/lit/ - Literature

What a depressing life. Imagine wasting a third of your life on a soulless job.

>>15455513
>>15455527
What do salarymen actually do?

>>15455533

Salaryman is a generalized term for any salaried worker. Japan has a hardcore work culture. You are meant to have total and overriding loyalty for your company and expect nothing in return. Salarymen clock around 80 to 100 hours in a work week. Take the samurai spirit and put it in a little cubical that is the Japanese salaryman.

>>15455556
That doesn't answer what salarymen actually do. Japanese work culture is notorious for for make work and the appearance of being busy. The classic salaryman is a paper pusher

>>15455665

Salarymen go to mandatory drinking parties and pass out on the last train home.

Work is the same everywhere I imgaine.

>>15455556
You forgot the use of amphetamines. Give an ape 2x 50mg adderall every day and he will clock those hours like the ape he is
Uga buga

>>15455556
>Take the samurai spirit and put it in a little cubical that is the Japanese salaryman.
This

The samurai spirit's weakness is an unthinking, slavish devotion that basically negates their many stoic virtues. IMHO there's a reason why all those samurai heroes were ronin. They couldn't demonstrate real heroism until they cut the apronhakama? strings.

>>15455533
They have a large amount of work related duties ling after they have finished the work of the day. Whether it is madatory drjnking parties like >>15455733 said or company sponsored volunteer events that they go to often if not everyday. Their life is structured around the company that so graciously hired them and they are happy for it.

No way. I live in Japan. The salaryman turns into a total frat bro when he goes drinking. Fifty, sixty year old dudes doing keg stands every Friday night. Not literally, but you get the idea. Keg stands aren't a part of Japanese culture.

Any good stories about Japanese salarymen or women escaping their mundane lives and exploring the world? I liked seeing the West through the eyes of non-Westerners.

>>15455556
He predicted this.

>>15455513
Japan is such a fascinatingly place. We can learn from both the things they do better than us and the ways in which they are hopelessly fucked, because we're on our way to becoming like them fast.

>>15456415
>we're on our way to becoming like them fast.
How so? All I see in the West is selfishness and emotional diarrhoea.

>>15455665
It just means low grad office worker you dunce. It varies from company to company.

>>15455556
Luckily I get paid hourly and I usually work from 9 to 17 (I'm always late and always go home before five).

>>15456415
>we're on our way to becoming like them fast.
God I wish

>>15456457
Cost of living rising/wages not rising with inflation so more hours need to be worked, proliferation of degrading pornography while sexual relationships and birthrates take a dive, suicide rates and depression climbing, obsession with gadgets and technological progress at all costs, I read a really good essay on it that showed all the other things and how they're about 20 years ahead with these things. There are some things they do better though, like their health is better and their families aren't broken.
>>15456520
You really, really don't want to be an average Japanese male.

>>15455556
>nothing in return
My understanding is that if you’re a salaryman, you are basically guaranteed a job and income for life. They provide you with a certain amount of stability which simply does not exist in the West. For sure, they work way too much but I wouldn’t say they get nothing in return.

>>15456415
>because we're on our way to becoming like them fast.
How? I couldn’t disagree more. In fact, Japan seems to have taken all the good things about 80s to 2000s America and integrated them. There’s so much structure in Japan that we’ve never come close to and which is constantly disintegrating here. You may not have to work a lot in America if you don’t want to but you also have no stability, no expectations, no rules. You’re free to do whatever you want and sink to the lowest common denominator and the only way you find stability and success if you somehow, through monumental effort manage to catch up with the speed of the world, completely on your own. Salarymen work 80 hours every week and then go get drunk. Americans barely work and then go get drunk and say “How sad is the Japanese salaryman’s life”. It makes no sense. If anything, they’re becoming more like us as the rigid traditions and expectations on society loosen, which isn’t necessarily a good thing.

>>15456554
>health is better and their families aren't broken.
These are positive things that should be encouraged. Everything else you list should be avoided at all costs, except maybe technological advancement. If we fall behind we will be subsumed. That is an historical fact. What we're doing at the moment diverting out attention to bullshit science, like how to combat hair loss and how to make sure enough vaginas are designing ugly buildings when what we should be doing is figuring out to make batteries more efficient and how to get the fuck off this planet.

>>15456554
>their health is better and their families aren't broken.
Which are the only things which ultimately matter. In the West, especially America, you have a bunch of men who are free to do no work at all but instead jump from fleeting interest to fleeting interest, job to job, ambition to ambition, party to party, and with no expectations at all until they pick up their head in the 30s and realize they have no home, no wife, no kids, no meaningful relationships, and their career is a mess anyway because they spent the last 12 years spinning their wheels and jumping from this to that. The single most fucked up thing we do to young people in America is give them total freedom because they’re ultimately in a race they can’t win on their own.

>>15456564
>stability which simply does not exist in the West.
'the West' is not jus America, you brainlet.
Most non-worthless countries have stability on par with, if not exceeding that of Japan

>>15456554
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
USA is catching up to Japan and will overtake fast desu. It's crazy, I remember when these levels were unthinkable. We also have a higher proportion of men killing themselves than they do, sucks to have a dick in America.

Japan is falling apart spiritually and mentally. It was badly, badly crippled by the erasure of its existing culture, which had not fully modernized prior to WW2 and was then forced to "modernize" by superficially aping the West after WW2. The pre-modern mind needs time to adjust to cosmopolitan consumer capitalism. The average Japanese mind in the 1930s was still mostly built up on peasant rhythms and instincts. Even the Japanese state and elites only departed from feudalism with the Meiji reforms, a generation or two earlier.

The pathologies resulting from modernization caused the Japanese to become imperialistic and authoritarian, one of the few possible avenues of coping with industrialism, capitalism, and colonalism. When they were crushed this was no longer an option, so they had to begin roleplaying hard as liberal democratic consumers. But Japs fundamentally don't like that shit, their culture is even more duty-based and intrinsically feudal than European cultures, and they were still mostly peasant in spirit like I said. So all that happened was that post-war Japanese applied all of their peasant "grin and bear it" instincts and all of their instinct for ridiculous devotion and duty to "doing what needs to be done," what the country was doing after WW2, which was building its economy, being an acceptable nation by international standards, and appearing to be a westernized liberal state.

