/lit/ - Literature

>the board that claims that reading translations is bad doesn't actually read in other languages
fuck 4chan

>>15617177
It's just that all the duolinguists who push that meme are ESL

I went at it for a few days with vigor, then suddenly abandoned it like pretty much everything else

>>15617195
I'm an ESL going for my third language, where are the rest?

>>15616894
I'm trying to learn Latin. I can read the Vulgate nearly fluently now. But when I open Cicero or Virgil, it's like I'm looking at Chaucer or something. I can technically "read" it, but I have to look up a ton of words in a dictionary, and then rearrange the sentence in my head a bit before I actually get it. Currently my strategy is just to read loads and loads of Latin and hope my fluency in the high literature improves.

>>15616894
Any good books for learning Russian?

>tfw translating fascists for /lit/

>>15617304
lel nice

does anybody have experience using language reading books like pic related? typically used by grad students

I would like to find a chinaman to practice chinese with. Im at a classroom level currently, probably a bit lower since i'm out of practice.

What is the most obscure language to learn that is still worthwhile to learn

/int/ would like a word

>>15617288
Latin is such a beautiful language. I should never have stopped studying it in college. It's pretty hard to read in one go

>>15617301
I wish I knew russian or could help, sadly, i don't know any books for this
>>15618495
What are those? Typical language learning book? Teaching book?
I've used for french, some people don't like it but it's heaven when you know fucking nothing.
>>15618565
Have you tried finding a chinese person online? They're pretty easy to find since most of internet is chinese

>>15616894
Salut, mes amis de /lit/, je suis apprend le français, c'est une belle langue, j'aime le français et la littérature française.

I hope to be able to read Proust in the near future

>>15618568
Portuguese

>>15617301
The penguin one

>>15617304
King

>>15619344
Português é uma língua fantástica e linda, realmente para muitos é um tanto quanto "obscura" mas ainda assim é a quinta língua com mais falantes no mundo.

>>15619344
European or gtfo
>>15616894
There is a board almost entirely dedicated to language learning

I'm living and working in the country now, so yeah. pretty good I guess.

I am nowhere near being able to read regular books still.

>>15619367
>portuguese
>european or gtfo
what does she mean by this?

>>15619367
>European or gtfo
He wanted an obscure language worthwhile to learn, Portugal is dying and Brazil is an emergent country with a strong economy, it will keep growing and expanding, while Portugal will keep becoming irrelevant.

>>15616894
I've been intermittently learning German for some time now. I can read Kafka and various philosophical works (the last one I read is Heine's _Zur Geschichte der Religion und Philosophie in Deutschland_), but I do have to consult a dictionary to make sure I don't misinterpret anything.

>>15619391
I wish I could learn german, but I'm already too old and would rather spend that big amount of time in something else

>>15619407
If you're not 60 then you have no excuses

>>15618568
I think only few people in the western side of the globe actually go to the trouble of learning an asian language even tho China is basically the future and chinese, indian and japanese literature is pretty old and git gud

>>15619407
I think that German has an undeserved reputation of being an extraordinarily difficult language to learn. Mark Twain's essay may have something to do with it. But it really shouldn't be that difficult for native English speakers. If memory serves me, it was classified by the American Foreign Service Institute as one of the easiest languages for English speakers to learn. (I'm not a native English speaker, but I can definitely understand why it'd be thus classified.)

>>15619495
Not a native english speaker here too (latin variant speaker).
I feel the same, my german friend sometimes asks me if I understand some words in german and a lot of the times I get it right based on english. I think having the same root and having a lot of similar vocabulary is a BIG help.
As a latin variant speaker we can easily see how much italians, spaniards and portuguese can understand each other really easy
(French is the black sheep tho, we only can understand this bitch if written)
I don't know much about romanian and other romance languages

I learned French well enough to read 19th century novels. Took forever desu.

>>15619521
Germanic languages are extremely similar to each other who would've thunk it.

>>15618565
I'm also learning chinese, anon. Want to practice together? I'm around your level too I think

>>15619565
Apparently not unitedstatians

>>15619521
I was searching for an apartment in Bucharest before the corona virus epidemic had destroyed pretty much every plan I've ever had. With very little prior exposure to Romanian, a passing familiarity with Latin, German, and whatever I've retained from Pierre Capretz's French in Action, I was able to recognize many words. (Imobiliare, grasoniere, moda, etaj, cameră, sală, firma, gradina, moneda, salariu)

>>15616894
Currently learning Russian. Took 4 semesters of it, and I even though its my minor, my last year of college is loaded with more Russian than my actual major. Currently I use memrise, and then I try to read Гappи Пoттep on the side. Usually I know like 10% of any given page, which is terrible, but since i've read harry potter in english, I know where in the story we are and can piece together meanings based on what I know.
>>15617301
Read Гappи Пoттep. It's a kids book, you've probably read Harry Potter, and it's popular so the translation is available. Use the sticky for free ebook. You can also find russian readers and textbooks in the sticky's library. /int/ also has a wiki on learning russian. There is a full princeton course as well as other resources. Good luck anon.
I'm going in the army soon so I'm hoping to reach at least a level proficiency enough to get the extra stipend, or at least go for a language program to learn more, possibly even use my skills. Mostly likely won't happen but a guy can dream.

>>15619495
It's in second easiest group for English speakers to learn by itself. There are four groups

>>15616894
I'm learning Spanish and Japanese on Duolingo. Does that even count as language learning?

>>15619495
>If memory serves me, it was classified by the American Foreign Service Institute as one of the easiest languages for English speakers to learn
well yeah they're both germanic languages. it might be slightly harder than dutch or spanish something but it's still objectively one of the easiest languages for english speakers to learn

>>15619807
not really

>>15618495
I preferred Jannach to Sandberg personally

French, with Duolingo app

>>15616894
I play vidya en francais

>>15616894
Just about learned how to read in french, finished L'Étranger now on Le petit prince while also doing about 200 anki cards a day while getting to listen to french radio on my commute. Thinking about learning Arabic as i knew it when i was younger but forgot just about all of it or Russian as id like to read those great authors everyone talks about but my brother is telling me to learn another romance language so that were I am at and no one said by the way just how fun learning a language can be on your own.

translating burzum lyrics is a good way to start learning norwegian

>>15619807
A little, it works better as just a little side project or add on to your main body of study. If you actually want to learn a language you need to do a lot more.
>t. Anon living in and learning Japanese while doing some side work on Latin

I don't know what language I should learn!

