/lit/ - Literature

Why did you make this thread?

>>15471315
let's face it anon you had the fetish beforehand
nothing wrong with that. i like them and i have never read plato

>>15471376
to discuss Plato´s Symposium

>>15471394
yeah, i mean i don´t like young boys but i´m attracted to traps (the ones who look youthful), strange considering that i love older women but it´s not the case with traps, if a trap is older than 30, i wouldn´t be attracted to her

>>15471315
Thanks for sharing this was hilarious

>>15471639
i was just being honest, i mean i know some people here on 4chan can get mad easily but i shared it nonetheless, Symposium is my favorite (for now) of the Plato´s dialogues, i have yet to read the rest tho

the Greek fetish moves to Twitter becomes queer then returns home
I like it

dw op you are in good company here, lots of gays around

>>15471692
People will mock you but there is nothing wrong with being aroused by classic literature. Charmides was basically a twink/ trap so that is how you should envision him in the dialogues.

>>15471719
i´m not gay, i just like traps

>>15471773
Threadly reminder that traps should avoid dating men who cannot atleast admit to being bisexual.

>>15471692
I was being sincere, it was just the way you worded it that tickled me
>thankfully when they stoppped talking about young boys and started with Love itself i was more in tuned with the work itself rather than my sexual fetishes
I wasn't judging you anon :)

>>15471749
thanks for suggestion, it will take time to get there tho

>>15471789
don´t be rude

>>15471820
how was that rude?

>>15471789
nah, its possible to like traps without being gay. irl i've never been aroused by a dude and most porn videos of traps are repulsive. i can only get off to the carefully seleced and edited pictures, and most of the good ones are on hormones

I need some insight. I fucking love the way a girl looks in a jacket. A woman dressed for cold and winter turns me on so fucking much. The heavier the jacket the more it gets me going. I've always had this feeling, and i'm so damn thankful that I live in a hot climate because the few times I've visited a cold place or we get a cold week of winter I can barely go into public without drooling over myself. I know women will deliberately style their jackets so i'm certain they know they can look sexy in them. So i'm wondering is this something typical or that anyone heard of before? Or am I just a coombrain weirdo fetishist

>>15471869
Case and point

>>15471930
show some examples

>>15471869
you're a fag dude

>>15471940
nothing wrong with being gay now, but there is everything wrong with being a tranny

>>15471940
if you're trying to get under my skin it won't work. ive had years to think about this and I've come to a conclusion i don't think I will be shaken from. I'm only attracted to femininity, and unless they look like the tranny i posted the chances of me wanting to fuck them irl are none.

>>15471930
you are not alone, I have experienced similar feelings but probably not as strongly. I especially like those sloppy winter hats and thick scarfs covering their faces

>>15471869
I feel where you’re coming from and I completely agree with you, gonna read the symposium rn brb

>>15471940
actkually prefering traps doesn´t make you gay

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26498424/

Men who crave cock are not necessarily gay. They are simply cockloving cumdrinking assbandits.

bambi drop for cock

>>15471408
>her
>>15471773
If you are seeking out traps and are not turned off by knowing that they are male you are at least bi curious you fucking faggot>>15471869
>its possible to like traps without being gay
>without being gay
Yes, it means you’re bi. It is impossible to like traps and be heterosexual.

>>15472125
If you see a trap, think it’s a girl, and find him attractive, then that isn’t gay (so long as you wouldn’t fuck him once you knew he had a cock. If, like you, one is searching out traps specifically, you are actively seeking males, that is categorically gay. Pic related logically demonstrated that actively seeking traps is not only gay, it is as gay as possible (AGAP).
Additionally, traps are not transgender women; traps are cross dressing twinks, transgender women are delusional males with a behavioural disorder, encouraging that delusional behaviour is far worse than being gay.