The Japanese were notoriously prone to depression, grimness, mindlessness, and suicide in the subsequent few generations because all they were doing was committing to being pathetic "salarymen" out of a lack of anything else, and their connection to their older heritage or culture was waning more and more with every year. Their language was effaced, the difficult and as yet unsolved problem of how to modernize an aristocratic script and canon and create a national literary vernacular was simply dropped in favor of importing western style capitalist consumerism as culture and using the non-literary peasant version of the Japanese language as a new pidgin, "good enough" to get through daily life.

The generations of the 70s and 80s, and as they aged into the 90s, still created some amazing things based on residual memories and traces of what Japan was, fused with western influences, and fueled by that same insane duty and devotion to craftsmanship. But the most recent generations are deracinated from even these things. The depression and despair and grimness bordering on nihilism, notorious among Japanese men, has collapsed even further into a kind of exposed unconscious, which is now just a soup of confused desires accustomed to electronic stimulation and retarded tropes that come from neither Japan nor America, but from post-WW2 Amero-Japan. Moe and frivolous "cute culture" is to Japan what trannies are to the west: mass psychosis, the exposure of the completely unshaped and unrestrained id bombarded by glittering lights and hormones.

>>15456202
More information about Japan please Anon-san :3

>>15456720
Good post.

Reminds of the Convience Store Woman.

>>15456724
not me

>>15456720
>devotion to craftsmanship
One of the biggest things Japan has brought to the world is non-devotion to craftsmanship.

>>15455556
Meme, nip work is largely not much different to the west

Visiting japan was weird. Felt like they were permanently stuck in the early 2000's

>>15456849
The first thing many people think when you mention Japan it's technology, ironically the japs are stuck in the 90s. I live in Tokyo, and I'm not from a high-tech country (Argentina), and never ceases to amaze me how fax/hanko dependant they are, they can't do shit online (almost everything is face to face), flip phones are still a thing and their websites are horribly outdated (check Yahoo Auctions).

>>15456915
sounds comfy.

>>15456921
It's not comfy when you, a coworker and your boss aren't in the office, all of us carrying smartphones, and someone wants to send you a fax.

>>15456915
What is Japanese literature like at the moment?

From what I can see, it continues to have a healthy literary community.

>>15456720
>Moe and frivolous "cute culture" is to Japan what trannies are to the west: mass psychosis, the exposure of the completely unshaped and unrestrained id bombarded by glittering lights and hormones.
Spotted the schizo

>>15456946
I'm not into japanese literature and I only like Edogawa Ranpo.
I can say one thing for sure, translations are shit. I have TLOTR and The Chronicles of Narnia in japanese and they are totally different. For example, Sam talks like a redneck.

>>15456945
>and someone wants to send you a fax.
lmao what the actual fuck

>>15456720
>shogun warlords good
>companies hiring people bad
Nice copy-pasted propaganda. All these arguments amount to is slave-beating of the male undercaste who wisely refuse a culture that has always treated them like garbage when they become hikikomori. What Japanese men need is a nice life and the partner they deserve, and anime and technology will give it to them.

>>15456353
Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World

>>15456806

Pushing paper is the same everywhere I imagine. But Japan is steeped in tradition and culture that adds layers of rigamarole to that shit.

>>15457097
In Japan I've learned that if you can do it the hard way, do it the hard way.

>>15456647
Yet another eurodipshit cunt who shit talks americans as to further ignore his homeland's problem. Keep bury you headin the sand and we'll be nothing but a collection european vassal states for the chinks

>>15456470
>9 to 17
speak english retard

>>15457217
how about you stuff that mouth with a burger, amerimutt

>>15457180
I obviously hit a nerve here... lol

I'm chilling in Norway, without even a single chance of losing my job due to some ephemeral nick in the economy like the Coronavirus

Have fun at Walmart, burger;)

>>15455513
Indeed they are
Any natural being with a will, either fights, or dies
Once your will is broken, and you submit, and this only "humans" can do, you are a twisted, perverse being who will claim any indignity done to you, as your own
This is everyone today, and Stoics were the first to make an actual conceptual framework to "justify" it to themselves.

>>15456564
>>15457180
The other anon is right, you're a simp
The West is the most stable and secure environment any human being has ever lived in
If you cannot thrive, you should not be alive

>>15456647
Sure, I’ll give you that it exists to a greater extent in non-American countries but you know fully well it doesn’t exist to the same extent in Japan. It’s just not the case that Britain has the same social expectations and life boundaries for young people and young working adults as they do in Japan, for example. I don’t know what there is to argue about that.

>>15456849
Yes. The American 2000s and that’s exactly why Americans like it. I made a long post in yester’s write what’s on your mind thread about this. Japan has borrowed heavily from authentic 90s American culture and largely kept it alive while it’s died here.

>>15455556
Pretty much. After the occupation Japan replaced devotion to the state and the emperor with devotion to the company.

>>15457497
You’re delusional. The West, America in particular, is the only place that gives absolutely no social boundaries on life. You’re literally free to do whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want, and if you’re going to succeed at something you’re going to have to rely on yourself 100% and nobody else to do it. The problem with that is most people sink to passions or the lowest common denominator or they end up constantly chasing after a world that simply moves faster than they do. Japan gives more guidance to young people than probably any other country in the world and that is a good thing especially since we’ve seen how in places like America where you’re booted at to figure out everything for yourself at 18 or younger, you end up alone and fucked up very often.

>>15455533
Watch "Ikiru" by Akira Kurosawa.

>>15456720
>The Japanese were notoriously prone to depression, grimness, mindlessness, and suicide in the subsequent few generations because all they were doing was committing to being pathetic "salarymen"
Do you think all those people before this were samurai or something? What are you even basing this off of anyway? Are you Japanese?

>>15455556
You expect lifelong employment, health insurance, and a variety of other benefits that the government has essentially transferred to corporations. With the demographic crisis and long-term economic slump things might be changing soon, but that's still up in the air.

>>15455527
it's safer to say 2/3 of your life is spent on full-time jobs, if we consider each day to be three five hour periods separated by nine hours of sleep.

>>15457459
>I'm chilling in Norway, without even a single chance of losing my job due to some ephemeral nick in the economy like the Coronavirus
This isn’t what we’re talking about though. For sure, Norway places more structures in place than almost all Western countries but were talking about social fabric here. They definitely have problems but can’t imagine that many Japanese teenagers have many existential questions about what they should be doing with their lives for the next few years whereas that’s almost a guarantee for basically every American and probably many Norwegians. They preserve rigid social expectations which of course can be oppressive but are also there to help people. We have nothing like that in any western country. We have this culture where you’re free to do anything but at the end of the day you’re really on your own.

