/lit/ - Literature

>wittgenstein only decent
>zizek equal to wittgenstein

Fuck off you stupid fucking idiot

>>15606881
Why does /lit/ hate Sartre so much?

>>15606881
This is pretty shit but here are the worst offenses: Ted should be down in the retard tier (or even lower alongside Rand), Wittgenstein is ascended, Descartes is at least good, Zizek is midwit, and Nietzsche is decent at most.

>>15606931
>Ted should be down in the retard tier

>>15606895
/thread

>>15606931
Uh no. Ted's writings from prison are really good. Much better than his manifesto. He is not s but he is A.

>>15606931
>Nietzsche is decent at most
Why?

>Foucault in retard tier
neck yourself

>>15607032
This.

>>15606881
I know you just want love and attention, anon, but this is a really cheap way to generate a bait thread. Randomly assign philosophers into 'tiers' and wait for the angry (you)s to roll in? C'mon, you're better than that.

>>15607032
>>15607058
Glowie Jew-loving neolib AIDS-ridden faggots SEETHING!

>>15607087
Sure are a lot of adjectives you got there

>>15606881
Hume is the only one that truly deserves to be in the ascended tier.

>>15607105
Foucault was quite multifaceted.

>>15607118
And Kierkegaard.

>>15607128
Lol, no.

>>15606906
his gallic phallus defies anglo sexual ideologies

>>15607128
He's midwit tier at best.

>>15607131
Filtered.

>>15607152
Epigrams are not philosophy.

>>15606881
I differ with this in almost everything, but at least it seems coherent (except for Ted)

>>15606881
I have a master's in philosophy too and I think your list is shit.
>Kaczynski
>Evola
These people shouldn't even be on the list, but they are because you're a product of /lit/. Neither should Rand but at least you put her in the bottom tier. Even taking them out your order is fucking shit. You think Hobbes is better than Wittgenstein, Heidegger, Hegel, Marx, Descartes, Socrates, Plato, Husserl, Rousseau, Locke, Mill, Aquinas, Sartre, Russell, Rawls, Foucault, Freud, and more? What shit are you smoking dude. The only thing I'll agree with is putting Kant, Hume, and Aristotle in the top tier (and putting Rand in the bottom tier).

>>15606881
>Hating on Freud
How is your relationship with your mother, anon?

>>15607324
>The only thing I'll agree with is putting Kant, Hume, and Aristotle in the top tier
You forgot Kierkegaard.

>>15607377
Kierk is fine but he's not top tier like the other three. The fact the other three are top tier is basically undisputable. Even surveys list them in the top 5 for all philosophers alongside Plato and Descartes. It's fine to drop Descartes down some notches if you want but the other four are literally the four most important philosophers period.

Is Kant really ascended? Thought he was shit-tier back in college

>>15607391
Wittgenstein is more top 5 material than Descartes.

>>15607407
You could argue a whole bunch of people are.

>>15607395
Kant is probably the most important thinker of the past 300 years.

>15606881
>Marx
>Not retarded
>Aquinas
>Heidegger
>Not ascended

0/10 No (You)s for (((You)))

>>15607537
>Marx
>Retarded
Lib spotted.

>>15607547
>Retard thinks labor alone detemines the worth of a product, not how much it is demanded by the market and the supplies of it in the market currently, an idea that literal fucking cavemen understood
Yes, he's a retard.

>>15607453
hmm guess I was too involved with the greeks, Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. Best resource to learn Kant?

>>15607634
Kant himself. Start with the Prolegomena if you're too scared of the Critique. Just be familiar with at least Hume before reading Kant.

>>15606881
Hume is the only ascended, kant is decent at best.

>>15607453
popsci meme, i thought this when i was 15
>>15607395
you were right

>>15607569
Yup lib spotted

>>15606881
I took into account ideas, way of communicating and genral culure. If it were only ideas, it would be different.

>>15607787
shit b8

>>15607937
Still shit. When will you /lit/ pseuds learn that being polemical is pseud as fuck? If you're calling philosophers midwits and nitwits you're guaranteed dumber than them.

>>15607569
Yep, you never read Marx.

>>15606881
Where does Molyneux fit?

>>15607989
Lmao based retard

>>15607964
I said i took into account everything, not only work ethics. If they talked most of the time about retarded things, they were retarded. If they wrote one entire book to transmit a paragraph of ideas, they are retarded (or at least hateful). If they defended their point with fallacies, they are lowkey retarded. Simone might be a niwit.

>>15607989
>the most influential modern philosopher
does he really believe this?

