/lit/ - Literature

>>15495490
please check >>15495397

last three books you finished
last three businesses you trashed

>>15495490
thoughts on mutts like me?

>>15495490
Why are you doing this? Most racists aren't going to change their opinion based on one black person who reads.

>>15495499
>>15495527
I'm not here to convince people not to be racist. Just want to establish that we're out there

>>15495502
>last three books you finished
The Gay Science, Journal of the Plague Year, some Iris Murdoch novel

>>15495509
Hmm, what kind of mutt?

>>15495499
what the fuck why has this been cancelled

>>15495534
>Journal of the Plague Year
holy shit gotta check this out thanks dark skin fellow

I think the biggest Dune youtuber was a black individual.

>>15495534
Negroid, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Jewish my guy

Given that it seems you're a fellow reader of Nietzsche, I'm curious what your take is on these riots and things like BLM. I personally don't really give a shit, not that I don't have any sympathy or that I'm racist, I just can't find it in me to actually care about anyone, even a lot of my own race for that matter.

>>15495490
Alright. I'll be real.
1) How would you define "the black experience"?
2) Have you had personal experience with racism, if so, do tell.
3) Have you ever struggled as an individual against what was expected of you: "the culture"
3B) How would you define black culture?

>>15495585
Yikes.

Not OP

>>15495585
You sound like a friend I had in college. You're alright with me.

>>15495595
>I'm curious what your take is on these riots and things like BLM
I'm not a fan. As you can probably guess, to me it reeks of slave morality and ressentiment. I'll get shit for this but at its core, I don't find BLM's concern unimportant. As these riots can attest (though I think they're despicable), police militarization and occasional lack of accountability should raise the eyebrows of anyone who still believes in having a state. But the norms of critical race theory and idpol that BLM engage in (engendering shame and guilt in white people for an obvious example) are unpalatable and a cancer.

>>15495596
Hell if I know what the "black" experience is. I live my life as an individual first and as a black individual somewhere between 15-20th on my list of things that define me. I've been called a nigger maybe 3 times in my life and after getting over the initial shock, I quickly got over it and went about my day.

>>15495490
What are your top 5 writers, film directors, video games, and other media?

>>15495675
How many black people have you come across that you can intellectually connect with?

>>15495551
Based Defoe

>>15495675

Why do you want to steal white women from me

>>15495737
To feed them to the Jews.

>>15495682
>What are your top 5 writers, film directors, video games, and other media?
Writers: Balzac, Dickens, Yuko Tsushima, Nietzsche, Anais Nin
Film Directors: Ozu, Linklater, Gilliam, Cronenberg, idk any French new-waver
Video Games: FFIX, Pokemon Pinball, Vagrant Story, The Longest Journey, Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow
Music genres: House, Prog Rock, Shoegaze, Noise/experimental, 70s Brazilian

>>15495699
Few but I think that's on me. I never sought any out but my family was worthless. Though we had a falling out, I have a buddy who now works for the Atlantic.

>>15495739
This.

>>15495490
How do you feel about AAVE?

interesting thread on /pol/ yesterday about whether /pol/fags are really racist or just playing it up. plenty of "FUCK U NIGGER I KILL ALL NIGGERS FUCK NIGGERS" posts from probable newfags/psyops but almost every other reply was far more subtle and nuanced, the vast majority of posters had surprisingly melancholy self-awareness about the whole "nigger vs. black" dichotomy and how ugly racism can be, when it's completely one-dimensional boomer hatred

>>15495490
how do you feel about black people using the N word?
(the N word that ends with A and not a hard R)

>>15495753
Do you think all black people have the potential to be as gifted as you, or is there some kind of inherent genetic limit? Do you think the reasons for the instability of African Americans is solely cultural and due to rap culture and other toxic influences?
Honestly, I have never met an intelligent black man like you, and I've spoken to many African Americans. Are ancestral origins from West or East Africa?

>>15495753
>>15495782
Also, I must admit, your tastes in literature and film impress me. Are you a literature major?

>>15495782
>is solely
are solely*

>>15495534
>some Iris Murdoch novel
What, it wasn't good enough for you to remember the name? Sucks to your assmar, pal.

>>15495773
>unable to type out "nigga" on an anonymous image board
Your mother did a nice job.

>>15495490
Are you american black or other black? At least in my experience black americans are nothing like British blacks or the African blacks i know/have spoke too.

>>15495811
i thought using the politically correct term would better convey the sincerity of my question
also my mother's a cunt

>>15495675
can we have a round of applause for our BASED black friend over here???

>>15495836
dance monkey dance

Americans are fucking dumb
They base their whole founding myth on a riot and now they're all like "Oh no you can't do that send in the army"
Maybe if you stood up to authority just once in your fucking loser lives you wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world

>>15495823
Your mom's a nigga

>>15495490
Ok OP, I've always wondered how POC can stand to browse 4chan with the constant racial epithets that get thrown around on every board. It's easy enough for a white person like myself to just ignore it as none of them are directed at me, but isn't it hard to converse on here when almost every thread has some dumbass talking about niggers and kikes? Or are you just desensitized to it at this point? Furthermore, do you think its supposed purpose of filtering normies makes it justifiable?

What is your opinion on "racial authenticity"? Do you think that it perpetuates stereotypes and interracial conflict within members of the same race and ethnic groups?

How do you react if someone is noticeably anxious around you?

>>15495754
https://youtu.be/IKuduKo7ovk

>>15495773
Doesn't bother me. I don't use the word myself but years of 4chan desensitization have made it funny to me in lots of contexts.

>>15495782
>>15495788
I'm a STEMfag technically.My ancestors were poor Southern sharecroppers so I guess I'm from West Africa. None of the black people where I grew up had any intellectual curiosity or thirst for knowledge other than my dad. It's simply not instilled in the community. I think black people are essentially neurotic, insecure in their feelings of inferiority. Being part of a historically disenfranchised class give you a raison detre if you identify with it. That way, you don't have to sculpt an identity for yourself.

>>15495819
Yup, black American.

>>15496015
race of your gf/wife/fuckbuddy/cuckholdress

>>15496015
What do you hate most about black people and white people?

>>15495490
Can you really blame white people for hating niggers when you consistently so shit like this?

>>15495978
I'm mostly a lurker. As you said, I'm mostly desensitized. I don't identify as a nigger, so why should the word get to me? The racism is probably pretty cathartic for many, so it's whatever. Honestly, the jezebelle posting and absolute obsession with women get to me more.

>>15495992
To your second question, yes. That's why I opt out. I feel about racial authenticity the way I think about it in music communities. I enjoy black metal but I'm not true "kvlt" but that doesn't make me less of a fan.

>>15495999
Feel pity for them.

>>15496026
Japanese.

>>15496039
Black people: I think they can become trapped in a mode of thinking that prevents self-actualization.
White people: They're kind of pussies. They let themselves get bullied into negative emotions.

>>15496049
What are you even trying to say here?

>>15496015
Absolutely based, I hope one day a black man like you will establish an authoritarian state as a philosopher king ruling over all of your kind and slowly shaping them into something that can manage a successful state.

>>15496077
based

>>15496077
>Japanese.

Absolutely Based

>>15496077
>Honestly, the jezebelle posting and absolute obsession with women get to me more.
Why? Are you gay or one of those "born-again" Trad Catholics? Also, what are your thoughts on religion? Do you think your race would benefit from becoming atheist or following a different religion?

>>15496077
>Black people: I think they can become trapped in a mode of thinking that prevents self-actualization.
>White people: They're kind of pussies. They let themselves get bullied into negative emotions.

true true true

>>15495490
How do you think America can overcome racism without ressentiment?

>>15495675

>police militarization should raise the eyebrows who still believes in having a state

Yes, a thousand times. George Floyd's race is being used as a distraction, a misdirection of anger in the second most egregious example of police brutality (after Shafer) in recent history.

What was your youth like? Was your dad involved in your life and was his dad involved in his? Without fail, every black guy I've met who either had dad or grandad involvement in their life has been based AF.

>>15495753

>FFIX, Vagrant Story
>Prog Rock

>>15495490
How many nogs would a nig nog nig if a nig nog could nig nog?

>>15496077
What are your favourite black metal bands?

>>15496077
Was your racial authenticity ever questioned growing up until now? Do you think it stems from a need for solidarity amongst blacks? Have you ever been called an Uncle Tom or some derivation because of your taste in art and other interests?

>>15496136
Developing self-awareness and critical thinking skills. Not just blacks, but all races are guilty of this

>>15496189
You know the majority of people is incapable of that. We have to be realistic here

>>15495490
what do you think of country music, niggeranon? Is it a tool of white supremacy?

excuse the sloppy handwriting.

>>15495490
I was watching Django Unchained recently and there was an interesting quote by Christoph Waltz's character that brings up an interesting point that I haven't been able to discuss with a well read black person yet. The quote is, "I have never given anyone their freedom before. And now that I have I feel vaguely responsible for you." Do you think that there should have been more assistance provided to former slaves by the government after they were given their freedom so as to better integrate them into society as free citizens, or do you think there are other factors that have contributed to the majority of blacks in America still not being viewed equally?

>>15496236
>>15495490
I always knew off-topic posters were niggers, fuck off

>>15495739
Based

>>15495754
The Defi platform? It's fantastic, better than Compound.