>>15456915
>they can't do shit online (almost everything is face to face)
how catastrophic for them

>>15457656
god, just fucking kill me already

>>15456915
I live in the UK and I can tell you for a fact the NHS still relies on fax for a lot of its communication and most government and council-run entities use Windows 95, Windows 98 or XP at best, it's a big part of why our admin is notoriously so poor

>>15457663
In America, your life is highly complex. It’s so complex that trying to do something with your life can often feel like fighting the air. What’s worse is we take young people, give them no safety nets, and throw them out into this void of absolute social freedom with no expectations at 16, 18, 22 years old and tell them “It’s all on you now. Figure it out for yourself.”

>>15456720
Oh please, no one is strapping down and forcing people to participate in any of that. If all it takes is propaganda to have your culture and people lose control then it deserves to die off.

>>15455556
imagine being brainwashed into believing that spending all of your waking time working a job you hate is living. I could agree if it was job you loving doing, unfortunately most people don't work in their prefered careers.

>>15457695
this is why America produces the Bezos and Musks of the world; you don't make an omelette without cracking a few (million) eggs

>>15456382
How so?

>>15456554
>I read a really good essay on it that showed all the other things and how they're about 20 years ahead with these things
Share it please

>>15456805
What do you mean?

>>15457788
Sure, but it’s also why we produce a lot of fucked up kids and DFWs

>>15457742
Who told you that you’re supposed to spend most of your time doing something you love?

>>15455513
How far away are they from coming up with a complete female replacement, that's what i want to know?

>>15457722
>If all it takes is propaganda to have your culture and people lose control then it deserves to die off
is this post-irony? this is exactly what has happened to us, people are very easy to control, and I'm not talking from a high ground

>>15455748
not as widespread as you think! they've got a very tight control over amphetamines in japan

>>15455513
it's not like every single salaryman hates his job – I know a few that are quite content and happy.

>>15457076
Completely and utterly based. Techno-transhumanist idealism is the future, and its only opponents are those who fear losing their superiority in this world.

>>15455665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tmjXp_AYg0

They waste their entire day and lives doing tasks that could instead be completed with a few phonecalls and emails in a couple of hours. It's incredibly depressing.

>>15458665
Japan is obsessed with appearance, but South Korea is even worse. Japan has interesting aspects in its culture, such as beautiful flower gardens and other stuff, but South Korea has nothing interesting and just boils down to a nation of obsession on superficial appearance to the point of high-prevalence of plastic surgery on the face.
My Slovenian acquaintance once told me most Japanese commit suicide to save face whereas Europeans typically do it for existential reasons (e.g., finding life meaningless). Honestly, while I respect many elements of Japanese culture, I can't help but chuckle over their men who commit suicide for something as retarded as saving face.
I think the way imperialism worked in the East has amplified their problems in many regards. The West and East have a very toxic relationship, and it would be better if they were to be isolated from one another.
I think the obsession with face did not exist in Heian era Japan.

>>15458665
No wonder they don't have sex fml.

>>15458665
>his life is essentially a non-stop commute
>that whimsical smooth jazz that plays during his commute
>the psychotically chipper narrator with a nauseatingly saccharine voice
That's some real hellish shit my man.

>>15458665
Kafka would've written about this

>>15458886
It's not hellish to them. The European and Japanese psyche aren't really compatible. They see the world differently. It's not good to mock or impose one's culture on either one. Europeans, on average, are more existential and somber people whereas Japanese are more about maintaining image and sense of solidarity at all costs.

>>15458665
this seems so inefficient his entire job could be done in 45min with a phonecall, email or a videocall. I understand how certain people enjoy work if they can actually see the fruit of their labor and their job is simply engaging but this can be done by a bot.

>>15458665
Plenty of Americans have basically this exact life

>>15458936
I think their sucide and fertility rates beg to differ with most of your points.

>>15458665
>Makoto's excited to get to work, so no standing for him
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>15459008
See>>15456677
America will overtake them in suicide soon.

>>15458665
Jesus Christ. How many nips are like this?

>>15458665
At least the intern is cute

>>15458665
>this is the future of humanity
>if you don't like being makoto you will become naoki instead: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x56bwzc
>anyone who doesn't "fit" will be crushed slowly, imperceptibly, so they can waste away out of sight of squeaky-clean californian hipster workplaces with beanbag chairs and hammocks
>squeezed into the margins of life, easily ostracized as normies notice the subtle signs that they aren't "happy" being makoto
>the few in-betweeners will be medicated with "hobbies" like consuming endless machine-generated sequels of bad movies and games, and paying women money on the internet
>a few rich people and their harems, living weird polyamorous frivolous lifestyles, will live above this neutered office drone/service worker class

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UyTLn_M2FA

>>15458779
>I think the way imperialism worked in the East has amplified their problems in many regards. The West and East have a very toxic relationship, and it would be better if they were to be isolated from one another.

that's how it has always worked. take the borderline animalistic caste system in india, it wasn't nearly as bad until the angloids took over and asserted their own special beady eyed brand of protestantized social stratification. they'd have functioning toilets today if it weren't for the eternal anglo ruining half the planet

>>15458665
maybe anti-japanism is based???

>>15459362
>if stupid EUROPEANS hadn't ruined the ottoman empire which had legal normal slavery into the 20th century everything would be fine

You're welcome for teaching you how to be a human, you streetshitting, cousin marrying, powdered-up baby eating, bat soup epidemic causing faggot.

>>15459362
I think historically speaking most interactions between countries of different cultural spheres has not worked out well. It has led to undercurrents of psychic and sociocultural damage. When two countries of the same cultural sphere fight, it leads more to raw physical damage, roughly speaking. However, when two countries of different cultural spheres fight, it leads to mental and psychological trauma that ruptures traditional cultures and the fabric of civilizations.
This is why I am a misanthrope in many ways.
>>15459008
On average, Japanese commit suicide to save face whereas Europeans typically do it for existential reasons.

>>15459418
>On average, Japanese commit suicide to save face whereas Europeans typically do it for existential reasons.
You've given me an idea for a kafkaesque short story where a nip kid kills himself because he only got 99/100 or something like that.

>>15455533
Do bullshit busy work because hard work is better than smart work

>>15459431
>You've given me an idea for a kafkaesque short story where a nip kid kills himself because he only got 99/100 or something like that.
Think you can easily find some stuff and make this into a non-fiction story

>>15459431
If something as simple and common knowledge as I've said can inspire you, then this means you are a brainlet and infant in many regards. Nothing you write at this point is going to be any good.