>>15474441
>Yes, it means you’re bi. It is impossible to like traps and be heterosexual.

it´s pretty possible

>>15472125
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26498424/
>Results: GAMP men[trap lovers] had arousal patterns similar to those of heterosexual men and different from those of homosexual men. However, compared to heterosexual men, GAMP men were relatively more aroused by GAM erotic stimuli than by female erotic stimuli. GAMP men also scored higher than both heterosexual and homosexual men on a measure of autogynephilia.
is this paper question begging for literally assuming that liking traps isn't metaphysically gay?

>>15474441
>>15474502
>>15474610
we´ll leave these type of question to wise people, coombrains doesn´t know what is gay and what isn´t, their sexual drives blinds them

>>15474502
i often think that tomboy lovers are gay in denial

>>15472125
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26498424/
>Gynandromorphophilia (GAMP) is sexual interest in gynandromorphs (GAMs; colloquially, shemales)
Holy fuck this made me laugh. Isn't "shemale" a term pretty much exclusively used in pornography and otherwise considered a slur?

>>15474692
oh no my slurs!

>>15474502
>>15474441

trapsrgay
anthro femboys are the patricians preference

You ever wonder where you'd be if you didn't pretend to be an ironic intellectual on a 20-year-old Voltron: Legendary Defender fansite?

>>15475016
i wasn´t being ironic, nor i don´t consider myself an "intellectual", there´s no doubt that my love for reading wouldn´t have diminished if i didn´t found /lit/, i´m an example of an honest man turning the waves of destiny towards achieving my true will in life

>>15474997
Stop! Get some help you furry

>>15474597
It is absolutely impossible to be heterosexual and seek out a sexual partner searching for the trait that they have a penis. It is also impossible to be considered heterosexual if you still want to have sex with someone if you know they have a penis. If you’re thought is “they look like an attractive girl, which turns me on, but I don’t want to have sex with someone who has a penis” then you are still heterosexual, if you will willingly fuck someone who you know has a penis, you are not straight

>>15475288
Just don't have sex with the penis, easy.

>>15474650
Aristotle right again

>>15474663
It depends on the tomboys they like. If they like tomboys who like male-associated activities and don’t care about makeup and consumerist wardrobe expansion BUT still have a feminine appearance in their body, that’s based and heterosexual; if they like tomboys that would be mistaken for boys, that’s a little gay

>>15475309
If you were straigt, the penis’s presence alone would bother you. Why are you so vehement about not being gay, despite openly stating that you want to have sex with men?

>>15475331
>Why are you so vehement about not being gay, despite openly stating that you want to have sex with men?

lord forgive me for fucking trans women

>>15475309
You’re still knowingly fucking a man, that’s gay. You will at least admit that my first point is correct though?
> It is absolutely impossible to be heterosexual and seek out a sexual partner searching for the trait that they have a penis
You can’t deny that point even if you deny the other

>>15475288
>If you’re thought is “they look like an attractive girl, which turns me on, but I don’t want to have sex with someone who has a penis” then you are still heterosexual
once you admit this your case is lost. if being turned on by attractive girl looks is sometimes not heterosexual, then it is not intrinsically heterosexual.

>>15471869
If that's the case why not just like regular girls? It seems you are attracted to some element of not-girl that is residual to traps. If you factor out all the things that a heterosexual male is attracted too, there should be no remainder when the object is traps.

>>15475342
>pic
More like this man’s ass isn’t gonna fuck itself
>women
lmao
>>15475355
The part that isn’t heterosexual is continuing to want to have sex with them once you know that they are male. Let me ask, do you prefer traps to regular (actual) women?

>>15475390
>>pic
>More like this man’s ass isn’t gonna fuck itself
>>women
>lmao

fucking disgusting

>>15475400
>reddit spacing
>pretends that mentally ill men are women
Pottery

>>15475413
chill anon, i burst out laughing, i love this board

>>15475400
Stop avoiding this question:
>Let me ask, do you prefer traps to regular (actual) women?
Answer it. But you can’t because it will prove that you are gay

>>15475432
Oh sorry, anon, I’m just annoyed by the denialist faggot is all, ignore this >>15475433 post

>>15475433
yeah, i prefer regular women, i mean before the quarantine i was flirting with girls left and right, if it wasn´t because of a pandemic i think by now i would had a gf, shame

the whole trap thing is mild curiosity on my part

>>15474997
holy based!

