/lit/ - Literature

>Oh look, Yyrkoon is up to no good again.

any warcraft books worth a read? I'll be honest I've heard most of them are pretty sterile

>>15439978
>lights in space

This general is dead and reddit killed it.

Looks like discord trannies got into the OP again.

>>15439978
I just published my first novel last month. It's a humorous fantasy novel, if you want something funny to read. It's only $0.99 on Amazon!

Check out the hilarious tale of an insane wizard who can't get enough cocaine, a reluctant apprentice who can't get a break, and the life-changing quest they never saw coming. Will they be able to save their world, or will they doom it? Drunken heists, accidental time travel, epic fantasy battles, and twisted humor: this book has all that and more!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08745D6BP/

Please pardon my shilling, it's tough as a new author.

Hit me up with your strangest and most surreal sci fi, /lit/.

>>15440134
Forgot cover image. Also, I forgot to mention that it's high on the GRI index, and is not very politically correct. I'd go so far as to say that it's downright offensive in some parts!

>>15439978 (OP)
I just published my first novel last month. It's a humorous fantasy novel, if you want something funny to read. It's only $0.99 on Amazon!

Check out the hilarious tale of an insane wizard who can't get enough cocaine, a reluctant apprentice who can't get a break, and the life-changing quest they never saw coming. Will they be able to save their world, or will they doom it? Drunken heists, accidental time travel, epic fantasy battles, and twisted humor: this book has all that and more!

Also, I should mention that it's pretty high on the GRI index, and is not very politically correct. I'd go so far as to say that it's downright offensive in some parts!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08745D6BP/

Please pardon my shilling, it's tough as a new author.

>>15440093
I guess it would depend on a camera setup and exposure time

Recommend me something that's about journey/adventure into strange lands. Hopefully something subdued fantasy-wise, and with a good conclusion.

>>15440161
Look, nigger, I'm really happy for you, and Imma let you finish, but I just got to say don't push your luck.
There's a thin line between being persistent and obnoxious and you are skirting it. Just like that furry fucker that got his novel published.

>>15440161
Congrats, Anon!

Been working on some fantasy short (really short, <30 minute reads) stories in the same vein as Robert E. Howard's Conan stories, been thinking about publishing them on Amazon for free, but I don't think anybody's gonna read them so why bother, right? Honestly if I knew anybody would read them I would probably go ahead and publish them anyways; maybe the anons from these threads could read them and give me some feedback.

How was the self-publishing process? Was it hard?

How are the Age of Fire books?

I've read LotR, BotNS, and Dune. When I am worthy to post in epic thread? Rattle em off

>>15440829
What about Vance, Sanderson, Jordan, GRRM, etc.?
You are not ready young grasshopper,

>>15440829
You must drop Wheel of Time halfway before entering.

Returned to my country's SFF scene and color me surprised, it's pretty good so far.
>cool setting combining post-fall dystopian primitivism and sci-fi
>extensive lore with some fairly unique elements
>female MC that grows from a believable little kid to a likable, curious teen

>Science Fiction & Fantasy

Is it true that this is the only thread on /lit/ where people actually read the books they discuss?

>>15440931
Maybe?
Are you saying that the rest of the /lit do not actually read and are poseurs?
Color me surprised.

>>15440931
>>15440946
The closer your taste approaches that of the IQ average the more people you have to talk to. Pretty simple.

>>15440852
If I watched GoT it's good enough right?

>>15440495
I hear you. The only reason I posted it again is because that last /sffg/ thread died right after I posted it. I just figured not a lot of people would have seen that one.

>>15440946
Did this guy started out as a stereoptical fedora at first before becoming a >trad"""catholic""" or he was like that from get go?

>>15440986
After S3, GOT is pretty much just terrible fanfiction instead of an adaptation.

>>15440973
What does IQ have to do with not reading? And not just not reading but loudly proclaiming yourself as expert on said not read books, like most of the /lit does?

>>15440986
Yeah probably. If you soldiered through to the bitter end you are pretty much well acquainted with modern fantasy.

>>15440546
Thanks! It was a pretty easy process, actually. You basically just upload the file and a cover image. If you're just doing ebook, you don't even need an ISBN (although if you can afford it, I'd recommend getting one).