>>15607964
Aside from Rand, are there any other philosophers who can non-hyperbolically be considered shit tier?

>>15607989
>The traits that led to my success are totally earned, not like the traits that led to someone else's success
beyond retarded, also, wasn't his wife kicked out of her profession by advocating for his cult?

>>15608013
I was calling you polemical.

>>15608030
Yes, 'philosophers' and public intellectuals. Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Rene Guenon, etc.

>>15607937
It's worse than the original in some regards. Aristotle is clearly ascended.

>>15608013
Might want to add yourself to the list faggot. That's the most retarded justification for rating these tiers the way you do. What counts as retarded for you is the most subjective and autistic way to go about rating philosophers. You should at least talk about their method first and foremost and their historical relevancy right after that. This is the type of list I expect to see on /tv/ when they're blatantly shitposting. I know you are, but don't try and pretend this isn't that isn't the dumbest method for rating philosophers.

>>15608030
Pyhrro and his school of Pyhrronism. Look him up and stare right into the face of pure autism. And what >>15608054 said.

>>15608041
my opinion is mine, i dont care. You dont need to be a pseud to call rosseau a retard, in fact you need to be to not call him so. Besides, i didnt decide to do that out of nothing, i was replying in the terms OP was talking, with the standarts he set

>>15608094
>method first and foremost and their historical relevancy
>That's the most retarded justification for rating these tiers the way you do. What counts as retarded for you is the most subjective and autistic way to go about rating philosophers.
chose only one

>>15606881
i hate you and your list. Please leave this board forever, you pretentious prick.

>>15606986
>Ted's writings from prison are really good.
But still below midwit tier. I mean he´s literally an American, so he can´t be above midwit by definition..

>>15608137
> If they talked most of the time about retarded things, they were retarded. If they wrote one entire book to transmit a paragraph of ideas, they are retarded (or at least hateful). If they defended their point with fallacies, they are lowkey retarded.
Totally a rational way of judging people's works.
You can fucking analyze their method in an objective way you memeing retard. You don't have to like a philosopher to realize he or she has an objectively sound way of reasoning. And historical relevancy is also less retarded than whatever the fuck you are doing.

>>15608191
*You don't have to like a philosopher to realize he or she has an objectively valid way of reasoning. It may not be sound, but the conclusions do follow from the premises.

>>15607324
Not him but Hobbes is absolutely better than Marx, Rousseau, especially Sarte (third rate Atheist crap), Foucault, and Freud. You picked some real stinkers in here bro

>>15608189
I'm here to stay, anon.

>>15608211
No he's really not. His monarchist crap is regressive and his materialism is underdeveloped. The best part of Hobbes is sadly the least paid attention to, and it's hist theory of space as mental the same way as the secondary qualities. In this he anticipates Berkeley or Kant.

>>15608054
>>15608094
>Guenon is shit tier

Hylic detected. Materialists dogs are not allowed on my board, back to Rebbit and rick and morty, go discuss how you fucking love science there.

>>15608211
Foucault's insights on the nature of power make him one of the GOATs.

>>15608222
Go elsewhere and above all don't write anything.
Also stop reading entirely. I mean it : develop an unique outlook on life and then admire those who could write about their own vision.
After a while you'll see that you're merely just producing memes and nothing interesting.

>>15608258
Fuck off back to your shit hole your shitty traditionalists that crawled out of a hole and have no literary or philosophical merit isn't /lit/, go back to your discord servers and facebook groups and stop raiding the site.

>>15608191
I was trying to portray the intelligence i percieve from them. E.g: If you talk about methaphysics>>> you have no method >>> you are a retard
You dont realize nobody wants to read you sperging out>>>you are a retard
Being smart is not only having a method to learn, but also to comunicate and creativity, rather than copying from others.
Besides, most people there wrote several books, so i am forced to at least consider an average.

>>15608190
>he´s literally an American, so he can´t be above midwit by definition.
You wanna try that again, buddy?

>>15606881
>zizek over adorno

okay retard

Honestly this is a pretty good chart anon
But why is Cornell West even on here? Is a rambling, angry, racist schizo really a Philosopher?

>>15606881
>/lit/ still getting filtered by Ted

>>15608258
I am the rick from the show stop making fun of my fans.

>>15608269
Why are you still here? This is for serious discourse not reddit faggotry — I’ll count to ten and you better be gone eating a bowl of fruity pebbles binging bob’s burgers or there will be hell to pay.

>>15608349
There's nothing wrong with reddit.

>>15608299
Henry Miller did philosophy?

>>15608299
Sure, they can have decent mathematicians or scientists but I meant within the realm of philosophy.

