/lit/ - Literature

start with the Greeks

>>15627445
Not what I'm looking for, queer.

>>15627472
It literally is.

>>15627439
why?

>>15627439
>Schizo-tier ideas
Time Cube, TempleOS. Don't just be a mere LARPer, take insanity seriously and create your own schizo path.

>>15627439
White pill unironically best one.

>>15627472
You're not going to understand the shit you're trying to read without having some kind of grounding in the Greeks, Egyptians, and sumerians

>>15627439
>that image
Start with reddit

>>15627439
This looks like someone from reddit made their own version

>>15627615
I've read a ton of Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Thucydides, Epictetus, etc. I'm not sure why it's assume I don't have a foundation in the Greeks. I'm familiar with Gilgamesh and have read a bunch of Egyptian poetry, much of which derives from the Book of the Dead.

I WANT PURPLE PILL COME ON

>>15627439

>>15627699
Nice, this looks helpful. Thank you.

>You've stopped taking your medicine. What’s wrong?

>>15627694
Read more of the Greeks retard. Read a bunch more Greek and Sumerian. Read Hindu lit. Ancient Germanic lit. Then, when you think you're ready, give the fuck up because you aren't ready and you never will be unless you fucking borderline destroy yourself and suffer constantly.

>>15627439
Start with three things:
Read the greeks and egyptions, focus on mythology.
Start writing, blindly, anything at all. Draw as well, even if it's bad. Find an artistic medium that calls to you.
Embrace your inner madness. Talk to yourself about yourself, out loud. Explore your psyche, your insecurities, and the reasons your mind creates to answer questions you pose to yourself.
Next, find more esoteric things to read, and get in the habit of reading them. Easy targets are Jung, books describing psychology, books about religious rituals, and conspiracy/paranormal theory sites.
Next start performing rituals. The easiest and most primitive is sacrifice. Begin by making a goal, and sacrificing something to it. Continue making sacrifices until you reach this goal. Your sacrifice must be ritualized, it can be a crude ritual, but should require you to perform a sequence of deliberate actions taken at a specific place.
Once you have attained your first goal, meditate on the rituals you have used until this point. Your next goal will be distilling what you've learned to create a new ritual and find a source of power. You must find a god through which you draw and project power. You must establish your means of worship. You must ask what your god desires. You must find a way to sate these desires. This will be a difficult goal, and will require you to combine the old knowledge with the rituals you used to achieve your first goal.
Once you have found your power, you must use it. At this point, those around you will either notice you have changed, or you will be isolated. Either way, your next goal is to find an apprentice to initiate into your ways. Your ways will not be set, only in teaching an apprentice in your rituals will you be able to gain further power. You will probably go through multiple people and some of them will be failures, but that is fine. It is how you will grow. At this point you are no longer a slave to the larger society, you will be able to survive without its approval, use the society freely, but don't bend to it if you will gain nothing from it. You will be able to find a place to rest, a place to learn, and if necessary a place to preach wherever there are people, simply tell them what you require and you will eventually find it. Confidence is key at this point, you will find confidence in your rituals.
If you follow these steps, you will be on the path of controlling a group of the weak, of teaching the open, of controlling yourself. But do not believe you are free, you are forever a slave, but a slave to a master you chose, above the common cattle.

>>15627760
This is gay nu-occult larp tier shit. Binge a bunch of 19th century crypto-masonic pre Liber Legis tier stuff, fast, go into the desert and suffer.

>>15627694
It's assumed you don't have a foundation in anything because you've given no context for what you've read and are posting 7 year old /pol/ pill infographics. You'll probably want to read some neoplatonists like Plotinus before you get into Gnostic texts like the Nag Hammadi. The Kybalion and Corpus Hermeticum are decent start points otherwise, though. And as far as contemporary stuff goes you could look into O9A but without some kind of grounding you're going to end up an edgelord larper.

>>15627774
Post books.