>>15459439
Lmao I guess so
>>15459477
Now i've got one about a pseud who seethes over the internet about other people writing instead of actually writing himself.

>>15459514
>instead of actually writing himself
Whatever makes you feel better, zoomer. I'm a published writer myself, but I'm not stupid enough to dox myself.

What even is Japan?

>>15460135
Goblin hell but they wear western clothing for some reason

>>15456720
>Japan is falling apart spiritually
stopped reading there

What do they actually do though?
It's so foreign. They sit in cubicles.
Do they make sales? Do they perform calculations?
WHAT IS THE ACTUAL WORK THEY'RE PERFORMING?! PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME.

>>15460200
>he doesn't know capitalism is a rube goldberg perpetual motion machine

>>15460138
more like the west imitates east asian fasion

>>15457586
Is it because they never went through a 9/11?

>>15456980
I'm not him, but can you honestly explain what you mean

>>15456724
I'm not him, but I also live in Tokyo and have spent several years in Japan (mostly in Tokyo but I've lived temporarily in other parts as well.) What questions do you have?

If its about Salaryman, I can tell you that a good 70% of them do busy work all day and will intentionally stretch out 3 hours of work into 8 hours. Why? Because the appearance of looking hard is more valuable than actually working hard. I interned at a couple of Japanese organizations while I was a college student, and there were many days where I literally only had 30 minutes of work but had to be in the office for 8 hours.

>>15459433
This, Japanese office culture is shockingly autistic. For example I remember seeing a video where some Japanese workplace had a girl who had trained herself to do calculations on a pocket calculator at superhuman speed and they were super proud of it. Literally anywhere else in the industrialized world someone would just make a spreadsheet and be done with it desu

>>15458665
my work day and commute are longer than this but i like what im doing so i dont mind. i couldnt imagine doing such monotonous work

>>15455556
>>15455665
Perhaps it is an understanding that the economy doesn't really need them personally. They are no different than the man next to them on the train. From that perspective, society should respect the man who is humble enough to be grateful, even in the face of the fact (and I mean fact) that he has been stripped of what can make him exalted.

>>15459362
I want to say this take is outright wrong, but I'll settle for 'lacks nuance' and 'woefully underinformed'. Even though he mostly wrote about the black experience, Fanon is quite useful in analyzing what happened with British Rule in India. India as such exists only in relation to Brittania. It wasn't 'India's animalistic caste system', it was the 'animalistic caste system that existed in several communities situated in what is now modern day India'. That is nothing to say that the signifier 'animalistic' gets its meaning from a primarily anglo, liberal philosophy/ontology/etc., which, because of the imperialism you so despise, we have no choice but to accept.
I really expected better of you, bubberfly.

>>15459008
Japan have both lower suicide rates and higher fertility rates than many European countries.

>>15460480
>t-shirts
>jeans
>suits
>dresses
>skirts
>east asian fashion
If you say so, bro.

>>15455556
>You are meant to have total and overriding loyalty for your company and expect nothing in return.

And hear I was thinking bakufu was dead.

>>15457217
17:00 is 5:00 in 24 hour time.

>>15455556
>ate riding the train
>ate never seeing me family
>ate me boss
>ate me job
>ate sleeping in manga cafes

>luv karaoke
>love drinking
>luv soaplands
>luv me RC car
>luv sakura gakuin concerts

simple as

>>15460135
Hell on earth if you like a social life or downtime in general.

>>15456720
Pasta but still good

The life of your average Japanese/Korean
>Go to school
>Go to after-school study rooms or cram schools
>Get home at 11
>Study some more
>All memorization, no learning
>Take test
>Pass
>Forget everything
>Study English every day for your entire life
>Still can't speak it worth a shit
>Get into a good college
>Do same shit
>Graduate
>Study for interviews
>Get job
>Work 12 hours a day doing shit that could be done in 4 hours if everything wasn't so incredibly inefficient
>Do this until you die

>>15455556
American lawyers literally do the same thing

if they're not doing manual labor then what the fuck are these bugmen doing all day? desk jobs shouldn't exist at all

>>15457076
Except he didnt say that. It was about the cold shock of radically going from fuedal to western consumerism in like a generation and a half. reread the post. It is about the swift shift rather than the specific arbitrary good or badness of corprate consumerism.

>>15457217
eat shit and die, americunt

>>15457695
That's well put. I feel like we all want to build better lives but there's nothing solid to build on, no instructions

>>15458381
A good trade off imo.

you american racks disciprine

i have always wondered what DO 99% of salarymen all over the world do? What does the average bloke across the street actually do? Especially with COVID, we see that the world works just fine with, say, 50% of the workforce being gone.

>>15461575
Nobody on a salary is gone, the people losing their jobs are wagies like waiters and bartenders.

>>15456119
They’re not happy man they kill themselves more than anyone else on the planet

>>15457788

>Bezo and Musk figured it out for themselves

Came from wealthy, connected families. Try again.

>>15457788
>>15461743

Also

>Musk
>American

>>15456564
Only if you're servile enough. The problem is it's a one career, one job, one company type of deal. If you fuck it up your life is over. And fucking it up can include simply disobeying your betters on menial things or disagreeing with them whatsoever.

>>15458665
I wonder what the interviewer looks like
what a hideous voice

Dudes today venerate "stoicism" because it gives a vague masculine polish to the bugman life.

>>15456720
Yeah, it's actually a lot simpler than all that.

>>15462092
You know, I think one or two other things happened between 1945 and 50 too. I know it was a very quite time in japan.

>>15462098
Cope harder

>>15460200
>What do they actually do though?
The same shit western white-collar workers do.

>>15459362
don't you ever get tired of typing your inane babble?

>>15458385
>life should suck bro
Please stop.

>>15458665
well that was depressing

>>15462092
Both are the effects of the ultra-rapid development of capitalism post WWII.

>>15458665
The real japanese spirit lives in shounen anime and manga. They dream of insurrection... ressurrection of the martial ideal, love of life and adventure. Not whatever that is.

>>15455533
I think what in the west (or at least the UK) we call 'admin'? Basically stuff a trained monkey could do. Answer phone calls, data entry, answer emails, log stuff in databases.

>>15462635
Makes me wonder why we don't actually integrate monkeys into society for simple tasks. Oh what fun it could be.