>>15619575
Not that anon, but would be down for it. No idea how though.

>>15620130
Swedish?

>>15616894
Akkadian.

>>15618565
>>15619575
I'm also interested in learning Chinese. Any anon here that can point my in the right direction to start?

>>15616894
Latina et nihil aliud.

>>15621442
The app Hello Chinese! is the best available, but all it'll do is give you basics. I also found some okay links on the /int/ lang wiki. Above all else, I'd do the tones first. Not evens words, just rote tone identification for at least a week

>>15621487
Thank you anon.

>>15619741
I don't know, I don't really want to read Harry Potter. It's not a bad idea to read a Russian translation of a kid's book though

>>15619367
>There is a board almost entirely dedicated to language learning

which one is it?

I'm learning Greek, I can read words out but need a lot of practice and just need to learn more words + the grammar

>>15616894
>meaning to start learning jap again
>never do anything at all
I am a sick man

>>15622096
That's fair dude, I took 3 Jap courses in college, did well in all of them but got pretty burnt out on how autistic the language itself is

>>15622096
>mfw got fluent in french after three months
>mfw got fluent in english just by watching subbed animes and movies
>mfw got fluent in japanese after only a year and a half
Feels good not being a brainlet

Got my Goethe C1 cert a couple weeks ago and I'm going to enroll in a German uni with it so I can get a second bachelors and push my level to C2. My English and Catalan have become rusty af due to not using them in favour of German tho. I would love to learn a Slavic language but that's a huge time investment that I'm not ready to make right now.

>>15619331
>je suis apprend le français
j'apprends le français*
good luck fren

>>15622321
what's your secret? Do you use any special ressources or is it just actually doing shit and not just procrastinating all day

>>15616894
>no niggers in the pic
Kek, nobody wants to learn nigger talk

>>15617301
I suggest you read short stories by Daniil Kharms. He's a soviet absurdist and his style is simple and similar to Kafka. Some of his shorts are also quite amusing. Also, I'm russian so you can ask me any questions regarding my language.

>>15622404
I used anki for vocab on french and japanese, for french I just read the three volumes of grammaire progressive, for jap I used some resources on itazuraneko
>just actually doing shit and not just procrastinating all day
Yeah, I study almost every single day, you won't make much progress by procrastinating

I moved to Poland 2 years ago and still can't speak Polish. I've been pretty lazy, hard with motivation, etc. I can have some basic convos with people, etc. 4 months ago I started to stop being such a lazy faggot. I do a daily news reading and write down all words I don't know, work thorugh the article that way. It's been helping a lot. Also, I've started to be more bold in convos, etc. That's also helped. Watching Polish films doesn't help the way people have said, I mean, it does a little to hear the language but as far as vocab etc is concerned its useless for me - same with music. I also do Anki flashcards every other day depending (sometimes I do several days in a row, etc) but i try not to overloard on new vocab and work with things I've learned. But I want to keep getting off my ass so I'm trying to think of more inventive ways. I was thinking of working through a book so I picked up a Polish copy of The Hobbit and found it kinda fun but challenging too.

Tried learning French, German and Japanese through my years and I fucked up all of them because of my laziness. I regret not putting in more effort in Japanese because I was in Japan at that time during my middle school years.

>>15622321
Si par "fluent" tu veux dire "je peux compter jusqu'à cent et demander des directions", c'est assez vraisemblable.

>>15621454
GOD I PUMP HER

Do you guise think it's a bad idea to learn multiple languages at the same time?

>>15622521
Depends on if they complement each other. Otherwise yes. Same with reading 2 different books at once. Very bad habit, don't do it.

>>15617304
atta boy

>>15622462
Polish looks so ugly

>>15622521
the more languages you try learning at the same time, the less you get shit done in each language. I would say only stick to one at the beginning till you're decently fluent at that one.

>>15622556
I disagree but maybe I am biased because I'm studying it. There's also some outstanding Polish literature which I am excited to read, plus Poles have a very great sense of humor that is reflected well in the language. Cyrillic is for Eastern savages.

>>15622570
>some outstanding Polish literature
Like which?

>>15622731
The witcher duh

>>15622738
All translated

>>15622731
Lalka, or "The Doll".

>>15622793
already translated as well

>>15619495
>If memory serves me, it was classified by the American Foreign Service Institute as one of the easiest languages for English speakers to learn

Your memory does not serve you well. Pic related.

>>15619831
>well yeah they're both germanic languages. it might be slightly harder than dutch or spanish something but it's still objectively one of the easiest languages for english speakers to learn

You have no clue what you're talking about. Pic related.

>>15616894
Im almost done with french for reading but ive hit a fucking wall and im bored with this dumb frog language.

>>15622494
S'il deja' parle une langue romane, trois mois ca va tres lointain.
>>15622521
Depends on your enthusiasm and work ethic

>>15622521
Terrible idea. You'll spend 4x the amount of time to get half as good.

>>15622494
passive "fluency" is a lot easier to acquire and hold on to. You can figure out a shit-ton context if you aren't a brainlet. Also please recommend easy French books other than Camus/petit prince that I can use to relearn French (6 useless years in school, language learning in class sucks)

>>15622869
That list is bullshit, japanese isn't harder than chinese

>>15617288
>my strategy is just to read loads and loads of Latin and hope my fluency in the high literature improves

Not the way to do it. Ancient IE languages are different from modern languages in a way that isn’t just a matter of declension or conjugation. Syntactical distribution is a far more integral part of understanding ancient Latin or Greek than it is of understanding any more IE language - this means you can’t go on with the same mindset as you would French or German, for which grinding out reading IS an effective strategy if you want to achieve reading fluency, even at an early level.

You’re not going to get anywhere, or you’ll go very slowly, if you approach an ancient IE language like you would a modern one. Here’s what I’d do for Latin, even if you can already read Caesar or some shit (I’m a graduate student of Classics with an extremely high level of Latin):
-if you don’t already speak a romance language, learn one; do this BEFORE starting with Latin; Spanish is the most useful, IMO; French is essentially useless for Latin; focus especially on pronunciation and sentence structure; don’t worry about speaking, just listening and reading comprehension

-after about 6 months of doing this, getting to the point where you can read stories in Spanish and watch shows with subtitles on with a solid degree of comp, start on LLPSI; from here, move forward with your latin education

-when you finally get to poetry, Cicero, etc, rewrite sentences in S-V-O-CC order; this will make the process much more intuitive and much easier; it might take a while, but it’s an ancient language. it should take a while

i would write more but i gotta go

>>15622924
*modern IE languages

>>15622521
>>15622904
Watch this video https://youtu.be/0k47m5UZ6L0

This isn't anonymous bullshit that's sprouted here, but a genuine guy who tried learning two languages at the same time for months dropping some redpills

>>15622915
Modiano, Duras, Baudelaire. Je dirais: Rue des Boutiques Obscures; Hiroshima Mon Amour ou Moderato Cantabile; poesie/Fleurs du Mal. Maupassant aussi peut-etre
>>15622924
>syntactical distribution
what do you mean? i thought the point of a case system like in latin was to render syntax more fluid, less important.

