/lit/ - Literature

>>15506722
>no referent
Take one puff of a cigarette and voila you can now refer.

Smoking tobacco is disgusting. You smell like shit to everyone around you.

>>15506728
If you've never smoked or haven't smoked for a long time, this is true, but obviously this begs the question of how anyone can enjoy smoking. The answer is that if you smoke long enough, then you get some satisfaction out of getting your fix.

I recently started pipe smoking, something I naively assumed was an entirely different from cigars and other harsher-smelling (secondhand) tobaccos. I found it very similar to a cigar, but with a lot more cleanup. I can see how the ritual of packing, smoking and cleaning a pipe would appeal to some people over other tobacco products, but it now seems to me that it would frequently be a practical thing to have if it were easier to buy loose tobacco than something mass-produced.

>>15506741
>I recently started pipe smoking

reddit

>>15506722
They alo consumed shitton of lead and other toxins. Should we?

>>15506734
Dude, all you need to get satisfaction from cigarettes is a few cigarettes just to get used to it. After like 3-5 cigs smoking becomes very enjoyable. It will never be as enjoyable again.

>>15506741
I hate cigars because they always make my mouth feel and taste like an ashtray for the next 24 hours. Didn't have this problem as much with pipes.

>>15506722
Smoking is the most reddit thing in existence

>>15506728
I don't agree. You don't get a sense of what smoking means to someone off of the first puff. You don't get anything like the full experience, and also miss all the tangential ones; comparing different brands, taking breaks for the express purpose of smoking, breaking down your pack into days (or vice versa). I'm not saying that's necessarily that valuable, just that it's not contained in the first puff, and difficult to really understand secondhand.

>>15506764
Not at all what I'm suggesting. Obviously there are lots of good reasons not to smoke. It's just something that was kind of a universal habit for hundreds of years, and is still relatively accessible. I guess your answer would be "no it doesn't bother me"

look at me i'm cool because i smoke. it's something that grownups do

>>15506722
No I don't smoke
No I don't care. There's many other experiences I don't, can't and won't share with many authors

>>15506805
Is this really what you think every character who smokes is thinking? That seems way off to me.

>>15506782
You don't enjoy smoking, you enjoy the nicotine, you mongoloid. Smoking is disgusting, destroys your taste and smell abilities, make you sell like an dumpsterfire and be dependant on the net fix, like a degenerate drughead.

People which smoke to feel like x celebrity are pathetic beyond help. A leather jacket wont make your beta ass into ryan gosling and smoking wont change you into Helmut Schmidt.

>>15506790
That's interesting. I have the same problem with both, but for a shorter duration. Something really surprised me though was how long facial hair holds on to pipe smoke, which smells much nicer. That's got to be a huge part of why people loved those enormous beards at the same time pipe-smoking was in its prime.

>>15506722
I don't smoke but I take snuff.

>>15506824
You've got an extremely warped sense of why people smoke. It's a good idea not to, but you are a real myopic fuckhead too.

>>15506803
Universal habits come due to necessity. Still ancient tobacco has nothing to do with what today gets sold and further more actual humans only embraced it after colonizing america, which isn't that long to begin with.

>>15506722
>smoke
>have an asthma attack
>smoke some more
>almost die from another asthma attack
>continue smoking
Yeah, guess I’m pretty literary, huh?

>>15506824
For me personally smoking is disgusting only after the first 2-3 cigs. The cigs before that taste great. Especially after drinking.
Do you even smoke?

>>15506816
Not every, most. Especially highschool kids. Most of my class used to smoke.

>>15506836
I smoked for fucking 13 years, I know damn well why people smoke and it's not due to taste. Sure you will have tobacc which tastes better or worse and cope into being a gourmet of sorts doing it for the quality, but in the end you smoke to socialize due to shitty soft skills (it works), social pressure, false ideas about copying the coolness and after a while due to dependance.

Don't act like you're different than all other fucking people on this shtty planet.

>>15506824
I started smoking fatty cigars to look like churchill but my friend told me I look too skinny for the cigar, I'm like 60 kg. I think he's just jealous.

>>15506798
Well, this post marks the point where the word "reddit" on 4chan has lost its meaning entirely. I mean, if "smoking" is reddit, why stop there? How about being left-handed, or cutting sandwiches diagonally, or tying your shoe laces? Is that reddit too? Is it possible that people who make these posts just assume "reddit" means "bad" so they use it when their deficient brain can't think of another word? Really, dumbass? Smoking of all things is "the most reddit thing in existence". Not White middle class self-flagellation; not spouting anti-Trump pro-Sanders soundbites; not circlejerking over progressive ideas, Star Wars, video games, and Black people; not homing terrible memes, repetitive jokes, and confirmation bias. Nope, it's just smoking.

