/lit/ - Literature

Dude, I seriously did not know the Treaty of Westphalia is the origin of the modern nation state system until I saw a post about Steve Bannon's podcast on thedonald.win where he talks about it.

>>15601204
What does that have to do with my OP?

>>15601189
No, it'll either balkanize so that rural conservatives and urban progressives stop fucking each other (happy ending) or become an irrelevant police state with enforced wokeness (bad ending)

>>15601208
Oh, cuz Buchanan is one of the few pre-Trump politicians that gave a shit about defending the Westphalian system.

What is "falling apart" about the west?

>>15601217
Europe will probably be fine, but the degeneration of the American media is literally causing civil unrest.

Have you read this OP? Buchanan respected him immensely.

I used to ignore Buchanan and the paleoconservative moment because I thought all American conservatism was philosophically bankrupt but I have huge respect for Buchanan.

America was never a part of the west, Pat Buchanan is seething because he's a cathocuck in baptist lands

>>15601242
Oh shit, Buchanan is Catholic? No wonder he's not completely retarded.

>>15601250
I should clarify, America is the WILD west, we don't play be Thomistic Aristotelian nu paganism. The American spirit is chaos, we worship this chaos and transform it into pure power.

>>15601275
>The American spirit is chaos, we worship this chaos and transform it into pure power.
You mean liberalism?

>>15601275
>The American spirit is chaos, we worship this chaos and transform it into pure power.

Fuck yeah! That's what I'm talmbout!

>>15601275
The only wild west left of the USA is Alaska. The rest is as settled, standardized, and bureaucratic as Europe.

>>15601213
The most terrifying thing about the last few weeks is just how entrenched the left is in the institutions. I don't think anyone thought it was this bad.

>>15601217
Are you dumb? Do you not see the <90 iq people burning down buildings and looting stores?

>>15601237
I've read Francis. Another victim of Jewish neocon character assassination.

>>15601322
The "woke left" doesn't realize what they're creating with their actions. They are naive and think they will kill conservatism forever once they have a total monopoly on corporate backing and media domination.
But this is not the case. The modest cultural neoconservatives they hate so much were held up by giant corporate sponsors that are now defecting to the woke side. Neocons were able to dominate the right because of their corporate backing and ability to dominate conservative platforms... but, as I mentioned, those companies are leaving them. On top of that, the woke left is obsessed with destroying any place right wingers try to hang out and talk, even places where spiritual boomers like Shapiro hang out. So the neocons are losing their ability to dominate right wing discourse. In the woke mind, this is a victory, as they think the right will just stop existing because they don't show up in the media as much. But this is a big mistake on their part, because the neocons who they accuse of being cryptofascist reactionaries were suppressing the serious right wing populists. Now that neocons are dying out, real reactionaries will take over (as the populists will have far more control over their talking spaces now that they'e effectively banned from mainstream social media), and the smear and shame tactics the woke people boosted themselves up with (exploiting terror over being called racist, xenophobic, etc.) will no longer work. Calling the average Reagan worshiping boomer a xenophobe will make him panic and ramble about "I'm okay with immigrants as long as they're LEGAL", calling a real reactionary a xenophobe makes him say "yeah, so what?"
In addition, the Democrats also fucked up by choosing "woke technocratic neoliberalism" over "woke social democracy", because the reactionaries will be able to outflank them from a materialist perspective e.g. free healthcare but we have to increase migration restrictions for it, free college but gender studies programs are not covered, etc.

>>15601502
>calling a real reactionary a xenophobe makes him say "yeah, so what?"
cringe

>>15601529
I'm not a reactionary. But it's true from my experience talking with them, the neocons will panic if you implying they're any kind of -phobe while the reactionaries won't hesitate to say they do not, in fact, want any immigrants at all.

>>15601275
America will never be truly great until it bends the knee to the Pope. Like Rome before it, it is a great pagan empire that needs to be Christianized.

>>15601539
if you imply*
while the reactionaries won't hesitate to say that they are in, fact, some kind of illiberal thing*

>>15601217
The capacity for any identity or culture existing outside of American popular entertainment.

>>15601539
This has been my experience. The modern left also will get outflanked by mandating their own so called minority constituents vote according to their prescribed racial patterns.

>>15601529
dilate

Speaking of Rome, as >>15601541 does, the only way forward is to simply do away with democracy and do away with the Republic. Heterogeneous countries with representative governments always devolve into chaos in the end, and monarchy/empire is the result if they survive their period of strife. An empire with a huge amount of different peoples and folk in its borders cannot survive if it is ruled by the "will of the people." Rome becoming an empire was the end of Rome as a republic, because Republican Rome did not have the hard strength and the tight grip necessary to manage a hegemony made up of various nations and peoples. Only the raw strength of absolute authority can manage an empire.

So if America does not break apart, this will be because it casts off democracy and its national government eschews any hope of being representative or democratic. An empire as diverse as America's must be ruled with a firm hand.

This is exactly what happened to Rome. The Founding Fathers knew what happened to Rome and they tried to construct a republic that would not suffer Rome's fate. But they were unable to do so. When a republic becomes a superpower, its transition away from republicanism is inevitable. When a republic becomes an empire, it inevitably becomes imperial and monarchical. The Founders guessed wrong. The United States cannot escape Rome's ultimate fate. It will either become a proper empire or it will be ripped apart.

>>15601322
Seriously? Did you move to America yesterday? It’s been this bad since 2008 when Obama was running. That was the turning point.

>>15601575
So is Trump Caesar? Who would be Augustus, Tucker?

>>15601322
>>15601502
There's nothing "left" about wokism. It's the same elite bourgeois narcissism that has always characterized the ruling class.

>>15601589
That's the thing, though. They're the albatross around the materialist left's neck. Wokeness is divisive enough to keep people away from THEM, but not divisive enough to keep people away from the austerity loving centrists.

>>15601587
Trump is either Marius or Sulla. Trump is DEFINITELY not Caesar. Trump is the first, not the last. Augustus was the last of the demagogues, but Trump is not our last demagogue, he is our first. Others will come after Trump and follow what he has done, and expand upon it.

This is why everybody's so stupid. All these people that support the Democrats. They think that if they just oust Trump things will go "back to normal." There is no going back to normal. Things stopped being normal BEFORE Trump became president. They won't go back to normal when he's gone, however they manage to get rid of him (assuming they actually do). Trump is the ringing of the bell that signals the beginning of the end. But he is not the end himself. That comes later.