>>15627825
see >>15627784 any and all Abrahamic texts, be they Jewish, Christian, Islamic (especially Islamic proverbs as their origins date back much further as oral tradition) or otherwise. Ben Sira's texts (you won't find some of these anymore like the 2nd alphabet). You'll need to read up a bunch on The Cave of the Nymphs and bulls and the sun. Pick up pre 20th century symbology books. Read The Secret Doctrine but take it with a huge grain of salt. Pick up all of Liber Legis you can get your hands on and early Crowley. You need to read these with the understanding that Crowley is actively trying to fuck with people and is sort of teetering between post-irony and irony. Familiarize yourself with early Indo-European theology. There's a bunch of groundwork to do and once you've read all of it you won't get it. You'll never fucking understand it unless you give up completely. It will only begin to make sense once you reach a deep level of despair and you are heavily dehumanized.

>>15627760
It sounds like you have a lot of experience here.

>>15627774
>Liber Legis
Seems to modern for me. Satanism is just bullshit. I'm not motivated by a hatred of Christianity or the destruction of all things traditional -- I'm Catholic but also interesting in esoteric matters.

Get a tulpa

>>15627439
OR you could just kill yourself

>>15628080
It's all a joke. Crowley is literally fucking with people in Liber Legis and most of his writings, as I stated in the comment. You need to dig deep and find the crumbs of sincerity within his writings to understand. Also calling OTO Satanism proves to me you know next to nothing about Crowley.

Ctrl+F
"Deleuze"

No results...

Christ, what has this board come to?

(psst... over here... oh don't listen to him... just google '1000 plateaus'... alright, gotta go)

>>15628138
Deleuzoguattarianism has very little to do with occultism to be honest but still get into it.

>>15628119
Whatever -- all modern occult stuff. I'll just read the Egyptians like the others are suggesting. Not wasting my time with Crowley.
>>15628138
Literally who.

>>15627472
You've already failed your journey

>>15627694
Colin Wilson.

>>15628179
>want to get into occultism
>can't bother having an open mind
Don't even fucking try then retard. You'll never learn anything from this because you're already a know-it-all pseud. No new knowledge will be attained because you aren't willing to accept new information that conflicts with your pre-conceived vision of the world.

Anyone know where to start with Crowley? Is his stuff worth reading at all?

>>15628234
Read him chronologically. Understand that he is actively trying to fuck with you and gaslight you at points. He is an unreliable narrator and you are the butt of his joke if you fall for his shtick. You won't understand most of it but a good way to tell if his stuff is for you is by reading Book of Lies. If you truly understand some of what he's trying to say beneath the pseudo-ironic veneer then it's worth a shot giving him a read.

>>15628204
I'm not a know it all. I've said very little on this thread. And I'm quite willing to accept new information. As mentioned, I'm a Catholic and yet I am seeking to learn about esoteric matters, not necessarily Christian, such as Egyptian. Someone mentioned the Grimoire of Pope Honorius, which is an old text that I will be exploring. Crowley, on the other hand, is just edgy stuff.

>>15628280
I am also Catholic. It pisses me off whenever some faggot who doesn't know what he's talking about runs his fucking mouth off like you do. People conflate Satanism with Paganism and LaVey with Crowley and Faust with devil worship like it's all the same shit and write it all off. It's fucking obtuse behavior and should be met with immediate scorn.

>>15628296
Well, it's the truth, which is why you are so angry. Pagan thinkers include Plato and Aristotle and Plotinus. Or perhaps even Catholicism's Pagan elements, which were all very much emphasized by Ficino. Of course he was a Platonist as well as a Catholic. Crowley is neither.

I'm just looking for legitimate thinkers and esoteric spiritual sources and Crowley does not fit my criteria.

>>15628316
You're looking for people to reinforce your pre-established view of the world. I don't even care that much about Crowley and he was a small part of my original recommendation but your immediate dismissal of his writings as "edgy" clearly shows that you are incapable of venturing into this field of literature. You know nothing about him, yet parade yourself around as if you know enough to write him off entirely. You are an absolute moron and you probably shouldn't even bother reading anything at all.

>>15628347
Well, I am also exploring the Vedas, which are very different from anything I'm used to. So, you're quite wrong -- again! I have to immediately dismissed Crowley at this time because he isn't terribly interesting nor will permit me to obtain worthwhile insight into esoteric matters. I'm vaguely familiar with Thelma -- and, once again, it just not something one should be exploring when there are so many better options. Suggest something else.