>>15622884
>S'il deja' parle une langue romane, trois mois ca va tres lointain.
J'en doute fort quand même. Il me semble que nous avons des notion différentes de savoir bien une langue.
>>15622915
Well, I always thought that fluency is an active skill.
>Also please recommend easy French books other than Camus/petit prince
Idk, i ain't French.

I want to learn Mandarin, are there any good recommended resources from those who've done so?

>inb4 pastas about China sucking
I have no intention of working in China.

>inb4 read the /int/ wiki
I want stuff from those who've done it.

Hi, guys. Any German fella that helps me correct this piece of text of mine?

I literally spent one hour writing this.

>Ich habe in meinem Leben in zwei Stätden gewonht. In meinem Heimatstadt ist das Wetter warm und es gibt viele Wolken am Himmel. Dort gibt es ganz viele sonne. Es manchmal regnet und es ist 32°C Grad, fast jeden tag.

>Zurzeit wohne ich in Medellín, stadt des ewigen Frühlings. Morgens gibt es immer Nebel, aber das Wetter ist wunderschönes und es viel regnet.

>Wir haben keinen Winter, deshalb kenne ich nicht den Schnee.

Thanks in advance

>>15623013
German really is not so far from English...

>>15622980
How hard is Chateubriand?

>>15622521
It's a bad habit that's really easy to pick up if you have an interest in languages. I'd say 2 at the same time is okay but any more than that is not.

>>15623031
Well, in vocabulary and some structures it is not. But when it comes to word order, declension, verb conjugation, it is really far from English

>>15617288
Stop translating in your head and just read the Latin. Trust me, it will be awkward at first but that's the only way to achieve reading fluency. Eventually you wont have to unscramble the meaning and you'll be able to read sentences just like in your native language, where the whole meaning clicks at the end of each sentence.

>>15623013
I'm not German but:

Heimatstadt is weiblich.
Regnet needs to be in Position zwei and delete the comma from that sentence.
You don't need to conjugate wunderschön
Again, regnet after es, it's the verb.
keinen Schnee.

This will sound weird, speaking to a Spanish speaker, but your word order feels really English. I think you can mostly do it that way, but it's a bit unnatural.

>>15622521
Very bad.
It's hard enough to immerse yourself in one other language. You want to try two? Plus your native language? This polyglot shit is always either extremely gifted people who've been learning different languages since childhood or more commonly, fucking liars who have a handful of sentences memorised and pretend they're fluent.

>ctrl+f for persian/farsi
>نتیجه ای نداره

someday, /lit/... someday.

>>15623013
As a fellow German-lerner it doesn't seem so bad.

I think the 4th sentence could be written like so
>Es regnet manchmal und es fast jeden tag 32C Grad ist

but i could very well be wrong

>>15623169
Thank you for the correction, just one quick question. How did you know I speak Spanish?

>>15623403
Thanks, I started last week and I'm trying hard to figure things out. Do you think this is sth someone with A0 in German should br writing? Or am I going too fast and off the rails?

>>15623013
>meiner Heimatstadt (w)

>Dort ist es sehr sonnig/Dort scheint die Sonne sehr viel/oft.
(weather description not with "es gibt" but with adjective or verb)

>Es regnet manchmal und es sind fast jeden Tag 32°C.
(I think Grad is plural, at least it sounds correct to me this way. Fast jeden Tag doesn't fit at the end, contrary to English)

Also possible and even better sounding:
>Es regnet manchmal und fast jeden Tag sind es 32°C.

same weather description with this one:
>Morgens ist es immer nebelig, aber das Wetter ist wunderschön und es regnet viel.

>Wir haben keinen Winter, deshalb kenne ich keinen Schnee/deshalb kenne ich den Schnee nicht.

>>15623454
for a beginner this isn't bad,
>Zurzeit wohne ich in Medellín, Stadt des ewigen Frühlings.
is very poetic.

>>15623491
Nochmals vielen Dank!
I will check it out to improve my writing!

>>15616894
been too stressed out the past 2 weeks to do anything so my copy of Notre-Dame de Paris has been left untouched

I was really looking forward to starting on my first real French novel too

>>15623454
>Do you think this is sth someone with A0 in German should br writing?

im of the mind that beginners shouldn't really be writing at all. i would focus on reading, listening, and building up your vocab and learning grammar

>>15623295
I'm here with you anon but it's slow and job makes it slower

>>15619807
If it's the only thing you do then no. It's a good thing to use 5 minutes every day though.
>>15622869
Just had to pick Japanese didn't I.
Fml.

>>15622869
That map is partially bullshit.
For example Romanian is part of category 1 lumped with Spanish but French is already category 2?

Did they not take into consideration some of Latin's cases (nominative & accusative, dative & genitive and vocative) stayed in Romanian, it has three genders as well as the Slavic influence on the language?

>>15623695
Yesh, maybe it's a good idea not to do it for starters, but I just feel I learn nothing if I don't write things.

>>15623040
He reminds me a little of Flaubert. His language is poetically wrought, often very vocabularically rich, but he's not hard to understand. See what you think of some of his poetry here https://www.poetica.fr/categories/francois-rene-de-chateaubriand/
You could also access some reviews and excerpts from his work on Babelio... this is an excerpt from René:
>L’automne me surprit au milieu de ces incertitudes : j’entrai avec ravissement dans les mois des tempêtes. Tantôt j’aurais voulu être un de ces guerriers errant au milieu des vents, des nuages et des fantômes ; tantôt j’enviais jusqu’au sort du pâtre que je voyais réchauffer ses mains à l’humble feu de broussailles qu’il avait allumé au coin d’un bois. J’écoutais ses chants mélancoliques, qui me rappelaient que dans tout pays, le chant naturel de l’homme est triste, lors même qu’il exprime le bonheur. Notre coeur est un instrument incomplet, une lyre où il manque des cordes, et où nous sommes forcés de rendre les accents de la joie sur le ton consacré aux soupirs.
So you can see, very rich language but relatively simple sentence structure. Proust is often in the same vein if you're interested

>>15622789
>>15622804
You can say that about a lot of literature though. Translators always have to choose between correct translations and a correct writing style. Translations will never be fully faithful and many times the translation is like a separate version of the original book.