Mark my words: someone will come along in about a decade or two who makes Trump look like a joke, and he will ruthlessly sweep away democracy in this country. Trump is Marius or Sulla. That man, who is coming, will be Caesar, and he will do everything the media idiots feared Trump would do--and he'll do more.

>>15601599
>They're the albatross around the materialist left's neck.
We're used to it. It's inherent in the very nature of capitalism, particularly since the advent of television. Capital owns the propaganda distribution networks, and will always shape the narrative to its advantage.

>>15601614
Based. I’m ready

>>15601614
And the person after Trump might be a Latina or some other identity that they can't attack. They're painting themselves into a corner by assuming only white males will be rightwing.

>>15601633
>>15601614
The antichrist will be eurasian, tall, and handsome

>>15601633
Right-wing populism in America is intrinsically anti-Latino. It is unlikely that it will ever be anything but a white man's movement

>>15601189
The West is not falling, it is simply being restructured and fixed. There are major problems in Western society such as police brutality, corruption, racism....you name it. What you see here before your eyes is not Western civilization falling. What you see is a reaction from millions of people that have been pushed to the brink of sanity. It is an amalgam of desperation, frustration, and anger, expressed by people due to bureaucratic and quite frankly morally flawed policies. Your views about the West falling are nothing more than fear-mongering propaganda pushed by right-wing idiots that created the policies in the first.

>>15601633
Right. The left has no real way to defend against conservatives that aren't white men beyond claiming they're Uncle Tom (Clarence Thomas) or victims of internalized misogyny (Sarah Palin). It would be especially bad if they ended up with a bland old white shitlib like Biden again and sent him up against an extremely religious black woman.

>>15601541
fuck off papist. America needs to stop with this liberal shit and go back to protestant theocracy.

>>15601684
>right-wing populism

That's not the only form of anti-democratic right-wing government that has existed in modern times, friend. Perhaps you should expand your knowledge horizons beyond the United States.

>>15601614
Whose Cataline?

>>15601684
The Republican Party has more Latinos at the federal level than the Democrats. You're making a mistake.

>>15601694
BEND
THE
KNEE

>>15601657
The hapa, riddled with identity issues and hatred for race mixing will lead the fashy goys against the libtards into a golden age.

>>15601708

The problem is the left believes it's own propaganda that the right is all racist white men. Guarantee if a "based" Latinx comes up, the old whites will be happy to support. They would also support an Indian as long as they are Christian. The states with Indian governors are in the deep south. Again, how many South Asian governors have blue states had? You're getting high on your own propaganda supply, but that's your problem not mine.

>>15601684
>Right-wing populism
>Anti-latino
It's not, you're retarded. Latinos aren't this homogenous group, even Mestizos vs Hispanics is a fucking simplification of their politics. Right-wing populists in the US aren't anti-Latino, they're just fucking tired of the terribly-designed US immigration policy and welfare system, which encourages people to illegally immigrate. Because only Latino countries in the Americas are poorer than the US, they're the ones who are predominantly crossing the border, and occupy an outsize number of illegal immigrants.

Even if it is anti-Latino, it's hilarious that you've betrayed your incredible ignorance of American politics by assuming that anti-Latino means pro-White. Black people hate Latinos with a heat and passion rivaling that of the fucking sun. A policy platform built on "Fuck beaners" would be more attractive to black people than white people.

>>15601692
>and fixed

>>15601692
>right-wing idiots that created the policies in the first

Joe Biden is right-wing? Remember to vote blue no matter who!

>>15601692
>>15601746
Like this anon said. "Fixed" implies that it was previously correct and was then broken. Inventing new policies and tactics out of thin air and demanding an entire country kowtow to your wisdom in doing so isn't "fixing" the country, it is totally reinventing it at a fundamental level.

>>15601322
The left is so entrenched in institutions that they're protesting to stop them from beating people in the streets. Fucking retard.

>>15601684
>Right-wing populism in America is intrinsically anti-Latino.
There are a LOT of latinos who are very conservative and hate the pride month, prostitution worship, etc. stuff Democrats are currently obsessing over. I don't think it would be very hard for the Republicans to get even more latino voters. They love Catholic pandering, for example.

I believe he grouped together WW1 and WW2 as one big european civil war

>>15601189
>He was right about everything
Yes he was, and his politics cannot be divorced from his traditional Catholic faith. It's no coincidence that many of the godfathers of Paleoconservatism were Catholic as the philosophy is an application of a degree of Catholic Social Teaching.
>Is there any coming back for America at this point?
You have a moral obligation to try to save your civilization from crumbling. That said, it's looking pretty bleak. We are truly alone out here.
>>15601237
I have this and it's pretty good but Sam Francis made an idol out of race. Thank God for E Michael Jones, another predominant affiliate of the paleoconservative movement, who converted Sam Francis to Catholicism on his deathbed. Since Sam's funeral he's had a big falling out with a lot of the original paleocons over race vs religion.
>>15601541
Based, but also totally impractical and at this point probably undesirable.
>>15601694
Cringe and bluepilled. Prots have no authority they could never conceivably have a theocracy without it being a de facto quasi-religious democracy.
>>15601575
Libido dominandi. America became an empire when the north won the civil war. The right of secession was the failsafe for ensuring the longevity of the republic. However, empire is the natural state of society. Society will naturally grow and the more powerful countries will naturally come into conflict with less powerful countries that result in the domination of the less powerful by the more powerful. Even if the south seceded the north as a unified front would divide and conquer them eventually.

>>15601786
WW1 and WW2 are basically inseparable, that is true. WW2 is directly the result of WW1.

>>15601746
Not an argument. I'm not an American in the first place what I wrote is simply my opinion as an outside observer. Out of all Western nations, the USA is perhaps the most flawed. Unfortunately, it does not seem like the so-called democratic process will ever fix the issues.

>>15601761
Good thoughts

>>15601780
This guy knows what's up.

>>15601790
One thing to keep in mind is that the picture of reality as seen on the internet is not very accurate to the reality of the USA... we've seen this play out several times over the past few years. Hillary seemed to be guaranteed a win. Then she lost. Bernie dominated the internet and had his face everywhere, but lost the nomination twice. Over half the population supports using the military to shut down the rioting, but twitter paints the exact opposite picture.