You should publish your stuff, anon! If you're proud of it, that's all that matters. Most books only get read by a select few people. It's always slow at first; I've only sold like ten copies of my ebook. But if you put your stuff out there, eventually you will find your readers.

>>15440999
Congratulations. And I really do mean that.
Don't let the defeatist and losers here take away from that accomplishment.

>>15441006
I don't know and have no desire to find out.
The more you dig the more disgusting the hole becomes. Like with Jordan and his sisters.

>>15440916
Marc Rebillet as a soijack? False

>>15440107
Dilate tranny

>>15440546
>>15441019
Plus, if you're putting them out there for free, people will surely check them out! Although, if you're doing that, you'll have to go a different route than Amazon. Their minimum price is $0.99.

However, if you sign your book up for Kindle Select (making your ebook exclusive to Amazon), you can do a 5-day free promo every ninety days. I did that when I first published, and I get like twenty free downloads! My actual sales still haven't caught up, lol.

>>15441006
Sounds like he started as a stereotypical fedora and then went literally insane (received personal visits from "Virgin Mary, her son, and His Father, not to mention various other spirits and ghosts over a period of several days").

>>15441037
Suffocate, nigger

>>15440161
>cocaine
>GRI
>time travel

>>15441033
Thanks, I appreciate it! I won't shill it anymore after this, I just wanted to put it out there now that I got my new cover. I definitely see your point about not being too persistent. I come on this board a lot, so the last thing I'd want is too come off like a spammer.

>>15441090
That's pretty rude.
What you don't get regular visitations from Church Fathers?

>>15441018
IQ is related with comprehension and reading in general. You are basically unable to read anything approaching a serious book under say 90 points, in fact sports articles in the newpaper are already a challenge.
My point is that if you read challenging books you will have very few people to discuss them with anyway and considering our small userbase and how unlikely it is that we are reading the same books there will be very little actual discussion of literature and often it will be between people who have read the book decades aparts.

>>15441135
Nigga don't be one of those IQ tards.
The reason people avoid you is not cuz you are smarter than them cuz.

Which in-print collections of Lovecraft's work are the most complete and/or most error-free?

>>15441149
People don't avoid me they are drawn towards me. Social ineptitude as a direct consequence of IQ is a myth, in fact the opposite is true, although there are good reasons for this misconception.

>>15441175
I am sure they are.

>>15441018
Seeing this level of reading comprehension failure in a sci-fi thread is hilarious.

>>15441246
You have no reason to assume they're not and I have no reason to misguide you. IQ isn't cope it's just science and relevant for what I said. When people discuss Kant or whatever there's maybe 5% of the population who could even understand what they're reading whereas say Game of Thrones is accessible to maybe 60%. It's not an accident that these are the big threads with lively discussion.

>>15441317
I’m sure your wildly rich and successful with such a high iq eh? You fat fuck

>>15441388
I don't think I have talked about my IQ at all.

SuperSUS always gives me a hankering for post-apocalyptic stuff.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9Y0C-eh8yl/

>>15441394
Then suck a dick

>>15440143
Try the "Years Best Science Fiction" anthologies by Gardner Dozois. There are three or four stories in every volume that are so weird and outlandish I cant even finish them.

>>15440207
Michael Scott Rohan "Chase the Morning"

>>15440207
The Acacia Trilogy by David Anthony Durham. It gets a bit heavier on Fantasy in the second and third book but lots of traveling into far and strange countries.

Also the Shadowmarch series by Tad Williams. Just make sure you keep a spreadsheet with all the names of the different gods in the various languages. I mostly skipped over those god stories initially and it bit me in the ass when it all became important.

>>15440015
I remember the only story I read of Elric wasn't even about him.
It was about some hero being resurrected (?) in order to commit genocide on another species, but eventually he decides to genocide the species that brought him to the world. Are most of the stories that grim?

is waldo rabbit done is it the author still playing fortnite

>>15441943
It was probably about one of the other champions that Moorcock created. It is pretty grim, yes. A lot of people die. The prose is not the best, and the pace is something quite awful, but the books are still entertaining.

god, its jarring realizing how many parts of my story fell by the wayside in relation to the main characters

>familiars
>artifacts
>mutations

i want to bring them back but it's going to take an assload of work

Are there any sci-fi books about mechs that /sffg/ can recommend?

>>15442522
If they have mechs they ain't sci-fi innit guv?