>>15623791
>Just had to pick Japanese didn't I.
It's no coincidence. Assuming you picked the language for weeb reasons, consider this: if Japan wasn't as culturally distinct from the West as it is (language included), chances are, you wouldn't enjoy the media it produces to the same degree.

>>15622924
utter nonsense. there are literal schools and seminars in which people speak and debate in latin for hours shitting on your method.

>>15622980
>what do you mean? i thought the point of a case system like in latin was to render syntax more fluid, less important.
No. To say that syntax is 'less or more' fluid or important in one language than another is an imprecise way of speaking about things. In analytic languages, syntax is primarily grammatical in function, while in synthetic languages, syntax conveys a great deal of semantic information.

What does this mean? Well, in English, syntactical variation is, for the most part, grammatical variation. E.g. when we read a fragment like "the food I ate", as opposed to 'I ate the food', we immediately recognize that it is not an independent clause and that it requires additional phrasing to form a complete phrase. This is because we note the object/subject inversion. So we imagine that it's part of a greater phrase consistent with grammatical syntaxis, such as "I like the food I ate."

In Latin, grammatical limitations on syntax are far weaker than in English. So, taking the example phrase literally translated from above - "the food I ate" - could be:

interpreted as a relative clause:
'cibum quod edi' (most frequent)
'quod edi cibum'
'edi quod cibum'

interpreted as an inverted primary clause:
'cibum edi' (most frequent)
'edi cibum'

all of these formulations, while grammatical, carry with them semantical nuances or align with pragmatic purpose of the phrase. so distribution of syntactic components is actually more important to intuitively understand in Latin than in English, given that it is more relevant to the semantics of the phrase

>>15624727
>literal schools and seminars in which people speak and debate in latin for hours shitting on your method
american education

>>15623702
موفق باشید. I know it can be rough, especially because it's not a language people talk about much and develop learning materials for. But as you've probably seen the actual language isn't too complex compared to others, so we'll get there. Feel free to ask if you have any questions.

>>15622443
hi im serbian and just graduated and got a job so i will have more time to learn russian. how easier do you reckon it's going to be for me because of the similar vocabulary

>>15624751
Not him, but what dictionary do you use? Everything I've tried so far is awful, and I usually end up putting words into Google Translate to learn new vocab.

>>15617301
I've had pic related recc'd to me before but I don't know how good it is.
>http://www.russianlessons.net/lessons/getting_started.php
This website might be good as well. Again I don't know Russian just what I've seen floated around.

Liber cum tituluo 'Lingua Latina...' aperit, iam ego laeta est.
sorry if the grammar is wrong :(

>>15625498
you don't need to be sorry, but, pro-tip: you don't actually need to use the pronouns since the conjugation in verb already serves the porpuse of indicating the pronoun, you can just get rid of ego. you can use the pronoun if you want emphasize the pronoun
good luck in your learning

I was learning french vocabulary by reading the bible (because an accurate translation is available for every phrase) and practicing french listening + pronunciation by listening to France Gall and love songs

But now that I'm in love with a french girl and she doesn't want me it's too painful to keep studying

Did any anons here learned spanish? What resources did you use and how long did it take for reading purposes?

>>15625539
Thank you :)

>>15623805
rules are easier to learn than 90% arbitrary shit like french

>>15625498
>iam ego laeta est
Now I is happy woman

>>15625642
lmao yeah i just realised should be laetus

>>15625221

Yeah that can be tough. My top choice is actually Wiktionary, because they often have etymological information. A lot of the arabic-derived words feel so alien to us indo-european speakers, so it can be very helpful to learn the roots and start making those connections even if you don't care about arabic itself. e.g. حرکت , تحریک, and محرک all coming from the same h-r-k root meaning movement.

But I'd say only like half of the words you'll find are actually on wiktionary, so you'll need other sources as well. I like https://en.glosbe.com/fa/en, I can find most words on there and you can sometimes find related words/conjugations on the sidebar. https://www.vajehyab.com/ can be helpful as well, the definitions are kind of weird but it often shows you the pronunciation. Last, if you can't find the pronunciation elsewhere there's a good chance someone has recorded it on https://forvo.com/ so that you can hear the short vowels.

>>15625705
I like Wiktionary, too, but as you said, there are so many words with no entry. But these look promising. متشکرم!

>>>/int/125243441

anyone else learning esperanto?

>>15626396
Mi ankaŭ

>>15626415
Ĉu vi havas literaturajn rekomendojn? Mi ĵus finis legi Gerda Malaperis. Mi sciias pri William Auld, sed ĉu estas aliaj verkistoj ke mi devus legi?

>>15616894
Aprende espanol para la pasada mes. Uso la aplicacion Busuu, es mejor que Duolingo. Pero estoy tristito porque suspendo el examen A2 hoy... y necesito esperar dos semanas antes puedo tratar otra ves. Quiero librar pero no he elegido un libro. Otras estudiantes de espanol o oradores tienen reccomendaciones para un aprendiz?

>>15621390
Discord

>>15616894
Isn't this more suited to /int/?

>>15626439
No tan mal, considerando que solo has estudiado por un mes.

>>15626439
Recomiendo que veas peliculas o series con subtitulos.

>>15617288
One of the best methods I used for reading more difficult Latin was studying composition. Learning how Latin writers thought of their own language while writing made things much simpler. Of course you need a good vocabulary to do this. Just buy anthologies that cover many different literary genres to learn new words. Reading the Vulgate is not a great way to learn the vocab necessary for a Pagan epic.

>page 10

>>15624952
Oh, I have no idea actually, but it should be pretty easy. Without any knowledge of serbian I can still halfway understand some of your language, so it should be the same for you.

>>15626663
Yes, /int/ has a language learning general and had it for a long ass time.
>>>/int/125172050
Not sure if there's any point in having two to be honest

>>15622869
>my meme categories means german is not closer to english than 99.9% of languages

>>15624692
japan is practically a western country what are you on about. you're right about the language distance though.

>>15626663
>/int/
Fucking ew, that place is becoming a pol cancer. Also I hate going there and seeing people from my country being stupid, makes me ashamed
/lit/ still is the best board in this site, nowhere else you can even have normal human being conversation

>>15623005
Late reply but Ive found domino Chinese great. It's pretty cringe but dorts charming. About ~$5 a month. Highly rec.