>>15601769
That’s not why anyone is “protesting”

>>15601840
This. The Floyd case was the straw that broke the camels back. What you see here are people who have lost their jobs, forced to stay mostly in doors for months because of a virus, etc. This situation is rooted in much more than simply anger at the police.

>>15601217
The demographics.

The sense of national and cultural pride.

And everything that is entailed by those two aspects.

Merderica beheading a Columbus statue and Britain vandalizing a Churchill one are the images of the death of the West.

>>15601275
>pure power

Imagine thinking Hilary Clinton is "pure power".

>>15601881
I don't know if you are aware, but Hillary Clinton lost the election.

>>15601827
Not that anon but I do get a feeling of, idk, "completion" from current events, like we're approaching the head of something major. Twitter obviously doesn't speak for the entire country, but it's really very significant that a single dead black man has sparked GLOBAL protests and rioting. This is extremely abnormal, and betrays a fundamental change in the air in how people are thinking about events. I am desperately concerned that this is related to our choice to embrace liberal democracy AND multiculturalism, which really are diametrically opposed forces, which would suggest that the slow degradation of authority we're witnessing is going to progress through a very large swathe of the global economy and political sphere.

Russia is not having mass protests, and we've been saying "They'll collapse any day now" but they're not and Putin remains extremely stable as a national leader. China may have hit a roadblock with Hong Kong but the reality is that if Biden wins he'll cave like a fucking coal mine in the 1800's, and if Trump wins we'll probably see so much national unrest that we may not have the political capital to maintain a united front against the Chinese.

I'm not afraid of some right-wing dictatorship or left-wing dictatorship, simply because I don't care and suspect I'll survive regardless. But I have zero predictive ability when we see this much of a deviation from normal.

>>15601827
What? How's that relevant? I don't think that America will blow up in 2020 I think we've been set on the life cycle of empire for over 200 years. Either we will have our Caesar or we will fall apart. We're already falling apart, what we see every day is beyond fiction.

>>15601541
Christianity was the final nail in the coffin of the empire. despite lasting another millennium, no one gives two shits about rome or the empire in that time. The great men who made the empire and later maintained it could not have existed as they were as christcucks.

>>15601898
Bro are you new to politics? I figured there would be more overlap among the boards on 4chan.

>>15601541
America was never great.

>>15601589
>nnooooooo! it's not real leftism!

this is the kind of nonsense the leftoids have agitated over in america for over a century. you only reject it once it is manifestly a failure.

>>15601932
Nice fantasy.

>>15601940
Excuse you, the extremely brief period where the transcendentalists were a thing was pretty sweet.

>>15601502
>calling a real reactionary a xenophobe makes him say "yeah, so what?"
the guy who called this cringe was right. you don't accept their labels and framing. you're literally submitting and cucking to their control of your identity. imagine living under the inquisition and saying "yeah, i'm a heretic" despite not being one. all you've done is affirm what everyone thought and that you are indeed "bad." go by your own labels and your own conception of the situation.

>>15601984
cringe

>>15601939
Yes, in that I'm not a political scientist, even an amateur one, and I can't extrapolate future events from current ones because I'm simply not informed enough to piece it all together when I try.
No, in that I've been on /pol/ and I'm certainly aware of their thoughts I just don't think their answers are good enough.

>>15601780
>>15601823
Neither of you know what's up. Look at Hispanic voting statistics bro they vote 30% Republican on average. Reagan sold out our country in a gamble to secure Republican votes for centuries. It failed big time. >https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNiNWbmPWehjpQohglWsKxw
Vince James does excellent statistical research if you're looking for a good source.

>>15601890
Donald Trump isn't pure power either, as he would be openly talking about secession if he were.
The only way to save the U.S. is by separating the rotting limb from the rest that can still be saved. Sorry.
Otherwise, it will undergo a fully predictable process of "Brazilification", i. e., it will turn into a Northern version of Brazil.

>>15602032
Latinos and Indians are going to be white by the end of the century.

>>15601984
based, fuck commies

>>15601684
booger eating nick is latino

>>15601898
>I am desperately concerned that this is related to our choice to embrace liberal democracy AND multiculturalism, which really are diametrically opposed forces, which would suggest that the slow degradation of authority we're witnessing is going to progress through a very large swathe of the global economy and political sphere
You are overthinking it, my dude. The police need to stop physically interacting with the general public over trivial shit. Whatever the root cause is -- police unions, cops on steroids, prejudice -- the police have become WAY too aggressive in traffic/misdemeanor scenarios and need to be overhauled completely.

>>15601946
cope. you know it's true.

>>15601710
Rachel Maddow

>>15601692
>police brutality, corruption, racism are real problems
Lmao. You're literally a slave to the narrative

>>15601692
To some extent. The rioting that's happening is within the left, in cities that have been run by the left for more than a generation. Pretty sure out of all the cities suffering from rioting, all but one has a Democrat mayor. It's a reformation within leftism itself. I'm right-leaning but I'm worried about which side of the left will win out. I'm also black and think they're attacking systemic racism where it doesn't exist as a bait and switch tactic. Nothing is going to actually change because cops aren't actually hunting black people down on systemic level.

>>15601692
You live in an era of the least brutal policing and least "racism" in general society—ever. and you're still bitching for more "progress", even as you watch it fail to produce the kind of dream society you envision.

i'm starting to understand why people like you were just exiled or killed in past societies.

>>15602046
This

>>15602254
>you should be killed for wanting a more peaceful society
/pol/fags are genuinely fucked in the head

>>15602254
you belong in a fucking insane asylum. You're an utter lunatic.

>>15602319
He's saying you're deluded about what would constitute peacefulness. You're letting many things be destroyed at a subtler, deeper level because you are chasing some daydream packaged and sold to you by corporations.

>>15601898
Any war or real international crisis will cause a total collapse of the global economy and the battle lines will be drawn. The trick at this point is trying to get enough of the major players like Russia to side with Europe and whites, instead of siding with literal evil (China).

>>15602247
Thank you for an actual somewhat sensible response. I agree with some of what you say. I'm not an American so again this is just my opinion as an outside observer. I think the left in America focuses far too much on identity politics. Racism is an issue for sure, but it's not the only issue and it's getting to the point of insanity.

>>15602363
Calm down tranny.

