/lit/ - Literature

why am i not surprised that truman can't appreciate titus

Titus Andronicus are a shit band.

>>1561898
>are
>a

truman what's your degree?

>>1561901

>saging a literature thread

>>1561898
They're fucking amazing.

>>1561890
No, it was a combination of senecan tragedy and elizabethan tragic convention, see kyd and middleton.

>>1561898
you are trolling and it is obvious. Titus Andronicus are the answer to everything stale in indie rock.

You ain't never been no virgin, kid, you were fucked from the start.

Shazam! Caplow!

>>1561890

>Was it a parody of Marlowe or just shit?

I pray to god that you one day get given the job of setting English literature examinations.

I still hate all tripfags though. You fucking cocksplashes are on form tonight - second trip to impress.

>>1561906

"Villain, I have done thy mother."

>>1561915

I understand the basic structure of the book, but the ridiculous detail and number of atrocities in the play and the shallow prose are seen by critics like Bloom to be evidence for it as being a parody of Marlowe who was Shakespeare's contemporary.

The movie was better.

>>1561949
I don't think you can really ascribe it as a satire, if you're postulating that, to any particular author without any concrete examples. I certainly haven't come across that position before with reference to Marlowe, but what I suppose one could argue that it is a satire of contemporary renaissance tragic tropes.

>>1561967

I don't think it can be appreciated as a legitimate play otherwise.

>>1562007
So you're taking eliot's position? Come on, I know you're trolling, but you've got to recognise its aesthetic value within the renaissance tragic tradition. I quite like it as a play, and from a canonical perspective.

Trufax has quite obviously never read the Metamorphoses and cannot appreciate this play in the context of intertextuality tut tut tut tsk

>>1562026

Relative to Shakespeare's other stuff it's fucking awful.

The 'revenge tragedy' narrative never evolves, the prose itself is unimaginative and the relentless obscenities are just tasteless.

>>1562032

Which one are you, d&e?

>>1562060
I hate to do a d&e, but have you read much revenge tragedy? It's not a high art form, it's necessarily a vulgar subject and full of vulgarity as you said. Besides, it's a revenge tragedy, there's only one way that the narrative is going to conclude and none of the characters in the genre are much more than flimsy allegory anyway. However, Shakespeare plays with it and has fun with what is a very strict set of conventions.

>>1562079

Sure it should CONCLUDE with obscenity, but having roughly 5 atrocities per act can only be deliberate overkill.

>>1562116
No, I think he's again playing with genre.

>>1562139

If by "playing with" you mean "annihilating" then I agree.

Isn't everyone forgetting the most crucial thing about Shakespeare? He was a whore. If revenge tragedies were big, and filling the theatres then hey, guess what? Here comes Bill with a fucking sackload of plays about revenge. Wht you mean you want romance? Give us a minute, I'll get you one out of the van, it's called Robert and Julia, no give us a minute, Robert and Juliette, oh I dunno, we'll work the title out in post-production. So you say you want a romantic tragedy now, yeah? I only ask, so as to be sure: this is the fifth re-write you've asked for already. This started out as a sentimental and sympathitic analysis of the woman's position in our contemporary society, now it's either buckets of blood or a couple of dead teenagers? I tell you what, here, have both. Can I have my money now?"

>>1562079
you're kidding, right? If you're looking for character development in revenge tragedies, you are looking in the wrong place. However, if you are looking for beautiful rhetoric and poetry, they are full of it. And also the more talented authors figured out how to use the form to address a number of social and political conflicts. Titus is certainly not the best of them, try reading more

>>1562580

And also blood. Buckets and buckets of fucking blood every-fucking-where. Grand guignol. The whole fucking stage just drenched and dripping with motherfucking blood. And everybody, and I mean EVERYFUCKINGBODY is fucking dead.

That's a fucking revenge tragedy, man. pace: Hamlet. that shit was so fucked up that Shakespeare was thinking "man, I've got a character left alive at the end, this Ophelia bitch man, she'd doing my fucking melon."

Answer "Ah, I'll drown the ho for no fucking reason. Now everybody in the play is deader 'n fried chicken, motherfucker. You Jelly, Webster?"

Or something to that effect, I don't know the exact words. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME, FUCKING TIME TRAVEL?????????

They're not as graphic as Titus, but has anyone here counted the number of speaking characters who come to sticky ends in some of the more highly regarded plays? Lear and Richard III are absolute bloodbaths. As I recall, Coriolanus is the least - only the title character.

>>1561949

"Aaron thou hast hit it!.
Would you had hit it too,
Then should not we be tired with this ado."

So much 'oh snap' moments in this play.

>>1561890
You're being a shit in my cut.
>>1561898
You're being a shit in my cut.

>>1564171
>Dear diary, today I came up with a new "Yo mama" line that works with anything
>I so smart

>>1564177
I didn't come up with this. I regurgitated it from something I saw and enjoyed.
It doesn't work the way a "yo mama" works and you're dumb for not having seen that.

>>1564191
That's real cute, kid.

>>1564195
yo mama's real cute
fucking destroyed your nameless ass

>>1564206
Yo mama's cuter. I really enjoyed how tight her ass was. Bitch didn't even need lube.

>>1564209
That seems counterintuitive.

>>1564217
Silly P00F. No one gives a damn about you and your opinions.

>>1564222
I care.

>>1564226
me too

>>1564231
Looks like I need a name.

Give me one.

>>1562580
I believe that was my point.