>>15606906
But he's only in the nitwits category. OP went easy in him

>>15608287
>I was trying to portray the intelligence i percieve from them.
No one cares what you think. You can have personal lists of philosophers you like and dislike. It doesn't mean your opinion is worth shit.

> If you talk about methaphysics>>> you have no method >>> you are a retard
This is the most retarded hot take I've ever seen.

>You dont realize nobody wants to read you sperging out>>>you are a retard
Again, all of this is your opinion faggot. No one except you cares about it.

>Being smart is not only having a method to learn, but also to comunicate and creativity, rather than copying from others.
I agree but I'm talking about the method one uses to justify their beliefs, which you clearly fucking lack since all of your justifications come down to "It's just my opinion bro". Just admit this is shitty bait and move on please

>>15608349
Yeah 'serious discourse' in literature and philosophy does not even give one shit about Rene Guenon and your traditionalist crap so fuck off and go back to discord, stop shilling, and stop gaslighting people as if /lit/ belonged to you when it doesn't.

Reality is boring, just knowing your way around the big 4 (Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Kant) is enough to outclass 90% of Earth and 99% of plebs here.

>>15608491
Throw in Hume, Nietzsche and Heidegger, and you're good.

>>15606881
What about Camus? Is he /lit/ approved?

>>15608519
/lit/ has horrible taste in literature, Camus is based regardless of what anyone here says

>>15608393
Wow they really do look alike, but that's Quine

>>15606895
/thread

>>15606895

Am I going insane? I have seen this exact thread with the exact same replies before, surely this isn't some elaborate meme right? Fuck I'm losing it...

>>15606906
They don't realize he is basically just a french Heidegger

Where is Jordan Peterson

>>15608585
That's called deja vu, and it's a small seizure in your brain or something. Their frequency can be higher if you're sleep-deprived, hung over, etc.

>>15608602
>Peterson
>Philosopher

>>15608585
It's eternal recurrence.

>>15606881
swap Hume with Husserl and Aquinas with uncle ted and its basically correct.
But Spinoza in no way deserves to be that high.
On technology Heidegger + Naess + Linkola > Kaczynski.

>>15607032
his understanding of ancient history is dogshit
discipline and punish was extremely repetitive - Deleuze condensed his 305pg book and improved on its theory in 6pgs in the post-script

>Aquinas that low

>>15608625
Was Heidegger just a more redpilled Kaczynski?

>>15608519
camus is based, but not a philosopher per se

>>15606906
he's ugly. Also they have never read him but that goes without saying

>>15608648
His Question Conerning technology goes far deeper than Kaczynski ever did
in a sense he make the problem of industrial technology a superficial one to that of techne which is the essence of technology itself.
Heidegger operates at a much more fundamental level that Uncle Ted never really reached in his writings - making the problem of not only industrial society but technics itself an existential one.
The Question Concerning Technology is also a very good primer to his thinking so if you're interested in Heidegger its not a bad place to start.

>>15608667
>The Question Concerning Technology
Are there are pre-reqs for this or can I just jump straight in?

>>15608643
fedoras or prots probably
take your pick

>>15608675
hmmmm not really
its fairly easy to understand but if youre having problems, William Blattner's Readers Guide to Heidegger might help

>>15606881
>numerous authors posted below those who cite and agree with them

>>15608602
>where is lobster man
OD'd on Benzodiazepine

>>15608006
>>15608019
>>15608038

>>15606881
I don't know who some people in the lowest category are and I don't know whether to be glad or sad about it. Maybe I'm too young. Help, anyone? Minus Freud

>>15606881
I don’t know most of those people but Diogenes was top tier

>>15608753
West (first on the left), Foucault (2nd from the left), Rand (3rd from the right), and Beauvoir (last on the right). Not sure about the others (except Freud, obviously).

You forgot an ascended, or at the very least good.

>>15607118
lmao he is the one that surely does not deserve

>Zizek and Hegel being that high despite being literal charlatans

>>15608610
don't trust that guy, he's trying to fool you with science stuff

>>15608616
this is true

>>15606881
what a dogshit chart

>>15608778
butler and arendt duh

>>15608906
Reminder that Heidegger unironically had an affair with Arendt.

>>15606881
> Hume ascended
On what grounds?