>>15602385
I don't like trannies.

>>15602254
Imagine actually believing this.

>>15602395
A lot of Americans are mentally ill

>>15602395
Not him but the cops are militarized because they have to deal with the black community, which is basically a failed African postcolonial state within a European state at this point. Even in spite of this, they barely commit any real violence against blacks.

The issue isn't genetic racism, nobody is a genetic racist anymore. The issue is that the black community is kept in a perpetual arrested state of development by gerrymandering faggot Democrats who would rather have black serfs than black fellow citizens.

The militarization of the police is a serious concern. I don't think we should be letting foreign militaries (Israel) train our police forces. What Israeli forces on a daily basis with Palestinians pales in comparison to being a cop in the black part of town, unless you're in the shithole that is Chicago.

>>15602415
I have never read a more delusional post on /lit/. Go back to /pol/. You are so disconnected from reality nothing can save you now.

>>15602381
>I think the left in America focuses far too much on identity politics
The IdPol is being pushed by the right not the left -- /pol/tards and corporate media executives.

>>15602433
you know he's right

>>15602441
Correct. They push it for a reason and that is to essentially divide people. The "new" left eats it up and regurgitates IdPol en masse.

>>15602415
0/10

>>15602319
hippy peace is a fucking pipe dream and not something we should be aiming for. violence and anger is a part of life that needs to be channelled in some way. For a board that tells people to start with greeks you sure do not seem to know much of the philosophies they, their predecessors, and their successors held.

>>15602433
It's a shame these things can't be talked about because they go against the party narrative of Black Man = Eternal Pathetic Victim.

Black communities have shown amazing potential to police and organize themselves in the past. Maybe there's hope in that. But they are so nihilistic, the attitude of "always do the bare minimum effort" is so common in black communities it will be hard to fix. You would need a real cultural revolution from within.

>>15602445
All his posts are pearl-clutching "you're insane! you're ridiculous! I can't believe you said that!" shit. He's samefagging and making multiple replies too. Just ignore him until he actually says something. It's the only way he'll learn.

>>15602432
We should not be using physical force to address minor traffic violations and misdemeanors. Police departments should also not be funded via fines and tickets and asset seizures.

>>15601541
isn't the pope that guy what slobbers on nigger feet?

>>15602471
Police departments didn't even exist 200 years ago. Read some history.

>>15602497
they don't use violence for those until someone starts fighting their arrest or ticket.
i actually think we should be harder on them. might be that people would pay more fucking attention to the road if they knew a cop may whack them on the head a few times.

>>15601189
Can someone give me the gist of what he said?

>>15601614
Can't wait

>>15602508
I'm not specifically talking about police or law enforcement in that post, just peace and violence in general. to suggest that basic law enforcement groups under some name are a new creation is absurd.

>>15602516
A lot of problems could be solved with harsher sentences. You could afford to have much lighter sentences for nonviolent crimes if you actually punished the lifelong violent criminals instead of still trying to "rehabilitate" them after their third murder.

>>15602483
>>15602483
>People disagree with me therefore he's insane and samefagging!

Your such an emotional manchild lmao. No wonder white America is basically crumbling. Zero sympathy from me. You can't even make logical, level headed arguments. You've pretty much shown yourself to be the epitome of an uneducated white trash hick. The main reason the police are militarized is because they have to deal with the black community? Really? It has nothing to do with the general increase in security post 9/11 perhaps?

>>15602527
Try making a post that doesn't call the other poster some variant of "emotional," insane, or ridiculous, tranny. You're the one being actually histrionic, which is the only feminine thing about you.

>Really?
Yes.

>>15602538
Try making a post that isn't driven by your hatred for other people based on their skin colour or political beliefs. Take your schizo meds too.

>>15602540
i can't believe people still fall for this bait.

>>15602543
:)

>>15602543
It's hard to separate the bait from the mentally ill at this point. Recent events have them riled up.

>>15602550
Yeah that's true, all one needs to do is go to /pol/ and check out all the mentally ill schizo posters crying about how white women are basically half the BLM protesters and have been getting blacked like never before. In about 9 months we're going to see even more interracial births.

>>15601614

>That man, who is coming, will be Caesar

>>15602614
If he was more economically left and less pro jew he'd be perfect

How does this relate to literature?

>>15602627

I'm not right-wing but there's no denying he might have big ambitions. But I don't think it's him - he's too controversial

>>15601546
where is that from?

>>15602550
on this site its most likely bait though.

>>15602635
I think Hawley will be the 2024 candidate, and if he loses it will be Tucker after that.

>>15602647
Hawley and Tucker are the only two presidential Republicans I would vote for.

>>15602680
They're among the only two people that talk about the widespread abuse of "temporary" work visas (H1Bs) in my fields. That alone is enough for me (generally Democratic-leaning) to vote for them.

>>15602540
are you a real person? You can't hate people for their political beliefs? I don't think you actually believe this lol.

>>15601204
check out tiqqun's introduction to civil war,

>>15602680
Hawley is a zionist shill just like Trump, and his campaign will be co-opted just as Trump's did and we'll waste another 4 years on false hope of change.
Tucker will never run, he's a media personality, not a politician.

>>15601213
balkanization is impossible because of the deep network that connects the rural to the urban. they're not properly separate anymore the way right wingers like the think. the first civil war only took on a sectional nature because of the parallel systems but now industrial agriculture is absolutely intertwined with city finance. there is one great city with changes in density

>>15602758
Tucker seems like he's lining himself up for options in the coming uncertainty at least. I'd vote for him. Give me another Buchanan, please god.

>>15602760
So what will happen? Will we just slowly decay into a third world country?

>>15602516
Can you read? The police shouldn't be physically interacting with the public in order to issue tickets. It's a waste of time and money, and will leads to needless death.

>>15601233
germany and italy have both existed as states for about half the time the USA has

>>15602647
>>15602680
Take the Randpill

>>15602525
>basic law enforcement groups under some name are a new creation is absurd
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Police departments (professional "law enforcement groups") are absolutely a recent invention.

>>15601275
impossible, power means wealth with means necessarily administration. total power is also total administration

>>15602761
I would also vote for him of course.
Just seems farfetched that he would run, but I hope that he does.