>>15506828
How does a person start of snuff in this day and age? It's getting sold, so there must be a market but I don't think I personally know anyone who uses it.

>>15506851
I smoke for the taste.

>>15506851
I have a cigar a couple times a year. I do it because I like the nicotine buzz.

But also smokemouth goes unbelievably well with cheap orange soda.

>>15506877
The ironic think is that smoking actually makes you unable to taste fine aromas or smell fine smells. Smoking for taste is the biggest meme filter. You can lie to yourself but every ex-smoker will laught at you for a good reason.

Sometimes. It's an expensive and lousy habit, these downsides keeps me from being a full on tobacco addict.
But it feels good, this is undeniable.

>>15506722
Why would you use a photo of Sartre to convince people to smoke through shared experience? He’s a disgusting gremlin, he’ll do the opposite

>>15506851
So when you read about smokers before the health issues were out, do you also look at them with this filter? I'm not disagreeing, it's just an interesting level of vulnerability to add to so many literary figures at once. All of them trapped in a habit they don't actually enjoy because they were copying someone else's coolness or trying to cover social anxiety.

>>15506722
I have smoked dokha like a degenerate for a while, but having realised it looks like crack-like smoking to most, I decided to drop it.
Now I just smoke spliffs like an even worse degenerate, a pretty great life /lit/bros

>>15506903
>convince people to smoke through shared experience?
Not the intention of this thread. This is about how people relate to authors and characters who smoke with or without the shared experience. "No" would be a perfectly normal response to "does it bother you?"

As to Sartre, he's just a guy who did smoke. These French guys, they iconically all smoke.

>>15506722
Are you 16yo or less? What a fucking dumb, shallow and herd argument to be smoking.
>"u dun understan mom i smoke bc i wan to b like da cool kids in ma buk, leave me alon"

>>15506909
An obvious lack of knowing the dangers as well as it being a social standard, as everybody smoked in polite company make it a completely different practice. You smoked as a 8 yo workig in a mine to cope with the hard life. Nobody in the west needs that cope working in a climate controlled office. Todays it's social inabilities which lead people to copy the haard guys from the past (be it smoking, having a long beard, wearing [insert cool movie character] cloths).

Great minds of the past were smoking because that's what practically every man of their time did. Just like the alcohol connsumption at work till the 1960s. But times change and if you drink at work in 2020 you're not one of the guys but an dependant alcoholic which can't deal with lifes shit.

We can't judge the past by our standard, but we can learn from it.

>>15506728
>Smoking tobacco is disgusting. You smell like shit to everyone around you.
True. It's very irritating wannabe smoking around, much rather weed stoners, god i fucking love them and their smoke doesn't smell bad if natural.
Also tobacco smokers shake like chihuahuas, it's so deplorable bc they think they look cool

>>15506816
It's pretty much how the vast majority start

>>15506722
I unironically started smoking Gauloises because I wanted to be Sartre in high school

>>15506928
It's not intended as an argument. Why are you so angry?

>>15506937
Thanks for elaborating. I'd still like the opportunity to try on the world where everyone's tipsy all the time, but I'm glad I don't have to live in it.

>>15506964
Who do you suppose he wanted to be in lycée?

Smoking tobacco is the most NPC thing ever because the drug doesn't even make a interesting thing, you only do it because you socially edgy, admit it. While you think it's edgy in the USA, in France there are tons smoking little the bunch of NPCs they are. Smoking or not smoking is NPC, it depends on your values for doing so.
I can't stand dumb teenage smokers who think they're edgy and counter-culture for doing something that was the norm for ages and still is in some places.
Idk, just take an acid or mushroom if you really are desperate to looking counter-culture and edgy, at least it gives you actual feelings and not make you smell like shit, die early, doesn't annoys other with the smoke or shaking like my grandma's hypothermia in her death day

>>15506969
Sure, it's fun to larp from time to time, but those with low selfestime, few to no friends (social control) and nothing ele going on are in danger of using it as a cope - pretty much an adiction-fedora. Promoting a habit like smoking, which quickly become a regularity, in young people lacking other role modells to understand and follow is just shitty. If you can't follow some dude it's not because you don't smoke and they aren't where they were because they did.