>>15442381
Elaborate? Were you replying to someone but forgot to quote them??

>>15441999
Is there anything more offensive than seeing an author post pictures of their vacations while you are waiting for their books

>>15442522
Velocity Weapon, I think is mechs, heard very good things about it but not actually 100% certain
Steel Frame is pretty decent but I stopped and didn't go back (no real reason it just didn't drag me back)
Bane of the Dead is another mech series I looked at but have never even started
Lastly the mechwarrior books have some decent authors on them, haven't read any but for example Michael Stackpole's wrote a few and his writing elsewhere is decent.

>>15441426
The finest representation of the argumentative capabilities of a sci-fi fan.

I read The War of the Worlds and in the back there's an essay explaining that both the curate and the artilleryman are equally wrong with their responses to the Martian invasion. The curate just gives up, which is obviously wrong, but I don't understand how the artilleryman's plan to create an underground resistance then steal some tripods and kill the Martians that way is bad? Given that they didn't know the Martians would be killed by getting a cold or whatever what exactly is wrong with this plan? The essay says that that would just be the humans becoming the Martians and not paying attention to "muh evolutionary ethics" but I was under the impression that evolution is a fight for survival. Just because you're not at the top of the food chain doesn't mean that you can't, with effort, put yourself there. Right?
>>15442547
what the fuck are you talking about you stupid idiot retard

>>15443164
TWotW is generally regarded as having some commentary on imperialism and colonialism, and the soldier is straight up insane(imagine if you were an afghan soldier when the USA invaded, and decided that the way to defeat the americans was to hide in a cave and steal a passing M1 Abrams to destroy the american hegemony).
Also Wells was an outspoken socialist and pacifist, which don't jive well with "muh evolutionary ethics".

>>15439978
How can you have a Science Fiction edition of an sffg thread? That'd just be an sfg thread.

>>15440896
Upboat

>>15442721
no, I wasn't I was just bitching to myself.

the story I'm working on is beyond being animesque garbage, to the extent that it's more like an adult cartoon in book form than it is a novel, but it is what it is. It's not meant to be taken as a serious work of literature

anyway, all these things were supposed to play a bigger role, but they didn't. None of my characters have a mutation. For three of them, their familiars factor so little into the story I forget they have them, and I'm only aware of two magical items in the entire story, one of which I injected as an afterthought.

I'm kind of thinking of scrapping one of my character's powers and giving her magic items and a combat-ready familiar to compensate, but I dunno

>>15440207
Nausicaä of the valley of the wind

Is there any /sffg/ lurker working on an ambitious work? Or one with talent?

Don't forget Dresden Files on 14th July 2020

>>15443958
flavoranon was, but the minute he figured out where the plot was going it turned to trash. Now it's some pathetic homestuck ripoff

Wolfe too good for us

Do fantasy/scifi readers actually care about the underlining themes, symbolism and metaphors of the story? Doesnt it just get in the way of the escapist schlock?

I was just listening to a GRRM interview not long ago and he teased about whether or not to make the dragons Daenerys has real or not and decided to make them real in the end. Are there any good fantasy novels that fucks with the narrative a little and tries trick us into thinking some sort of mythological beast is real when it isn't and all in the character's head? I like this idea a lot. I guess you could say Book of the New Sun MAYBE goes into this area a lot but I'm looking for something more. Lovecraft too

>>15444456
I have never in my life, except when made to in high school, picked up on a theme in a book either on purpose or accidentally. I do not give a single fuck.

>>15444456
I didn't think I did, but turns out I actually do

>>15444456
Its a bonus, you should never sacrifice the face value of cool fantastic action for the sake of supporting some hidden metaphor. People like war of the worlds because fighting against aliens is cool, not because its an allegory to world war 1 or whatever.

>>15444473
Seconding this request.

>>15444456
I will spell it out for you simply my friend. A good author needs something more than "this book will have magic in it" to keep themselves motivated to tell the story. They have something in their head they want to communicate with purpose, and the themes and motifs they choose to focus on are what keep them thinking about it, what keep it interesting to the author. If an author, like Mr. Sanderson, or any of the people self-publishing trash on Amazon, can motivate themselves with nothing more than "cool magic" to go on, they do not have a single story in their head actually worth being told.