>>15601322
there's nothing left about it, it's global financial fifth columnism that leaves the ownership structure untouched. the fucking guardian ran an op-ed about "ejecting" police unions from organized labor, despite the fact that labor solidarity means first and foremost solidarity among an economic class. who stands to benefit if what's left of the labor movement stop supporting each other based on racial politics?

>>15602538
>projecting this hard
Cool your jets, windowlicker.

>>15602639
probably adorno

>>15602767
yup. the great error is to think of third world countries as behind when in fact they're farther ahead of us because of the rapidity of their industrialization. singapore is the future of gilded city centers, brazil is the future of all western nations. the future of the ethnostates in eastern europe is the UAE and kuwait

>>15602798
Industrialization is the whole problem. Read Ted K.

>>15602798
Yeah that makes sense, it's a desirable outcome from the elite perspective since they will be the oligarchs of these slums I guess.

Any ideas on ways to stop it? I can't accept that humanity will end with these rich faggots lording over it. I'd rather have us go extinct than have the world be inherited by genetically modified trust fund niggers.

>>15602811
i don't know, anon. short of a real general strike or arresting and executing bankers i don't think there's much chance of reform. unfortunately mere malingering plays their game, because the welfare leech is just another conduit to funnel tax money into private pockets

>>15601242
This. It is not for nothing that Evola called America "the Far West".

>>15602527

Militarization of the police started in the 70s and was becoming extremely prominent after the 1992 riots. Yes 9/11 had a huge impact but it wasnt the genesis. Fact is police in america are unlike police in any other highly developed country primarily because other highly developed countries dont have millions of niggers to deal with.

>>15601275
You worship Mammon

>>15601322
McCarthy tried to alert you, but people thought he was crazy. People thought that revolution was just a bunch of freaks with guns and bombs attacking government buildings and putting a red flag on top. They did not understand what "subversion", "infiltration", "cultural supremacy" or "cultural war" was.

>>15602751
>tiqqun

I wouldn't take those French SJWs seriously. They seriously though French Muslim immigrants were the true revolutionary vanguard instead of subhuman lumpen.

>>15601575
Good post. This is the only outcome of a political situation where people believe politics is a zero sum game. Healthy politics relies on discourse and by removing your opponents by force you turn yourself into an autocrat.

>>15601786
The Peloponnesian War of the White Man

>>15601614
>100 years ago told everyone this would happen
>nobody listened

>>15602639
>>15602795
It’s from an essay by Philip Larkin Calle dWhat Armstrong Did. It’s way too clear and concise to be Adorno. Larkin was also a fan of jazz.

>>15602758
He is the best senator on the important issues and seems the least likely to co-opt, much less likely than it was with Trump. However, a chance of being co-opted still exists.

>>15602768
>dude just don't have laws man
great idea retard i'm sure that'll work

>>15603045
>freshman senator says nice things while not passing any real legislation
>we can totally trust him

>>15601869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxAjN5N0aSc

Conflicted about the Columbus statue, but tearing down the statues commemorating dead Confederate soldiers and defacing Churchill -- that's just too far

>>15601189
He really was bang on.

>>15602254
Too true, anon. Ignore the seething ankle-biters.

>>15602728
No actually. I don't hate people for their political beliefs. I disagree with them, but to truly hate someone because we do not see eye to eye on certain matters? That is uncalled for unless they bring harm to someone I love or myself. Grow up you child.

>>15601633
This is wrong. Zoomer here, the nee trend on social media is for light-skinned Latinos to essentially check their whiteness and how they ate supposedly complicit in white supremacy. The new term is "Black/Indigenous People of Color", or BIPOC, as non Black and Indigenous Latinos and POC in general are assumed to have profited from white supremacy as if they too haven't been the target of racism.

>>15603197
How fucked are zoomers, politically? I assume everyone under 25 is like a retard on meth.

>>15603205
It's beyond fucked. Left and more left, a new slogan is "violence is silence", reminds me a lot of Bush's "You're with us or against us" except progressive and left. And people love radicalizing themselves and their friends for the act itself, as I haven't seen much deliberation on policy and ideology other than "oh reform doesnt work" w respect to police. It's approaching the point of radicalism for it's own sake,which makes me wonder how far people will go and if they actually really question bee beliefs beyond accepting a 10 slide Instagram post before thinking critically about it.

>>15601790
>cringe and bluepilled

Zoomer faggot fuck off. Tradcath posters are the new fedora atheists and libertarians. The catholic church is literally infiltrated with the homosexual mafia and you have EMJ doing the rounds talking about “the one true church” as it’s literally infiltrated up and down

Catholics today are one of America’s most liberal denominations and 5’7 tradcaths think they’re going to return to 16th century politics. Get the pacifier out of your mouth and change your diaper

>>15603242
Your race will die out and you will never reproduce. You will die alone. Let that sink in.

>>15603246
The only people breeding avive replacement level are white Christians in the Dakotas and other rural locations and some Latinos

Remove blackpilled’s micropenis from your blown out asshole you stupid faggot

>>15603257
Nice cope. Check out the white birth rate numbers in America. They are shrinking and by 2050 whites will be a minority in the USA. And by 2100 the situation will be even worse. How does that make you feel?

>>15603276
>Check the gov’t funded demoralization campaign

Wrong, if you didn’t have an IQ of 85 and sit on /pol/ all day you’d know almost the entire world’s birth rates are low and in America the only whites going extinct are white liberals in metropolitan areas

Guess what dumbshit? Urbanite liberals of all races are going extinct. None of them reproduce, they hate life. Whites a minority by 2050? Highly doubt it. I’ll be surprised if the USA even exists by then. There’s literally never been more whites people in America than now

How does blackpilled’s POZ cum feel leaking out of your asshole?

>>15601502
Bingo. The Left will always maintain cultural power especially since Capital is supporting woke stuff, but they will never reach systemic power because they allow themselves to be commodified into the cultural ethos in the West. The fact of the matter is that liberals will literally choose corporations as their all saviors every single time as long as they keep giving them diversity, representation or woke pandering. All they need to do is add more LGBT Netflix shows and most woke liberals will never seek anything greater. Why does the Left still tolerate these people? Because most of them are on the liberal spectrum themselves. They’re giving so much room for reactionaries to take more power and they don’t even fucking care because they’d rather make fun of boomers for saying woke TV shows are propaganda than genuinely revolt against the system. Capital is giving the Left a script to read and they’re gleefully playing the part.