>>15475459
Sounds like bicuriosity on your part but a preference for actual women means that you aren’t gay

>>15471315
You know a few days ago I had a weird dream in which I fucked two traps silly. I mean really just absolutely dominated them. I've never had homoerotic desires before that. I've fapped to the idea twice since then but every time I actually look at a real human male anatomy I get grossed out. Kinda weird, I don't really understand what prompted it. I'm not ashamed of it but it is bizarre. Especially since I'm not deprived of sex or human contact or anything.

>>15471773
>tits
Boring

>>15475506
it happens. dreams are weird and our brains are tricky. i had a dream where i was getting rammed by a bigger man because my butthole was sore for whatever reason that night. kinda enjoyable, but also not at the same time. irl i wouldn't fuck a man and men turn me off.

You should re read Diotima's speech and what Socrates does.
Why doesn't he join the party until late in to it?
Why does the snub Alcibiades twice?
Why does Diotima say sex with a woman and making children is the best human love?
Plato abhorred sex for pleasure, it is an evil, for it begets nothing.
Not even Socrates first speech is the correct one, and certainly not any of the previous ones.

>>15475390
>The part that isn’t heterosexual is continuing to want to have sex with them once you know that they are male.
this alone should have been your argument!
however by admitting that being turned on to attractive girl looks is sometimes heterosexual, you end up with an absurd conclusion.

suppose that being a lover of traps is composed of (at least) two parts:
1: being turned on by attractive girl looks.
2: continuing to want to have sex with them[bearers of attractive girl looks] once you know that they are male.

i take it that by "continuing to want x once you know y" you mean, wanting x *in spite of* y.

suppose then we paraphrase the definition of being a trap lover as the following relation being satisfied:
x - y > 0
where x is the degree of being turned on by attractive girl looks, and y is the degree of being turned off from wanting to continue to have sex with a bearer of attractive girl looks once you know that they are male

i will leave the rest as an exercise to the reader. indeed, it has been almost impossible to state the logical relation between x, y, and > 0, without giving away the solution.

>>15475570
>Why does the snub Alcibiades twice?

Socrates said to him that it would be like trading gold for bronze because Alcibiades only had to offer his good looking features in exchange for his wisdom

>>15471315
I'm relatively new to philosophy. Did the Greeks really go around fucking boys? I don't know why but this would seriously change the way I perceive Plato.

>>15475912
Pederasty existed but it probably wasn't as prominent in the sense that "everybody did it". Besides, the different greek city-states had radically different cultures in some ways. It's a generalization which does not serve to edify your understanding of greek antiquity.

>tfw you will never join the Sacred Band of Thebes and fight side-to-side with your bf

>>15471315
its gay to like traps obviously but do you guys think being a trap is gay even if you are attracted to women? DESU I dont want to look like a trap but wish i looked like a bishonen cause i like looking pretty and I think it would turn on my GF.

Calling something gay can be seen through multiple frames, is something gay because of how it looks? Or is it gay because of what it is (it's sex). If you think it's straight as long as it has a vagina, then it must be straight to fuck Buck Angel. if it's gay because it looks like a man, then it must be straight to be attracted to traps. So in a sense, it's simultaneously gay and not gay.

