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Any history books on Rome that are not written by SJW's? I'm not here to argue with anyone on politics, so don't bother.

Answers are very much appreciated.

>> No.15620846

>>15620835
the primary sources.

>> No.15620849

>>15620835
Syme

>> No.15620902
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>>15620835
Tacitus, Livy, Sallust, Suetonius, Pliny. If you want a more Eastern perspective, Appianus, Dio Cassus, Plutarch, Dionysius. Josephus for Jew stuff. Florus for something obscure. If you want a later, more summarized (but boring) perspective, Eutropius is good.

>> No.15620918

>>15620902
>>15620846
>>15620849
Thanks. I hadn't even considered this. It seems Eutropius will be a safe bet to start with.

>> No.15620937

>>15620835
Tacitus

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>>15620937
Tacitus is undoubtedly the GOAT Roman history writer, but he goes into a huge amount of detail, has a very advanced writing style, and he mostly writes about a relatively short period of time during the early Empire. So not necessarily very friendly to a beginner. That said, reading the Annals of Tacitus (in Latin) is truly peak /lit/, and should be your eventual goal.

>> No.15620972

>>15620958
I am trying to read him in Latin now and he's the hardest author I've encountered by far. I feel like an absolute brainlet.

>> No.15621104

>>15620958
If I go for Tacitus in English:
https://www.bookdepository.com/Annals-Histories-Cornelius-Tacitus/9781841593111

Will I be disappointed?

>> No.15621122

>>15620972
Tacitus is known to be a master of allusion and one to say a lot in very few words, hence his name. He's peak Roman writing, don't worry.

>> No.15621131

>>15620835
You shouldn't start with primary sources since they won't give you a good overview of the entirety of Rome's history. Start with Mommsen or Meyer

>> No.15621274

>>15620835
The Roman Revolution by Sir Ronald Some. Written in 1939, but Syme's account is pretty much still the authoritative account on the final years of the Reman Republic and Octavian's takeover of the state.

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>>15621274
*Syme, fucking autocorrect

>> No.15621286

i can't get into rome because i can't visualize it sufficiently

>> No.15621291

>>15620835
>I'm not here to argue with anyone on politics
Then don't use retard acronyms like SJW in a retard "any books" thread you fucking moron
Piss off back to pol

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>>15621291
>Piss of back to pol

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15621331

>>15621286
Watch HBO Rome, not only is it a great show but it will help you visualize.

>> No.15621332

>>15621286
What do you mean? You should visualize hot muscular Mediterranean men wearing Lorica segmentatas and marching on marble roads while passing by sexy semi-naked Mediterranean women drinking wine in their Roman villa's balcony.

>> No.15621346

>>15620835
Beard's right tho, White "Supremacists" can only point to mud built rape huts as their great former civilisation.

>> No.15621452

Addressing the frivolity:
>>15621332
And this is how a thread derails.
>>15621346
No need to hide behind sarcasm. Come out into the light.

Addressing other things:
>>15621122
I was wondering about that.
>>15621131
This is a concern of mine. I'll look up Mommsen and Meyer. Thanks.

>> No.15621502

>>15621291
They call themselves social justice warriors because they believe in social justice. Your anger is showing, man.

>> No.15622669

>>15620835
Gibbon - Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire

>> No.15622678

>>15620835
Romans weren’t white though

>> No.15622693

>>15622678
Does it matter if they were white?

>>15622669
Ty