>>15506964
Yikes.

>>15506722
All day, erryday, my nigga.

>>15506976
He wanted to be me
Btw
>tfw no Simone de Beauvoir gf

Both my parents smoked. It's mundane to me and never seemed worth it to get into. I get my fix from yoga. Never had any envy for the life of authors and their characters.

>>15506866
Didn't read

Also go back to re-ddit

>tfw when you will never taste the communal oblivion of the opium dens

its the ultimate 'im doing something but i'm doing nothing' thing to do while drinking bear and talking to people.

Smoking is retarded. You are literally just breathing in smoke??? And it's not even good for you??? Get a grip, retards

>>15506790
Don't smoke them all the way down to a nub, stop when you've burned 2/3rds or at most 3/4s of the cigar.

>>15506722
Yes, though the most it affected my reading was wanting to smoke when a character did

>>15506722
Does it bother me that I don't do things that Sartre of all people did? No it makes me feel very very good.

>>15506871
Pretty much the only place you will find it is online. I have never seen it in any shops anywhere.

>>15506722
the majority of authors and characters 1500-2000 were also racists

>>15507352
Well, assuming you're not, does it bother you that you can't relate to that experience?

Or, if you are a racist, does that help you find some common understanding with these people, even if the direction and grounding of your racism is somewhat different?

>>15507381
Being a racist helped me understand the family's struggle in Absalom Absalom. If you don't value race and honor you will not understand why miscegenation was their demise.

>>15507032
I don't think you're capable of reading, hence your misuse of all sorts of words.

>>15507266
Wow, you just refuted the habits of 30% of the world population. You should write a book about how smoking is just breathing in smoke, bet you would solve the nicotine addiction problem.

>>15506722
I really like the smell of cigarettes and the like but they aren't good for my stomach so I really can't.

>>15506722
I vape fat clouds every hour or so while I translate Latin works to keep me going

>>15506943
>it's so deplorable bc they think they look cool
Sick of this meme. Other than teenagers no one thinks they look cool while smoking. They're just entertaining a habit.

>>15506722
Smoking is the ultimate act of freedom

>>15508511
more like taking a 20-minute loan of freedom

>>15508495
I think most people who are serious about aesthetics can acknowledge that smoking looks cool, they just also know that that is meaningless outside of actual art and that the inclusion of smoking in art (or smoking irl because it's cool) defuses all the potential aesthetic value of smoking.

it's like a catch-22

>>15506734
>it gets good... Probably

>>15506728
spot the non smoker

fags are wonderful but you'l obviously think they taste like shit if you've only tried one cigarette once. grow up.

honestly smoking is just a part of life, it's relaxing calming and pretty cool. if you're a health freak or you care so much about how you think you 'smell' to other people then you can just fuck off.

>>15506871
plenty of specialist tobacconists stock it, look around. anywhere that sells snus, pipes etc is likely to. i live in a mid-size city and there's a shop selling it 10 mins walk from my office

>>15506866
You have to go back
Also checked

>>15506722
I smoke a pipe once or twice a month. It is relaxing.

>>15506722
A cigarette and a coffee in the morning
A cigarette and a martini in the evening
Going to parties in the woods and just chatting and smoking in the soft spring sun when I was sixteen, are memories I'm fond of, but still happy I quit.
And
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc.

>>15508539
There's definitely some aesthetic value in it, sure, but I think a lot of that value is lost once you become a smoker yourself, or just grow up in general. Most of the allure comes from the 'danger' or 'adultness' of it when you're a teenager and still see it as a grown up or taboo activity. Once you become an adult and/or smoker the mystery of it dies and you see it for what it is, just a habit that's somewhat pleasurable.
The aesthetic value is also completely canceled out by the health risks especially once you're actually putting your own health at risk. Very few people are going to sacrifice their health as an adult just to look cool, especially when the aesthetic value is minimal. The only reason most people continue to smoke is because of the pleasure/habit.
That too, if I'm interpreting what you're saying correctly, though I'm not sure I am, you might need to elaborate. The fact that people are going to think you're just doing it for aesthetics does completely cancel out the aesthetic value and can have the opposite effect. Speaking from my own experience I actually hate smoking in public for that reason, among many others. A good ciggy is best enjoyed in solitude.

>>15506722
Vaporising weed is pleasant occasionally, but smoking either it or tobacco tastes and feels awful and gives me acid reflux too, I haven't a clue what the appeal is supposed to be

>>15506728
Lol I smoke aromatics, they're great smelling.

