about themselves, whining about how hard it is to be single mothers or to do all the work from home without once stepping foot on foreign soil. The hope is that if a WW breaks out and its truly atrocious, like hundreds of millions dead bad, the men of this country will grow a spine and force the women to realize what is and is not important. The other alternative is the rest of the world grows up, and eager to not be the butt of the joke, the women will wise up.

>>15725978
please have sex

>>15726331
You available?

>>15725568
>I guarantee he's never done a day of work in his life
That's because he worked the night shift. And wrote his to-be-rejected early books while doing so.

What are some fun harem litrpg /lit/ without the rpg elements nor the harem? I just want something with the comfy aspect of these novels without the crap.

>>15725568
didn't he work as a missionary in asia or something?

>>15726568
All mormons do a trip like that where they go and give natives the flu and kill them

Please recommend some kids' lit with some romance subplot in it.

>>15725885
>>15725945
>>15725978
do you fucks ever read anything rec'd from these threads? How often do you read anything that isn't other posts from your incel echo chamber? I don't know which is more pathetic, the fact that neither of you can deeply read literature to develop some level of empathy to NOT endlessly spew the same hateful shit day on and day on, or your stance on this bullshit that matters to no one outside of 4chan. I've never read anything by Lynch and don't have any hand in this, though anyone can be emotionally abused from any age, but if reddit mods want to at least ignore the problem instead of filling their threads with the same incel opinions that make of 50% of these threads, good on them. I like the recs better on /lit/ than I see on reddit, that is why I browse/read this site. Maybe you should throw your meritless thoughts away and just do the same.

>>15726552
Stay away from Logan Jacobs, J A Cipriano, Harmon Cooper, Eric Vall, etc

>>15726667
Why did you (you) me, faggot?
I responded to the WWIII aspect of the post. Not Lynch and that bitch looking for her 5 mins. Neck yourself faggot. Why should I empathize with some bitch? You think she would help me if she saw me on the street? Simps like you are the ones enabling these bitches.

>>15726667
youre screaming into the wind, nobody cares. 25 year olds can be abused, 25 year olds cannot be groomed.

>>15726552
It doesn't work like that, especially when what you consider "comfy" about them is entirely vague.

>>15726552

Why is it that these past two months have been dry as fuck when it comes to new releases?

>>15726997
scifi was strong last month but june is always slower from what I remember only december is worse

>>15726667
Have sex incel, serious

>>15726961
Is this some trick they self-pub authors use? Put it up as some obscure category so it's the #1?

>>15726997
>>15727026
it's because late spring/early summer is awards season so the only stuff that gets put out are sequels and lower buzz/expectation debuts since all the sales press is going on the awards nom/winner books which all came out earlier in the year/last year.
From about August on you'll get sequels to hits and books publishers are willing to promote.
Of course covid fucked the cycle up somewhat so I have no idea how sales are going and if that's affecting stuff
>>15727049
People used to do that all the time with podcasts lol, they'd always try to find a subcategory so itunes wouldn't just bury them in comedy

>>15727026
With traditional publishing, yes. Why are the self pubbed fags copying the trad pubbed industry release habits?

>>15727083
because they get access to basic sales charts telling them what months sell best
if nothing else I suspect self-pub shit like litrpg will normally want to wait on school holidays

>>15726667
How is it that NOT crucifying a man for HAVING CONSENSUAL SEX WITH A 25 YEAR OLD hateful? you ratter we just jumped in and cheered on having him cancelled? on having his books pulled out of stores?

>>15725765
cope, seethe, dilate and literally shake faggot

>>15727234
have sex incel

The lynch stuff sounds like the usual fallout from poly nerf shit (seriously why are so many hardcore nerds in poly groups?) but a bunch of pretty reliable authors and one I actually know all say that Bear's version of events at least for what happened at the cons is closer to the truth so I've got no idea why Rowland tried to "cancel" them.

Probably just breakup fallout or something. Dumb move by her really as her first two books are pretty good so she'd probably have taken off soonish.

THIS IS SO BORING
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
TOLKIEN IS A HACK

>>15703428
To me it looks that way because by the end he fully embraces his future and has no option but to follow the script of his life. That's why maybe it sounds cliché coming from him, if well not from the other characters. If you liked Dune enough, try Messiah. While not that action packed, the philosopical writing and development of Paul's character is very much improved.

Ironically, 4chan is less toxic in various ways than other social media sites.

>>15724132
Hasn't Butcher stalled out in recent years?

The thread which is new.
>>15727646

>>15724531
What's wrong with being in an open relationship and why would that be exclusive to leftists? The biggest polyamory-prone subculture I know is explicitly made up of alt-centrists.