>>15496108
Dude, this is a literature board. I'm an idiot enough to still come here looking for interesting conversation. I know we all roleplay as sad lonely virgins here but the catalog sometimes is 40% /adv/ and r9k threads full of fags absolutely seething that women exist. I'm agnostic and a far cry away from my atheism 2.0 days. My mom's a Christian and it helps her out a lot so I don't mind it. Can't speak on the race though. There's probably some baggage with it they need to leave behind.

>>15496136
Sounds cringe but honestly, read more Nietzsche or Melville. Strive for a non-racialized , transcendent self. But I don't think America can get over it. Our memory is simultaneously too short and too long.

>>15496153
My dad was a bit of a prick but yea, he was around. He's dead now but I'm only now realizing that he was a major impetus for learning in my life. Took me to museums, record shops, and artsy movies. He was an engraver and I read a Blake poem at his funeral. His dad is still alive actually.

>>15496179
Celtic Frost, Burzum, Liturgy (please forgive me), Ulver, Lurker of Chalice. More of a doom metal guy though. Love Earth.

>>15496180
I got shit in junior high and high school for "being white". I don't have the dialect of where I come from due to getting my accent from 70s sitcom reruns. I had lots of white friends that accepted me unquestioningly though. I've never been called an Uncle Tom (it's a gross epithet) but I definitely have some Tom-ish views.

>>15496205
I don't listen to a lot of country, I'm more of a folk guy. Though I like Loretta Lynn, anything Johnny Cash, Glenn Campbell, Brad Paisley, Garth Brooks, etc. A hodgepodge I know.

>>15496236
I was expecting you to show up. This thread is partially in tribute to you.

>>15496246
I should add; do you think there are other factors beyond the governments control that have contributed to the majority of blacks in America still not being viewed equally?

As an Ashkenazi jew I can safely say that whites and blacks should both be
slave races. IQ progression is not linear and whites are much, much closer to
blacks than they are to us. Subhuman whites need to realise that, for all
practical purposes, they're intellectually indistinguishable from blacks but
they're massively inferior physically. Both groups need to accept their
subservient role in future societies.

>>15496256
>He was an engraver and I read a Blake poem at his funeral.
Do you remember which poem? I've been slowly going through Blake over the last couple months

>>15496256
>I was expecting you to show up. This thread is partially in tribute to you.

Oh? I'm curious; where do you recognize me from?

But, that aside, I'm glad you made this thread. I was toying with the idea of doing it myself before shooting it down for various reasons.

are you from chocolate city (ATL, DC, Oakland, etc) or some fly-over-ville or something in between?
you said you're done with school, how did the black presence on your campus compare to where you grew up.
and finally, how is it in your workplace and field? you said STEM so I'm assuming you're more of a minority there than the general US population. however I heard that Afro-americans do better at math vs humanities since there is no cultural baggage involved, so am I wrong about STEM?
do you feel you have benefited from affirmative action? how does that jibe with the Nietzschian ideas you mentioned previously?

would it be fair to say most people capable of intellectual thought feel less attachment to whatever group they're in, and you are experiencing this through a black american lens? is that something you have noticed in other smart people you have met, black or otherwise? or do you feel your detachment is unique to you?

>>15496256
What's your opinion of Death Grips?

>>15495819
Can you explain a little bit? I'm American and obviously only encounter American Blacks, but love hearing British Black accent, curious to hear more.

>>15496266
I'm sure he's forgotten which poem he read at his father's fucking funeral

>>15496309

>>15495764
I don't post on 4/pol/, but I was an 8/pol/ poster back in the day. Honestly, I really don't care about race on an individual level & I genuinely don't "hate" Blacks. I larp about it of course, but it really is just a matter of understanding that forcing multiculturalism will necessarily lead to conflict & exploitation, and an eventual race war. I also (although there's no point trying to discuss this on /pol/) genuinely view White people as responsible for most of the problems around now & the whole thing with the Jews as being karma for being corrupt & weak.

These days I'm actually more of a general elitist anyway. I don't see why I should have any kind of loyalty to a bunch of White trash any more than I should a bunch of ghetto niggers. They're all about on the same level imo. I'd probably have more in common with an intelligent & well educated Black man than the average /pol/tard these days. If racial loyalty is about kin selection, I find it very arbitrary to extend it to a bunch of people I have no connection or even common culture with outside of a similar skin tone.

>>15496343
awesome blog but I don't remember asking

not literature. fuck off to >>>/b/ you stupid retard

>>15495490
>thought I'd attempt to defy some stereotypes
congrats for failing

>>15495675
>being black is so bad you act like it is irrelevant to you

>>15496246
>>15496260
You ask tough questions that I don't feel qualified to answer. I will say: Reconstruction Era America was a crucial time for newly freed blacks and they were fucking yeeted from whatever financial and property gains they made by literal lynch mobs. But America was still too logistically primitive to temper white hatred. So I don't know what the government could have done. I think getting over prejudice (if that's a worthy endeavor) is something that has to happen on an experiential level, and despite an unprecedented heterogeneity in America, maybe we just don't talk enough. Like actually talk.

>>15496266
>>15496309
It was The Little Black Boy. I still cry every time I read it. Blake may be my GOAT.

>>15496275
I frequently see your threads on the board. I'm really impressed with all the languages you seem to know or at least seem to be learning and I appreciate your taste in lit.

>>15496280
From the deep South basically, though I reside in New England now. I'm still in school actually. Finishing up a PhD. My undergrad campus was very diverse (*shiver*) but I'm on a super white campus now. I'm the only black guy in my program and one of the only black grad students around. Less than 1% of the population have doctorates, so imagine what it must be for blacks. So yea, in the minority. I was shitty at math but I mostly do statistics now, which isn't really math. I've always had hangups with affirmative action but honestly, if someone is willing to give me a spot I'll take it, just like I won't complain if stupid white liberals want to gibs me free money. I feel super detached to my current peer group. They're all too linear thinking and don't give two fucks about humanities or the arts. I'm probably about as detached as anyone who doesn't have anyone around to shared their interests.

>>15496290
Big fan.

>>15496256
>More of a doom metal guy though
mah nigga, do you post on /mu/ ?

>>15496250
>>15496361
>>15496362
I appreciate your moxy.

>>15496379
Almost never. I care too much about music to let it be ruined by 4channel's pettiness. Though I did find fellow fans of SND/Mark Fell that one time and it was nice.

>>15496373
Do you think that people's views of black men in particular have been formed by the way they're portrayed in the media?

>>15496436
>SND/Mark Fell
did we just become best friends?

>>15496236
Very nice. Now let's see OP's hands

>>15495978
Not OP but am black, i started by using /pol alot before i knew how 4chan worked. So am ready desensetised to the racism. At a point was desensetised to gore images circulating 4channel but i usually avoid those. Back to racism on here, it is usually trolling. Being African its really hard to feel attacked because its mainly directed to African Americans and 98% of the time the people being racist are having an eskewed view of black people as a race and they really are just looking for people to support their preconceived notions.
I would reply more but every reply i post i go through alot of steps on this clover app I use, so i really mostly just lurk.
For the past year or so I browse /lit the most of the time.

>>15496549
do you live in Africa?
how did you find 4chan?

>>15496583
About 5 years back. I don't recall exactly what I was doing but i was a kid who liked to use tor browser and image boards were popular on the browser.

Also any gore video which was being deleted on Facebook and Twitter could easily be found on /pol. Like a mass shooting or terrorist attack.

>>15496583
Yes. Am Ugandan. God i hate capture.

>>15496466
How are they portrayed?

>>15496478
I think we just did. I know you're one of the good people.

>>15496549
>>15496621
>>15496630
Bless you Ugandan anon.

>>15496638
Good morning bros. Its almost 3 am this side. I pray we have less threads about the booktuber chick that waves her cane arms alot.

>>15496667
>I pray we have less threads about the booktuber chick that waves her cane arms alot.
lmao

>>15496343
good post anon, i'm >>15495764

>>15495490
Why the impulse to serve yourself up as a specimen to be gawked at? Why do you say your purpose is to "defy stereotypes" when all you do is spew black stereotypes here:

>>15496015

I know your type. Jacking off to white attention and white head-pats and white confirmation. Always ready to assure white people that you're not like those other Negroes--you read all the right books and listen to all the right music. You have the right education and talk the right way. And the blacks were so mean to you in school, those savages. Blacks lack self control and work ethic. And your best friends were all white because they "get you."

The whole time you're living your life in a reaction against black and in a reaction towards white. Nobody says you have to listen to black music and read black novels exclusively. But Burzum? Ridiculous. Pure inauthenticity. Pure insecure narcissism.

This whole thread is obscene masturbation. A real grim look into the fragile psyche of a black man projected back at himself so many times he's faded out of existence.

>>15495675
>I've been called a nigger maybe 3 times in my life and after getting over the initial shock, I quickly got over it and went about my day.

As Mex/White (I look Asian) I can relate to this quite a bit. I think only once in my life someone called me a beaner and it was a friend joking when I told him I was Mex

>as a black individual somewhere between 15-20th on my list of things that define me.