>>15629238
Having flags is nice for language discussion but yeah. As far as /lang/ goes though, it's a pretty tolerable place compared to the whole of /int/

>>15629238
You mean pretending to be an intellectual because you read some old books? /int/ is mostly used for people learning another language which in my opinion is probably far more impressive and an applicable life skill then anything that goes on here. Yeah most of the non general threads on /int/ are extremly low quality. But if you can't handle or ignore a few racial jokes and nationalist banter because you're too weak minded I'm not really sure what you're doing on here to be honest. Reddit is a better echo chamber so maybe you should try there.

>>15629377
>most of the non general threads on /int/ are extremly low quality
All generals except /lang/ and maybe /flag/ are extremely low quality, often even more so than the rest of the board

>>15621404
no, Archaic Sumerian

>>15629396
Yeah but they are a good way to learn a language if you at all like 4chan style posting/humor

>>15628988
retard lmao

>>15622869
its in the second easist cata gory in the map you posted dumbass

Is a "cultivated" Australian accent just the result of an Australian trying to speak with received pronunciation? Or are there intentional differences?

>>15629238
/int/ has single threads that are more interesting than anything the pseuds here have been able to come up with for the past seven or eight months

>>15621865
/n/

>>15622410
I do. I unironically wanna learn ebonics

>tfw when really interested in Japanese and the cult
>But Mandarin is the future and more useful
What do

>>15629452

>its in the second easist cata gory in the map you posted dumbass
>Category III

>>15628988
>my meme categories
>FSI rankings based on the ability of US diplomats to achieve "General Proficiency in Speaking (S3) and Reading (R3)
>my meme categories

>>15625705
Unrelated to Arabic, Wiktionary is the best resource that I've found for the languages that I study - at least for IE languages. It has really everything that you could need for intermediate philology, and is extremely well-formatted and accessible.

Never met anyone else who uses it. Perseus and physical reference books can't compete. Would strongly recommend to anyone interested in philology, learning languages, etc.

>>15617177
/langs/ are an /int/ general.

>>15616894
i am leaning english because i dont learned it in the school

Guys, how do you call in English the act of aligning a wad of papers by grouping them together and hitting the border against a table? I know there is a dedicated expression, but somehow it slipped out of my mind and I’m going insane trying to remember.

Anyone else figure there i no point learning anything other than the big cultural sphere languages? By those a mean Hindi, Chinese and Arabic.
Translations havent even touched the surface of the literature and philosophy of those languages.

>>15631598
aligning papers in general is "organizing" or "sorting" or "straightening out" papers. don't know any word for tabling them

>>15622940
>brainlet too much of a brainlet to learn two languages simultaneously
studying classics, and learning attic, latin, and german simultaneously, I have no sympathy for this level of weakness

>>15616894
sind hier frauen?

>>15625561
don't let your goals be coom driven, you coomer

The problem is wiktionary doesn't actually reflect word frequencies and colloquial meanings. It's all inexplicably scattered even when it's obvious they derived an entry from more authoritative paper dictionaries.

This is one of the main deficiencies of wiktionary. What gives? Are they intentionally trying to mislead language learners?

>>15616894
Next week I will start studying French through online classes.

>>15631697
Straightening out is the one I was looking for. Thanks.

>>15619384

Portugal might be irrelevant but Brazil is still a hopeless Third World shithole.

>>15631888
Trannies subtly trying to psyop people into going schizo.

>>15622321
I'm sure your pronunciation is ass and you sound like a retard when you speak

>>15633234
>>15622321
fluent means a lot of things, including just being fluent in ordinary conversation, which is fuck all.

>>15616894
>26 day streak on Duolingo
>no =[

bump

>>15616894
i've taken irish classes for 2 years, it's the most useless language on the planet but dammit it needs as many speakers as it can get

>>15635603
seems very hard imo, ireland right now doesn't have any aggressive policies about reviving the language, unlike israel

Only langs worth learning for intellectual reasons.

>>15630583
learn Japanese. Don't choose a language with a mind only for its benefits, you won't last

>>15636558
Not French?

>>15622521
Yes

>>15623805
Romanian has a very simple pronounciation and very few accent marks that don't make much difference.
Tldr; romanian is stupid simple but not very usefull

>>15619495
>>15619521
>>15619763
I'e learned French, Italian, German, and Russian and German was the only one I really struggled with. Took four times longer than learning Italian for example.

I'd rank them in similarity to English Italian first, and German barely above Russian. Vocab and grammar are just from different worlds for the most part

I was thinking of learning latin and am already fluent in german. How long would it take me until I could read something like the aeneid and cicero with relative ease? I'm thinking it would probably take me 6-8 month to learn the basic grammer and some vocab; is that somewhat accurate?
Also, I was planning on learning japanese in the future; how long would would it take me to be able to read most literature and converse on a basic level?
>>15621404
How is it going? I started doing it(even got pretty far), but took a break for an extended amount of time and now forgot most of it.

>>15617288
>>15622924
Do you guys think that after learning Latin other romance languages become easier to learn? I want to learn French and Italian, but I don’t know if I should dedicate myself to studying them both or if I go with Latin in order to grasp them in a more comprehensive way and make somehow make it easier to grasp how they work. I also think that after Latin, Ancient Greek would also be easier, wouldn’t it? I am a native speaker of portuguese by the way.

>>15625563
I started off with applications like Duolingo and Pimsleur and then started visiting Hispachan and other Spanish speaking forums. Also listened to a lot of Latin music and watching films and TV shows (initially with subtitles before I could follow conversations without hesitation). I also talk in Spanish whenever I can to friends online or irl or even just speak my thoughts aloud in Spanish when I'm alone. When I was in last in Madrid I tried to talk to people there as much as I could in Spanish, most of the younger people speak English well enough to understand/help if you devolve into Spanglish. More recently I've been reading Borges and Cortazar although recently I've been slacking. I would say I'm semi-fluent at this point with about 10 months investment, I want to travel in Latin America a bit next year and I'm sure that will pay dividends to my communication. Spanish has endless resources, there's no one way to learn it but this has been my process thus far, I'll probably keep chipping away at it for the rest of my life since every little thing you learn is very rewarding.