>>15506741
Pipes are a much better and cooler smoke than cigars, and the tobacco is generally better smelling. What did you smoke?

>>15507000

>>15510094
Not him, but I've settled on https://www.pipesandcigars.com/p/scottys-bulk-blends-university-student-pipe-tobacco/1473407/ as a standby. Pleasant and relatively light, good for just enjoying things without going too over the top. And cheap which is nice.

>>15506722
I smoke pipes on occasion

>>15508322
>>15510055
wtf are you talking about??

>>15510113
Lane 1-Q is my go to, but I might try some other tobacco soon enough.

smoke weed often and meth very rarely

>>15506728
>>15506734
It's because most people are smoking commercial cigarettes. Thick paper, dry tobacco, fiberglass filter. Fucking disgusting. Real tobacco smells nice. If you haven't started smoking before you're an adult you shouldn't bother though. Starting late like that is kinda weak and seems really forced.

>>15510143
no crack and heroin? wtf anon

i smoked from the ages of 16 - 26 and then quit
i fucking loved smoking and still miss it ten years later but won't even go back because i'm very stubborn and i made my mind up

>>15506851
>not due to taste
Your fault you were smoking shitty darts.

>>15506851
Confirmed shit cigarette smoker pleb, pipe tobacco is great tasting

>>15510128
I'm talking about why I don't find smoking appealing, idk about the other anon

>>15506980
>I've never smoked a cigarette in my life but let me lecture you about how it has no effect

>>15510204
yeah but what the fuck with that about cigarrete fuckign up your stoch? you are not supposed to eat it dummy

quitting this bs day f 1

>>15510168
I don't understand people like you. People that go around saying "I quit smoking" like it's actually tough. I sometimes smoke a whole bag in a couple days, sometimes just one smoke a day or a couple or whatever, sometimes I stop for months and don't even notice. It's not addictive. You're not chemically addicted to smoking cigarettes. You're addicted to some shitty routine and blame it on cigarettes.

>>15508550
>bro if you don't want to willingly destroy your own body and repulse others for the glory of fleeting momentary relaxation you just need to grow up

>>15510292
Yes.

>>15506943
Weed smoke only smells good to stoners. To everyone else it smells exactly like dog diarrhea.

>>15510286
Cigarette withdrawal is a complete joke compared to alcohol or opiates. It's more that the actual cons of smoking are so insignificant compared to other addictions that there isn't much incentive to stay quit.

>>15510391
I remember in highschool people used to call the good shit skunk pussy as if it was a compliment.

>>15510401
Just smoke when you feel like having a smoke. Don't overthink it. Sick of these fags with smoking schedules. Either they have a smoke schedule or they quit cold turkey and can't be near any without freaking out.

>>15510292
In fairness, your body is already degrading and all comfort is fleeting anyway. You do you, but it's not like you're safe otherwise or other kinds of comforts are "real" and this one's "fake"

>>15506722
Smoke is mystical, the shapes it forms before the wisps disappear into thin air. The Lakota and many other Indians believe the kinnick-kinnick smoke carries their prayers to Wakan Tanka. To them, smoking is a gift given to them to communicate with the spirits.
Really though, I love nicotine. Those shitty ads go on about how a Juul has the same nicotine as a pack of cigarettes or some shit like nicotine is a caustic poison. It's striking how many people drink 400mg of caffeine daily yet believe that nicotine will kill you with lung cancer.
I only occasionally smoke tobacco and never cigarettes, which taste and smell awful. I used to dip but snus is much easier and less of a mess. Don't even bother with the nicotine puches they've come out with. Vaping is a delight and I'm saddened that the media has mislead everyone with such fear-mongering. Ultimately, it comes down to ironic American moralism, and that the NIH researchers & grantees and the states depend huge revenues from the MSA.

>>15510493
Started smoking when I was 12 because I was sick of getting lectured by these absolute fucking melvins day in and day out about how bad smoking was.
>Turn on the TV
>duuurrr smoke bad duuur no smoke
>go to school
>teacher wont shut the fuck up about second hand blah blah cancer blah blah
>see people smoking minding their own business
>some faggot has to walk up and lecture them about it
Got so absolutely fucking fed up of it so fast.

>>15506722
Smoking makes your lungs black, tars up your teeth, gives you an addiction to nicotine, and lowers your lifespan

No thanks.