>>15603300
>It's a government conspiracy they are trying t demoralize me reeeeeee fucking Mr Subversive Breznev was right!

Take your fuckin schizo meds holy fuck lmao, get a grip on reality you fucking toad. Your race is dying out. White Americans are literally subhuman pale apes. You are the worlds laughing stock.

>>15603388
Kys

>>15602920
It's not a coincidence that the style of policing changed soon after the 1965 immigration bill completely changed the makeup in this country by allowing non European immigration. Multi-ethnic societies will always evolve into either anarchy or tyranny because there will always be conflict between ethnic groups. I think some of the biggest proponents of those immigration changes were doing it intentionally to weaken the US but many of them could have been naive enough to think they can brainwash ethnic conflict out of people. Either way, the current state of the US and its future has been entirely predictable from 1965 onwards. There were people during those congressional debates telling us exactly what was going to happen.

Similar changes happened to Europe and they're seeing similar results. The west is finished unless we can develop a strong in-group preference for whites. Only then can we begin to do some of the things necessary to reverse this. The paleoconservatives have diagnosed the problem correctly but they don't have any meaningful solutions, or at least they don't want to come out with them publicly. I think national socialism is the only path left to us at this point. It's not enough to just stop immigration now.

>>15603321
was it really better when the left worshipped Lenin like a pharaoh? the will of the party is the will of the people oh we decided to build concentration camps lmao

>>15601614
I think you're onto something here. Trump's role was to widen the scope for what is considered "presidential." If a genuine retard like him can get into power then that provides a path for someone smarter, more devious and with actual conservative/reactionary values to implement. In many ways, I feel a Trump victory in November would be the worst thing for the American right atm. They need a bloody nose to shake them out of their complacency.

>>15601587
Barron would be Augustus

>>15601692
and look here's one of the NPCs causing the fall.

>>15602564
This thread has some weird ass people.

>>15603881
Ladies first fag

>>15604171
The fall for you. And rightfully so. You don't deserve the nation your ancestors built. You are weak and pathetic. You are the NPC.

>>15602919
So.... then it is part of the west. Just an extremely western west.

>>15601589
>>15602788
Come on guys, you know what he means by left. And most of the people we are talking about would self identify as leftist even if you would disagree.face it, by and large the “left” has been coopted by neolibrals for decades in name in the west.

>>15601614
(And Here’s Why That’s a Good Thing!)

>>15601575
>The Founding Fathers knew what happened to Rome and they tried to construct a republic that would not suffer Rome's fate.
The founding fathers were adamant on keeping the US an anglo country for this very reason. Frenchmen and the Dutch were accepted but nothing further away. They were already suspicious of having too many Germans or Irish around for this reason, let alone the negro-aztec-pajeet interracial gangbang that is happening right now.
This is one of he few things all the 30 or so founding fathers agreed on without any debate their whole lives.

>>15602363
you live in an alternate reality

>>15601614
Trump isn't even close to Marius or Sulla. Going along with the bizarre parallel, we are at most in the Gracchi period.
But I'd say today's history will move quicker than Republican Rome which was hellbent on its traditions,. So we might go through the equivalent of the whole first century BC in one or two decades in the 21st century.

>>15602792
imagine how much this anon must have been crying when he typed this

>>15604258
post face

>>15602990
People would have listened more if that wasn't drowned in terrible historiography, a mass of factual errors, bizarre grand narratives, strange psychological conceptions, and utter incapacity for epistemology.
But yes, Spengler was right about that specific part.

>>15602920
>>15603942
Do you see what NYC, Washngton DC and many other cities looked like in the 70s? The big bad militarized police is the only thing that maintained urban life in the USA. It was just adapting to the realities of US urban cores being 1/3 niggs, the increased criminal revenue from drugs, and increasingly terrible urban planning and management.
t. rural bong with nogunzs bobbies around

>>15601189
>We're literally seeing America fall begore our eyes
>Death of the West
America is cancer that needs to be destroyed for west to regenerate itself. Regardless of risks attached.

>>15604459
Will you substantiate any of these critiques of Spengler with actual rebuttals?
Or just post tired platitudes and buzzwords like people always do with Spengler and not elaborate?
Please, refute him based on these points you've outlined.

>>15604540
He can't, this is just the standard denigration of Spengler.

>He got a lot of things wrong
Can you name them?
>No

My favorite response to DotW was just "Historians these days don't like to think in grand narratives like he did." and left it at that, as if it's some sort of refutation.

>>15602319
There's a limit to what can be accomplished in the pursuit of peace, because human beings are fundamentally flawed. Eventually the only way to ensure a more peaceful society is to restrict thoughts and actions at a level that makes it impossible to be a free-thinking individual, i.e. to become authoritarian

>>15601329
States are far sturdier than your internet neuroticism think them to be.

>/lit/ has degenerated to braindead people who unironically agree with Pat fucking Buchanan and think shallow parallels with ancient Rome are in any way important
I think thought I'd see the day that /lit/ became one of the ten dumbest boards on 4chan, but it seems the dreck of plebbit knows absolutely no depth of retardation it won't happily wallow in.

>>15604689
Thanks for your insightful post.

>>15604689
>*I never thought

>>15604692
Keep your witless attempts at sarcasm to yourself, fucknuts. You'll know I'm posting something insightful from the sound of my dick blundgeoning your swollen face into a bloody mess after I've skullfucked your eyes out of their sockets.

>>15604723
What kind of an insult is fucknuts?

>>15604540
>>15604645
Been a while since I read him but a few leads on the top of my head.

His whole views on ancient Egypt are rejected, especially in his consideration of art and temples. The idea of the logn march through a temple is not tenable. See Tiradritti for reference on such topics.
He misplaced the Buddha's dates by centuries, even using the Sri Lanka long chronology (refuted by modern scholars). This would already be a big blunder by itself, but he uses those dates to justify his cyclical views of the world.
The entire chapter on muh Apollonian and Faustian science is ridiculous to the highest extent. I know the book came out before Koyre and Kuhn but missing the poitn that much is not acceptable.
His views on modern mechanics are based on assuming that every physicist had a view similar to some of the least talented of Newton's epigones seeing everything in terms of center of forces, which is false. He entirely misses analytical dynamics for starters, because he's a brainlet that didn't actually understand anything about physics. It started with Leibniz, extends to all of the great mechanicians of the west (in spite of being 'anti-Faustian'). It was the views of Carnot inventing thermodynamics, Ampere and Maxwell making electrodynamics, Gibbs in statistical mechanics, Poincare formulating the principle of relativity, etc. Once again this is unacceptable, Duhem in the 1910s didn't make that mistake, neither did Dugas in his History of Mechanics. Edmund Whitakker had already released the first part of his history in 1910. It's even worse, Spengler brings up Hertz as being the originator of the trend and claim it's because he was part Jewish ,and so non-Faustian (for saying the same thing Lagrange did a century before).
Don't even get me started on his misconstruction of ancient Greek arithmetic.