>>15628369
Listen, you're just being a faggot. Just admit that you're making a judgment based on absolutely nothing. You know nothing about him and are judging him in a poor light because the thought of his name makes you feel bad. I don't care whether or not you give him a read. You're judging someone you know little to nothing about and you're not going to really get anywhere with this subject if you have this attitude of dismissal.

>>15627439
>muh pills
Just stop.

>>15628347
This kent isn't going to read, and even if he does, I doubt he can think, and even then I doubt he's got what it takes to remove ones own eye and toss it into the well

>wants to get into occultism
>doesn't want to dive into Dolce&Gabbana
Forever fucking uninitiated lel.

>>15627439
You should start by realizing that YHVH is a very powerful demonic force. This renders a whole new reading of the Bible. You will realize why jews and christians are acting so strangely. It's a form of possession.

>>15628423
Take the STOP pill

Stop worshiping semitic desert demons

>>15628457
Literally impossible in this day and age.
Sorry anon.

>>15628280
Then explain your position more than "just because"

>>15628153
>"Schizo-tier ideas"
Responding to

>>15627439
Jung's red book is probably the closest you'll get

>>15628708
Deleuzoguattarian schizoanalysis is schizophrenic only in the etymological sense of the word though.

>>15628724
Huh didn't realise that... still their work makes a lot of ref to madness and sometimes explicitly schizophrenia: "Capitalism and Schizophrenia" - ref to Artuad & BwO origin - paranoid/monomania discussion in chap 2 of 1000 plateaus - and just in general their work has a lot that might be re-purposed towards understanding schizophrenia ("faciality" chapter will have a lot of resonance) / anti-subjectivity etc.

>>15628796
Yeah I wasn't trying to dismiss you or anything, I agree, just thought I'd point it out. It's refreshing seeing somebody bring up Deleuze for once.

Duuudee what PILLL should I pick to customize my personality????

DUUUUDE What if I picked the SUPER QUIRKy PILL that no one accepts. That would make me cool and rebellious, right guys?

And then I can just move on the next PILL when it gets popular. Right, I am cool? Right guys????

>>15627439
I like how RAW appears twice in two different places in that picture.

>>15627439
Typhonian Trilogies

Based, this thread is still alive.

>>15630344
I'm not terribly rebellious. I've always been a spiritual person, however. Symbolism is neat as well. The unconscious mind. In sum, all those things that affect us but cannot be seen.

>>15627472
that's where all this begins, if you think esotericism is like a cheat code for life you're a retard, and your soul isn't even worth selling to anybody. Purple pill is all about 'hidden knowledge' and then using it [arguably] negatively, if you are too lazy to seek what is hidden you'll just be a fat moronic schizo who'll go to hell for no reason at all.

Also, if you decide to take a pill and want esotericism at least green and brown you keep your immortal soul anon.

>>15627694
>>15630761
Disregard my previous post I am the dumbest poster in the thread and could have prevented this by reading 3 posts down... Fuck me

>>15630768
>>15630761
I'll make up for it with some easy into purple texts from fringe before it was shut down

where my chad whitepill bros at?

I bet there are black pill in our world right now, the are the "heroic" oversoul, many different champions from many different times and realities incubating to fight at the peak of the Kali Yuga.

>>15627439
The true brownpill was invented by Sir Reginald Brownpill in 1999, this image is NWO disinfo

>>15630761
>>15630768
I've read a lot of the Greeks. From mythology to Plato to Sophocles to Aristotle. Stopping saying memes -- I am looking for decent literature of this stuff.

Uuuuhhhhhhhh brrrroooo I made a big brown pill on my gfs chest yesterweek loooool she was sooooo made she though she was just going in to eat some booty but I laid out my big ole brown pill right on those c cups ahahahah

>>15627439
it is not found through books

>>15627439
I posted on /pol/ recently for the first time in a long time and someone called me gray pilled, which I assumed was an insult. Nice to know it wasn't.

>>15627439
nice astrology, bro

>>15632283
This is not a brown pill thread.

>>15632537
loooooool tell that to my gf you might of come here to lick butt but im about to brap a big chicken mole brown pill all over yoou. hopefully you dont scream me out of your apartment like she did

>>15627625
^This

OP, that image is utter AIDS.