>>15510579
You've come to none of these conclusions on your own. You blindly repeat these clichés because you had them drilled into your head repeatedly as a child.

>>15506722
Yeah, pretty regularly.
I used to smoke at least 3 times a day. Once on my way to office, second on my break, third when going back home. When I feel stressed I would do it once more.
Now that I'm doing home office I smoke after lunch. or during my coffee time.

Loce it

Remember kids its not the cigarette that makes them cool they were already cool to begin with

>>15506722
within two hours of buying a pack of cigarettes a woman tried to have sex with me for the first time, leading to an fwb situation. so i knew i was onto something. then i quit when corona started, but after seeing literally every dataset show smoking wasnt making a difference i took it back up. being bored led to me smoking more, now i have a shitty habit that keeps growing. i will say that i think they have cognitive benefits, maybe its just because im outside without a screen in front of me but i seem to have more success problem solving/creatively during and right after a cig

>>15506722
I've smoked. Have you? What could you possibly find so significant about it that it affects your experience of life or literature?

I can’t help but notice that whenever this weekly to bi-weekly smoking debate thread gets posted it’s always predicated on OP’s subconscious need to justify his habit, and everyone else’s love of arguing and being right

>>15510894
i think that's partially true but i also think nonsmokers have a complex of their own, they want the freedom to destroy themselves, take themselves down along with the temple walls of their shitty podlife

>>15506722
>First you smoke because your parents told you not to
>Then you smoke because other people are smoking
>And finally you smoke because you are addicted to nicotine
Tale as old as time.

>>15510890
It specifically affects the way I understand someone in a book or poem smoking. I can better guess what feeling someone is having when they decide to pack a pipe, or use a cigarette as an excuse to get some air. It's not revolutionary, it just means I can relate to them in a way I couldn't before. Like being drunk, or getting punched, or having sex. They're all different for different people, but they're also very different than what you imagined before you had been through it.

>>15510922
I think that nonsmokers have way more of a complex than smokers. They have the audacity to use legislature to ban smoking nearly everywhere. Where I'm from it's illegal to smoke anywhere that's got at least 3 walls and a roof, and you gotta be at least 5 meters from a building. Every fucking building hast at least 3 walls and there are building every couple feet for fucks sake. Can't even have a smokers only bar.

>>15511019
i think thats separate from most nonsmokers. the legislation passes b/c its a legitimately disgusting and dangerous habit that takes a huge toll on government resources, as well as tons of money for activists.
the average nonsmoker complex is born from this, they see not smoking as a sacrifice and get mad when other people don't comply with them, especially b/c it seems like a good time (even though its the shittiest high). its the same reason people like to instant karma videos, they enjoy the group reinforcing itself via punishment

>>15511042
>takes a huge toll on government resources
Does it though? Isn't it one of those things that evens out because smokers die earlier and therefore don't use services when they're old.

Not to mention that logic would apply to fat people

>>15511019
I have a major "lung cancer aversion" complex as Freud once termed it

>>15511048
the logic absolutely applies to fat people, and the government (at least before the current insanity) tried to encourage fitness and probably still does.
thats an interesting point about dying early

>>15511042
>the legislation passes b/c its a legitimately disgusting and dangerous habit
You don't actually fucking care about this. Nobody actually fucking gives two shits about this. Cramming 16oz burger down your fat distended gullet and washing it down with a 2l diet coke is a disgusting fucking habit but you don't see anybody passing legislation against it. I don't want to have to smell the filth building up between some fatsos lard rolls but I'm not gonna try to get any laws passed to stop him.

>>15511063
yet you probably drink, also bad for you
you probably speed, endangering yourself and other drivers
smoking is bad, but i feel like we're at a point where the anti-smoking mindset is also weird, especially for men

>>15511064
>thats an interesting point about dying early
It's just something I've heard repeated a lot, I don't know what the actual numbers are. Personally I get a very Puritan vibe from the whole anti-smoking thing, but I do understand that being around smoke just annoys some people a lot.

My impulse would just be to say leave it up to the people in question, if they want their bar/restaurant to be non-smoking or smoking that's their choice.

>>15511042
People who smoke don't go to the doctors you fucking retard. When my lungs hurt I wait till they don't. Who fucking cares if I get cancer.

>>15511091
>>15511063
pretend you are a woman looking for someone to fuck. which of these do you find sexier?