Do you have any siblings that have radically different opinions about being black, or the importance of it? I have a sister who's gung ho on this whole "latinx" feminist poetry struggle shit

>>15496667
Joining you in prayer

post BBC or fuck off

>>15496720
>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST LISTEN TO BURZUM AS A BLACK PERSON THAT WOULD BE INAUTHENTIC NOOOOOO
kys nigger

>>15496776
based

>>15496776
>>15496800
cringe

>>15496720
OP here. Yea I like attention; who doesn't? Sounds like you need to sort yourself out m8. Sublimate that nervous rage to a creative project.

>>15496736
My siblings and I have just never discussed it. I never thought of asking them to discuss what it is to enact blackness. Not sure if I could even have that discussion.

>>15496720
so, you're racist towards a black dude trying to act white?
man, a nigga just can't win

>>15495490
>nigger q&a
Do you feel unnatural in your clothes?

>>15496806
Sublimate the white dick in your ass into a real sense of self.

>>15496015
I have a lot of respect for you as an individual. I guess I don't really see people like you as black. I see you as an intellectual first and foremost. Intellectuals exist in every race, but some races just have more of them overall. I would consider you an intellectual overall because you are able to avoid ressentiment while not wasting time in dumb fields like gender studies or race relations. Do you plan to ever write or get involved in some other artistic endeavor?

>>15496720
Maybe just maybe he doesn't define himself as being black? I mean, we're dealing with individuals at the end of the day. However, we can still observe common trends while acknowledge the person as an individual. I am impressed in this man's sophisticated tastes in literature and film and how he doesn't reduce his existence into a racial narrative of self-victimization. There is more to life than just race. There are ideals, noble passions or endeavors, and more.

>>15496907
>acknowledge
acknowledging*

You aight, black boy

What are your thoughts on the representativity issue? Do you feel alienated or bothered with the lack of black authors in the mainstream? Do you feel good when you see black authors thriving? What do you think about those movements that seek to make the educational syllabus more inclusive?

Keep in mind that you're talking to a white dude that is used to seeing white authors writing about white characters, therefore I have no idea on what is the perspective of a black guy in the West.

>>15496907
>>15496907
He called himself a nigger in the first post, how does he not define himself as being black? The stated purpose of this thread was to defy stereotypes and answer questions. And all he's given us is X number of different ways to say "I'm not like those other blacks."

He's a black man in response. A black man in reaction. There's a difference between being THAT and really being an individual. Because at the end of the day, his identity relies on an out-group to react against and an in-group to assimilate into.

The fact is, he probably shouldn't give a rats ass whether some rando on 4chan is "impressed" by his cherry-picked list of authors and directors. You being impressed doesn't mean anything. But he clearly puts a lot of value in it. And equating a sense of self that includes the historical forces that produced you--including the racial components of that--with "a racial narrative of self-victimization" is ridiculously simplistic.

>>15496889
>avoid ressentiment

Not him, but what do you mean by this, really? At what point does ressentiment stop becoming ressentiment and become legitimate? Is there not merit to the idea that something resembling a proper grievance could be labeled as ressentiment so as to absolve the offended party of any fault?

If I hit you with a car, and later escape fault due to a crack-team of lawyers working around the clock, is it ressentiment for you to hate me?

If you are a poor child, destitute even to the point of starvation, and you see a similarly aged child arrayed in a perfect blend of expensive, woven fabrics walking around and smiling contentedly, is it ressentiment for you to hate that other child due to that ostensible unfairness? Not making any claims on wealth inequality here, merely pondering on the use of the term in these plausible situations, that, to me, would provide legitimate cause for grievance-at least, legitimate enough that, even if I did not agree, I could absolutely emphasize.

But, I haven't read much of Nietzche-do tell me if I'm making a crucial mistake here.

>>15495490
ayo hol' up
>>15495534
we out here senpai

>>15495534
>The Gay Science, Journal of the Plague Year, some Iris Murdoch novel
>is black
>reads european philosophy/history/novels
Stop appropriating our culture

>>15496969
>emphasize
*Empathize

>>15496979
I know you're joking, but assuming OP is American, Western Culture IS his culture. Raised on a course of presumably American and European literature, this is more than likely what he is used to and accustomed to, and is far more relevant to his existence as a man in a western society than any other wide-reaching category of lit would be.

>>15496969
Those examples are ressentiment. It is only by acting upon the feelings, or not feeling them to begin with, that one avoids the charge. Or by telling Neetch to go fuck himself.

Imagine thinking Neetch intended to hand down a moral code to be passively received.

>>15496969
>is it ressentiment for you to hate me
Absolutely.

Do you Nietzsche doesn't understand that people are being wronged all the time? Especially the people with little to no power?

He's saying people yes of course with little to no power tend to feel this way--that is essentially the natural way they feel--and it does not help them one bit. They delude themselves into ideologies that place themselves as the heroes instead of doing anything to gain an advantage over the people above them.

>>15496256
>Strive for a non-racialized , transcendent self.
Also, I believe this is pretty much what a lebensphilosophie is based on. It's one reason I respect you.

>>15496996
I'm not joking. I think an african american reading european works of literature for leisure is a joke. He should focus on the black experience or whatever.
America is not Europe.

>>15496998
Ah, I see. The way that term is used-maybe incorrectly, but worth noting anyway-marks it out as some kind of pejorative. If those cases are ressentiment, then what shame is there in possessing ressentiment? Doesn't seem like anything more than a combination of anger and impotence, and in the case of attempting to fight against or for some concept like wealth inequality or justice what individual isn't impotent anyway?

But, I have another question if you don't mind. What makes you think that being an intellectual is linked to an avoidance of ressentiment?

>>15496817
Chafes a bit.

>>15496889
Please don't respect me. I'm just a guy. I'm an aspiring writer but pretty lazy, so we'll see how that goes.

>>15496957
Seeth
>>15496957
>"a racial narrative of self-victimization"
who are you quoting?

>>15496969
I think these guys cover it >>15496998
and >>15497004 but I'll add that to me, ressentiment includes a desire to deprive others and attachment to an ugly one-dimensional way of looking at things

>>15497028
Then you're simply a fool. Americans are not Europeans, but the human experience is a mutually intelligible one.

>>15497042
>Please don't respect me.
No... no... I love you, anon... I'm always watching.

>>15497042
>who are you quoting?

figure it out

>>15496518

>>15497042
Who is your favorite black author?

>>15497126
Cut it out jannies.

>>15497134
Paul Beatty

>>15497184
>Paul Beatty
based choice

>>15497184
What are your thoughts on the progressive left?

>>15497184
>>>15497126
>Cut it out jannies.
what was it?
apparently it was deleted before it was archived

>>15497184
Where do you stand politically?

>>15495978
Not OP but black and it's largely something you become desensitized to both here and exposure to the internet in general, playing on XBL in 2008 you'd head Nigger thrown around like it was any other word, you either get used to it or get mad at it. Same with fag, I know gay men who use it extremely liberally and jokingly in private. Both terms' usage probably isn't going to put off any normies who were born with the internet in their hands. There is a level of humor with it that's somewhat absurd where I go "Heh. Nigger."
>>15495753
>Prog Rock, Shoegaze, Noise and later in the thread, Doom Metal
Based

You should never have been brought here, we will send you back to Africa as soon as possible so as to end your oppression.

why are you black?

>>15497352
In what universe is deportation not a form of oppression?

>>15497239
What's so progressive about them?

>>15497252
Someone asking for hand and timestamp. No thanks.

>>15497253
I don't.

>>15495880
LOL Wow the ignorance of actual history this post displays is amazing. This fool replaces scholarship with a slogan and equates childish rioting by negroes destroying what had been built by others with reasoned acts of rebellion by men who were protecting what they had themselves built. No wonder the left is in decline. :-)

>>15497427
*what slaves built ;)

>>15497447
slaves didn't build shit

>>15495753
>Dickens
>Nietzsche
>Cronenberg
>Prog Rock
Wtf I think I'm going to become racist now

>>15497492
based retard

>>15495490
What are your thoughts on marxism and anarchism?
What do you think about the jews?
Do you hold hate or disgust against a specific group(ex:whites,hispanic,etc), and if so the why?
How do you identify yourself politically?(right, left, other, etc)

The absolute state of this thread

What religion are you?
What are your thoughts on BBC memes (and that people take it seriously IRL)?
How many languages do you speak?
What's your main area of study?
>Also, great to see that I'm not alone in the "Racism is bad and police brutality should be addressed, but not by demonizing Random White Person #5069." Earlier I saw (on a different site) someone say they were against racism in all forms, as they were white and they also suffered from some racist events, and everyone dogpiled them and called them a dumb white cunt and said they hoped they got corona. Absolutely horrendous that the only movement with actual traction relies on guilting and shaming white people for being white and thinks that racism only counts if it's institutional, as though there's not a ton of different ways to be racist.

There was rioting in my town today. The nigs looted a shoe store in downtown that’s next door to a book store. The book store didn’t get looted though.

An actual interesting thread on this god forsaken board and some of you faggots try to ruin it, this is why you people don’t have friends

>>15497028
Then it is a joke for any American to read European literature?

>>15497817
Europeans should be grateful anyone wants to read their smelly literature

>>15497694
this was a nice thread where a handsome, strong, black man was being worshiped by his sissy whiteboy slaves until precisely this post:
>>15496720

>>15497808
>Wtf black people are just like me
>Interesting
Everyone itt are troglodytes OP included

>>15497801
pics?

>>15497801
Business minded negros out to make a killing on eBay flipping jordans to Filipinos, the market for YA buying teen girls took a big hit with the pandemic

>>15495585
Austin?

