/lit/ - Literature

did you make that? It's good. Saved.

>>15676116
Haven't read enough to put together a coherent chart but anyone who's doing that might want to look into Durkheim's "Suicide" and "Forms". They're extremely interesting. Not really political philosophy so much as social philosophy in the late 19th century.

>>15676116
>Jason Brennan
Lol. he's such a fraud.

Does anyone have any good charts when it comes to eastern thought? Trying to explore Hindu and Buddhist philosophy

>>15676153
I didn't but it's definitely one of my favorites, glad you like it too

Bump

I saved some.

I wish lit allowed dumping.

Looking for one specific chart. It was about comfy lit and was classified by how childish to adult it was and how sober vs comedic it was. Thanks in advance /lit/.

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>>15677260
saved. thanks butterfly.

any for south asia (besides india)?
southeast asia?
tropical africa?

Based butterfly

Bump for Eastern philosophy charts

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But what is Nature? Why should we preserve it?

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>>15677596
Thanks anon!

Got anything for Hindu philosophy by chance?

>>15677024
I don't think either Miyazaki and Evola would be happy to be together on the same chart...

>>15676998
How does it feel knowing Rojava is gonna get fucked and your gonna die at 80 and the world is still gonna just be liberal democracy?

Anybody got that Satan chart with Paradise Lost?

>>15676153
i made it, thanks for thanking me

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>>15677746
Do you guys have one of those in english? I was trying to find a good history book about the middle ages recently

For anyone who wants to into Baudrillard, here's a chart I made with help from an anon

Any good charts for architecture?

>>15677754
>world is still gonna just be a liberal democracy
Climate change will end democracy.

>>15678834
Do you have something like this for other authors/philosophers/political thinkers?
And what are some prerequisites for Baudrillard?

>>15678853
lol sure

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>>15678866
It won't be a good replacement though, it'll be a military dictatorship.

>>15678854
Assuming you're passingly familiar with Marxist economics/freud/sociology you can start from that chart if you wanna dive right in. If you want to take more time, The Gift by Mauss, The Accursed Share (1-3) by Bataille and Society of the Spectacle were heavily influential on Baudrillard.
I don't have any other charts but is there a specific person you want to get into? Let me know and I'll set you up.

>>15678899
Nothing is gonna happen. Climate change isn't real.

>>15677586
Read some environmental history for that. William Cronon is a good start.

>>15677260
Kollontai doesn't get enough love. We stan a queen

>>15678903
Thanks for the thorough reply.
>is there a specific person you want to get into?
Spinoza and Deleuze.

>>15678903
Damn, seeing a Bataille namedrop is rare. This is a good thread

>>15679002
I'm assuming that because you're interested in these philosophers you're fairly intelligent. Spinoza's Ethics, followed by Tractatus Theologico-politicus, then Deleuze's book on Spinoza. I'd recommend Deleuze's works that are directly on a topic, like his writings on Proust, Nietzsche or Cinema. The only thing is, you have to be familiar with the concept he's analyzing. He's most graspable when he's applying philosophy to an object, rather than when he's expanding his own concepts like in Difference and Repetition. His work with Guattari is also some of his more difficult work, it assumes you have a solid foundation in both freud and lacan.
>>15679040
His concepts of General Economy and the Accursed Share are unironically some of the most useful concepts for understanding humanity.

>>15679054
Based on your answer, I think I'll go something like this: Ethics -> Tractatus -> Deleuze on Spinoza -> Deleuze on Cinema.
Thanks.

>>15679144
No problem, nice dubs. If you're into film check out Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time, it goes well with Deleuze's writings on cinema.

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>>15676116
Thanks, saved all of these. It's nice that /lit/ is still able to have nice, productive threads like these with people who actually like reading, as opposed to the usual anti-women/antisemitic/racist/etc. threads

>>15679201
Fuck off fag. I agree with the first part, but there is plenty of leftist bullshit too.

>>15679169
>Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time
Already did, but thanks nonetheless.

>>15679196
The real tragedy of this chart is that it excludes his essays. His early prose essays are excellent, and his speeches he would later deliver are equally great. His plays, especially The Misunderstanding and Caligula are top-tier as well. Camus meant for his work to be read as a whole, rather than just what's sold at stores today.
>>15679237
Yeah I figured you might have.

