/lit/ - Literature

weeb thread didnt read

>>15618678
Future LN Publishing house dude here. LN are literature, just not really good one. The worst Baudelaire manuscript is a thousand times better than the best LN. Not saying that they don't have any merit, in fact, I'm working with them because I believe there is a huge opportunity to be seized.
What else could I add to what you have said? If something, I would point out that maybe you didn't take into account that LN is a genre of the "true" popular literature. Easily digested, plainly constructed stories for the people that doesn't like and won't bite into more abstract thinking. They are not the kind of work that people with higher literature knowledge would enjoy, just like most self-improvement books, thought I would make an exception that if you are into anime-otaku media you will still enjoy LN even if they pale against real writers.
Oh and something else, being a LN writer in the (Japanese) Literature World is something to be frowned upon, and that's quite understandable. Look into the Biography of some of the most noteworthy authors and they do not have the same background than more serious writers have. They are mostly otaku who like to fantasize and are willing to have their editorial team do the heavy lift in the manuscript. Search for the original plot of Naruto to find out a good example of how LN (and even manga) are thoroughly managed (and improved) by their editors.
(sorry for the potential lack of syntax, I'm kind of drunk)

>didn't even skimmed it but have a pity bump anyway, weeb.

Cringe

>>15619192
Cringe 2

>>15618890
LN's are literature in the same exact way YA is literature in the west. The fundamental content is eerily similar, and they both sell to teenagers.

>>15618678
Why does this question get asked so often? No it's not literature, at best it's equivalent to YA novels in the west, made for otaku teenagers and bored salarymen. In few cases does it rise above the level of basic entertainment and even then it's nothing compared to real literature.

>>15619246
>Why does this question get asked so often?
Because people want to justify their time spent into reading it, if they can convince themselves that it's high literature then there would be no problem spending so much time reading it.

>>15618678
I once read Hyouka becuase the name is a nice silly little cross language pun, which I am a sucker for (that's why I like Lacan). It's not too bad. The prose is basic, but appropriate for a middle-grade book. Quite knowledgable about the mystery genre in general, and that's what it limits itself to. I'd say it's a fairly high quality LN, but I haven't read any others. 10/10 would give it to my Niece to read.

There are some sections where they play with Kanji, and I don't see that often in anime/manga in general, outside of certain comdey manga.

>>15618678
It's been a long time since I've read zeroth maria (and I didn't read past Vol 3), but I remember my biggest problem with it being the main characters. As you mentioned, it also has that sense of amateurish and immature writing that you'd typically see in an anime.

I considered picking up the series again, but I'm turned off LNs in general nowadays because of the dodgy English translations

>>15618678
Your reasoning makes no sense because you confuse the question of what constitutes literature with what constitutes good literature. Even the worst piece of literature is still literature, because the term is purely descriptive. Light novels are not strictly speaking literature because the integration of visual arts in the storytelling is a big enough departure to be considered as a different medium.

>>15619847
Hyouka is a novel, not a light novel

Bump

>>15618678
>It seems to be a common topic of discussion in this board on whether or not light novels should be considered literature.
That is definitely not true. It's one or two guys at best.

>>15618678
Currently reading the Monogatari series, some novels are fun, lighthearted and well written. I see them as something to read when I want to relax or to not think too much. So yes, they are literature even if there is not too much to gain from them. In fact I would put them way higher than the trendy wish fulfillment YA novels I see almost everyone reading nowadays.

>>15618678
I still don't even know what a light novel is. Is it a book with pictures of anime in it and worse writing?

>>15623076
>I still don't even know what a light novel is. Is it a book with pictures of anime in it and worse writing?
It depends, I've only read the first volume of Zeroth Maria so far and it's exactly as you described, but there must be some out there with decent writing, I don't know.

Nothing made by weebs can be considered literature

>>15623076
A light novel is a style of Japanese novel primarily targeting high school and middle school students. The term "light novel" is a wasei-eigo, or a Japanese term formed from words in the English language. Light novels are often called ranobe or, in the West, LN.

>>15623090
>weebs
define weeb

>>15623090
>I don't know what words mean

i read a couple pages of rezero and it was like the shit i wrote in notepad as a kid

>>15623099
Oh, I just understood why they're using the word "light." They mean like lightweight, not bright. It's jap for YA.

>>15623101

On this context I should of have said otaku becaue a japanese wrote it, but someone that makes his life revolve in mindless consumption of anime related media (music, manga, art, etc), and it is also common that they will not look into any other type of media.

>>15623107
Not everything that is writen down is literature weeb

>>15623090
>Nothing made FOR weebs can be considered literature or art
Fixed that for you

>>15618678
>It seems to be a common topic of discussion in this board on whether or not light novels should be considered literature.
It's not. Light novel are not literature. Fuck off to /jp/.

>>15618678
the only LNs I've read was Haruhi Suzumiya, after that I read the one OP is reading (but only make to third novel because the fourth wasn't translated yet) and the last one is To Aru Majutsu no Index
of my own perception, really depends who "write the novel", most of them are Shounens but the writer can't drawn and this is the last thing he can do.
Suzumiya Haruhi was fun until the last chapters of the last volume (is not finished yet) the new characters, the mysteries behind Haruhi make a good and interesting narrative where you got a protagonist and a non-typical tsundere.
Zeroth Maria was interesting in the way they make the mazes and the games, and it's pretty ok, keep reading.
the last one, To Aru no Index, is great when the main character is not "the main character" in the story, the guy make more fun narrative with the anti-hero, after that, this is it: just a typical shonen, with an obnoxious tsundere.

>>15623772
>Haruhi Suzumiya
Is the anime good?

>>15623924
No. Its one of those shows that is only liked by 12-14 yr olds who have never consumed any art deeper than a puddle. If you're not a complete pleb it will bore you to tears

>>15623963
Is any anime good for you?