>>15637614
How long would it take is an unanswerable question. If you dedicate a whole year to fully concentrated competent study of any language you will be fluent. To study 1 hour every day is maybe one thirtieth as effective. So IF a language took a year it would take 30 years of slow learning. I studied Japanese for 30 min per day for a whole year and I can watch japanese tv with english subtitles and understand some of what's lost in translation but that's all. Languages take a measure of dedication. Ganbatte benkyoo.

>I'm thinking it would probably take me 6-8 month to learn the basic grammer and some vocab; is that somewhat accurate?
I studied Latin in University and this is correct. 4 hour lecture and 2 hour work at home per week was the tempo. For 4 months but that's with an instructor. It'd take a little bit more than that without I'm sure.

>>15637706
I started learning Spanish about a month ago and my knowledge of Latin has helped out a lot. The vocabulary is naturally easier to memorize, with most words being derived from Latin, and the verb forms are very similar too and there are less of them. Latin has helped out with my French too. If there's a word I don't recognize, I can usually relate it to a word in Latin and figure out its meaning. I'd say if you have a genuine interest in Latin, learn it, but if you only see it as a stepping stone to learning Romance languages faster, I'd jump right into learning them and skip Latin seeing that mastering Latin is such a huge time investment.

>>15631888
what are you talking about? do you read English wikitionary for your target language?

>>15638222
I see. I have some interest in latin literature and it would be great to read some obscure philosophers like Geulincx. But surely I am almost decided to learn latin because pic related is probably one of the best books to learn the language. The derivation from latin words and roots would indeed help with the vocabulary when reading in other romance languages. So having a good vocabulary in latin would help a lot with French and Italian, no?

>>15638140
Thank you very much for the answer; I will try my best to keep at it.

>>15638411
It would. Another thing I forget to mention is that a lot of the genders for nouns taken from Latin seem to be the same for the romance Languages as in Latin. I don't know if the nouns simply inherited the gender or if it's a coincidence but that makes things easier too. Then again, seeing that Portuguese is your native language you already have a head start. But a solid Latin vocabulary at any rate will make learning other romance languages much much easier, especially Italian. French is the odd one out, and is probably the furthest from Latin, but it's still very much a Latin based language.

>>15626439
>APRENDÍ español el mes PASADO (masculine)
>tristito porque SUSPENDÍ
I hope tristito is a joke
>antes puedo tratar otra ves
This makes no sense, look into subjunctive
>OTROS estudiantes
its masculine
In any case, excellent for a month. Pay attention to verbs
As for recs, https://mega.nz/#F!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A

>>15638411
Heh, im spanish and im using that book, its brilliant.

https://yourdailygerman.com/

Any opinions on this website? I was told that it was good if you're learning German.

I'm slowly working on learning Scottish Gaelic.

Tha Gàidhlig snog agus stèidhichte.

>>15635603
Would you happen to know how close Irish and Scottish Gaelic are? Shitposters like to imply that they're functionally similar, and if they're really that close/synergistic I might just Continue with the Irish after Starting with the Scots. Slàinte, Gaelbro!

>>125274597
Memes aside, this thread is much more useful for language learners than this one.

>>15622521
Despite what other anons here have been saying: at my high school I was learning 3 languages simultaneously, and, depending on picked subjects, others might even learn 4 at the same time.
To be fair, they were all European languages, so it's probably less of a leap from one language to the next, and at the point you start learning a 3rd (and possibly 4th) language, you have already been immersed in the first 2 for several years.
So, based on that experience, I would say you could probably try to learn multiple languages simultaneously if you make sure only to start the next one once you have already reached a decent level of fluency. And, despite my school's curriculum, I think it's probably better if the languages aren't too similar, because there's probably a much greater risk to mix up vocabulary between e.g. Italian & Spanish than between e.g. French & Japanese.

>>15618565
based practicalchad

>>15625444
Seconding the Penguin Russian Course

>did the whole book in a few days
>drill a few paradigms until they are muscle memory (basic nouns + basic adjectives + basic verb conjugation)
>started reading russian wikipedia/news articles
>constantly cheat if i forget a form or need to google translate an idiom
>doesn't matter, can read the articles
>gain lots of vocabulary in my area of interest since so much is repeated
>stop doing it for a while, get rusty
>run through the book again in 1-2 days
>5x easier than first time because i remember so much automatically that i found difficult at first
>try translating stuff again
>now having more fun
>repeat until know russian

Might take a while but if your only goal is reading it's pretty easy

>>15625498
Good luck anon

Seconding what others have said about romance languages becoming easier the more you learn. I have decent French and know Latin, and Romanian was very easy to learn. Romanians often learned Italian/French just as easily to have access to their literature because the jump is so short

If you know Latin + one other Romance language you can start reading Spanish or Italian really fast

Learning danish by changing the language of all applications i use and watching danish fishing videos

any one know any thing about the best way to learn ancient greek and ancient latin?

>>15637614
>How is it going? I started doing it(even got pretty far), but took a break for an extended amount of time and now forgot most of it.
Well. I'm interested in becoming an Assyriologist, so my incentive is not *purely* by whim.

>>15616894
can someone translate that?

>>15641684
>can someone translate that?
Heus /lit/, rogo ut mihi dicas quomodo se habet consilium tuum novae linguae discendae? Potesne iam hac lingua legere?

>>15641684
>can someone translate that?
Heus /lit/, rogo ut mihi dicas quomodo se habeat consilium tuum novae linguae discendae? Potesne iam hac lingua legere?

>>15618565
what is classroom level

>>15641938
Probably those introductory courses in universities, basically A0 on european proficiency scale

>>15616894>>15641684
Dunque /lit/, mi dite: come va il vostro piano di apprendere una lingua nuova?
Leggete ancora in questo nuova lingua?

>>15641684
Also /lit/, sag mir: Wie läuft dein Plan, eine neue Sprache zu lernen?
Lesen Sie bereits in dieser neuen Sprache?

>>15642046
what is it in hsk faggot

>>15619407
https://www.youtube.com/user/lingosteve
No excuses.

>>15622521
I’m learning German and Attic currently. I’ve been a NEET since quarantine started so I study for hours a day, then anki + an hour or 2 of reading for German, but it’s been going quite fine - I’m just about to reach B2, and it’s my third week of greek.

>>15616894
Any Greek anons have advice for reading Homer? I studied Attic Greek enough to get a (very) basic handle on those texts but the Homeric Greek seems really different, do you need to read an entire new grammar?

>>15636558
>india looks like brainlet wojak without disputed territories

>>15616894
I'm currently working on Latin. It's surprising how quickly someone can learn a child-tier understanding of a language. It just two weeks I've learned enough to understand a lot.