>>15456720
And this is why you're taught to avoid making inference from single-case studies in Research Methodology 101. All of this sounds really terrible, but, in fact, similar or worse things were or are happening in all other countries, both developed and developing. Japan was just going through modernity, that's all.

>>15461197
Still, it's fun to live there as White expat in his mid to late 20s, provided you have decent looks and low enough standards regarding women.

>>15456785
Post the screenshot

>>15458665
This is what happens when you have more workers than work. This exists in pretty much all Western countries. But it is less severe. This is the end result of Industrialization and technological society. Eventually you're left with large parts of society being useless. Even in places like construction because of unions you have of extra people there who don't contribute much or anything at all (i.e. women construction workers) apart from holding signs and resting against walls. Agriculture isn't any better since the need for manpower in farming has been reduced by orders of magnitude and even drones are being used. I can kinda get why people like Bill Gates and the elite are pushing for depopulation. Most people just aren't necessary for society to function. Most are just a burden.

>>15457122
Wtf?
Why

>>15462580
It literally isn't you fucking retard.
Shonen shit is for little kids.

>>15462701
Shonen is certified kino and much better than moeshittery and pedobait.
Shonen and soft-seinen>>>>>pedoshit moefaggotry.

>>15462716
Shonen少年 literally means juvenile.
Either leave this board or pick up a real book.

>>15462716
>soft-seinen
M-masaka... so this is the retardation of Hunterfags...

>>15462716
Dumb weeb faggot

>>15462701
shounen fiction typifies homeric heroic virtues though. of course its for children, but the adult world is morally bankrupt. moron.

今年、日本に引っ越します。一、二年間くらい働くつもりです。もう日本人の彼女がいて日本語を話せるから楽しみしてます。それでもちょっと緊張する。

>>15457804
By killing himself to escape it.

>>15462813
So do fucking marvel comics, but you don't see me reading that tripe either.
Last I checked, picture books weren't literature.

>>15462836
二年間働いてどうする?欧米に帰る?

>>15462836
文部科学省のJETプログラムを仕事しているか?
一年か二年かの予定はちょっと特定だから

>>15462900
そうかもしれない。そもそも私の計画は欧米に帰って就職する事です。でもまあ、日本に他のいい仕事が見つければそんなに早く帰らないかもしれない。

>>15462722
dilate redditor
>>15462755
dilate moetranny
>>15462773
dilate newfag

>>15455513
More like modern day slaves

>>15459388
>only a half a century or so after it was finalized in colonies of the West where slavery was actually most prominent and was centuries behind the Japanese in that regard

>>15462936
はい、JETプログラムのCIR役で行って働きます

>>15455513
>>15455556
LMFAOOOO such useless, soulless, intellectually cuckolded mentally handicaps!

>>15462949
おめでとう。
CIRが偉いと思う、日本語能力試験のN2を合格することが必要やね。
僕は去年からALTにして働いている。お前はどこの地域に住むか?僕は近畿に住んでいる。

>>15456720
>>15457804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b25Nv6gu_c

>>15462977
ありがとうございます。はい、CIRの条件として日本語能力試験N2を合格しました。残念ながら、まだ働く地域は知らないです。たぶん来月言われます。
近畿はいいですね。一回行ったことがあります。その地域の雰囲気が好きでした。田舎っぽくて感じます。

>>15463008
なるほど。まあ、どこでもいいと思う。
はい、僕は他の英語講師に「田舎の田舎」と言う町にいる。米国の地元のようだから同意せえへん。美しくて懐かしい。

>>15462962
Westerners are feral by comparison.

>>15462645
Why have. They really helped the rap scene

>>15463039
>Japan works too hard and is too cleanly and polite
It makes me angry when people talk shit about Japan. Gooo fuck yourself.

>>15463038
アノンさんは暇の時どんな事しますか? 日本人の友達と一緒に何かをしますか?それとも辺りの観光地点に行きますか?

>>15463053
Imagine thinking Japanese people are actually polite. Have you ever been told "Get out" or "Go away" by a Westerner who isn't pissed off?

>It makes me angry when people talk shit about Japan. Gooo fuck yourself.

>>15455513
>>15458665
Seems kind of comfy in a Sisyphean sort of way. Toil and waste away at meaningless and incompletable tasks until you die. By not hating something so loathsome, you defy common nature.

>>15463039
Better live a feral than a predestined slave.

>>15463083
God that gif is funny. Is Barron /ourguy/?

white collar "work" was a mistake. when did it start? how do we end this epidemic?

>>15463053
Slit your fucking throat

>>15463060
僕は主に彼女と一緒に過ごしている。日本人に出会うのは疲れるほど無理。最近、ウイルスのせいで県内に限ったがその前へ京都によく旅行しました。

>>15463109
Hopefully when the automatization will replace all white-collar jobs so people will have no other choice but to do the only thing the machines can't do instead: creation.

>>15463120
>the only thing the machines can't do instead: creation
Hopefully not for lack of trying.

>>15457217
Did I hit a nerve Cletus-kun?

>>15463117
ああ、コロナウイルスの状態ですね。大変ですね。京都にも一回行った事があります。とても綺麗ですね。奈良に行った事がありますか? 可愛い鹿がたくさんいるよ。

>>15463129
The problem with creativity that it can't be automated. Hence there are no guaranteed programmes to become a good writer or a musician. Good writing or musicianship can be imitated though but it can't trick an experienced eye.

>>15463120
>only thing the machines can't do instead: creation.
Cope
Machines will outdo us in all pursuits by the end of the century.

Jesus Christ I would kill my own son if he was content working in a cubicle what is wrong with these fathers to allow their sons to be subjected to this shit???

>>15463169
Culture

>>15463147
一回行ったことがある。楽しかった!
実際は奈良県に観光するつもりだったが、コロナだから中止してしまった。
日本の宗教に興味があって奈良県の天理市に訪れたい。

>>15463163
The implication was that we would be fucking robots.

>>15463163
>Machines will outdo us in all pursuits by the end of the century.
Aren't you coping rn with your own creativity dysfunction?
Creativity is a complex process which is based on meaning. Machines do not work with meanings, they work with algorithmes. Sure, they can imitate the process of understanding a meaning, but in order for them to actually understand anything (and hence create) they will need to become literally sentient, which is deemed impossible (at least nowadays; see the innate impossibility of an AI).