>>15679232
Sure, but the leftist shit isn't (as) toxic.

>>15679273
Anyone got more on sci-fi?

>>15679269
>things I find more agreeable aren't as toxic to me

No shit. The racism doesn't bother me so its not toxic to me like the leftist tripe is. Not white so I actually don't have the oikophobia that would make me a self hating 'anti-racist.' That said, this is an excellent thread.

>>15678906
Nothing is gonna happen because we live in the age of nothing happening

>>15679295
I don't want to ruin a nice thread with an argument, so I won't be taking the bait. Have a nice day!

>>15678779
>Dictionary of the Khazars
Extremely based, glad to see one of my favorites on one of these charts.

>>15678906
Your gonna feel really silly in twenty years anon.

hundreds of charts here -> https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts

>>15679411
Thanks for the chart, im reading altered carbon and was wondering where i could find similar stuff.

>chart thread

>>15677260
Actually not a bad dump. A few charts I've never seen. Based butters. Now kill yourself tranny

>>15678851
Here's one

I finished the short fiction chart from a couple days ago.

>>15680076
Hey. How'd you find this photo of me? delete it, please.

Anyone have any Jung charts?

>>15677641
Not the guy you're asking but I'd recc just Upanishads and Bhadavad Gita, in that order, and you'll have a basic introduction.

Any starters on getting into modern psychology and just learning how people think differently?

>>15680764
Pick any other discipline instead of modern psychology. Post-structuralism, semiotics, phenomenology, literally anything other than psychology if you want to learn how people work.

>>15679248

The odyssey isn't fantasy and game of thrones isn't god tier.

>>15680840
Then any books relating to those disciplines?

>>15680929
The Accursed Share by Bataille, volumes 1-3
The Paris Lectures by Husserl
Elements of Semiology by Barthes

>>15676116
It's a great chart but should probably include Imperium by Negri & Hardt in Continental section. Also, at least one book by Chomsky.

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>>15677746
Ah, fuckoff, ya bloody frogs

>>15679201
It’s both /pol/ and lefty/pol/ spammers and it’s fucking ruining this board. It’s always been a problem, but I feel that post-2016 it’s only gotten worse and I think right now is a particularity bad time for 4chan in general

>>15679248
Lol is this parody?

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Can you all explain to me what this communalism/ecophilosophy is? I really like being in nature and I feel humans naturally belong their and not in stupid big cities. Whats the jist of those two concepts?

>>15679201
nigger spic women suck you're jewish
why do you even fucking care fagass? who even gives a shit about any of this? just let me fucking read

Does someone have the mega link all the charts (not the wiki one)?

>>15681663
I've been looking for this too. They should add it to the sticky desu.

>>15681625
A sampling of John 3:16 from the Hawai'ian pidgin Bible:
>God wen get so plenny love an aloha fo da peopo inside da world, dat he wen send me, his one an ony Boy, so dat everybody dat trus me no get cut off from God, but get da real kine life dat stay to da max foeva.

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>>15681685
Got you covered, anons
https://mega.nz/folder/JrhSyY6S#7qmTPol52TnmpFOdbag7RQ
I agree that it should be added to the sticky, it's the most monumental collection of charts that I know of.

>>15681704
Thanks fren

>>15680725
I remember these threads. I’m glad we got a chart out of them

>>15677009
A few months ago you claimed Dostoevsky hated women and was anti-female, right before you admitted never reading any of his work. How do you keep that saved, doesnt the sexism melt your harddrive?

>>15680840
Why is modern psychology a bad discipline to try and learn? Curious your reasoning. Philosophy has never interested and seems like it's 90% of this board.

>>15679722
You'd love Radiguet
you rascal, you

>>15677253
I've been reading thru this chart lately, its good shit

>>15679163
Cobb by Al Stump is filled with bullshit, it doesn't belong on the chart

>>15681625
hahahaa

>>15681844
To keep it short, I have a background in working with kids who are either unable to function in the school system, or have special needs like being severely disabled. The main issue I have with psychology is its ridiculous focus on models of human behavior, rather than actually interacting with the individuals you are charged with. If you find a series of behaviors where only 80% of them fit into a given model (disorder, mental illness, etc) you find a model that overlaps and assign treatment based off that. Additionally, the sheer infusion of pop-psychology and pop-sci into the minds of 'professionals' has led to retarded behaviors on behalf of my colleagues. It's a discipline that sounds great on paper, given our cultural love of models and paradigms, but when put into contact with reality it's an absolute failure.