>>15604689
99% of right wing posters just come on this board to engage in the bait threads

>>15604851
I can't tell if your post is bait, either.
>right wing posters
Who the fuck types like this? Are you legit reddit or just baiting?

>>15601614
The correct take

>>15602811
Nothing lasts forever. I have faith we will all awaken from the nightmare of history. Read Cloud Atlas if you need hope.

>>15603083
>Says nice things on the right issues more than literally everyone else except Tucker.
>Has made concret pushes against Silicon Valley
>Literally no one on his side of the issues has passed meaningful legislation as we are a minority in congress (issue-wise).
Like I said, better than any other senator.
>Cotton is a War Hawk.
Only person I trust more is Tucker.
Who would you on earth reccomend?

>>15604727
the reddit kind

>>15601502
Based

>>15604821
Based, Spengler btfo

>>15605205
correct, see also exhibit b: >>15602792

All I know is that I hate niggers

>>15602032
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EKG7YB5_Rk

Do you think that Latina is going to be voting for Joe Biden? Somehow I doubt it.

>>15605336
Yes, probably.

>>15605336
>sh-she can't possibly be voting democrat, she hates NIGGERS just like my friends on /pol/! she's BASED!
unbelievable how stupid you kids are

>>15605393
>I have to cling to my /pol/ induced white nationalism even tho 50% of white boys guzzle onions and vote for Bernie

cope

>>15601189
Did not realise he was so based. WW2 was the stupidest thing that the US ever did, it is apparent to anyone that we as a society have been going steadily downhill ever since. Fortunately more and more people are accepting this fact. To be what we were, we have to do what we did.

>>15605415
>he called me /pol/
>he must secretly be /pol/
retard.

>>15601692
Is tearing down statues part of this restructuration you're dreaming about?
Is firing off people from their jobs, schools, or anywhere else for daring to question the BLM narrative part of it?

>>15605431
that sounds exactly like restructuring to me desu

>>15605430
He thinks an openly racist Latina is going to vote for Joe Biden just because of her race? An analysis that stupid could only be from /pol/ or the DNC.

>>15602523
>tfw he is Ceasar and Barron is Augustus
Who is Pompey or Lepidus though? Or Cato?

>>15605449
you're trapped in a fictional world where republicans are the party of Racism and anyone who has ever committed Racism is a republican by default. mexicans and blacks hate each other and are both more openly racist towards one another than whites are to either, and yet both are reliably democratic voters.

>>15605369
According to your expert analysis do you think this hispanic male will be voting for Joe Biden as well?

>>15605472
>aha, gotcha! If 70% of Hispanics vote democrat how can one Hispanic republican senator exist?
You’re genuinely one of the least intelligent people on this board.

>>15605467
You're trapped in a fictional world created by Democrat statisticians that believe as soon as whites become a minority, no one will vote for Republicans. Remember after Obama won the Democrats talking about how the Republican party would be a minority party limited to parts of the south? Yet 8 years later, Trump had one of the top 5 biggest electoral college dominations in history.

>>15605416
For the US it actually wasn't that bad since we benefited so much financially while all the other world superpowers destroyed themselves. Not even a lot of Americans died in the equation either. It's Britain that acted unbelievably retarded in the lead up to both wars because they can stand there being a powerful country on the continent like Germany, even though it wasn't even close to posing a threat to the UK's interests.

The US is where it's at for much different reasons, mainly letting Jewish radicals come in influence the immigration debate so much while also letting them spy for the Soviets and giving them nuclear secrets. Recently there was a big hubbub about Israel refusing to give the US missile defense technology even though we paid to develop it because they know we wouldn't be able to keep it secret. If anyone know this it's them.

>>15605497
Do you also have stats for how many Irish and Italians vote for Democrats?

>>15605504
>the statistics are fake news! mexicans actually love voting republican because they're christian and hate niggers!
you retards have been saying this since reagan

>>15605537
>thinking all hispanics in the United States are Mexican

That's why you're so retarded.

>>15605542
>no no see dominicans and hondurans fucking love small government conservatism you guys, trust the plan
lol

>>15605537
>Democrat thinks all Spanish people are Mexican.

True joke.

>>15605526
More than Hispanics, less than anglos or Germans. Irrelevant to the discussion but nice to know, I guess.

>>15605548
You're going to be a living crying Wojack meme in 20 years when hispanic voters vote for some Pentecostal hardliner "they must have internalized white supremacy!" Yeah, yeah, sure.

>>15605554
>>15605548

>>15605597
i'm not surprised that the /pol/ack can only think in memes.
>just 20 more years guys, then our BASED hispanics will finally start voting for us!

>>15605584
I knew we should closed to border to Italians and Irish when we had the chance back in 1876! I guess that's why there hasn't been a Republican president since Taft. All those damn Catholics!

>>15605609
Woah, this guy doesn't vote blue no matter who! He must be from /pol/! Doesn't he realize all people vote strictly on racial lines!

A general feature of contemporary ethno-nationalist thought is intense hatred towards non-whites. I agree with the basic worldview but I the hostility some people have towards Muslims for example, not only migrants but sometimes even those who live in their native homeland, frightens me. The right rarely talk about what actually going to happen when it will rise to power and sounds like some people have fantasies about world conquest and genocide of non-whites.

>>15605619
>I knew we should closed to border to Italians and Irish when we had the chance back in 1876!
Yes.

>>15605628
dumb strawmen won't change the reality of the data no matter how snarkily you make them.