>>15497886
Book store is a few blocks from me so I didn’t get any photos. Did see some nogs attempt to break into a pawn shop and get shot at by whoever was inside though. Didn’t take many pictures today because I mostly just hanged out in my apartment with my guns.

>>15497822
Your shit shouldn't even be called literature.

>>15496256
>Liturgy (please forgive me)
Liturgy is good man, HHH is trying to do new work. Transcendental Black Metal is real and the obvious direction for anyone that has listened to enough of the genre.
I also don’t see Ulver get their due that much, Bergtatt is a masterpiece.

>>15496720
>Nobody says you have to listen to black music and read black novels exclusively. But Burzum? Ridiculous. Pure inauthenticity. Pure insecure narcissism.

>>15495490
Not /lit/ related in any way. Why didn't the jannies prune this bullshit thread? What are they even being paid for?

>>15496720
Being black and listening to Burzum is actually cultural appropriation

>>15498150
cultural appropriation is based though. Literally the only nice thing about the disaster of multicult is getting to hear the musical forms other races come up with.

>>15495490
is it true that black people has bigger books ?

>>15498150
>>15498177
adding to this banter, being familiar with various ethnic musics with highly local scenes is extremely based
for example, just mentioning bhangra to any indian rideshare driver lightens the mood and gets some phat poobeat music going

>>15495585
I'm 99% sure you're sneako loooool

>>15496720
If you don't like attention what are you doing in this God forsaken filipino basket weaving forum full of attention whores? There are more attention whores in this shithole than in any other social media

>>15497028
fuck i gotta stop reading russians and greeks

>>15497028
>oh no why is Cicero reading the Greek works, he should be focusing on the Roman experience

>>15495499
>>/lit/thread/S15495397#p15495397

>>15495534
> Just want to establish that we're out there
Which isn't something a person with a minimally functional brain would doubt.

>>15496015
Oh, based on the media choices you seemed like a total middleclass fag.

Though of well, if you're actually someone from a shitty neighbourhood … how are books and reading (outside of the bible) perceived by the poor blacks?

Generally around poor people tons actually like rap, as in dissecting the lyrics, themes, writing their own and learning about basic literally devices and yet none of it doesn't seem to transfer into interest into lit or at least poetry around poorfags outside of poor Jews. Does the black community have the same "reading is for faggots" attitude and how much of a factor do you think would be the lacking representation?

>>15496304
Not him but a Finn.

We need nothing as much as more black representation in our media. We need people who say they're Congolese/Sudanese/Namibian/Somalian/Zulu/whatever and proud of it. We need those people as role models of upstanding citizens who remember their cultural heritage of which ever ethnic group they are of, because right now all we are getting is African-American culture – the nigger culture. Let me give you its basic ideas:

1) There is a unity between "black" people (i.e. those of partial or total sub-Saharan African origin).
2) What unifies them is the shared trauma of Atlantic slave trade.
2B) All so-called "white people" are responsible for said slave trade.
3) This experience has made the products of their culture uniquely potent – despite the fact they are only capable of retelling the same narrative over and over again.

Firstly, Africa is massive and ridiculously diverse – thinking of it as a single 'black' blob is stupidly reductive. However, this is what the New Worlder thinks, and now, thanks to Western Europeans, we ended up in a situation in the Americas where there's a very large group of people ostracised and forced to build their identity around the colour of their skin colour, which they imagine connects them to African culture (which they falsely assume to be as narrow as theirs). This group is so large that, now that it has gained power, it has been able to sell this idea of global niggery in Europe too. The problem is that their culture is built on nothing but an endless discontent and an unsatiable jealousy of anyone they consider their enemy (us, "whites").

I cannot blame the niggers themselves, this mentality was forced upon them. I blame the Anglo-Saxons for forcing this culture of endless devouring on us. We have to fight it, and our tools lie in true African culture.

>>15495490
Where do you live, America? Do black people have an affinity towards africa like so many white people do towards europe?

>>15499323
I'm not OP. He's a fucking idiot. But I am black.

>how are books and reading (outside of the bible) perceived by the poor blacks?

Other black people regardless of class have always supported me in my success. We like to see one another do well--to work hard and succeed. Most of the black people who complain about getting "bullied" by other black people for reading or being "smart" after middle school are usually just obnoxious lames nobody likes anyway. The only people who have ever called me "white" for having "white" interests were other white people.

>Does the black community have the same "reading is for faggots" attitude

No. That's a myth.

>>15499328
The white people who killed your ancestors, colonized your land, forced you to speak their language, and made you pay taxes to them with their currency called you a nigger too. And they still likely hold a lot of property and economic sway in your home country as well. You have a dumb high-and-mighty attitude when Europeans literally drew your map.

That's my problem with this particular attitude. And it's unfortunately common among Africans and Caribbeans living in Europe and America. You spend a lot of energy telling white people that you're running away from the nigger in America. When the whole time everyone knows you're running away from the nigger back home on the Continent.

And, like OP, it's all a silly game to gain the "respect" of the white people in whatever country you've immigrated to.

>shugazi
mein neger

>>15499350
> Most of the black people who complain about getting "bullied" by other black people for reading or being "smart" after middle school are usually just obnoxious lames nobody likes anyway.
Eh, I've seen it happen around migrants too. Like, here in Yurop we aren't obsessed talking about races anymore but back in the days immigrant kids (from different communities with different educational backgrounds) often made fun of each ofter for acting "too German" a la paying attention to the rules, coming on time and shit like that. Generally stuff associated with acting white in Burgerstan I take. Now sure, there is a multitude of reasons for it but the whole crab mentality thing isn't just a meme.

So what does the "average" black teen/young adult read? Is it the same HP/Twilight/Hunger Games stuff the white kids who read read or is there a touch of community in the choices?

>>15499373
Can you really blame the people who fall for the shit though? Look at the whole "I'm not like other girls" bullshit, when misogyny is so internalized, the girl tries to cut all connection with anything feminine and deals with people who look down at her for being a female just to be seen as a bit better as other females.

You sound incredibly cucked by YT, OP. I don't understand why you are so desperate to be kne of them.

Is it possible for blind people to be racist? Serious question.

^eww, ugly butterface

>>15499564
Did this nigga just use ^ instead of quoting?

Go back to fucking reddit holy fucking shit lmao

>>15499550
Is it possible for her to be posted less? Seriously, AOC will always be my queen.

>>15499328
Based based based

Stupid attention whore thread with no value.
>Look at me I am Black! Isn't that amazing? Look I also read Philosophy and the Classics, AMA!
Fuck off

>>15496179
Venom, Bathory, Gorgoroth, Dartkthrone, Burzum, Nokturnal Mortum

OP Here. Can't believe this thread is still up but I'm gonna ride it.


>>15497659
I've been reading Marx lately, not because of I'm a supporter of communism but to get historical context and actually understand what people mean when they argue capitalism vs communism in the reductive ways we argue about everything these days. Politics is just too messy to talk about and I don't find myself wholly committing to any side. Trying to educate myself. I don't hate any group of people, including Jews (some of personal heroes are Jews).

>>15497694
>>15498146
>>15499870
I know this thread is kinda off topic but honestly it's one of the better threads on /lit/ in awhile. At least people have been able to have fruitful dialogue.

>>15497733
As stated earlier, I'm agnostic. Came from a Southern COGIC (church of god in christ) family though. Black Baptists basically. I'm bilingual but I'm only conversational in Japanese, not fluent. I can read and listen at a more advanced level though. Can understand some Russian too. I study neuroscience. I love people thinking I have a big dick. Been a confidence booster for sure.

>>15498100
Thanks anon. I think I preferred Ark Work over the new record but it was still pretty great.

>>15499323
Yea, I'm middle class. Pure midwit. What of it?
My mom reads "urban" fiction and spiritual self help books. I don't know if any of my siblings even read for fun. I have family members that are poorer I guess, who knows what they read. When I was younger, engaging in any intellectual pursuit was for faggots amongst my peer group . But with the push for diversity and inclusion in publishing these days, I guess others felt differently.

>>15499341
I'm in New England. I don't think about Africa at all. Sometimes I'm curious about which specific area my ancestors came from but it factors into my life 0%. Too suspicious to get one of ancestry tests too.

>>15499350
>>15499373
I disagree. You can't unequivocally negate what I'm saying just by positing the opposite like it's fact. Just telling my story and perspective man, let up.

>>15499888
>Thanks anon. I think I preferred Ark Work over the new record but it was still pretty great.
Surprised, I really didn’t like Ark Work as much. It departed too much imo from the light, blazing glory that stood, in Aesthethica, as the transcendence of the dark, static- cold fury of traditional second wave bm. They return to this a bit on HAQQ.
If you find all this interesting, they have a discord, which has a lot of /phil/ discussion. Find the link in their youtube descriptions
Also
>new england
how do you like it here?
lower states or upper?

>>15497120
You have a nice hand bone structure, I'm jealous

>>15499888
>but honestly it's one of the better threads on /lit/ in awhile
Fuck off.

>>15495490
AHEM, I recently finished writing a poem my dear friend. Let me recite if for you, it goes a little bit like this

On the Creation of Niggers
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger!

>>15499888
answer my question
>>15497355

>>15502330
Forgive my, for I have forgotten to attach a picture of myself. I am embarrassed, truly

Good thread OP, cheers.