>>15622521
Depends on the language. If you're learning Arabic and Japanese simultaneously, despite only knowing English, you're just being disrespectful to those difficult languages. But if you've taught yourself Spanish and want to learn Italian and Portuguese, it's no problem.

It also depends on what you're learning those languages for. If you're going to be visiting a country and want to get conversational in two of its languages, it's fair to study both. Furthermore, people used to study both Latin and Greek, and this tended to be easier because they were only learning these languages up to the point that they could read important texts. Depending on the specifics of your situation, it can be fine to learn two languages. I'd just suggest you avoid it if you're the average low-attention span Westerner who likes the idea of learning a dozen languages, but doesn't even have the discipline to study a single language for 20 minutes a day.

>>15642753
>If you're learning Arabic and Japanese simultaneously, despite only knowing English, you're just being disrespectful to those difficult languages.
Disrespectful how? There are plenty of repressed Persians learning both because 1. Arabic is a useful secondary language for them to learn, and 2. Japanese media meshes well with an aesthetic cultural mind like Persian.

>>15616894
Currently learning Japanese through the AJATT/MIA method. I've only been doing it for a few weeks now, but I researched it and the Input Hypothesis quite thoroughly beforehand. Has anyone else tried it and found themselves succeeding? I see a lot of people on Youtube who've tried it and they seem passable to really good, so I'm wondering if anyone here has had any luck with it.

>>15642771
>There are plenty of repressed Persians learning both
You must be joking. Persians unanimously hate learning Arabic in school. All of them want to learn English, French, or German.

>>15616894
>>>/int/

>>15642972
IDK how you derived that from what I said, nerd. Maybe 80% of them are actually faithful and don't mind Arabic, but it's obvious to anyone young among them that English is most useful, which is why on their own they develop Farsi and English first.

They're repressed by Arabic, and like the half of the rest of the developed world's youth, yearn for media as interesting as Japan's, which is how a good fraction of them already knowing Persian and English, but eventually end up simultaneously learning Arabic and Japanese. Less than 1% of them actually end up mastering both.

/lagen/ was a success
make more

>>15625498
>iam ego laeta est
tu numquam eris femina

>>15618565
Kek.. you made me spit out my bubble tea

>page 9
tumbling up, tumbling up, tumbling up~

>>15622869
Is swedish really that easy to learn? Looks like a mixture of german and english.

>>15621390
drop your discord?

>>15619575
I've always found Mandarin repulsive to the ear and there's very little to gain from a literary standpoint, not to mention learning all those characters. The only possible reason for learning it would be for business and even then as a Westerner it does not put you at a significant advantage.

>>15643654
kek

>>15645737
have you read chinese literature?

>>15645748
Yes I have, I've read a fair amount by Mo Yan, Yu Hua, Eileen Chang, Gao Xingjian as well as "Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio" by Liaozhai Zhiyi and The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Whilst all these have their merit I don't think it's worth learning the language have a richer experience.

>>15642607
what are you using to learn latin?

>>15645770
ah I see. Honestly I just really like the culture and history of China though

>>15645777
Hey, don't let me piss on your campfire. I just think it's a lot of effort for a language that is incredibly difficult and for a culture I don't hold with much esteem. Not to mention if you ever wish to travel in China, as Laowai they make it incredibly difficult to access public services and to travel from one region to the other. Unlike Western governments who are very happy to accommodate Chinese tourists, they make movement an obstacle.

>>15645795
I have travelled to China before, it's actually rather accommodating nowadays. They've improved their public transportation a ton.

what books/resources should I use for learning french?

>>15645830
Do you still need the identity card for public transport in the cities? Sorting visa's as well was an enormous choir. The general dirtiness/pollution and stuff like spitting/burping in public was also something that I know to be cultural but quite disgusting to a Westerner.

Hi. I am learning English as a second language and I am having hard time learning grammar. How can i learn English grammar? There are too many rules and it is hard to memorize all of them. How should i study? Can you recommend me a book or something? Maybe a YouTube channel.
Also did i make any grammatical mistakes in this post?

>>15645897
Your English is fine anon, what is your mother tongue? Everyone I know who has learned English as a foreign language just absorbed it through films, music, books, articles, etc.

>>15645908
Turkish. Yes, I learned most of my English from video games and movies. But I want to seriously work on my grammar and English now. Besides vocabulary I had a very hard time reading Iliad.

>>15645831
Literally just duolingo and a lot of reading with a dictionary. Look up puzzling grammatical concepts online.

I can't decide which romance language to really knuckle down and learn. I don't have a huge attachment to any particular European culture and enjoy literature from lots of them. I've briefly been to Portugal but that's it. Native English speaker, where should I start?

>>15645950
Well, posting and reading on 4chan and other english language chans is probably teaching you quite a lot but try and find other people who are learned/have learned English to practice conversing with. The Iliad might be a bit ambitious for a first English book, I'd recommend something a bit lighter in terms of prose. Genre fiction tends to be quite accessible although I would need to know if you had any preferences if you wanted specific recommendations.
>>15645973
español :)

>>15645950
Hey turkbro, if you can read the illiad youre doing fine. Your english here is very good.

My turkish is terrible, recommend any easy and good books? (First Gen american with parents from Ankara)

>>15616894
Anyone else learning japanese here?

At what point are you able to actually read japanese? Even though 'learning' it and doing excercises on books and having a good grasp of grammar is easy, the actual language feels extremely unaccessible. How long did it take you to be able to read a book?

>>15645950
Your english is very good so far, anon. You already have a very good grasp of the language, so I'm sure it'll be nothing more than correcting a few mistakes here and there.

Also, have you tried Anki to improve your vocabulary? I sincerely don't know which English deck is good or appropriate, but you can find that on YouTube. Good luck

>>15645996
>I would need to know if you had any preferences if you wanted specific recommendations.
I haven't read enough to answer this question. But I really want to learn history from an unbiased perspective and I also want to read the Greeks. Many people I know told me that reading works of ancient philosophers change their world view. I am reading mythology by Edith Hamilton at the moment and it is very good.

>>15645997
I can recommend you to read Sabahattin Ali, if you need specific book read "Kürt Mantolu Madonna". Even though the book's plot is not my cup of tea his Turkish is quite easy. If it is too hard for you try Aziz Nesin's books.

>>15646037
>have you tried Anki to improve your vocabulary?
No anon, I've just heard it. I'll check it out. Thank you.