>>15632552
>>15632581
You guys are fags. The only thing I wanted to esoteric schizo stuff and the only thing I've been told to read is cringe Crowley and the Greeks, which in large part I've already read.

>>15627472
>what is The Republic?
lol

>>15632646
It's been painfully obvious throughout this thread haven't read enough of the Greeks and Romans. Tell me the meaning of Jason's trial crossing the marsh filled with drowning men. What is the meaning of Mithras' slaying of the bull? What does Saturn' spectre's handing down of the dagger to Sol Invictus represent?

>>15632793
I've read plenty. I've read many of Plato's dialogues, Hesiod, Homer, Sophocles, etc. I've read Homer and various myths -- like Demeter and Persephone. Never claimed to know everything but I certainly have a decent foundation.

Like, tell me about Plato's theories of memory in Theaetetus. Come on now. Tell me about Plato's conception of death in Phaedo.

And you still have nothing to offer.

>>15632992
I've offered that you read more fucking Greco-Roman theology you fucking dispshit. You asked for esotericism and you think you're going to get it by skimming through the Greeks and the Romans. You asked the question, you got answers. Not fucking satisfied? Then just samefag and tell yourself whatever answer you want.

>>15628280
>I'm a Catholic
You’re a worshipper of the demiurge.

>>15627472
absolutely based

>>15632793
>Saturn' spectre's handing down of the dagger to Sol Invictus represent?
Where do I read about this?

>>15632646
nah didnt you read my post bruh i said it was my gf she';s full on milk white c cup full vageny biologe female stock dude (although that skin wasn't very milky after I dropped a big ole brown pill on her chest ahahahaha)

>>15633196
Information on this one is fairly sparse and found in bits and pieces. If I recall correctly essays touching on the cave of the nymphs should refer to this. It has origins as Cronus and Mithra and can be found referenced in a lot of Greco-Romanic art and statues. I think it's referenced in the Gathas as well. Read this a long time ago so I'm having a bit of trouble recalling. Will go through my library when I get the chance. Very little information exists on this but it references the immortality of the primordial ancestor through the undying son/sun. Sol Invictus is inheriting more than Cronus' dagger, he is inheriting his likeness in it's purest form as the raw violent sun.

>>15633045
You offered Crowley. Cringe.
>>15633318
>Information on this one is fairly sparse...
This is akin too, "There's this new band I've been listening to -- you probably haven't heard of them. Very obscure stuff." Absolutely cringe.
>>15633308
I read it. Inspirational.

>>15633318
Also forgot to mention that in both the Vedas and the Gathas Mithra is seen in passing as an archetypal Pater, i.e. Eternal King and Judge.

>>15633461
>wants esoteric knowledge
>complains when research and effort must be put in
You're a moron and you want nothing.

>>15633461
>esotericism is too obscure

>>15633493
You've been projecting for the entirety of this thread. You're a know it all and you're cringe. And you're making things up. /lit/ is full of most awesome people -- you're not one of them. Get the fuck out of my thread, loser.

>>15633508
>muh projecting
Oh you're this fucking fag. You want nothing from no one.

>>15633318
Yeah I know there's really not a lot out there about Mithras, interesting that it's in the Gathas though that's on my list.

>>15633517
That is correct -- you're a no one and a nobody from whom I want nothing. Go away.

shams al ma'arif for some arabic flavors

>>15633524
In the Gathas it's only mentioned in passing I'm pretty sure. Never directly but has bits and pieces.

>>15633529
Says the fucking moron who's contributed nothing and refuses to take recommendations after asking for them. The reason you were instantly bombarded with "read the greeks" is because you NEED to read the fucking greeks to get into esotericism you stupid fucking braindead shitfuck. What fucking answer were you waiting for retard? Answer this fucking question. What answer, had you planned out in your head, prior to making this thread?

I've taken recommendations.

For instance: >>15627729. I thanked the contributor.

You keep hoping on this Greek thing. I told you I read the Greeks. You tell me I haven't. And I don't know what you're talking about anymore, honestly. But you're not making sense and now you're licking my balls.