>>15476534
Its gay because its gay

>people are still falling for the trap meme 4 years later

>>15475581
No it isn’t absurd because being gay or straight is not a binary outcome. You can like women but still be a faggot who likes men you retard. The argument isn’t whether you are 100% gay (if you were you wouldn’t like women so you must be bisexual) the argument is that fucking men that you know are men is a gay behaviour, a gay behaviour doesn’t make you gay, but it prevents you from being straight, therefore you are bi. Being enough of a coomer that finding out someone is a literal man wont stop you fucking them does not somehow make you heterosexual, it makes you a worse degenerate

>>15477525
>people are still falling for the perfect forms meme 2368 years later

>>15471869
oh that creamy skin
those soft stockings
i want to touch it i want it in my mouth

>>15471789
I'm bisexual but I absolutely hate the following traits
>flat breasts / masculine breasts
>masculine torso
>wide shoulders
>wide jaw
>bodyhair
>slim hips
>small butts
>slim thighs
I just like the body of a woman, with either set of genitals.

>>15474663
The whole thing about tomboys is that they are softer variants of the dickgirl.
>Wear masculine clothing
>Wear masculine mannerisms
>Still remain extremely feminine
The masculinity simply becomes a contrast that exemplifies their femininity. Same thing happens with dickgirls, a masculine, dominant phallos contrasted to a highly attractive wide hipped woman, or the small, limp, feminine penis on an effeminate trap - the femininity devours the masculinity and all its forms.

On the International Woman's day they said that femininity is formless. Yet I think that cannot be the case. Masculinity is formless, merely contrast to the feminine form. The fiction of our time agrees with me, the male form is variable, from monstrous to toolbox - and the female form is more permanent, sensual and graceful.

I'll never understand trap lovers. I get wanting to be a trap, it sounds pretty damn sweet, you're cute, feminine, can wear sexy girly clothes, can have real, strong men lust for you, dominate you, and use you for their own pleasure, but what's the appeal to liking traps? Just find a woman and fuck her in the ass, what's the difference?

>>15479902
>Just find a woman and fuck her in the ass, what's the difference?
Male sexual liberation and the effects of feminism. Women have spread anti-advertisements about women for a couple of generations for now. Brutally efficient if they infect young minds. Boys still grow up to like women's bodies, but since women are a no-no, they'll go to the nearest alternative.

>>15479902
>but what's the appeal to liking traps? Just find a woman and fuck her in the ass, what's the difference?

i think the appeal that is their the same as women physically but at the same it´s attainable, women can be pretty picky when choosing a mate, meanwhile a trap doesn´t have many options because most men don´t want to be considered gay

also when it comes to sex, i heard that traps are pretty submisive, i like being the dominating one in sex, it gives me pleasure in the psychological sense, so a trap that wants to be fucked all day, and it´s extremly submissive, it´s very appealing to my eyes, of course the trap in question shouldn´t have any masculine features because it can be a turn off

>>15479959
>women are picky
>women aren't submissive
>traps want to be fucked all day
4chan has positioned you. Also good luck fucking a trap all day. That meal from yesterday has to come out eventually!

>>15479959
If a trap can orgasm visibly, they can't fake it either. Trust issues with women are a definite reason to look for shemales/traps/2D.

There are many, many layers to this. The archetypal hermaphrodite, or holy androgyny are both present in the trap. It allows a person to come to terms with their own femininity/masculinity through a medium - and that's just the psychological effects.

Then there's the implication all fetishes have, in that they target select evolutionary paths and seek to shape humanity with the target of your desires. So the goal may be to give man the body of a woman. Not just yourself - that may be 'unattainable', but in a wider sense. Will to power. We're already seeing this in virtual sphere, with some men pretending to be women for gain, attention, positive feedback...
To regain what evil, machiavellian women have taken from you in their bottomless greed and lust for power. Perhaps it has become a goal of its own, to not look like a monster (women are attracted to werewolves, apes and whatnot; men look like sasquatches compared to women). Perhaps the cruelty of false accusations has bitten to the core of man, and he seeks to gain shelter from the hate. The female form is easy to forgive.

>>15480016
>Perhaps it has become a goal of its own, to not look like a monster
Of course, we all know that this becomes a real risk for the traps and the transsexuals. They may end up looking far more monstrous than they were before. So there is a layer of great success, achievement and authenticity to the ones who pass. Human beings love to celebrate.