What are the staples you tend to see on a good science-fiction/fantasy story? Doesn't necessarily have to be specific overdone tropes or cliches, more like recurring generalist elements and patterns that are proven to act as a nice setup for an engaging narrative.

At the top of my head I can think of:
- protagonist is an outsider in some capacity thrown into an unfamiliar situation
- conflicting factions with their own set of strengths and values
- supporting ensemble cast with contrasting personalities, often representatives of the different factions
- ruling authority figures playing pivotal roles
- special powers or abilities that allow for extraordinary fits not possible in the real world
- takes you through a vast set of very distinctive geographical environments
- really large man made structure is significant to the story
- a big scale war-like sequence between large groups
- a more intimate one on one confrontation between the protagonist and the villain or anti-hero
- very imposing non-human singular entity as an obstacle (like a monster, robot, superweapon, battleship, etc)
- human vs nature sequence - getting through an harsh location or (un)natural disaster
- chase or escape sequence
- invading or defending from invaders sequence
- opposing forces competing for the same tangible thing (mcguffin, resource, location, person...)

What ingredients am I missing?

>>15445055
Hero's Journey, always. Its so fucking prevalent because it works. Its just the way humans are wired.
Anything else will always be mere attempts at subversion or deconstruction, so essentially still relying on it all the same.

>>15445137
We're all heroes.

>>15445055
>learn more about old backstory history moment(not the prologue)
may involve a flashback, time travel, finding a note, journey to the underworld, ancient ruins, percursors... or just a very knowledgeable exposition dump character recounting events.

I feel like I'm getitng filtered by The Black Company. It feels like an absolute chore to read and vague as fuck at times. Apparently this is normal?

>>15444473
ASOIAF is technically that when it comes to gods and divinities. Most gods people believe in including the Seven are just myths or superstition, R'hllor and the Northern "gods" are real in the sense they have real magic, but their god status is questionable.

>>15440161

I'm glad you released your book. But, you tend to make a laundry list of descriptions. Like, the wizards room for example, set the tone for the area and give a few examples and move on. Like, "near the couch strewn amber reflections of greasy beer bottles and stagnant, rank liquid stained the rosewood floor."

Or something like that. I'm not fucking Shakespeare.

>>15444456
They don't think it do but it does.

>>15445137
Wrong.

>>15444456
What are some fantasy or sci-fi books with meaningful
>underlying themes, symbolism, and metaphors
?
No Gene Wolfe.

Is there a fantasy writing general in this board somewhere? I couldn't even find a "writing general".

>>15446671
No one writes here you silly goose.

>>15446671
>Writing General
It shows up now and then, but there isn't a persistent thread like /sffg/. can't say exactly why that is.

What do you guys think of Royal Road? I've been looking through it and it's almost all litRPG, Chinese and Koreans, and Reddit-tier stories that still somehow pull in millions of views.

>>15443164
Well guv you got all them shiny colorful mechs, beating on each other like them pugilists, being piloted by angsty teenagers - all I am saying guv is that they aren't sciency at all init?
You being a particularity obnoxious subspecies of weeb wouldn't understand that guv.

>>15443164
My understanding of the Artilleryman was that his dreams were far beyond his abilities. He says he wants to build an underground city with schools, and pubs, and what have you, but when he shows what he's accomplished so far, it's just a ditch that had taken two or so days to dig. His ideas weren't practical. Besides, weren't the martians just giant brains? There's not necessarily any reason to assume that humans would be able to hijack and pilot a tripod. Again, the soldier had dreams but they weren't in line with reality.

The whole point of the story is that the humans really had no answer to the Martian invasion or any real hope of outsmarting or overpowering them. Humanity only "wins" because of an oversight by the aliens.

>Trying to read Bakker
>Hell is real
>Everyone knows that Hell is real
>Everyone knows that everyone who uses magic goes to Hell

>People still use magic

>>15446968
Sounds realistic desu senpai.

>>15445055
Ah. Trying to get us to participate in helping you flesh out your novel.

>>15444444
It doesn't matter, they don't connect.

>>15447110

Okay /sffg/ I want you to recommend the most YA, heroes journey trash that you can. I'm currently experiencing withdrawals and can't focus or think straight and read seriously. I don't want to start watching anime or playing games to pass the time I want to read and I have so much time. I used to read hundreds of pages a day, sometimes a book a day, when I was a kid, but right now I can barely read a chapter without doing something else. I've lost all my concentration and I'm fucking tweaking out and I need something senseless to read, a real page turner

>>15447198
Quarter Share - Nathan Lowell

>>15447198
Cradle by Will Wight is good for this, each book is short and the plot and locations keep moving.