>>15463184
私も日本の宗教 (特に仏教) に興味があります。奈良の大仏を見た事がありますか?驚くほどデカイです。天理市の事が知らなかった。とても面白そう。

>>15463120
Most people can't create something worthwhile, even given endless opportunity. What do we do with these people?

>>15463184
>>15463203
This is america, speak american.

>>15463220
イギリス人です

>>15463222
1776 will commence again, dirty Anglo.

>>15463222
Why don't you speak Urdu, then?

>>15463225
(T＿T)

>>15463227
If I was going to learn another language it would be between Arabic, Persian and Russian. Urdu doesn't really interest me but I hear that it's not too hard to learn if you know Persian.

>>15463203
はい、東大寺の仏像を見た!すごく大きかった。
神仏に興味があったが、特に密教(真言と天台)と親鸞の思想を研究しました。今、神道やNRMと関係があるから、「おふでさき」という天理教の聖書を読んでいる(英訳版のに)。だけと、宗教の全てがおもろいとおもう
>>15463220
米国人や。うるせえ。

>>15463231
I'm interested in so many languages it's impossible to pick one to actually learn desu. So now I just know how to say basic shit in all of them.

>>15463234
>東大寺の仏像を見た!すごく大きかった。
Are you the other anon living in Kyoto?

>>15463244
No, I live in Shiga

>>15463244
Sounds like they live near Kyoto rather than in it

>>15463245
>Shiga
Dude what are you doing out in the boonies? My girlfriend always says it's full of Chinese slaves and illegal immigrants, but is nice and cheap.

>>15463254
Most of the low income workers are Brazilians and Vietnamese from my experience, and they're mainly in the big cities like Otsu or Nagahama. Their conditions are pretty fucked up though, I have talked with a few of them once.

>>15463206
They will have no choice but to create or to be somehow involved in a process of creation. Imagine living on a limitless machine-provided welfare with absolutely no obligation or even a possibility to do mindless work. Imagine the immense amount of boredom an average non-creative person will face. People will either create work from nothing (in a quasi-luddist attempt to restore the good old white-collar times) or they will be compelled to do creative work by the creative environment. In other words, non-creative people will be shunned as simpletons and segregated.
The way I see it, people will produce plethoras of unnecessary occupations. People will literally work as videogame tutors, vlogger reviewers, friends-for-hire, maybe even the process of content consumption will become a job (a writer will pay me for reading his novel). As the production industry will be completely emancipated from the human labour, all human resources will be transferred to the sphere of services.The supply will dramatically exceed and outpace any possible demand so there will be a special way of satiating any perverse want.

>>15463260
>Their conditions are pretty fucked up though, I have talked with a few of them once.
What's the deal with them? How bad do they have it?

>>15463262
They practically have no free time, shit wages, tough working conditions, and then are booted out of the country as soon as their contract ends.

>>15463269
Globalization really is wonderful, isn't it? Do any of them actually want to stay in Japan after experiencing life as a non-Western foreigner here?

>>15463280
Is being a westerner in Japan any better? What is actually the lay of the land for the white immigrants?

>>15463169
do not disrespect family son you must bow to shogun hitachi and toyota work hard every day

>>15463280
The ones I talked to can't speak japanese so I think it is unlikely that any of them want to stay.

>>15463288
We are all the same shit in the eyes of some.

>>15463294
It's no wonder that they exist in a shitty situation in Japan if they can't speak the language

>>15463295
Well, a healthy bit of chauvinism never hurts, aye?

>>15463301
It's not about language, it's about the status of their visas.
They come here to work at those shitty factories, they can't do anything else. Those workers can't even quit those shitty jobs and in many cases their employees confiscate their passports. The status of your visa will shape the future of your life in Japan, for example I have a spouse visa, therefore I can work or do whatever I want, and I'm eligible to apply for permanent residency in 2 years.

>>15463322
> for example I have a spouse visa
lucky you
care to tell us the details?

>>15463322
>>15463301
>>15463294
>>15463280
>>15463269
Read a very interesting and terrifying article about foreign interns in Japan https://www.nzz.ch/international/japan-hartes-los-fuer-auslaendische-trainees-ld.1555563?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-de-DE
it's in German but I think you can understand some of the points with a translator
It really ticks off every bad stereotype about Japanese work culture. Physical abuse, extremely low wages, ridiculously high working hours, suicide, etc.
Foreign interns make up about 25% of all foreign workers in Japan. When they can't attend work, the companies is pretty much done for because Japanese citizens would never work there, which is kinda what's happening right now due to corona.

>>15463261
Anons like you always speculate on the strangest things but have you ever considered that this is culturally, socially and financially unsustainable in innumerable ways? At best, without any civilization-correcting circumstances like war and famine, it would last probably only a few decades at most before some form of collapse would occur. Try to imagine what 2050 would look like given global culture continues at an uninterrupted rate like it is now, we can speculate, but the moment we try to attach any degree of certainty to our speculation then we are being dishonest. The reason for this is that the post-modern time period is a completely uncharted territory. Most of us fail to consider how unique this time-period is in the context of our current iteration of agricultural civilization. Consider the fact that we literally have no records or information or any sort of clue on how to deal with electronic technology in any sort of definitive way passed down to us from our ancestors. Consider how strange this is, that we have a situation on our hands that none of our forefathers in at least the last 10,000 years have seen. Our ancestors from 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 generations ago would be completely mind-boggled if they saw how we were living now. We live in very fantastical times and this gives us the bias of speculating about the future in fantastical terms when this should not be the case. The exponential change we've experienced the last few centuries and decades must inevitably be corrected. Just as God brought down the Tower of Babel before it was complete, I believe that God will, as an act of mercy, destroy our civilization so that we may not have to anticipate in horror what grotesqueness awaits us in the end stage of post-modern technological progressiveness.

>>15463288
I'm actually not white, but if you're from the West and you speak Japanese, you're subject to only the usual forms of autism that Japanese inflict on everyone, including themselves. By that I mean their tendency to behave in accordance with received doctrine, rather than the empirical data before them. You can stand in a store and jabber in Japanese in front of an employee for an hour, but if they suffer from that mindset, they will still address you in terribly broken English. They do similar crap to each other, so it's not quite chauvinism, but it is still immensely irritating.

>>15455556

Jesus Christ, so this is the power of the synthesis of a feudal honour system and western free market capitalism.