I didnt read the thread but is nigger mentioned?

>>15495490
I know you probably don't mean it or take it seriously but why refer yourself to such a derogatory term? There's no need to appeal to the LARPers here my friend.

>>15502889
Also what board did you start out on? What age did you start traversing this site and how old are you now?

>>15495490
You've redpilled me on Neetch, where should I start?

>>15496343
>genuinely view White people as responsible for most of the problems around now & the whole thing with the Jews as being karma for being corrupt & weak
absolutely fucking based my friend, the wheel keeps on turning, catch you on the other side

>>15500824
Thanks for the discord tip. I don't mind New England. It's prettier than where I'm originally from and the 9-10 month long winters don't bother me. One of the upper states but I'm in a fairly drab part of it in terms of art and culture.

>>15501815
Oh, you'd prefer the millionth Guenon (pbuh), Uncle Ted, tfw no gf, Peterson hate thread, etc?

>>15502334
I didn't choose to be. Read some Rawls.

>>15502889
>>15502901
I don't see the term as derogatory towards me and it's a funny word. Started with /b/ back in '06 or '07. Won't type out my age because it's too depressing.

>>15495490
What reading would you suggest for a white person who would like to be cultured on black people?

>>15495490
Do you think blacks who get triggered over the word "nigger" are pussies? All the black dudes I've met let childish namecalling roll off of them.

>>15503877
>Started with /b/ back in '06 or '07
holy fuck

>>15496343
> I don't see why I should have any kind of loyalty to a bunch of White trash any more than I should a bunch of ghetto niggers. They're all about on the same level imo. I'd probably have more in common with an intelligent & well educated Black man than the average /pol/tard these days.
This nigga fixed racism.

Also gg /lit/ for making some crappy AMA thread barely related to books the best thread in a while.

>>15503928
Isn't that just cultural background which makes them feel like it's something especially bad? Sandpeople tend to have a similar thing when it comes to insulting their mothers. And crackers tend to get offended over everything but we just tolerate it more.

>>15495490
I'm a fellow black stemfag anon, any advice?

>>15504411
>Also gg /lit/ for making some crappy AMA thread barely related to books the best thread in a while.

proof lit has a slightly higher iq than most boards

Was the obvious asked already? Do you agree with the protestors and how/when do you expect/hope it to end.

>>15504423
You should look up Larry Elder's description of black history 1910-present. It's not all positive or negative.

>>15504444
how do you feel about your career in general?
t. fellow stemfag

>>15495490
Don't call yourself a nigger. That's just ridiculous.

What can I read in public to get street cred?

>>15495585
Different mutt here. I wish I had some Jewish. Swiss-German and Jamaican-Panamanian here. Honorary Norweigian (1%) and Brit (4%).

>>15495699
Not OP, but I never found many until I went to college. Then I met a ton. It was refreshing. To be fair, I don't connect intellectually with most people - of any race. Most people don't care about intellectual things and even find them boring - scientific or literary.

>>15495737
We need them/they need us to create Turbo-Americans. Don't worry, the next few generations are all turbo-mutts intermarrying Chinese immigrants or something anyway. We're retroactively engineering Adam or something like that - we'll have to reverse engineer the genocided human genetic strains with CRISPR or something. Instead of complaining, you could try and help! It's a lot of work trying to create the ideal mix of all races! I mean, I've got some stamina, but a man's only allowed one wife!

>>15504411
Indeed. And he's absolutely right. I can only enjoy the company of intelligent men, I do not care about your race. You have to know enough to be interesting, think fast enough to allow me to go at my actual pace, and love doing intellectually creative things or I'm bored.

>>15496343
Statistically, african people and african mutts are going to be stupider, this is just a fact. There is literally no evidence against race realism. You don't have to hate them in any capacity, but you should acknowledge this.

>>15506064
Statistically you're also more likely get attacked or raped by a male. Whats the point of general ass statistics when you will have a much clearer picture when you see the people/person in question.

>>15506215
Easier to get raped and attacked by someone stronger than you

>>15506221
Speaking from experience?

>>15506064
Nonsense. There is insufficient study on the IQs of blacks v. whites with relation to population percentiles. Not to mention, the studies aren't working with a scientific control, which in this case would mean, black and white children raised identically, with children being chosen from a range of parents approximately averaging out the balance between capacities of the parents of the children chosen - and I'm merely spitballing. With real thought put into this kind of investigation, it would take at least a century before any community of real scientists could have anything meaningful to say about the subject at all.

You cling to narratives written specifically to indulge the egos of men like yourself - pitiful "research" done with confirmation bias fast in tow.

>>15503928
It pisses me off at times, but it isn't so much the word for me, rather that someone who has taken no time to know me whatsoever has abstracted me into an idea, or even worse - has taken the time to know me but has only ever done so while comparing me to this abstraction secretly expecting to find enough confirmation to render me synonymous to it, and has so much hatred and disgust for the idea, the mere visual similarity of you to it triggers them to try and harm your sense of self worth. After all, the word means nothing more than, "black." Which we, black men, are. It isn't the word - it is the things I know they associate with the word, and by saying it claim I am - whether I am or not. Not only that, but that they think a confirmation grants them the right somehow to treat people as less than human. It is uncivil, which I mean literally as the antithesis to civilization. It reminds me a bit of the Pharisee's gnashing teeth. Low people, I know. Every one of those men you see on television looks precisely how you'd expect - poor, uneducated, dirty, low iq, but even so. The absurdity of it really. I have as much in common with the average stereotypical ghetto-dweller as they have with Isaac Newton.

I think empathy is an exercise which wisdom excels at, and compassion is its child. A wise intellect finds greater advantage in compassion than in hurling words like spears at anyone fitting a general description.

Not OP, btw. Just felt like answering.

>>15503928
Not OP. but I'm in two minds about this.
If someone called me a "nigger" I wouldn't care that much, it's such a baseless insult.
I've never been particularly unhappy with being black, so why would I care about someone calling me black in an aggressive manner?

That said, I understand the intent (i.e. the belief that it's the worst,most hurtful thing you can call a black person if you don't have the ability to mine their personal circumstances for insult) and I'd react accordingly.

I don't think I've ever been called a nigger in person (plenty online, obviously) but I've had people insult my mother in school. I never really liked my mother that much, but I always understood that "them's fighting words" and responded accordingly because I was aware that if you allow people to slight you without consequences, they will escalate.

I think nigger is the same as insulting my mother and I actually think it's the same for most black people. We're pretty inured to the word, but if someone is saying it, their intentions are clear.

So in that sense, I don't think they're pussies.

>>15499888
I am from a white european country and how much sympathy that the black community in america recieves from within america and europe baffles me to no end.

Black people commit vastly more crime and no one questions them for it, and then still have the audacity to riot when a criminal gets accidently killed by police. Yet they keep quiet when they kill each other in substantial larger quantities in gang violence in every weekend, it is seems obvious to me that even BLM doesn't care about black lives when they prioritize the way they do. The idea of "systemic racism" which as far as I understand it, is that white-majority societies, despite essentially bending over backwards to accomodate your kind, are somehow also really racist towards you at the same time in some unquantifiable insidious way. What should I learn to better understand the mainstream view of black good, white bad?

>>15503922
The Sellout by Paul Beatty, Black Skin, White Masks by Frantz Fanon, Who's Afraid of Post-Blackness by Toure, my diary desu

>>15504444
>>15504866
Make damn sure it's what you want to do with the rest of your life. I absolutely despise research at this point and I'm looking for a way out. The long hours, lack of recognition, unfulfilling work, small inconsistent gains, etc. I could go on. Just gauge if your intellectual curiosity and appreciation for science can be sustained for years and at the first sign that they can't, bail.

>>15505679
Iceberg Slim, Eldrige Cleaver, Ishmael Reed, Huey Newton

>>15503928
I don't begrudge anyone for finding the term distasteful. I don't mind it but I can recognize that it's a term forged in hate so to speak and some have bought it as such. I just don't find it necessary to react to it, that's all.

>>15507485

plz respond
>>15507318

>>15507485
If you’re in some math related field, the switch to coding should be fairly smooth, so long as your solid in your logical reasoning

this is the most racist thread on 4channel

>>15496263
Your superior IQ won't help you in holocaust 2.0.

>>15496720
I agree, every black anon on this site is a coon, except for me.

Why do we exalt suffering?

>>15507787
not true, any thread i'm posting in currently is the most racist thread on 4channel and i'm not currently posting in this thread

now i am, so now it is the most racist thread on 4channel

>>15507318
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME I CAN FEEL MYSELF TURNING INTO AN EVIL RACIST AT EACH PASSING MOMENT, I DON'T WANT TO. ARGHGH

WHAT SHOULD I READ AND LEARN TO UNDERSTAND WHY BLACKS ARE JUSTIFIED IN THEIR ENDLESS BITCHING AT THEIR SOCIETY DESPITE THEIR PISSPOOR EFFORTS TO CONTRIBUTE TO SAID SOCIETY?