>>15605548
small government conservatism is dead, grandpa

Bump

>>15601541
this is literally an occams razor argument and its true

>>15605639
I legit never met one advocating for big imperial plans, neither on /pol/ nor white interest groups, though I don't visit meme website like stormfront. The most overtly aggressive plans I've seen entertained semi-seriously feature transferring Constamtinople/Istanbul and settling the Cyprus situation by good old kebab removal, which seems quite sensible to me.
Literally every single imperial plan right now from westerners is by the liberal/conservative consensus to bomb people into submission to the globohomo. Countries get threatened or put under sanctions to toe the 'correct' line. Obvious in their infinite wars in he near/middle east, but you also see it in smaller insidious ways (see how some Africans were bullied into fag acceptance for instance, no wonder China has a field day advancing their interests there),
White interest groups have so much to do achieving white separation in 'white' countries that external plans are rarely ever mentioned, and they quite systematically take an isolationist approach towards anything happening outside the western world.

>>15602089
Yeah people in western Europe are protesting because american cop stepped on nigger junkie. Surely there cant be any other underlying cause?

>>15602774
The US has existed for less than a third of the time my country has lmao what does that have to do with anything?

Remember reading Rand and laughing. Now I'm crying

>>15602441
Lmao no
Its a smokescreen put up by capital, have the left worried about microaggressions and the boogieman 'racism' to distract from the 40 years of wage stagnatition and wealth consolidation. Progressives have given up the proletarian fight altogether, and are now more focused on guaranteeing goodies and protection for massed migrant waves (which crushes labor even harder lol), as well as the virtue circus revolving around their pet blacks.

>>15601575
>An empire as diverse as America

America is not as diverse as U would like to think

>>15604689
Our economic model is largely synonymous with the Romans. The roman pleb was made obsolete by the slave economy, which ultraconcentrated weath in the slave owning classes. Safe and reliablr trade across the Mediterranean made local economies all specialize. Large waves of foreigners, apathetic to the idea of Rome itself entered the Empire. The parallels arent that shallow.

>>15604689
>shallow parallels with ancient Rome are in any way important
I have nothing to say about Buchanan one way or the other, but I can certainly agree with you on this. It's such an annoying distraction.

>>15605639
Oh no! those evil republikkkans will kill all the black people just like in Hitler's holcaust!!!

>>15605639
>>15605639
Genocide is the ultimate expression of civilizational health and consciousness. It it the result of a a particular society or people placing their well-being over any conception of "humanity" that has ever existed. One of the clear indicators of China's present superiority is its willingness to be complicit in, admittedly light, act of genocide.

>>15604434
Post body faggot

>>15606512
>The roman pleb was made obsolete by the slave economy
Stop using pleb as a synonym for lower class because that's not how it worked in Rome. They made up the vast majority of people and they were often very rich.

>>15601575
either this or America´s endgame will be something like the Yugoslav Wars and the Spanish Civil War

of course i hope the myth of multiculturalism is destroyed once it for all, pic related

>>15606666
Checked.

>>15606447
This 1000%. Holy fuck dude this entire place has become a cesspool.

>>15601541
America unironically needs to have its back broken, spiritually and metaphysically. The entire metaphysical and psychological framework of the United States is totally incompatible with being a good Catholic. This is why American Catholics are weird. The vast majority of them are trying to reconcile two things that simply cannot be reconciled. The American way of life and path of Catholic holiness are like oil and water. They do not mix and will never mix. You can be a good American or you can be a good Catholic, but you can't be both.

This is why if the United States is ever to fully be a place of great Catholic holiness something very fundamental about it has to change. Something at the very core, the very bedrock, if the "American way" will have to be altered. Because living as an American is so totally alien to the proper way of life in the Church that the only way to be a good Catholic in the United States is to become rabidly anti-American.

>>15607965
>The American way of life and path of Catholic holiness are like oil and water. They do not mix and will never mix.
Yeah, weird how a country based on Enlightenment values doesn’t get along with the totalitarian temple of boy love

>America unironically needs to have its back broken, spiritually and metaphysically. The entire metaphysical and psychological framework of the United States is totally incompatible with being a good Catholic. This is why American Catholics are weird. The vast majority of them are trying to reconcile two things that simply cannot be reconciled. The American way of life and path of Catholic holiness are like oil and water. They do not mix and will never mix. You can be a good American or you can be a good Catholic, but you can't be both.
>This is why if the United States is ever to fully be a place of great Catholic holiness something very fundamental about it has to change. Something at the very core, the very bedrock, if the "American way" will have to be altered. Because living as an American is so totally alien to the proper way of life in the Church that the only way to be a good Catholic in the United States is to become rabidly anti-American.

>>15608199
People post wojaks when the lack arguments :)

>>15608887
What is a wojak? I get that it's a meme but what actually is a wojak? What does the word mean> Where does it come from?

>>15607965
Oh, hey, this is a copypasta, I've seen it before.

>>15601614
And who is Cicero in this scenario?

>>15604821
M'boy what are you going on about with physics.

>>15601189
Man this board is going down the shitter

>>15605297
came here to post this

>>15601955
The transcendantalists are liars and sophists, except those among them who are not, those are fine
t. Edgar Poe

>>15605416
The WW2 is one of the single most important direct causes of American supremacy. It is one of the smartest things the US ever did and it did bring tremendous benefits. The real retards were the Europeans for starting it.

>>15606666
Edgy.

>>15611882
It’s not so much edge as it is, at least in my view, the inevitable conclusion of state oriented civilizations. I predict that the 21st century will either see the rehabilitation of genocide as a political practice or the collapse of the nation state model entirely.

>>15611902
willingness to commit genocide is the main reason the right became ostracized in the first place and it's still the main reason why people avoid joining in.
And I think it's immortal and wasteful as well.

>>15601189
Doomer general?

>>15610403
Ted Cruz

>>15602415
9/11 panic and 9/11 money militarized the police.

>>15611965
The Cold War was an anomalous period of time in which humanitarianism was highly advantageous. Now that it has ended and the resultant system is collapsing, we’ll likely see a change in the attitudes towards it.

>>15611452
Just pointing out that a chapter that takes like 1/7 of the whole book is entirely retarded. That's my area of expertise so of course I remembered it better.
Considering the serious doubt I have with other aspects of his theses and some easily noticed errors, I assume that everything he says on other topics is just as bad, only it didn't shock me as much.
Spengler is a dilettante that tried to force his worldview on many aspects of life and knowledge he didn't understand. He's correct in disliking commies and niggers but that's about it.