>>15463373
I am in no way trying to predict the future, it was a mere speculation from my part which took a hint of modern reality and took it to extreme.
Anyway, you do the same thing in waiting for some kind of a catastrophe.
What is evident though is that the average life of a modern citizen becomes more and more convenient and more goods and services are becoming accessible even to the poor. The automatization of mindless work is happening right now and soon it will simply be impractical and uneconomical to make people work. And beacuse of it leisure will become a large problem for the forcedly unemployed mass, which will live on sufferance of the machines.
But then again, it's just a speculation.

>>15463402
>Muh feudal honor system
Japan hasn't been anything approaching feudal for a very long time now. Also the Japanese do not have a free market system. The government coordinates its activities closely with corporations in order to protect Japanese capital and compete on the foreign market. A good example is how the post-war Japanese government would buy patented technology, e.g. the transistor, and then spread that technology equally among its largest corporations, instead of leaving each company to pay the cost of technology transfer by themselves.

>>15455665
desu having job security and doing nothing all day while trying to look busy seems like it could be comfy compared to western gig economy bullshit.
in practice i doubt you could get away with the little things that would make it bearable (playing solitare etc when the boss isn't looking) but it's a shame we never found a middle ground.

>>15463399
Well, that is funny but quite irritating IRL, i guess.
I'm myself a filthy slav, and in my country every time we meet a foreigner we try to mock his language even if he speaks fluent english. But that goes for europeans mostly.
I remember one time we met a french girl in a bar (she was touring in Russia with her obscure rock band for some weird reason), and some blokes desperately tried to make her say a famous french phrase from the Ilf and Petrov novel: "je ne mange pas six jours", which of course, being also grammatically wrong, sounded so horribly in broken russian so they had to translate it to english in order for her to understand it.
Don't know why I'm telling you this but anyway I did.

>>15456554
>>15457852
this desu

>>15457722
are you just forgetting Japan has more US military bases than most countries have for their own military?

>>15463499
well they did lose the most important war of the last century. I guess that's one of the reasons why they are so fucked up. A defeated people have to deal with it somehow

>>15460682
Interesting

>>15460682
>intentionally stretch out 3 hours of work into 8 hours
that's literally every office job in any place

>>15462680
Its going to be a bizarre world.

Economies still rely on growth, but populations across the developed world are plummeting while there still isn't enough decent work for people. All this disruption fuels the extremism we're seeing in politics and it's only going to get worse. China is going to suffer pretty bad as they're going into a massive population decline.

>>15463288
Escapism

>>15463367
>Physical abuse
This is very normal, a friend of my wife is a paramedic and his boss punched him twice.

>>15463573
Yeah I don't get why we're all pretending like this is any different from the west? Offices literally don't need to exist anymore, we could do it all from home and most of my time in the office is spent chatting and 4chan posting yet I still get my work done.
It's like this on purpose to fill up our time.

>>15464118
You value your time (e.g. your life) so little that you would let someone keep you in a building for no purpose and just be fine with it?

>>15464266
I can't make money any other way unfortunately. I agree that it's cucked and i'm not be fine with it, but there's really nothing that can be done, it's this or the military which is even more cucked.

>>15464277
Military can be fun though and at least you get exercise and maybe some cool stories. I used to work an office too though. I'd write short stories when I had nothing else to do so at least I got that done. Really, having a shit job is only as bad as you let it be. If you life outside of work sucks you really only have yourself to blame.

>>15455513
Japan should be nuked again, along with both Koreas

>>15464323
Ah I dunno man, everyone i've known who did the military told me not to do it at all costs but I really do have that itch to sign up anyway, idk i'll have to decide before I get old, i'm definitely physically fit enough to do it though.
My life outside of work is as good as it can be really, I have lots of pursuits I enjoy, this year has actually been particularly good for me so it's odd to see everyone turning into doomers around me.
I can't pretend i'm not disappointed with how it's all turned out though, you can say it's my fault but is it really when it's the same for 99% of people in the world?

>>15464342
Add the US to that list and I'm game!

>>15456945
I work in medicine where there's a pretty high volume of exchange of relatively private information, I am still faxing shit a couple times a day.
I'm not even that tech savvy but I'm told that older redundant stuff sometimes has a higher standard of security.

>>15457217
>americans can't keep counting after 12
your brain on burgers

>>15464385
I was in the military and it was fine. I guess it depends on whether you're the right person or not, as well as what role you go in as. If your private life is perfectly satisfactory, what does it matter what your day job is? If you're really keen on leaving, start using that free time to figure out what your path should look like and how you're going to get started. If you've got time for 4chan, you've got time to flesh out your CV, learn another language, or half a million other things.

>>15464412
On a related note, I heard that older technology like fax machines and whatnot is still really popular in Japan, like they refuse to get rid of outdated technology or designs unless absolutely necessary. Like with yahoo.co.jp

>>15461227
shut up red button nip monkey
Jap school schedule look like this

7am: come to school, parent not kiss you bye love is not in japanese
8am: study japanese then realize is ugly language and stop
8:30am: learn to suck american dick
10am: technology class, build robot to have sex with because of lonely tiny jap dick virgnity intact
12pm: lunch, need two hours to hunt whale
2pm: gym class, jap too unatletic and weak for more than 30 minute including get changed into gundam suit
2:30: english lesson
2:40 watch ugly jap girl classmate get fucked by english teacher in japan and masturbate small jap cock
3pm: learn math 1 and 1 bomb is end of war
4pm: learn deny warcrime
7pm: learn how to get old with no kids and die virgin
9pm: go home shit poor japan home

>>15464506
kek I miss /int/

>>15464506
"need two hours to hunt whale" cracks me up everytime. I love the idea that schoolkids go on a whale harpooning adventure every lunch. Sounds fun.

>>15455556
Feels good to be a NEET.

>>15464385
Are you me? Graduated 2 years ago and while I have a good personal life with friends and hobbies and my job pays well, it's so fucking boring. I'm basically doing data entry for reports all day, I feel like I could have not went to college at all and still done this. If I stick with this ill probably have a comfortable life but when I look at guys who are 50 or 60 and all they've done in their lives is office work it seems terrifying. The military seems like it could be interesting but everyone I know who's been through it says its like working for a private company with less freedom and less pay. They don't do anything unless you're like an operator or something and its fucked to hell with diversity culture. I can't see any clear move from my position that would make my life more fulfilling without like becoming homeless or something.