>>15630363
>>15633683

>>15633683
I'm telling you, you haven't read enough Greco-Roman mythology. Read more of the Persians too. If you're looking to find an all encompassing esotericism 101 text, where everything is spoonfed to you, you're not going to find it. I'd recommend you specifics from >>15627699 for after you've familiarized yourself more with the fundamentals seeing as some of these are memes or literal scams but you wouldn't read any of them because you're an overly prideful faggot who can't accept that he knows little to nothing about a subject he's just getting into.

>>15627699
Is this stuff legit? Or is it just a collective LARP?

>>15633855
Gurdjieff is pretty rad ngl. Crimson King is a 4th way cult

>>15633855
Its not legit. Truth is that you can't just search for what is avivable to public. You have to search yourself, no two occultists ever shared a path

>>15633874
Is occultism legit?

>>15633855
This >>15633874 is right somewhat but I'd pick up The Secret Doctrine, The Kybalion, and The Nag Hammadi Scriptures. Not sure why Man and His Symbols is on here but it's still a good read.

>>15630768
You mean reading this post?
>>15631105

have you created a god before?

>>15633504
<3

>>15627439

>>15633879
Most of the time even people that claim to be occultists know jack shit, and just pretend or worse, lie to themselves. By most i mean 90 out of 100, maybe more. Some of them don't even understand that they are in wrong, and only hurt themselves in process.
Are there real occultists ou there? Yes, but i doubt you will ever meet one in your lifetime, or even become one.
If you decide to take this risk i won't wish you luck, because luck at one point will only hurt you ar another one. I ill only wish you to find mental strength to not start walking this way.

>>15633948
This is mostly true. One of my old bosses had a Freemason's ring and a Memento Mori signet. When I recognized them, I asked him about them and all he said was "I don't know what you're talking about". He never wore them again at work and we never brought it up again till a couple years after he took me aside and we talked about it.

>>15633948
> I ill only wish you to find mental strength to not start walking this way.
Wouldn't walking into occultism require more mental strength? For what it's worth, I don't plan on ever trying anything. It's just kind of cool to look at.

>There's anons in this thread that dismiss Crowley
This is a huge sign of being disingenuous. Like him or not, the dude knew his stuff. Trying to dismiss it as "edgy" or "mostly just satire" is stupid

>>15633999
What did your boss had to say about them?

>>15633862
What do you have to read to get Gurdjieff?

>>15634046
Beelzebub is fine to just pick up. He has plenty to offer in the way of self development if you can smile past his musings about magic numbers. Eliphas Levi and Bergson probably also have some keys to the universe. Henry Miller credited Bergson with like exploding his mind or something, apparently Miller would read Bergson to a bunch of Jews back in the day and they are all calling him based and shit. Creative Evolution is dense as FUCK though. I got filtered hard.

>>15634036
Honestly I just had this whole paragraph written out but he told me this stuff in confidence and I wouldn't feel right talking about it. It was fairly innocent stuff, nothing ground breaking, more of a personal conversation.

>>15634068
Thanks. I heard of him maybe a year ago and he's been on my list but I never really knew anything more than surface level about him but I've only heard good things

>>15634028
A lot of Crowley is satirical though. He veils a lot of his writings behind an ironic veneer. Doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff. There are points within his writing where he's just trying to mess with the people who don't see the real message.

Carlos Castaneda - just start with the first three.

Aliester Crowley - Magick Without Tears

I'd also read The Masks of God series concurrently for background and Jung articles.

As a complete outsider to "magic" qua magic, but as a lit, philo, and theo student, start with:

>Presocratics, Plato, Greco-Roman mythology, and Greco-Roman poetry.
Buy a presocratics reader and just go through it. The ideas of Heraclitus and Parmenides are most important - they represent two sides of Plato's metaphysical synthesis. I've read most of Plato, Hesiod, and Horace. Working my way through other Latin guys rn. Plato in the Parmenides, Theatetus, and Timaeus is INSTRUMENTAL for:

understanding NeoPlatonism:
>Plotinus, Introduction to Proclus, Mysteries of Iamblichus
Iamblichus and Proclus build on Plotinus' mystical take on Plato. They create what is essentially a magical system ordered towards union with the Godhead. In the greek, this is henosis. These rituals are built on ancient pagan practices. If there's any legitimate magic in the world, it lies here imo. These guys carry on the tradition of the Orphics and the Pythagoreans - arguably some of the first western mystery cults w/ the first "magical" practices.