>>15440546
I'm doing the same thing, and re-reading every conan story in chronological order of publication as I do so.

>>15440207
The King of Elfland's Daughter.

>>15442522
Appleseed (manga) by Masamune Shirow.

>>15445137
>Its just the way humans are wired.
that's going a little too far.

>>15445815

I was also thinking this and how cool of an idea it is that George was toying with the idea that the dragons were all in Daenery's head but that could've easily went bad depending on how the story went but I see what you mean with stuff like the Lord of Light and Squishers, one of the reasons I like ASOIAF. It plays the ambiguity of whether religion, magic, or anything pertaining to the supernatural is real or not.

>>15446773
....why? The best for of appreciation of any given art is to practice it yourself.

>>15447343
Because when you put it like that it's a pretentious and retarded waste of time. You have no desire to actually write and probably way too much time on your hands.

>>15447380
Because...?

>>15445914
Word, I hear you. You’re not the first to tell me that. I’m still working out the kinks in my writing, so it’s good to know what’s the weakest link. I’ll try to reduce that in the sequel. The only reason I’m not gonna edit down this book is because I want it to serve as a reference as to where my writing skill was at when I first started. Otherwise, what do you think of the story so far?

>>15447291
>>15445815
GRRM is writing a story where the world starts off with 0 magic, and over time magic creeps in more and more. He was also writing about a medieval Europe setting and a quintessential fedora-tipper, so his Catholicism analogue is both insanely powerful in a terrestrial sense but not backed up by anything substantive spiritually.

So one of the big failings I see with his worldbuilding, is the minority religions have quantifiable, verifiable powers, be it in the far north or the ancient East... but the established religion has nothing at all.
It's really weird, because if you're telling me these other religions can resurrect people, possess others, and do soft time travel, how did The Seven get popular in the first place?

>>15447269
>ask for /lit/ get /a/
Even people's reading comprehension is shit. Just goes to show what not-reading does to a person.

>>15447392
Because this is the reading general, not the aspiring authors general. If you want a writing general go create and nurture your own. Don't be like a sjw tranny who tries to make established entities cater to them because they are too lazy to build their own.

>>15447733
Trannies only make up 0.6% of the population how are they supposed to make their own?

>>15447733
You're making the implication I'm trying to convert this general, which is not true. I was making a question and made a statement, nothing more. Furthermore your reply now has little to nothing to do with your previous one. Maybe if you took on writing you'd be able to write more cohesively.

Is it worth reading?

>>15447749
>/sffg/ is only me and one other person

>>15446968
They say damnation, and they don't know what damnation implies. The only people who 100% know they gonna get fucked in the afterlife is those who summon demons, because the demons will get revenge on your soul when you die. And guess that, demon summoning is "illegal" even for sorcerers.
The thing is, magic is so overpowered in Bakker's world that a sorcerer is basically a god compared to common men. Later in the series you basically have mages level an entire mountain range. Not gonna spoil.
The argument is often repeated in the books: a lifetime of godhood for the possibility of damnation, and remember not everyone even believes in damnation. It's just what the Tusk says about mages. There's still those monks from Shimeh who are basically enlightened for using magic, not damned.

And let's be honest, there's the off chance for hell existing in real life too, and people still do shit even for less than basically godhood in life.

>>15447759
Who the fuck are you quoting?

>>15447757
No, it's a capitalist propaganda for /pol/tards

>>15447198
Percy Jackson books

>>15447198
Dude turn off your computer and all other electronic devices and readjust your brain to a lack of constant gratification

>>15447749
Fuck off you fat faggot. Nobody cares about your writing

>>15447767
Sounds great. Better than marxist garbage for purple hairs

>>15447795
If you're gonna insult someone over the internet the least you could do is try to be creative about it.

>>15447795
I actually care. Fuck off mate.

>>15447767
Why did you answer? It's not sff, and it's obvious pol bait.

>>15447801
>>15447757
I wish posting that book was still bannable on /lit/, we would get rid of a lot of you fags.

>>15447676
how about Titanfall 2, then?