>>15455513
>>15455556
>>15458665
It boggles my mind how everyone just does what's "expected" of them, even in western countries. Maybe there aren't true NPCs or p-zombies but there may as well be. Society is absolute madness Ted was right

>>15463890
>while there still isn't enough decent work for people

its actually there, however its only for specialists - people with education and skillset necessary to developer high-end technological products. The current system tries to promote people who are willing to develop usefull innovative skills for the economy, while at the same time letting the unproductives have a semblance of normal life so that they dont rebel

>>15464716
No it doesn't. The system actively pushes productive people into unproductive roles they they have a hard time getting out of and then favors unproductive people for what should be productive roles for political reasons. Productivity is not the goal of our system at all.

>>15455513
after reading this thread, im convinced that there is significant overlap between /trv/ posters and /lit/ posters. maybe they are /pol/ refugees, but whatever.

You know how the Japanese have Paris Syndrome? I wonder if weebs who go to Japan get Japan Syndrome

>>15466001
They do, but not from short term tourism like the Japanese in Paris. Weebs become disillusioned upon actually staying for any longer period of time than your typical tourist visit.

>>15460200
i ask myself this about jobs over here too, and i come to no conclusion. when i ask people, they always give very vague answers, like "read emails" or "make phonecalls". what do they read in those emails? what do they talk about with whom? i will never know.

>>15455556
that looks exactly like rush hour in every city in the world

>>15463234
ching ching chong ching chan ching chun ching chong chong chan shun chin

>>15462092
What happened in 65?

>>15456915
fellowe argentinean here. How did you end up in japan? I'm curious.

>>15466831
literally nothing
most jobs create no value; they're completely parasitic

>>15467495
Protests like the ones from France during that period etc.

>>15466831
feels like a Truman show thing, doesn't it?

>>15455513
They are what comes after the last men.

>>15463053
other asians would regard their politeness as overly pretentious and superficial

>>15466831
I used to have an office job that was literally this, so I can shed some light. I was an account manager, which basically means person who deals with clients after the salesmen have gotten them to sign up for whatever service or product your company sells. You have to stay in touch with people, making sure they're happy, in need of an update/resupply, etc, so those are the emails you write. Either weekly, monthly, annually, whatever. If they don't reply to your email, maybe then you call them. Sometimes when you deal with a client, there'll be a note on their account page about making sure they've paid first, so you call up the accounting department to check if you're clear to contact the client. After that you've got to contact the people who make the product or service and make sure that they send it over to your client, with whatever small requests the client made. In an office, all this is done via emails and phone calls. Basically all you're doing is talking to people and making sure everyone is doing what they're supposed to.

>>15467629
It's not parasitic because they do offer a real service or product, it's just not really important or necessary. Half the job is trying to convince people that they need something they really don't, or that your product is better than someone else's product.

>>15460135
chinese autonomous region

>>15462680
can you cop a feel on this job?

>>15455513
No.

>>15468603
Yeah, but if you get caught you have to travel to the end of the line and throw yourself onto the tracks.

>>15468673
what if i refuse and call my accuser a whore instead?

>>15455556
So these guys will jump off of buildings when their industry becomes totally automated, right?

>>15468700
Then you get dragged into Japan's legal system and I have no idea what happens there. Just looks like a black hole of despair.

>>15468778
>implying i will not sayonara out of there asap

>>15465223
>pushes productive people into unproductive roles
there is a bar that seperates those 2 which is being put ever higher, got to do with technology and automation of simpler tasks

>favors unproductive people
its for show and you've been too long on /pol/. There will always be a need for people who know whats going on, at the very least for them to keep everything going smoothly. Politics has always been about appearance

>>15456382
Who is this terribly handsome nip?

>>15455513
is OP what the modern day faggot looks like? 仕方がない

>>15469703
>he doesn't know the epitome of /fitlit/, the well-rounded citizen

>>15467651
Is that drop mirrored in every other country though?

>>15459527
Yeah, sure buddy

>>15463421

Jeez it was a joke my dude. But thanks for the info anyway I guess

>>15456915
Japan did the whole money for family thing during the Corona virus using a letter filled with documents, weirdly that was faster than a lot of countries using online methods.

>>15469355
There is a bar and what it separates has little to do with productivity. Innovation and productivity are disruptive things, our current system doesn't value what jeopardizes it. Crushing the productive and hoisting up the unproductive is exactly what you do to "keep everything running smoothly".

>>15460614
It might be a factor but I don’t think that’s the only reason. I honestly couldn’t say what happened or why, only that I’m able to sense things over there that are dead over here. I think there’s a certain stability and clearness that exists over there which hasn’t existed here for decades but what do I know?

I imagine the average person working in financial services has a nearly identical life to that of the Japanese salaryman albeit with some gradient and probably slight less working hours on average.

>>15464596
I don’t think Western countries really tend to expect all that much from you at all, but maybe what is expected of you is at least sometimes what is good for you. I’ve personally worked salaryman style jobs. I can say from experience it’s hard to find that miserable when you come home to happy loved ones after a long day.

>>15466831
A lot of salaried office jobs are simply managing administrative tasks and processes. That means answering emails, signing forms, having meetings, etc. I work in finance so I do spend time building financial models in excel but a significant amount of my time is spent doing random administrative stuff. Most office jobs are like that, even engineers.

>>15471641
Finnance workers get more fast food, blow and hookers.

>>15459158
I know right

>>15471750
Most people in financial services are normal office workers

>>15459008
What are you talking about? The Japanese suicide rate is way overblown. Here are all the European countries with higher suicide rates than Japan:
>Russia
>Lithuania
>Latvia
>Estonia
>Belarus
>Ukraine
>Belgium
>Sweden

seems like corona virus exposed 80% of the jobs are completely useless and wasteful. why the fuck do we want to go back to normal? corona is the best thing that ever happened to the west

>>15471901
Only one of those is european

>>15471927
??

>>15471678
>I do spend time building financial models in excel but a significant
do you actually believe this is meaningful work? the deals are already made behind closed doors depending on who fucked who or who's has blackmail on the other. your work is just a formality to make it all look legitimate

>>15455556
This is what happens if you give up your freedom in exchange of safety and clockwork society. I fear that the West will become like this with the whole transhumanism/5g/face scanner distopian future we'll see in the next few years, a soulless and Godless society where people are just gears in the money worshipping society. Mark my words.

>>15471974
>>15455513

There is nothing stoic about this kind of existence. It is infra-human existence. Meaning that is something less than a human.

>>15471958
>do you actually believe this is meaningful work?
Of course not.

>>15471750
That’s mostly a myth. I work in finance.