For the Judeo-Christian intersection:
>Old testament: Canon, apocrypha, pseudepigrapha. New Testament: the gospels.
These are preconditional to understanding mystic christian thinking, the Gospel of John especially. The influence of the Greek "Logos" is big here, especially in John. The Old Testament / New Testament correspondence of Christ to lady Wisdom (Book of Proverbs) intersects with the Greek Sophia. (a la philosophy, philo-sophia). Read Enoch if you want more metaphysical bullshit, but its spurious.

Mystical works:
>Dionysus the Areopogite (letters, divine names, mystical theology)
>Mani's works
>Gnostic literature (Pistis Sophia, Gospel of Thomas, etc.)
These deadass pull almost directly from Plato, especially in their emphasis on the Demiurge.

None of this is "magical" per se. What I can speak to here, however, is literature that attempts to elevate the spirit and unify one with the divine, which I would consider a kind of magic. I've perused the Corpus Hermeticum, which people like Crowley build on, and to be quite honest it's literally dressed up Plato. I'll add a bit more in my next post.

>>15634925
For medieval mysticism:
>Hildegard of Bingen
>Julian of Norwich
>Jakob Böhme
>Teresa of Avila
>Dante
>Eckhart
Again, none of this is "magical" in the sense of casting spells. If you want to read about people who claimed to experience the Divine Absolute firsthand, though, these are the people you want.

Less than reputable medieval "magic" texts I've often encountered are as follows:
>The Zohar - work of medieval Kabbalah
>the Picatrix - an islamic grimoire
>the Keys of Solomon - allegedly "ancient" grimoires attributed to King Solomon, likely bullshit

Other specifically "occult" magical practices derive from other people mentioned here, who build on the aforesaid medieval works:
>Cornelius Agrippa
>Paracelsus
>John Dee
>Crowley
>Blavatsky
>Gurdjieff

I can't speak to any of this per se, as I haven't read any of it. From what I can tell, the Jungian interpretation (also given here) that the signs and codices are "latent" with psychological meaning strikes me as kinda bullshit. Why not just read the clearer ancient literature from which this later symbolism was derived?

As a side note, Mary Shelley shits all over these types in Frankenstein so, clearly this kind of esoterica and skepticism thereof has been around for a while. I dunno though, Gurdjieff seems decent, though even he has miserably mixed reviews.

Other people and things you may want to check out:
>Jiddu Krishnamurti
>Rudolph Steiner
>Tantric yoga
>Antoine LaVey

>>15634982
>Jakob Böhme
Is Jacob Behmen the same person? Teutonic Philosophy?
Might want to add Anton LaVey is an atheist, and a plagiarist. Nothing occult about him. Twitter wicca egirls are more mystical than LaVey.

>>15635030
Ye, Behmen is the same person.

Concerning LaVey though, I dunno, he's someone I've heard a bit about who seemed to do something different with spirituality. Like most modern thinkers, he's more of a curiosity piece to me than anything else. Everything above the medieval "magic" section is what I'd look into first and foremost. Everything below it scores high on my bullshit-detector, except Tantric yoga and Krishnamurti.

>>15635043
I'm not kidding when I say he's a plagiarist either. Most likely if you've read some of "his" writing you've liked, it was plagiarized. Stole from everyone from HP Blavatsky to Ragnar Redbeard. Word for word. Didn't even bother paraphrasing or anything.

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

>>15627472
Go read Harry Potter and practice what you learn from that. The esoteric is rooted in Greeks

>>15627752
Schizo luddicy is cool.

>>15627439
>Proclus - Elements of Theology
>Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa - Three Books of Occult Philosophy
>Kybalion
>Corpus Hermeticum
>Frances Yates - The Rosicrucianism Enlightenment
>Meister Eckhart - Sermons
>Julius Evola - Introduction to Magic Vol.1 & 2
>Iamblichus (everything hes ever written)
>Rene Guenon (same as above)
>Adi Shankara (same again)
>>15627445
This but unironically - you're gonna need Plato (Republic, Phaedo, Timaeus, Parmenides)

Don't bother with Satanism, Wicca, Druidry and the low brow pagan or gnostic shit. New Age is all utter trash.