>>15447848
Of course you care about yourself, but we don't care about you.

>>15447897
I care about him too

Remember to report the samefags who are pretending to be different persons.

>>15447848
Thanks, it'd be wise to not feed the likes of him any more attention though.

I still didn't get an answer why this board doesn't has a writing general. Good writing or not, everyone could benefit from knowing how the process of writing works, and it's the type of craft that gives you skills which you can use in other situations. This is what I meant by "truly appreciate the art.

>>15447932
Use this place as a writing general

>>15447757
mods

>>15444456
I dont care, more often than not, if these themes or symbols exist they are just some stupid moral nonsense or worse current day social issues.

>>15447932
Faggot. If you keep posting off topic shit you will get banned. You keep asking questions that were answered. You were told this is the fucking reading general. If you want a writing general go make it and maintain it. Fucking newfag piece of shit.
Your ass has to be from rebbit thanking people who only defended you because they perceived that it would upset the other person. Fuck off. >>>/lit/critique

>>15447938
I think things like dialogue advice, and actual general writing advice are beyond the scope of the thread and would shift the conversation too much. However I don't see any problem is discussing things like particular magic systems, which stories take inspiration from which mythologies, what is the line that separates sci-fi from sci-fan if in a particular universe mechanics like magic are just part of an extended set of physics laws and other similar topics.
>>15447964
I'll give you a last reply against my better judgment.
>You keep asking questions that were answered
Such as?
>You were told this is the fucking reading general
Yes and? Are you implying that reading and writing don't go hand in hand? Or that by doing the latter you can't gain a deeper insight or appreciation of the former? I already said that I don't intend to convert this general, but asking why a particular fanbase does or doesn't do something would fit literally in any thread.
>Your ass has to be from rebbit
It'd do you well to not obsess over other sites.

>>15447833
>be creative
I’m not some faggot trying to be a writer you talentless bitch

>>15447994
Fuck off nobody cares about your writing

>>15448022
Obviously.

>>15447994
It's like blowhards such as yourself clone here at /lit. You all sound the same. And share the same lack of anything resembling an artistic spark.
Post writing nigga, it's time to push your pretentious shit in. If you write as you bloviate here, it's going to be hilarious.

>>15448027
If that were true you wouldn't be replying.
>>15448036
Again I'm not trying to convert the general into writing general.

>>15447614
That's not quite accurate. Magic is established to be tricky and fairly unreliable in ASOIAF, not to mention most of it had died out hundreds of years ago. Moreover, religion is always tied to the broader power structures and political shifts. R'hllorism, for example, is only an emerging minority religion in Westeros - it is described as the main religion in Asshai (which incidentally has a strong magical tradition) and a major one in Essos. We still have no idea if R'hllor is real, mind you; only that his priests can occasionally do real magic, unlike most priests.
The Northern religion, on the other hand, was intentionally eradicated as part of the Andal colonisation effort, replaced with The Faith of the Seven to subjugate the earlier inhabitants of Westeros and cut them away from their traditions. The Old Gods faith also isn't some cuddly nature worship - it's a religion of blood sacrifice, cannibalism and a ton of creepy shit. It's not hard to see that many people may have abandoned it simply because The Seven made them feel better and thought it taught better morals.

>>15440161
I am three chapters in. Will it get more serious? I am sorry but I have trouble with prose, like previous poster mentioned sometimes less is more (or very often), also too much swearing, too much crass language, will the mc evolve or is he going to stay like that?
Also its like every sentence is supposed to be funny but it is just not working.

What is your target audience? Is it young adult, maybe young college dude bro?
I guess its not a bad first attempt, also I guess its easy to for me criticise (when I am not even an author), I think you have potential but with this book you took it the opposite durection

>>15447869
>>15447945
Kek, mentally ill commies got asshurt.

I think talking about writing is fine, but it often devolves into every person just talking about their own writing, and patiently waiting for someone to throw some opinions.