>>15506722
Quit a year ago and still get cravings after a couple beers. Wasn't even a big smoker but some habits are hard to break like lighting up while waiting for someone or after a meal. Don't start smoking anons, it fucks up your wallet, your health and your sense of smell and doesn't even get you high. Quitting is a bitch too, there's literally nothing to be gained from it.

Yeah, I smoke some black cavendish from time to time.

>>15510227
when I breathe it in it irritates my upper throat and that gives me acid reflux
doesn't happen with vaped weed, only smoked or tobacco

>>15506911
>dokha
.بايسد

>>15510952
Or you can smoke in moderate amounts that don't have any real risk of health complications beyond a very, very slight risk.

>>15506722
>>15506803
Being a good reader/writer is about vicariously imagining these parts of the human psychology... you don’t need to develop an addiction to carcinogens in order to imagine what Monsieur Mersault feels like smoking. You should really break the habit.

>>15506722
No. I don’t give a shit that I don’t understand what many characters or authors feel like smoking. If someone is bothered by that, you shouldn’t be, you’re a pussy if you care that much. If you already smoke, whatever.

>>15506722
I chain chew nicotine gum as an added stimulant to coffee enemas

I'm smoking my tobacco pipe right now as I do each night before bed. Sitting out with my dogs roaming the yard enjoying the cool night air.

>>15511709
But because everyone who writes about smokers lived in a time when it was the norm, nobody describes it thoroughly. Furthermore, I know for a fact the way I imagined smoking, and the different things you can smoke, was very unlike actually smoking. Imagination is important, but it's usually wrong. If the cost of a new experience is low, and it is low enough for me with occasional tobacco use, then it is worth having.

>>15510167
not really interested in doing crack since i've done cocaine a bunch of times and don't like it that much compared to other party drugs like ketamine or mdma.

interested in trying an opiate but heroin seems too dangerous though

>>15511955
>interested in trying an opiate but heroin seems too dangerous though
you need to experience some shatter instead bro

>>15506866
Correction: your post is the most reddit thing in existence

>>15511966
i did shatter once and liked it a lot. one of the most potent highs i've ever had and still surprisingly clear headed.

don't think it's worth the investment for all the dabbing equipment and shatter. i'll just stick with edibles

One time some Nepali refugees gave me a betel nut to suck on. That would be a cool habit to start. It's like light cocaine.

started smoking at 14 because it seems cool, now 29 and haven't stopped because not only am I addicted but because, as few would say, it has become part of my being. To stop smoking means to change who I am and despite what smokers will say, I think that the smoking makes me "cool"

>>15511955

And as for crack and heroin. Crack is a faster more intense and weirder high than coke. If you've done cocaine you're not missing much.

And as for heroin its only scary because you're told so. no drug is addictive the first time no matter what people say . As long as you dont fuck up and miss, you're good. just snort a tiny amount (like a tiny little bump) and you'll be fine

It helps me concentrate unironically.

>>15506722
I quit two weeks ago, and let me tell you, i share the experience of all the smokers in my books to a rather irritating degree

>>15506866
Great pasta, going to save this

>>15506734
>begs the question
thats now how you use that phrase you retarded nigger

>>15512698
kek i write this on my hs student papers all the time and this made me think for a split second what would happen if i said this

>>15506722
no and no

>>15510401
This is complete bullshit. Not as dangerous as quitting alcohol but go to any rehab and all junkies and alcoholics will tell you that smoking is harder to quit.

Imagine being such a dork that you got to smoke to try associate yourself with "writers"

I am very braindagrd from smoking so man maryjane

I smoked for a couple of years in the army, quit more or less later after I went to prison. I resumed very casually but it started to taste and smell so awful to me I simply couldn't stand it, it made me sick. I later became a Muslim so now I can't since it was declared haram when the health issues surfaced

>>15512903
Pipes smell and taste good btw but they're also haram. Cigars smell the worst but are much better tasting than cigarettes. Cigarettes make me gag

I once smoked a cigar. Went to sleep and had a vivid dream about a zombie apocalypse.

If I coped the habits of my favorite authors I'd be an alcoholic homosexual

I've always felt that true coolness demands a total absence of pretence. Just before I quit, I had a realisation that I was very much just smoking to look cool. Though there were peripheral motivations (like physical dependency) the core was a want to be edgy and cool etc. Is sacrificing your lungs worth it to ACTUALLY be cool? Maybe. To pretend to be? Nah.

>>15506722
I don't smoke but I do take opioids, does that count?