Neoplatonism, Christian Mysticism, Alchemy, Hermeticism, Vedanta and Buddhism are genuine and worth exploring do different degrees

Qabbalah is weird and I don't understand it so I can't really say much
Look in to Dion Fortune if that interests you

>>15628708
>>15628724
yea OP definitely mean mystically schizo not postmodern-psychoanalysis schizo

>>15636358
I like the cut of your jib friend.
>Qabbalah is weird and I don't understand it so I can't really say much
Don't worry, people who study it don't really understand it either. Suffice to say absolutely anything you can ever learn from Qabbalah you'll already get from everything already suggested as its heavily influenced from Neoplatonism. It's just so needlessly pompous and verbose that it looks more important than it really is. That and the fact that the people who created it lied about absolutely everything about themselves. They even try to say that their tradition taught Pythagoras and Plato.

>>15636385
The sephirotic tree is a very useful map tho

>>15636435
The 4 corresponding planes are basically just the Analogy of the Divided Line.

>>15627439
hurr the oomer PILL haha just like me x)

>>15627439
*fewer citations

"Start with the Greeks," is so much delusion and obfuscation.

Start with shamanic texts and the first book of the Masks of God on ancient and tribal religions.

Join an Ayahuasca ceremony. Read shamanic works.

I'm not saying don't read Plato or look into Kabbalah eventually, but the peak insights of esoteric experience are more readily available in their most basic forms.

>>15627439

Can you please just go back to your video games and childrens' comics

>>15627699
Please stop posting this cringe fucking pic.

>>15636385
>people who study it don't really understand it either
That's because Kabbalah makes zero sense outside the context of Judaism, where you might as well just stick to Neoplatonism.

If you're the type of person who has their preferences programmed into them by infographics on a siamese etching website, there is zero chance you will understand anything about what you are going to read. If you don't understand why you need to have read the Greeks, then you are not going to understand literally anything you read that requires a modicum of critical thinking and introspection on your part.

There is a reason why esotericism is esoteric - to stop people like you from getting into it. Stop trying to derive your identity from the internet and go outside, and give it another go in 10 years

99% of occultism is LARP. Don't bother reading any books. Forget about ancient Greeks and Egyptians, they're all stupid niggers. Organized religions are retarded. Esoteric movements and organizations are all LARPers. If you want the real occult learn to interact with the non-physical world (i.e. learn to project your consciousness out of your body at will, but do it properly -there's a lot of misinformation in this area because of said LARPers). Only then does it really begin.

>>15627439
Can someone explain the gray pill ?

>>15633999
I have a fun story similar to this. A foreign friend of mine saw my odd ways and opinions (I was considering having myself cyrogenically frozen on my deathbed) and thought I was a member of his occultist group. He sent me a strange symbol and asked me if I had ever seen it, and when I reverse-image searched it, it led only to one website which was locked behind a paywall. I said I had never seen it but mentioned that I found the website—he commended me on my initiative and said that if I continued, I should send his regards to a man named Nemo.

I had little interest, but my friend who posts on /x/ insisted that I check it out. Apparently, it's an organization called the Cult of the Vampire and it seems to merely be a fund-raising front for the Satanic Church. I have no intention of spending real money to access to website, though.

Oh well. I guess this is what happens when you talk to strange Swedish men on ASMR discord servers.

>>15642169
Ah, mea culpa, it's actually called the Temple of the Vampire. Here's a link for those interested:

https://www.vampiretemple.com/

this thread is a god dammed cluster fuck

Don't read
Change yourself
Do drugs
Isolate yourself
Don't sleep
Sit in perfect dark and look into a mirror
Know that the shadows are there
All around you
Hungry

>>15643105
no thanks

>>15627472
Any occultist you read will expect that you’ve AT LEAST read the Greeks. Come on.

>>15643134
ngmi

>>15627537
Has anyone read the entire time cube website from top to bottom?

>>15636385
ah figures

What are major differences between Brown and Purple pill?

Pro tip: if you aren't actively living a Christian life, confessing your sins, praying, and going to church, Christian mysticism is not for you. If you are trying to get into mysticism, esotericism, or the like as an object of curiosity, to gain power, or to receive things you desire, you are on the wrong path.