>>15606881
>no Schmitt
Into the trash it goes

>>15607634
> Claims to read Schopenhauer
> Claims to have ignored Kant
Hmmm

>>15606895
/thread

>>15606906
lol this >>15608590 and this >>15608664

>>15608453
>No one cares what you think. You can have personal lists of philosophers you like and dislike.
retard, did you just discover tier lists?
>This is the most retarded hot take I've ever seen.
Not a hot take, read hume if you dont understand the obvious. Metaphysics is bullshit.
>Again, all of this is your opinion faggot. No one except you cares about it.
No. Nobody likes to read a sperg ranting for hours, that is literally why autism exists.
>all of your justifications come down to "It's just my opinion bro"
i just said my justifications were percieved itelligence
fuck you

>>15609984
>read hume if you dont understand the obvious. Metaphysics is bullshit.
>Read this philosopher that I like and he agrees with me
Whatever retard. Go be a cock-gobbling faggot somewhere else.

>>15610014
Who would Adachi's favorite philosopher be?

>>15610021
Schopenhauer or Nietzsche unironically.

>>15606881
>evola

>>15610014
Ok fuck you you already showed you are a retard incapable of thinking. Go see your insectoid cartoons to deepen that manners

>>15610397
Seethe harder, you ignoble cunt. I've never seen such a stupid fucking list in my life judged by the dumbest fucking metrics in my life. Maybe you should spend more time actually reading philosophy instead of being an obvious as fuck psued who only dabbles in philosophy to get with STD ridden art thots.

>>15608419
>Americans are good at logical analysis and rigorous investigation
>Americans cannot do logical analysis and rigorous investigation
What the fuck do you think philosophy is, eating 5g of THC and seeing if you come up with some radical new conception of power structures while you're catatonic?

>>15608312
He is not a philosopher but to categorize him as a rambling, angry, racist, schizo is purely a reactionary take in response to not wanting to hear about the conditions of a minority population and the proposed solutions put forth by that population. He is not a philosopher but he is an academic and a prominent sociopolitical commentator

>>15606881
Move over polemical pseud, here's the only formulation of your list's philosophers that matters.
Ascended:
>Kant, Hume, Plato, Aristotle
Good:
> Spinoza, Wittgenstein, Heidegger, Hegel, Marx, Descartes, Socrates, Husserl, Aquinas, Kierkegaard, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, Hobbes, Zizek, Adorno, Rousseau, Popper, Locke, Mill, Sartre, Russell, Rawls, Foucault, Freud, Butler, Arendt, de Beauvoir
Decent:
>West, Kaczynski
Shit:
>Evola, Rand

>>15606881
>Ted is good, and not retarded
>Zizek is decent, and not retarded
>Heidegger is decent, and not retarded
>Evola is a midwit, and not retarded

>>15608327
yeah he filters out people actually interested in serious thinkers

>>15606881
>that image
unsalvageable

>>15606881
>Plato Midwit and Aristotle Ascended
Fuck off faggot. They literally go hand in hand.

>>15606931
Lol you just outed yourself as the real retard

>>15610014
>>15610565
Very volatile, probably posts on /v/.

>>15607391
you do realize you're worse than OP because you're taking it seriously

>>15606881
>Freud
>Retarded
>The one man most responsible for changing the entire structure of modern thought
>Retarded
>The one man whosenovel ideas we 9/10 take completely for granted
>Retarded
If there's one thing that signifies a total brain-dead pseud that doesn't read, it's this take right here.

>Cornell West included just because he supported Bernie, nobody here has bothered reading him
At this rate why didn't you bother adding Chomsky to the retard-tier as well?

>>15613052
KEK right? I don't even bother myself anymore.

>>15606881
where would this board put Stirner?

>>15608419
What about C.S. Pierce?

I love Rand. Why does everyone hate Rand?

>>15607133
>he thinks there is any gaul left after the romans and germans took their wives.

Face it the “Gaulic” y chromosome has not been gaulic for some time.

>>15606881
God, i can see the basic skelleton of something good here, but there are a few ham fisted inclusions like Zezik and focoult, despite being a faggot, should be higher.

>>15606967
>>15606986
Tell me why? What world changing philosophy did he pioneer? All he did was compile much smarter peoples ideas into a ideological maefesto. Im not saying hes shit, but he does not messure up to be one of the best.

>>15608679
>he thinks there are prots here.

I almost never see prot threads or protposters here.

>>15607989

>>15613052

Freud is literally not considered a serious read by any modern psychiatrist. Psychoanalysis has been thoroughly debunked by everyone but some french cucks who have to defend it otherwise they would be out of work

>>15612942
And you're a catty bitch of a power bottom that responds to 10 hour old posts that don't even involve you, so you would fit in with /lgbt/ perfectly

>>15606906
The concept of "bad faith" as he put it foorward more or less poisoned discourse.