>>15506722
Had a cigar once. I could see myself smoking cigars every now and then to celebrate a special occasion. Since that would be only once or twice a year (if even that) I wouldn't feel too concerned about the long term health effects.

>no one:
>absolutely no one:
>not a single molecule in the whole universe:
>OP: Do you smoke /lit/?
>the entire world: cringe
>OP: referent
>literally the whole world: cringing too hard, can't breathe
>OP: 1500-2000
>absolutely every single person on earth: dead

>>15513204
take your cringe format back youtube you mongoloid

>>15513204
this next level trolling

>>15507251
This is what they took from us. is there anywhere were smoking opium is still commonplace?

>>15512762
t. insecure dork

Most writers also had sex, a family and a homogenious society with standards. If anything those are the relevant things to understand them, not some consumer tier shit shilled by mega cooperations.

Only herbal cigs are /lit/

>>15506722
All great intellectuals smoke, I really consider that.

>>15514006

I don’t think smoking changes much about a character or their personality. I don’t think it’s anything major about a character and it can’t change the ability to relate to the character.

>>15514119
You're not a redskin displaying his cultural heritage and contributing to his societal fabric, you're a wipipo birdjaw which thinks he can become X celebrity by consooming all superficial characteristica which that person is known for. You're the reason Marlboro Man was used as the perfect subversion, as every brainlet wanted to be a manly cowboy going his own way riding into the sunset YEEHAAA.

Imagine being such a good drone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HyxEeEU6_4

>>15514249
Projection

>>15514249
All lives are first conceived in the minds of those doing the living

You're really sitting here on an anonymous messageboard talking to some probably white dude on the internet who smokes about the fact that he's not something. Honestly I lost fucking track with you it was so embarrassing

>>15514275
Kvetching "projection" is the adult version of children shouting "mirror" to circumvent some peer shittalking.

>>15514280
Were discussing the self-image and resulting cognitive changes due to smoking. If you're not able to comprehend that such habits have to be considered in their historical context as well as within the memeing and commodifocation in our current age, you might want to leave this thread. For our more simple anons: a) Smoking isn't the relevant character change which makes you understand x person better (if anything it's their culture which promoted the smoking), b) falling for a commodified picture sold to you to feel how your daily life and personal challenges prevent you from feeling is a cope, just like video games and c) comparing some native dude smoking a pipe to some first worlder which started to smoke because he wanted to be edgy during the 90s is laughable.

>>15510128
>>15510227
>Smoking contributes to many common disorders of the digestive system, such as heartburn and gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), peptic ulcers, and some liver diseases. Smoking increases the risk of Crohn’s disease, colon polyps, and pancreatitis, and it may increase the risk of gallstones.

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/smoking-digestive-system

>>15506742
>reddit
Damn it. Four posts in and I already lost the game. Rent free, my dude, seek help.
>>15506798
>>15507032
>>15508620
>>15512232
fuck sake.

>>15514317
I'm saying projection because you have no idea why I, or many other people, started smoking yet you're using it as an excuse to push your narrative of slave morality when your own post reeks of slave morality.

>>15506836
>>15506824
>>15506851
>>15506722
>>15506980

Gentlemens, the solution is the smokeless smoke, pic related.

Available at your friendly neighborhood drugstore. Let 'em know anon sent you.

>>15506728
> Smoking tobacco is disgusting

wrong. being a faggot, cutting your genitals to play pretend gender and eating out ass is disgusting.

smoking is cool.

>>15514359
Ah yes, tell me how you started smoking which doesn't boil down to
>peer pressure by your friends
>commercial conditioning
>compensating for a lack of personality
>circumventing your lacking soft skills in a school/ work envoirement

I'm sure, you're on of those real bean individuals which was cast away, rescued by an indigenious tribe, nursed back to health, become on of them and introduced to their mystical rituals - now fondly being able to remember them with every fag you smoke.

Or was it more like having lost both your parents, needing to work in a mine and only smokes being able to keep you up and concentraded enought to survive another back-breaking day to earn some food?

Oh no, let me guess. You've been emotionally so destroyed that smokes are you're inner desire to leave this plain of existance after your wife was killed by a satanic cult?

>>15506742
>>15506741
>I recently started pipe smoking

based.

>>15514411
>peer pressure by your friends
None of my friends smoked when I started and they actually gave me shit for it. None of my closest friends smoke to this day.
>commercial conditioning
I grew up in an era and a country where smoking was never advertised as anything but bad for you. Pic related.
>compensating for a lack of personality
Smoking has nothing to do with my personality.
>circumventing your lacking soft skills in a school/ work envoirement
99% of my cigarettes are smoked alone.

