/lit/ - Literature

>>15614331
Care to quote a passage of the work?

>>15614338
Ever hear of The Gettier Problem?

>>15614331
Because he was being ironic bro

Why do you faggots keep posting busts

>>15614376
Gettier problem isn't a problem.

>>15614331
>Muh Justified True Belief
Why do you have this statement together with a picture of Plato?
He said belief is not knowledge, and especially not justifed belief. Perhaps you'd know that if you finished Theaetetus and Republic, or even Parmenides.

>>15614376
No, have you?

>>15614387
Would you rather pictures of Plato?

>>15614390
Gettier decimated the whole concept though. He pointed out that there are cases of Justified True Belief (the traditional account of knowledge) that are not instances of knowledge.

>>15614406
No he didn’t

>>15614376
This is a myth. Plato rejects this criteon as a sufficient definition of knowledge at the end of Theaetetus. This is why we read before posting, kids!

>>15614406
No he didn't, the gettier problem literally never made sense and my only conclusion can be that it was born out of the womb of petty and seething nihilistic frustration of a modern dead-science.

>>15614396
>>15614331
>>15614376
Socrates
When we have a right opinion of the way in which certain things differ from other things, we are told to acquire a right opinion of the way in which those same things differ from other things! On this plan the twirling of a scytale or a pestle or anything of the sort would be as nothing [209e] compared with this injunction. It might more justly be called a blind man's giving directions; for to command us to acquire that which we already have, in order to learn that of which we already have opinion, is very like a man whose sight is mightily darkened.

Theaetetus
Tell me now, what did you intend to say when you asked the question a while ago?

Socrates
If, my boy, the command to add reason or explanation means learning to know and not merely getting an opinion about the difference, our splendid definition of knowledge would be a fine affair! For learning to know is acquiring knowledge is it not?
Theaetetus
Yes.

Socrates
Then, it seems, if asked, “What is knowledge?” our leader will reply that it is right opinion with the addition of a knowledge of difference; for that would, according to him, be the addition of reason or explanation.

Theaetetus
So it seems.

Socrates
And it is utterly silly, when we are looking for a definition of knowledge, to say that it is right opinion with knowledge, whether of difference or of anything else whatsoever. So neither perception, Theaetetus, nor true opinion, nor reason or explanation [210b] combined with true opinion could be knowledge.

Theaetetus
Apparently not.

Socrates
Are we then, my friend, still pregnant and in travail with knowledge, or have we brought forth everything?

Theaetetus
Yes, we have, and, by Zeus, Socrates, with your help I have already said more than there was in me.

Socrates
Then does our art of midwifery declare to us that all the offspring that have been born are mere wind-eggs and not worth rearing?

Theaetetus
It does, decidedly.

Socrates
If after this you ever undertake to conceive other thoughts, Theaetetus, and do conceive, [210c] you will be pregnant with better thoughts than these by reason of the present search, and if you remain barren, you will be less harsh and gentler to your associates, for you will have the wisdom not to think you know that which you do not know. So much and no more my art can accomplish; nor do I know aught of the things that are known by others, the great and wonderful men who are today and have been in the past. This art, however, both my mother and I received from God, she for women and I for young and noble men and for all who are fair. [210d] And now I must go to the Porch of the King, to answer to the suit which Meletus has brought against me. But in the morning, Theodorus, let us meet here again.

>>15614331
he thought his philosophy to be true becuse he believed it to be logically consistent. what remains of him, apart from a specimen of great literature, is the equivalence between truth and logic. wittgenstein said logic is not applicable to common speech, but only to natural sciences, because only the latter can define its own terms. therefore from a rational standpoint only natural science is true, and all the rest is but opinion.
this is why non-scientists can only abandon philosophy and embrace art or essayism, which have nothing to do with truth.

>>15614463
> wittgenstein said
*wittgenstein rightfully aknowledged

>>15614398
Don't expect an answer, it would ruin his argument if he answered yes.

>>15614463
It isn't Art if it isn't True.

>>15614331
Plato didn't stay with JTB as others said. The people who love JTB most are contemporary analytics who undermined certainty because it ironically led to more skepticism, and they hate skepticism for some reason, so they engineered JTB as a relatively externalist theory of knowledge.

>>15614412
based

>>15614404
Yes.

>>15614570
>The people who love JTB most are contemporary analytics
Nah, they're the ones who refuted it.

>>15614331
it's an equation. knowledge = justification (analysis) * true belief (intuition). knowledge is more or less constant. this is why analytics never say anything interesting, they have lots of justification and thus little true belief, while continentals are able to make good observations (true belief) precisely because they care little for justification

>>15614768
>>>/x/

>>15614331
Once I drove by a field full of barns, but I found out later it was a building facade outlet.

>>15614780
That was only intended to troll the crew of American Pickers. It wasn't meant to kickstart a revolution in epistemology.