>>15680076
damn... this one hit me so hard

>>15677596
requesting more spirtual charts

>>15679287
Good list but should be updated with modern ones.
The Bobiverse series is great and The Expanse is decent.

>>15681799
Must have been an imposter. I haven’t given Dostoevsky much thought over the years. I do want to get into more Russian lit, but I would be more careful over themes overly “anti-female” whether that’s a fair charge or not.
I liked A Hero for Our Times.

>>15681527
The return to nature motif has been around as long as there’s been big cities. Writers and everyone else have felt more at ease with more natural forms being better than less. Now with impending ecocide it’s been fully taken into socialist thought (with “eco fascism” always trailing to keep up). It’s just common sense. And I believe we have to meld the technological advances with the so-called “primitivist” strains to make this work.

>>15682756
Strange. I've always held that though for some reason. I believe Humans belong to nature - should I start reading into this genre then? I feel I'm part of the primitive strain as well

Anyone got any charts on anthropology or mythology?

>>15683545
As the earth heats up, famine lands will spread.

>>15683914
Okay, before I try to respond to whatever the fuck you just said - why are you a tripfag...?

>>15683924
Why are you such an avid collector of cringe-jacks?

>>15679285

Read Mechwarrior/Battletech

>>15683942
How did you know I was a collector. I thought I only posted one jack on this thread

>>15682756
Damn. I had no idea butters. I apologize.

>>15677004
based quenau

>>15679411
Is there a similar chart with more nonfic relating to futurism and transhumanism.

>>15679411
Is Snow Crash good?

>>15680700
Note that this one has been criticized.

>>15676217
Care to elaborate?

>Universal vote is fucking useless

What's so wrong about the educated having more electoral power than the uneducated? benefits would be far greater than an alleged "discrimination" against the dumbfucks responsible for the failing of representative democracy.

>>15679202
The Song Of Kali is such utter fucking shite. It's just a few hundred pages of "eww India is dirty and smelly."

why have a thread when there is a mega for charts sorted into categories lol

https://mega.nz/folder/JrhSyY6S#7qmTPol52TnmpFOdbag7RQ

>>15677024
Why the FUCK isn't ecological conservation a right wing thing? Everything's fucked.

>>15684650
Neocons somehow convinced Anglo boomers that free market capitalism and environmental destruction paired with social conservatism.

>>15678903
If you're still here, or if you see this, I'd like to get some reccs for Foucault and Derrida, I haven't read much philosophy at all though.

agricultural recs?

>>15680725
Any other charts on poetry? There are quite too few, and all of them mention the same poets all over again: Shakespeare, Frost, Eliot, Donne, Milton, Whitman, and sometimes a woman that's either Dickinson or Plath

>>15679231
This one got me

>>15679231
this was a ride

What does /lit/ think about this? I want to get into mathematics somehow.

>>15685168
I liked the looks of this one

>>15679516
Climate change is real but thats just a stupid comment. Imagine how insecure you have to be to look back 20 years and think about how a single comment you made was incorrect.

bump

Anyone got a chart for Arabic lit?

>>15679516
If it was as bad as the scientists say why aren't they more up in arms about it? If I thought the world was gonna end in 20 years I wouldn't just make some blog posts once in a while I would be making as much noise as possible.

Anyone got some conservative charts? Conservative not fascist shit.

>>15679226
Hmm interesting. I've read one of his pop books which was beyond shit - totally unsystematic and rambling, essentially equivalent to his talks, and so on. But I do wonder if his philosophically dense stuff is worth the effort.

>>15687203
>conservative...
...is just progressive on slow mode for retards.

No thanks.

>>15682756
What is nature? What is natural?

Was there nature before the city? Don't we have the city to thank for nature?

>>15679403
Oh shit I got this for free literally yesterday - looked promising tho I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before

>>15687243
Isn't any essentialist concept of nature inherently fascistic? (Just as essentialist gender, race etc.) That the motif exists only raises further questions, why the romantic naivete all of a sudden, why halt the project of total nihilistic deconstruction?