>>15646153
Well I'm sure there are plenty of good translations of the Greeks into Turkish. You can use them as a tool for learning another languages and philosophy but generally I like to separate these disciplines to avoid confusing myself, especially if I am not very confident with the language. It's only really worth doing this if you want to read them in their original text i.e. German and French philosophers. I would just say keep doing what you are currently doing and be patient, you clearly have a degree of competence in English. When I learn a new language I sometimes translate my thoughts into said language and say it aloud, which is helpful to me when I don't have anyone to converse with directly.

>>15620105
is the stranger easier than the little prince?

>>15645795
>white man a nigger in china
oh no no no we got too cocky bros

>>15647222
Depends if you're just some douche wanting to visit China cuz it'd be neat, or if you're a scholastic type who speaks the language doing something actually worthwhile.

>>15647726
>doing something actually worthwhile
like what you building nukes for them or something? cause an english teacher is not something worthwhile

>>15625561
Continue to learn French and overcome her.

>>15618568
Finnish

>>15631721
Ja

>>15622924
retard

>>15646017
~2 years. I know ~1000 kanji, the grammar from the two genki books, and learned a bunch of the more colloquial stuff from Tae Kim.
I'm reading VNs right now with textractor+nazeka for all the kanji I don't recognize, but I imagine it'll be another year before I can read real books, and perhaps even longer before I can read Dazai or Soseki.

cool thread, i've meant to learn french since forever and had a go at duolingo, very fun! always been amused at how much of it i can read as a native spanish speaker, although there's no hope for speaking it unless i do live there someday. here's to dreams

Is there such a thing as a definitive Chinese grammar guide? Something akin to Taekim's book for Japanese learners. I've just got such a shaky grasp on Chinese grammar that I'm getting nowhere

>>15643654
Risi

>>15648980
Thanks, anon. Did you learn by your own?

Bump

>>15646939
L'Étranger

>>15619741
Why is Harry Potter spelt "gary potter"?

>>15652042
Russians don't use the h sound. Idk the historical reasons behind their using a g in its place for foreign words but that's just what they do.

>>15649121
Duolingo is useless beyond gaining some vocab, and you'd be better of with a good Anki deck for that (ideally make your own looking at a frequency list and using little English but pictures and audio for nouns and verbs.) I don't think people here do enough research on what resources to use and how they should learn. After you get down your first few hundred words move onto spending most of your time reading and listening via a natural method book.

>>15623013
>Ich habe in meinem Leben in zwei Städten gewohnt. In meiner Heimatstadt ist das Wetter warm und es gibt viele Wolken am Himmel. Dort gibt es ganz viel Sonne. Manchmal regnet es und es ist 32°C Grad, fast jeden Tag.
>Zurzeit wohne ich in Medellín, Stadt des ewigen Frühlings. Morgens gibt es immer Nebel, aber das Wetter ist wunderschön und es regnet viel.
For this one:
>Wir haben keinen Winter, deshalb kenne ich nicht den Schnee.
Gramtically correct would be
>Wir haben keinen Winter, deshalb kenne ich den Schnee nicht.
But to express this properly in conversation etc you would leave out the "den," just like in English you say "I don't know snow" instead of "I don't know the snow"
So
>Wir haben keinen Winter, deshalb kenne ich Schnee nicht.
Is correct

>>15652042
They replace all the Hs with Gs
The German first name Hans becomes Gans, which means goose in German funnily enough
Hermann Hesse becomes German Gesse

>>15652050
>>15652489
why dont russians use h

>>15652554
Their alphabet only has a ch, no h
Why they elected that g was closer to h than hc I do not know

>>15652560
better to do as the French and just omit the sound altogether imo

>>15616894
Bit past intermediate level in Ancient Greek, been reading some Aristotle/Church fathers/Septuagint but it's hard and I still suck.

>>15652571
I don't think that would work, in spelling the word you'd still want the H there, the problem then is that h is n in Russian, meaning you would have to replace it with something

>>15652575
I've been learning for around 4 years and I still suck. Ancient Greek is punishing desu

>>15619331
bon courage

>>15645831
depends what stage your at. duolingo is unironically good for beginners, and good for developing the habit of daily practice.

>>15645831
As the previous answers that Ive seen you receive were dogshit id thought i would give an answer to your question. First i would start with a program like Rosetta stone(pirated) or memrise, duolingo type online beginner program as its easy and very beginner friendly.Then download and install anki and get some decks from their site, then get French for Reading - Karl C. Sandberg as it will get you started in the reading of french. As for entertainment and media use a site like radio garden to listen to french radio stations,go to to annenberg learner and watch French in Action video courses by Pierre Capretz they are great, if you live outside Canada or US use Tor , do this while also watching shows like Kaamelott along with french news channels. Now for the most important part reading french, start with simple authors like Camus or children's books and for a dictionary use google translate or if your away from electronics pick up a basic french to English dictionary. Bonne chance!!!

Started taking Japanese for my college's language requirement, didn't really learn anything for two years. Went to Japan for a semester and got good at speaking since I was in Osaka and you basically have to learn how to speak/listen well there. Two years later of kinda studying, should be able to pass N2 this winter, trying to read a novel rn and suck at it (コンビニ人間), just need ti read a lot more, speaking and listening are still fine. Was supposed to move to Japan for work until corona hit lol fuck.

Gonna learn some Korean too since the grammar is similar and Korean lit has some stuff I really wanna read one day

>>15653532
How was my answer dog shit when you also recommended Duolingo? Maybe his question was dogshit

Frens can anyone recommend me a good textbook for learning norwegian and swedish, I'm a kraut btw. Thanks

>>15653532
>>15654923
He's right, you fraud. Did you even use the shitty programs you recced?

>>15654923
It was lazy and not comprehensive.
>>15655686
I used every single program i listed, so do not call people you don't know frauds.The first couple of programs i listed are not ones i would recommend or tell you to use exclusively but i know for a fact that for a beginner they are very useful. Learning a language is a special journey, there is no one way about it.

>>15654150
My brother is learning Japanese and plans to go to college to study the language there. Any things you could pass on ?

>>15652431
i believe you, but it probably shouldn't be shunned as much given its use as a kickstarter. it is pretty encouraging as far as that goes, and i don't think anyone believes they're gonna become proficient beyond that. i'm taking it casually for now, though i've already thought of how my own lifestyle relates to the language, if that makes any sense. for example, i rewatch a lot of eric rohmer movies already, will probably switch to french subtitles later on.

Where can I drill grammar exercises in Castilian spanish until I'm comfy and secure? No duo please, it's too slow.