WHY CAN BLACKS BEHAVE COLLECTIVELY BUT NO OTHER RACE (hi jews) CANT? WHY IS THAT COMMONLY ACCEPTED? WHAT DO I NEED TO LEARN FOR THIS TO MAKE SENSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
HELP HELP HELP HELP

>>15495585
fuck OP i'd rather interview you. what race was your male line, what race was your female line (ie maternal grandma)

To what extent do you identify with the stereotypes of your 4 races? Do you draw any dichotomies between parts of your personality (eg your interests/passions vs the things you find naturally easy/difficult)

>I am the nig
>I read
>221 replies
Is black culture so bankrupt that a black person doing something as simple as reading can get him this many (you)'s?

>>15507318
>What should I learn to better understand the mainstream view of black good, white bad?
History of white treatment of blacks in america post-slavery. Lynching successes out of jealousy, arresting at a 8x rate for drug crimes, etc
Black rednecks and white liberals by sowell (or maybe it was Race & intellectuals) gave some good historical background as a non-burger

>>15508250
Seething

>>15495753
>The Longest Journey
Ma nigga

>>15508281
cheers m8, i'll try to dl a copy

>>15496720
This is by far the most idiotic post in thread. You would have been less of an imbecile to just post, "Nigger."

>>15496263
Hi Mohamed.

>>15507318
>>15507591
I don't know how to answer this exactly but I believe there's a great hypocrisy as well. You see the current riots in America atm, right? A black man was killed by a white police officer very unjustly. But how do we know the extent to which race played a part in the crime? And if it did, how indicative is it of all similar situations? As you have pointed out, Black on White violent crime (and Black on Black crime) outpaces its inverse. Just the other week, a pair of Black men shot another Black man in the head after the latter barred the formers' wife and daughter from entering a supermarket without a mask but that didn't get a lot of attention and certainly didn't lead to any protests. Just watch mainstream American news reports and youtube leftists. That should give you all you need.

>>15507913
Suffering breeds development and eventually, self-overcoming.

>>15508132
Just don't hold any individual member of the group accountable for the entire group. Like Whitman said about himself, we (blacks in this case) contain multitudes. Like any other cadre of people, the loudest voices are oftentimes the most aggrieved but those grievances might be ill-conceived. Read Black intellectuals with heterodox views like Cornell West, Adolph Reed Jr., Shelby Steele, and Glenn Lowry.

>>15508185
Dad was a military brat. His mother came from a wealthy family in North Korea. They fled south when the Communists started abducting people. His dad was a Virginia boy with a Germanic surname. They were able to achieve something like the American Dream. Moderately conservative, hard working. Gave my dad a good education.

My mother's mother is an Anasazi Jew, born in an American refugee camp following the war. She became a hippy and married my grandfather, who reminds me of the average /lit/ denizen. He was an intelligent black man. Read literature in multiple languages and did calculus for fun, yet chose to spend his life driving a cab and beating his wife. Needless to say, my mother did not have a healthy upbringing.

I aspire to be like my Korean grandmother- intelligent with a sophisticated background, tempered by a life of hardships and blue collar sensibilities. I fear becoming like my grandfather, a man whose wasted potential fermented into resentment and violence.

I enjoy playing instruments but I'm bad at all of them. My brother on the other hand, is a musical prodigy. My iq is 130, I am well built and tall, but not too tall. I pick up information very easily, but I can also be very lazy. I am bad at most sciences, but am deeply passionate about the historical development of human social systems. I've been told that I am gifted at public speaking, but I am constantly constrained by my anxiety (a family trait which seems to originate from the trauma of the holocaust. My great grandparents were scarred, my grandmother was deeply neurotic. I'm grateful that I'm only anxious).

I thrive in spaces of contradiction. The best part of being so many races, is that you can choose to be no race at all. No baggage, no ethnic loyalties. Race, as far as I can tell is mostly a cope. A psychological tool to recover from the trauma of no longer living in geographically rooted communities. Being outside of that feels freeing. At the same time, I can recognize and understand the traits and temperaments I've inherited from my grandparents.

I have never met a non white person in my life, everyone else seems so alien to me that I wouldn't even know how to act if I actually met a black person

>>15495675
>I've been called a nigger maybe 3 times in my life and after getting over the initial shock, I quickly got over it and went about my day.
What are you thoughts on the word nigger and the power that it has over black people? It would have to be the most powerful word in the English language.

>>15509929
The word nigger doesn't really have power over black people, but we know that people who aren't black think it does.
It's sort of like carving a Swastika into your forehead. You're willing to become a social pariah, in a relatively small way, just to give voice to your hatred.
So, as a black person, you know the person who said it is a genuine threat that needs to be addressed in some way.

>>15510029
>The word nigger doesn't really have power over black people
ahhh you sure about that? There's multitudes of videos online of a people calling African-Americans niggers and them re-acting very emotionally.
My point is that it's a self-forefulling prophecy and it only breaks when African-Americans stop giving power to the word by reacting to it so emotionally.

>>15495490
its based of you for even bothering to do this.

>>15495534
Journal of the Plague Year was pretty good.
its always nice to see black people interested in actually reading instead of conforming to stereotypes of being proudly ignorant gangbangers. i wish more black people would follow your example.

>>15495490
Curious, do you have any questions for a suburban white stereotype spawn? Assuming you're entrenched in their thinking, but just figured I'd offer. Other anons have asked better questions than I could think of - great thread.

>>15495675
>As these riots can attest (though I think they're despicable), police militarization and occasional lack of accountability should raise the eyebrows of anyone who still believes in having a state. But the norms of critical race theory and idpol that BLM engage in (engendering shame and guilt in white people for an obvious example) are unpalatable and a cancer.
well said.
black lives should absolutely matter and they do to anyone who has the mental capacity for basic human empathy.
but at the same time, there's no reason to demonize white people because of the evil deeds of their alleged "ancestors."
for instance, my family wasn't even on this continent while slavery was going on, but "they" would still hold me accountable for the actions of people that i'm not related to, simply because we share a skin color.
and then they would claim not to be racists after judging me based on my race.
i don't care about people's races, i would just rather not talk about it at all but i'm constantly dragged into race baiting arguments and i'm just tired of it. it doesn't matter in the slightest but it seems to be all that certain people care about.

>>15495490
I believe that the media uses racism as a way to distract from the actual problems of the increase in police militarization and the reduction of police accountability over time. Any ideas on how to put across that opinion without offending my more liberal friends?

>>15509483
>Suffering breeds development and eventually, self-overcoming.
So the more you suffer, the more virtuous you become?

>>15510662
Why is it an either or thing?

More militarism tends to adds more hostilities between cops and citizens as does unchecked authority. Add racism and certain groups will get the brunt of it.

>>15509904
They're just like anyone else, anon. Act like you would around any ol' white person.

>>15509929
>>15510383
>My point is that it's a self-forefulling prophecy and it only breaks when African-Americans stop giving power to the word by reacting to it so emotionally.
Well put anon, having a hard time phrasing things in a way that sum up my thoughts more succinctly.

>>15510557
Please don't praise me. Only a certain contingency of other black people are those ignorant gangbusters. If I may speak for the rest of them/us, they're just people who want what the average American wants: community, financial stability, and material comfort.

>>15510606
What stereotypes do you exhibit?

>>15510662
Your friends might be receptive to a thinker like Noam Chomsky and his idea of manufacturing consent. There are some videos on youtube that cover this in an accessible way. Also, Brooke Gladstone has a wonderful graphic novel called The Influencing Machine that's a history of bias and manipulation in mass media. But I think >>15510935 has a point as well.

>>15510752
Not necessarily but only because what's virtuous is decided on an individual level. Obviously some suffering is purposeless and may leave you in no better position than before you experienced it. But it gives you an opportunity to stand outside yourself and observe how capable you are of handling it. That knowledge can be carried over into other facets of life.

>>15510383
It's not about the word as much as the fact that the person is saying it.
It's like if you were out with your boyfriend and a group of guys started calling you a "fag". They're expressing hatred and being both conscious and willfully threatening.
I would argue that nigger is an even stronger statement of intent and any reaction is a reaction to this.

>>15495675
If this isn't a larp I wish I had black friends like you. All the ones I know are your stereotypical super left wing wackos

>>15510985
You've missed his point.

>>15510982
Born and raised in cookie cutter house, emotionally distant nuclear family with dog and pool, and moved to the big city to work a soulless corporate job but just want to be a writer. It's quite comical, really.

>>15495675
What do you mean engaging in pushing guilt on whites can you give us examples of that

>>15510616
Literally no one is out here demonizing white people "for the evil deeds of their ancestors". Rather people are just asking you to be cognizant that these actions in the past have lasting societal effects that grant you certain advantages because of your race.

>>15511039
I don't think I have.
The person could say be saying "nigger" or "you black ___" and the effect is the same. It's someone who is both hateful and dumb enough to be overt with their racism.
They represent a threat.
90% of the music that black people listen to uses the word nigger.

>>15511163
It generally seems that such a simple idea is only controversial in Burgerstan. Something about acknowledging privilege from birth in a society that fetishizes being self-made breaks peoples heads and makes them go all defensive.

it be that it isn't just due how racist your society is but also

the whole muh bootraps bs?

>>15511163
>grant you certain advantages because of your race.
im poor and unemployed, i hope i start getting some white privilege pretty soon.

did you ever think that maybe there are other reasons for people getting "privilege" other than the arbitrary color of their skin? like class or family connections or maybe that they're more personable and charismatic or any other number of possible factors?
no no no, it simply must be only the color of their skin!