>>15687249
Enjoy the ride, anon

>>15687233
Are you retarded?

>>15687262
Are we going to pretend we have any more of a platform than contempt? Is contempt rhizomatic?

>>15679226
He said in a youtube-interview to start with Event and/or Absoute Recoil

>>15687183
>Quran
>Aristotle commentaries
>1001 nights
>Romantic poets
>one or two personal favourites without any real significant influence
here you go, now you can make it yourself

>>15684932
The thing about Derrida is you have to be familiar with what he's 'deconstructing' in a given essay. As for Foucault, I've always found starting with The Order of Things to be the best intro to his style of (rather dense) writing. You can go anywhere from there.

>>15684504
lol I will jump right onto the red book and bid farewell to my sanity

>>15685282
Horrible meme graph. If you're a beginner, use Khan Academy for basic maths up to highschool, then start on learning logic, set theory, and proofs. After that, go into Linear Algebra, Analysis (rigorous calculus), etc. There's absolutely no reason to read Basic Mathematics as a beginner and anyone who recommends you do that before even trying to learn proofs/logic is trolling you.

>>15687578
p.s when I say basic maths up to highschool, I mean everything up to Algebra 2 and trigonometry (what retards call precalc).

>>15687578
Give books on Logic & Set Theory and Proofs.

>>15687592
The books on proofs and set theory in the image are actually pretty good, How to Prove It is a classic (although "structured" teachings of proofs aren't really a complete thing, it's mostly practiced through just constant repetition of formulating and reading proofs). I haven't read the other proof book. For logic, "Introduction to Mathematical Logic" by Mendelson is good.

If you just want to be an engimonkey or code nigger none of the rigorous stuff like that is needed though, you would just learn the Calculus's and differential equations along with introductory Linear Algebra. What I'm describing is a proper, basic pure mathematical education.

>>15684504
note: do not read Carl Jung

Anyone have a history of Western Philosophy timeline or flowchart type thing like this that doesn't just look like AIDS and is a bit more interactive / accessible for normies getting into philosophy?

>>15687733
Just go to the sticky and read the guide on starting with the Greeks.

>>15687733
Is there a specific topic or thinker you want to get into? If not, spend a few hours browsing SEP and see what you like.

Anyone have a good chart on sociology? Our authors seem to show up in the occasional politics, philosophy, or economics charts but we never have one of our own

any chart on rethorics?

>>15681992
>Radiguet
i plan to read Le Diable au corps soon

>>15677004

Thanks for this!!! I'm super into short stories and needed new books (••)

>>15681756
save it and share it my friend

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>>15687243
Check the dictionary
Check the dictionary
Obviously
No, of course not.

>>15678834
Thanks, anon. I've been looking for a chart like this for a while!

>>15680725
no ashbery?

>>15678834
hey anon am i supposed to start at critique of the political economy or simulcra? thx for making this, it looks very helpful

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Any charts of Scottish literature?

>>15680183
lol

>>15693945
Alasdair Grey

>>15684543
unironically based

>>15685381
it's not about the comment you retard, it's about the opinion. Kill yourself, you half-wit sperg.

>>15687193
Ever heard of eco-terrorism? Have you seen the kind of stuff Greenpeace does? People are loud about it, but the government doesn't want people to panic, and the media is told to report on uplifting or sensational stories. The issue has also become largely political, so conservative media outlets won't report on it because they think it'll negatively affect business if people start hearing "the world is going to end" every day.

>>15687273
Yes. Got something against retards? I'm retarded, and I'm still smarter than you.

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>>15684543
It, frankenstein, the monk.... a lot of it is shite

Any charts for Jewish literature?

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>>15694932

looking for a chart, something along the lines of "the romans for plebs", i remember it had the hbo series and goldsworthy's biography on it. couldn't find it on the wiki

can any anon help a man out

>>15683676
Please...

>>15676116

ANybody got any more French writer charts

>>15687578
proof techniques can be learnt without introductory proof classes, in fact that's the approach in most of the world outside of anglophone countries.

>>15680840
A book about group think or mob mentality would be interest here

>>15685282
Tell me your background and what your goal is and I'll recommend some books to you.

>>15678779
This chart leaves out the most obvious one, Lucifer by Vondel.