Any other theories?

>>15514317
just have a cig lil man. itll calm u down

>>15514456
>Any other theories?
Yes, basically the edgy cool teen, doing shit that's verboten to stand out from his envoirement. But why don't you tell us how you became the crow.

>>15514536
>Y-YOU JUST DO IT TO BE EDGY
you dont do it to fit in with your fellow r*dditors and b/c daddy zog's cock is down your throat

>>15514536
My parents both had pretty European values when it came to drugs/alcohol/sex etc. They also grew up in the 60s/70s so I didn't have much to rebel against, and do you really think smoking is a rebellious act in the 21st century? It's so cliche it's no longer rebellious, and I knew that at the time.

Any other theories? Maybe you'll get the real one if you try a few more times.

>>15513373
Parts of India and the middle east. You can grow your own poppies though anon - they are pretty hardy plants.

>>15514411
Not him, but the first time I smoked I was in my mid-20s, and a coworker gave me (and a bunch of other coworkers) a cigar to celebrate the birth of his daughter. Smoked it at home that night, and thought that it was pleasant and relaxing. I started having a cigar every now and then (maybe once every few months; was never a big smoker) just because it was nice and I enjoyed the experience. Switched to a pipe (first a corncob, and now a cheap hardwood), and smoke a small bowl of tobacco maybe once or twice a month, again just because it's a pleasant thing to do.

Don't think that this has been the result of peer pressure, commercial conditioning, a lack of personality, or circumventing soft skills, especially given that I generally smoke by myself and not with others.

>>15506851
I smoked for 2 years and these were my reasons too.

>>15506895
It only "feels good" because you're in withdrawal from the last cigarette

>>15506851
>Have no social skills
>Get to college (UK)
>There's a smoker's corner where all teh edgy kids congregate
>Have to spend time there to have a fag
>Actually end up making friends with the edgelords
>Some of them are actually bretty cool

>Go to uni
>No friends
>Go to smoking area
>tfw no one other than one aged professor smokes there
>fancy uni where very little of the student body smokes
>graduate three years later with zero friends

How the fuck do people make friends without smoking if they're autists like me, never got it.

>>15515182
Why didn't you make friends with the aged professor?

>>15514571
phew

>>15506734
oh so THAT'S how nicotine works!

>>15506943
>Also tobacco smokers shake like chihuahuas
pretty sure they were smoking something other than tobacco

>>15506722
the fact that i have no referent for experience of having sex and relationship shared by majority of authors and characters 2100 BC-2000 bother me much more

>>15514797
Then explain to me why my first cigar made me so fucking happy.

>>15515590
>consume drug for the first time
>get rushed and hyped

>>15511695
I didn't say how much I smoke. (3 cigs a day, incidentally) I was more making a point about how the culture, even anti-smoking culture, leads to use and dependence. It's a crop that has achieved symbiosis with humanity, same as wheat or rice or tea.
As for the health risks? No-one gets out alive, my man.

>>15506722
>no referent
just ihnale some tabaco smoke and that's it.
>sage

>>15506728
Smoking cigarettes is disgusting, pipe and cigar is pure and you don't inhale. It's nowhere near as unhealthy, not saying it's healthier than not smoking at all, but it is FAR healthier than cigarettes or vapes.

>>15517314
What's the point of smoking if you don't inhale? Not trolling just retarded

>>15517358
It's kinda theraputic and relaxing, again there are risks mainly in mouth and throat cancer but not extemely high and nowhere near cigarettes. But I mean lots of people drink alcohol and I'd say there's bigger risks than cigars. Cigars are not physically addicting like cigarettes either.

But yeah it's kinda theraputic, there's different tastes and smells, it's kinda an oral fixation thing not really a fixation though. Idk just the idea of sitting out in the fields with a book and a cigar sounds nice, it kinda is like that. You don't inhale, but you do suck like a straw kinda. Idk.
Same goes for pipes. Cigarettes are revolting, vapes are just a meme cigarette.

I also don't wear a fucking cravat.

>>15515233
?

I smoked for a few years, it was ok. Definitely not worth the pain, and the "fix" is easily replaced by superior and less aggresive vices.

i have never met a smoker under 30 that wasn't some sort of degenerate

>>15517168
I smoke a pipe like 3-4 times a year, I'm not very concerned about the health risks.