>>15511163
It generally seems that such a simple idea is only controversial in Burgerstan. Something about acknowledging privilege from birth in a society that fetishizes being self-made breaks peoples heads and makes them go all defensive.

>>15511163
>that grant you certain advantages

>>15511273
Their point was, if a person wouldn't be offended by the word, it would lose all power, but some choose to be offended by it.

>>15511163

Go to a coal mining town in South Dakota where everyone is white, uneducated, works 80 hours a week doing blue collar labor, and tell me they have advantages because of their race. Better yet, go to Japan and tell me what advantages they have in a homogeneous country because of their race.

>>15511350
You could say that about all insults. Yet people still to get offended about irrelevant shit like "ur momma is a whore" or "your had is better at sucking dick than you". Compared to kiddy stuff like that "people who kinda look like you aren't even human" is still on the harsher side.

>>15495490
>Been seeing anons asking if /lit/ black people exist.
Stop giving newfags attention. Our wanna -be polyglot handposting nigger has been a regular for some time.

>>15511360
If you're really genuinely don't get something as simple ... step away from race and look at the privilege of being able-bodied and mentally healthy.

Yeah, you can still have a pretty crappy life with tons of issues, but it still has fucktillions of advantages compared to how your life would be without these privileges.

Being a white uneducated blue collar worker working 80h sucks. Being a white uneducated blue collar worker working 80h with a broken back sucks even more. Being a black uneducated blue collar worker working 80h with a broken back would suck even more. And so on.

>>15511458
>>15511458

>Being black is the same as not being able, bodied, and being mentally ill

That's a interesting take you have there.

>>15511458
>>15511458

>Being black is the same as not being able-bodied, and being mentally ill

That's a interesting take you have there.

>>15511273
>>15511350
>>15511415
The point is if I can evoke a reaction from you with mere words that gives me power over you, the more powerful the reaction the more power you concede.

>>15511458

>step away from race

White privilege is predicated on the idea whypipo perpetuate systems of oppression. The idea falls about without white people being racist because you have no good reason to qualify being black as a disadvantage otherwise. If you made the community of 80 Hour Coal Town 100% black what disadvantage do they suffer? If the population is 100% white what advantages do they have? The answer is neither have advantages or disadvantages.

>literature board
>any vaguely right wing thread removed because of potential racism
>this will stay up
here’s wishing all mods a slow and miserable death after your pathetic meaningless life of cleaning up shitposts for NO PAY YOU USELESS FUCKS

OP, I don’t care your skin color, you’re a terrible faggot. you’re as desperate for approval as the white guilt antifa cowards burning my city down right now. kys, stupid fuck.

>>15511489
Does it though? A crying toddlers is bound to get a lot reactions too. How much power does it have over us?

Evoking reactions with words is nothing noteworthy. The entire black community turning all into übermen not giving a single fuck about any kind of insult just isn't too realistic anytime soon.

>>15511458
methinks a prepubescent narcissist is all we have here...

>>15497427
>I don't wanna pay taxes to my rightful king
vs
>Don't kill me
Yeah, history is definitely on your side magacuck

Also, fuck off housenigger, get your own culture

>>15511780
>police are killing black people
just confirms how up your own fucking ass you are that you actually believe this. can’t wait until you finally get what you’ve been asking for ;)

>>15511291
Sure. I have worked hard in my life, but if I'm honest, a lot of my wealth has been accumulated over generations in ways that black people got shut out of, the most glaring example being the GI bill that sent both my granddads to college. It's too bad it's nearly impossible to talk about privilege without people thinking they're being called evil or lazy.
>>15511360
>coal mining
>South Dakota
You know, in my day, people would take pride in a well-crafted shitpost.

>>15511795
No need to wait, I get it every day laughing at you loser retards

>>15511798

I chose SD as a hypothetical because of the racial homogeneity, not for the specific industry.

Shut the fuck up you pedantic retard. Ignore my main point harder next time.

>look at me, 4chan, and be amazed! a genuine based black man!
jfc, there really is no hope of black and white people communicating on equal terms ever is there? the obviousness of color difference is just too much for us to handle.

>>15511854
>basing your worldview on 4chains this badly
Props for self-isolating before it was cool but you overdid it, bruv.

>>15511877
>”obviously the world isn’t 4chan”
>outside the worlds collapses into insanity
and I’M the self isolated one.
srs question: how does one manage to be so poetically stupid?

>>15511915
>outside the worlds collapses into insanity
Nah, that's just your brain on the Interwebz. Don't smoke the Interwebz, kids.

>>15511937
tell that to my burnt city blocks you fucking human waste

>>15511937
>>15511877
4chan is actually the best way to understand the world due to the anonymous nature of it.

>>15511964
>lowest common denominator retarded shitposting is the best way to understand the world
okay

>>15511996
>no argument
Just like real life.

>>15511951
I know this might sound shocking but the world or even your shithole of a country is a bit larger than your city block. A bit property damage is not going to matter in 5 year at worst.

>>15511854
>the obviousness of color difference is just too much for us to handle.
I don't know if you've been following prominent social critics, but obliviousness to color is especially racist because it's only possible for white people. Saying that you don't see color or something like that makes you a hackneyed white supremacist unfortunately. Sorry.

But then, I guess this is 5-year old news filtered through people with podcasts, so take it for what it's worth.

>>15511964
aka. you have no idea whether the anon claiming something is some shizo, shill or an actual expert with enough information to make the claim.

4chains is basically like going through someone's trash. It relatively effective to find out some personal stuff. You're going to find a lot of nasty shit. And you're looking at a matter from a very limited perspective.

>>15512051
The main use of 4chan is to say things that can't be said elsewhere. if we lived in Iran 4chan would be used and known for anti-Muslim content.

>>15512040
jesus fuck; it’s no ones problem but you’re one that your an out of touch prepubescent. you’re probably wearing a fucking plague mask right now you miserable cunt, telling me how super chill everything is. also just fuck the underpaid mexicans who own those propoerties I guess because fuck business owners right?
keep on dilating, faggot.

>>15511733
>How much power does it have over us?

>call someone a nigger
>nigger slugs me
>I get a black eye
>they get charged with assault and re-enforce stereotypes

and the cycle continues, the point being African American's perpetuate the power of the word nigger by being so reactionary towards it.

>>15511964
4chan will give you a very warped impression of the world and of people
It's the internet version of going down to the bar/pub because you think it's where "real people" hang out, when it's nothing but mongs and losers

>>15511277
why is it that whenever i bring up that it might be other factors besides race no one ever responds?

it doesn't really matter and it might be completely wrong, but i've posted it a couple times and it gets completely ignored every time.

>>15512082
>having to wear a piece of cloth means the world collapsed to insanity
>underpaid workers getting fucked by the state means the world collapsed to insanity
Got anything else from your babies first apocalypse bingo? Hell, I can contribute; had to wait one extra day for my iPad being delivered. And two weeks for the keyboard. Civilisation is truly near collapse, my man.

>>15495490
What do you think of Ralph Ellison?

>>15512082
>how super chill everything is
It is. It is 5am on a summer's morning, and all is good in the world

>>15512084
>call someone a son of a whore
>they slug me
>I get a black eye
>they get charged with assault and re-enforce stereotypes

Like, you're not wrong but proposing stuff that isn't viable in current day when most people don't get to do enough selfactualisation.

>>15496077
>Honestly, the jezebelle posting and absolute obsession with women get to me more.
Already better than 50% of the board.

>>15495490
Do black Americans understand that they have no soul as a people? A people without a home have no soul. They aren't truly Americans and no matter how much they try they aren't of their ancestral homeland. And without a true home there is no unity or "soul". Black Americans are a distinct people different from other blacks but the only thing that binds them is their malice towards whites. That's the only way they know how to define themselves and because of that they will never have real strength. They need a homeland that is unique theirs. This Isn't a question but basically why are niggers so fucking retarded that they don't realize a black separatist movement is the only path forward for them and their kin?

>>15512122
haha I guess ignorance truly is bliss, and an empty head is the cure for something something
to consooming, my fellow consoomer!

>>15512120
my current theory is that the type of people who cannot see the world through any other lens than “racism” and “white supremacy” literally cannot fathom for even a second that there would be any other reason than “racism” and even seeing the argument made makes them uncomfortable and they can’t bring themselves to respond even with a meme buzzword like seething or cringe.
their programming doesn’t allow it.

feel free to tell me I’m wrong.

>>15512180
>Do black Americans understand that they have no soul as a people?
Gimme dat soul, whiteboi

>>15512180
>Do Americans understand that they have no soul as a people? A people without a home have no soul
ftfy
This is also the main reason for your racebaiting and your incessant insecure posturing. If you had a culture and a history of your own, rather than simply being the illegitimate bastard of Britain and France, you wouldn't need that.
Anyone secure in themselves and their place in the world is able to meet that world with openness and optimism. Clearly you are none of these things

>>15512180
to a european you are a lost soul without a homeland

also are you a zionist?

>>15512208
>implying Europeans are not racist scum
sorry anon but I’ve actually read Frantz Fanon

>>15510982
>Please don't praise me
you’re right, that must’ve been my bigotry of low expectations. it’s just nice to see a black anon who goes against the grain. I know there are plenty of you out there, blending in with the culture here.

>>15511277
>>15511295
>>15511360

Sure, if we focus on just the white aspect here are a few examples: 1. Being culturally represented in media, 2. Related to 1 but generally beauty standards favor lighter skin/more European features, 3. Less likely to be racially profiled by police 4. Less likely to be convicted in a court, 5. More likely to be picked for a job, 6. On average paid more for the same job.

I could cite my sources but most of these should be a Google away.

This isn't to say that privilege is one-dimensional and is determined entirely by your race. A black man certainly has some degree of privilege over a white woman with regards to gender issues. Intersectionality is the correct framework for conducting these kinds of analyses.

We can talk about gender, sexual orientation, wealth, disability, etc. as well but it just so happens to be that race in particular is especially important right now with regards to current events.

>>15512283
>On average paid more for the same job
Well, figured I'd google one thing and yep, you're wrong.

>https://www.payscale.com/data/racial-wage-gap-for-men

>>15512283
Minorities and women also have massive institutional advantages because of quotas, how does that factor into the analysis?

all of black excellence has been fuelled by an ever present distaste in white folk. What happens once theres no more jealousy and everyone is one and the same in education and skill? What else does one strive for once you eliminate any sense of high spirot or perseverance ?

The black man and his race have never had a millennia of achievements, war, philosophy, math etc. How were we ever meant to get along if we are on two different wavelength of human spirit?

>>15512342
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ofccp/about/data/earnings

The small Asian population that earns a bit more on average than whites doesn't refute my point.

>>15512384
the Asians just really fuck up the entire narrative lmao

>>15512384
>>15512392
This data is fucking old and isn't comparing similar jobs, like your original point had stated. But yeah, lol asians.You tried anon.

>>15512352
Not sure what you're referring specifically by quotas. Do you mean in say med school admissions? Well it's not that simple is it? For one, minority patients benefit from having minority doctors (https://www.nber.org/papers/w24787.pdf)) so there's already an argument there for trying to get more minorities into med school. Additionally, there is a myth of meritocracy in that we think it is most just to be completely race blind and just look at test scores/GPA. But then we forget that not all groups have equality of opportunity. Black Americans are more likely to go to underfunded schools for instance (https://edbuild.org/content/23-billion).). Women are traditionally underrepresented in STEM so lack of role models makes girls less confident. The list goes on. The point of any sort of "quota" system is to try and adjust these sorts of phenomena. This is the difference between equality and equity. Before anyone comes at me for "what about the poor white kids" see https://www.questbridge.org/ which is a college admissions program specifically just filtering on lower income.

>>15512447
Yeah but it's entirely unproven that the underrepresentation of minorities and women is due to systemic oppression. The existence of the quotas on the other hand is very obviously real.

>>15512415
https://www.epi.org/blog/black-workers-have-made-no-progress-in-closing-earnings-gaps-with-white-men-since-2000/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/01/racial-gender-wage-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/

Also is it really that surprising that a demographic consisting largely of immigrant skilled degree-is going to make more on average? Kinda harder to bring your average education and salary up when your ancestors were literally brought over as slaves huh?

This isn't even mentioning the fact that Asians are less likely to be promoted to (generally higher paying) management level positions.

https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

>>15495490
Why do you people feel the need to just mention your race everywhere? There are probably a billion or more Black people on earth, are you a hivemind? Where's your sense of individualism?
>inb4 white racist
t. Asian

>>15512467
Read the examples I gave please. If a black kid who is more likely to go to an underfunded school doesn't have as many resources, say a properly funded chemistry lab, of course they're going to be less likely to pursue STEM. Not sure how this isn't systemic.

>>15512486
>Asian who values individualism
>Black who values literature
All we need now is a White that values reproduction and we'll have a show for the ages.

>>15512283
>1. Being culturally represented in media, 2. Related to 1 but generally beauty standards favor lighter skin/more European features, 3. Less likely to be racially profiled by police 4. Less likely to be convicted in a court, 5. More likely to be picked for a job, 6. On average paid more for the same job.
you cannot prove that all of that is solely because of the color of someone’s skin.
with regards to, say, the getting hired for jobs, there could be a million factors involved that would get an employer to choose someone for a job and I guarantee it’s damn well not the color of their skin or where their ancestors came from.
it could be that they don’t like the way you answered a question, the quality of your resume, what they find on your social media if they search for it. it could even come down to the interviewer didn’t like your weak handshake. something as small as that could be to blame for not getting hired.
I promise you that the department who hires new employees isn’t looking through resumes and saying “ha! this NIGGER thought he could work here?? no way! we don’t hire no STINKING NIGGERS HAHAHAHAHA!!!”

you’re limiting yourself by assuming that everything bad that happens to you is due to the fact that your skin is the “wrong” color.

the police thing is probably due tl pattern recognition. trust me as a former drug addict, the cops have to deal with a lot of bullshit in black neighborhoods, but it’s due to a variety of societal factors, like not being willing to talk to or be cooperative with the police. most black people I’ve seen have run-ins with the cops are incredibly hostile towards them. which I get goes both ways, but it really increases the chances that the cops will purposely try to fuck you over because you just wouldn’t cooperate and lick their boots for fifteen minutes, so you could go home afterwards instead of to the county lockup.

>>15512526
I kek’d hard, thanks anon

>>15512757
> the department who hires new employees isn’t looking through resumes and saying “ha! this NIGGER thought he could work here??
Probably not since a few years but getting over the ape-tier racism is generally easy and it's easier to document. Getting over prejudices and subliminal racism when the HR person assumes James is more competent than Tyrone subconsciously is still a huge problem. I haven't seen done it against negros here (since there are just so few in Europe) but I know a few East Asians who literally didn't get hired just for their name because it was too complicated for the recruiter.

>>15512820
unfortunately, you’re not going to change that any time soon. you just have to wait until a fully indoctrinated generation gets into power because once someone has those biases, it’s already too late. you can’t teach an old dog new tricks.

and to be fair, the black name thing is also a form of judging whether someone comes from a “good family” or not.
plenty of upper middle class black families name their kids normal wypipo names and I bet they don’t have any trouble getting hired.
but when they see someone with a ghetto ass name, they likely assume “this person was raised in the hood and they’re probably a gang member”
black parents are really doing a serious disservice to their children by naming them in the traditional lower class black style. no one sees “Dontayvious” on a resume and thinks “this guy is management material!”
sad but true.

>>15512486
Perhaps it has something to do with the fact we're on a website where people are constantly mentioning our race everywhere!? Maybe he started the thread because of current events which would have our race on a lot of minds right now?!

>t. Asian
I think you meant, t. brainlet

>>15512364
Absolute nonsense.

>>15512962
So we not only found an individualism obsessed Asian but even a dumb one!

>>15512881
Yeah, it'll take at least a few generations but that's mostly due how slow ageing is. Changing boomer views and prejudices isn't THAT hard on the other hand. It's a lot like many of the other biases. If a person genuinely wants to change and informs themselves about how biases work, overcoming them or at least reaching the point when your rational mind warns you of bs isn't too rare.

>black names
From what I read the stuff is based on African names, and the added Burger touch has obvious implications too. Shit's rather beautiful from linguistic and cultural POV. Phonetically … yeah. It doesn't work too well in the first world.

Though going from "ghetto name" to "thug" is just such a lazy thinking from the recruiter/boss; and even subconscious racism aside, just being shit at their job.

Besides, a lot of whites go with trashy sounding or just weird ass names too, and don't have to deal with as much prejudice.

>>15499323
>Which isn't something a person with a minimally functional brain would doubt.
and yet.

>>15511584
>If you made the community of 80 Hour Coal Town 100% black what disadvantage do they suffer? If the population is 100% white what advantages do they have? The answer is neither have advantages or disadvantages.
And so you're saying the advantages they instead do have are the products of the interactions between them, i.e. racism? Is that right?

>>15513156
>Though going from "ghetto name" to "thug" is just such a lazy thinking from the recruiter/boss; and even subconscious racism aside, just being shit at their job.

Separate issue, but they generally are. The last few jobs I've had were based on "personality". I've been told as much every time.
I'm introverted tot he point of being borderline autistic, I just know enough about building rapport with people and have the creative energy to do it for 45-60 minutes at a time.
Nothing I show in an interview correlates with my day-to-day personality in the office.
It used to bother me after I graduated as I'd never been particularly charismatic, but once I got a feel for it I valued it. It's a lot easier to make a few jokes and ask a few "insightful" questions than it is to actually gain practical experience in a field.

>>15513067
>implying this attention whoring by blacks is something new

>>15513208

No -- I'm saying that the /idea/ of white privilege is solely predicated on all white people being racist, and that's and why I disagree with it.

I know you were waiting to jump on that 'gotchya!' sorry.

>>15512283

>1. Being culturally represented in media, 2. Related to 1 but generally beauty standards favor lighter skin/more European features, 3. Less likely to be racially profiled by police 4. Less likely to be convicted in a court, 5. More likely to be picked for a job, 6. On average paid more for the same job.

Entirely missing the point. None of this improves or effects anyone's life in 80 Hour Coal Town because it's already 100% racially homogeneous. Again, your theory is entirely predicated on an 'other' culture being preset and responsible for those disadvantages. You're always 'culturally represented', the standard of beauty, can't be racially profiled, etcetcetc when your homogeneous.

If there are no white people and their culture around, is being black still a disadvantage?

>>15513831

White privilege is shorthand for 'all whypipo are raysis' please just say it and we can all go home.