>post off topic shit
>get told it's off topic
>praise kek mentally ill [insert suitable meme phrase] got btfo/mad/told
>get banned for off topic shit
>wahh jannies banned me and i dindu nuffin

What are some science fiction stories that depict nonsensical or abstract perceptions/worlds? I'm planning out a short story in which most of the population have been struck down by constant visual and aural hallucinations caused by malfunctioning augmented-reality visual cortex implants (it's a rebuttal of Randian solipsism, not a superficial INTERNET BAD metaphor) but I've struggling to figure out how to depict such ever-shifting and constant randomness in prose, over the length of the plot. I've tried to set some boundaries and rules because I know true randomness is impossible to emulate believably- such as the idea that no two people hallucinate the same thing at the same time together (or at least it's very unlikely), and that memories and subconscious fears might dictate the content of the main characters' hallucinations to a limited extent, but beyond that I'm really struggling to figure out how to depict it. Has anyone got recommendations for written works that do something like this?

>>15448113
have sex

>>15448113
How is that off-topic, retard? He posted a sci-fi book with political shit in it. People talk daily about marxist garbage books, but this one is too much for your feelings?

>>15448098
Sure it's a problem I don't see the issue with talking about general concepts of the fantasy/fiction genre in general. I have been particularly interested in studying or reading about the subjects I mentioned before.
>>15448136
I've read about a book where you can only look on a certain direction, because turning your head would cause your head to expand indefinitely or something like that, it's one of the most weird and abstract concepts I've ever heard about. Can't remember the name of the book or the author though. I think when it comes to writing, when compared to comics, there's a much bigger barrier writers have to go through, because first there's the issue of writing about something you don't have a direct comparison of, nothing in real life you can draw a parallel from, and then it comes the even harder aspect that language in general isn't well equipped to pass information that hasn't been shared by many people before.

>>15445055
obvious one related to man-made structure
>vaguely alluded-to, casually mentioned place/character/story of the distant past, whose legend is preserved by not being explained until later in the novel (or sometimes not at all)

>>15448165
He is a very sensitive soul.

>>15448066
It does get more serious in places, but it mostly a comedy. It's definitely not for everyone. It was supposed to be an animated web show at first, but I could never get the money for an animator, so it's sort of like a literary adaptation of a show that doesn't exist.

Yeah, that's basically my target audience. The biggest problem I have with it is that most people who would probably like Wizardrous usually don't read books, lol.

The main character does eventually evolve as a person and get more serious, once the the darker parts of the plot come out after chapter eight. He's faced with a shocking and emotionally jarring realization that forces him to take shit more seriously. The only thing I can say without spoiling much is that there is more to his father's disappearance than it seems.

However, this is the first book in a series, and it happens over the course of a few weeks, so the character's don't change drastically in this book. Most of the deeper character development, like him being less of an asshole for example, comes later in the series, once more things unfold for him.

It's definitely a lot more silly at the beginning than it is later in the story. I wanted to start on a lighthearted and absurd note, since the book is primarily a comedy, but don't let that deter you from reading further (unless you're genuinely not enjoying it, of course). It does have it's serious moments.

>>15446671
Why don't you just start the thread yourself?

>That feel when you've been writing for a year but you write slower and slower.

>>15448451
I do the same thing. For me, it's because the more of a story I have, the more I care about that story, and the more I care about a story, the more time I spend on little details.

>>15448027
I care about his writing

>>15448510
At least I already wrote 80k+ words so there's no reason to stop.

>>15444480
Here I was thinking I was the only smoothbrain. Thank you anon. I thought it was weird I didn't care so much.

>>15448534
Exactly. It doesn't matter how long it takes to finish a story; what matters is that you're happy with the end result.

>>15445055
everything is instantly made better with a lesser non-human buddy like an animal, fairy, robot...

the fellowship had a pony, luke had r2d2, potter had hedwig...

>>15444948
Well, you just sound like a pretentious twat.

>>15448569
Having to edit the entire thing is kinda tiring though. Already did it twice and probably will do it again.
But at least I got to the point where new chapters get a hundred people over a week.

>>15447740
With lots of patience and effort, like every fucking body else. Otherwise, people will continue not taking you seriously you LARPing faggot

>>15448611
Yeah, you're preaching to the choir. I'm the anon who was talking earlier in the thread about how I just self published my first novel. By a large margin, the editing was the biggest pain in the ass. That's like half the reason I don't want to go back again to edit out some of the extraneous detail people have been criticizing.

A trick I'd recommend is having a friend proofread it to you for the third edit, and change anything that you think sounds wrong. Having it read out loud gives a whole new perspective on it. Plus, you have another person to give their opinion on the prose. There were a couple things my friend caught while proofreading that I missed.

>>15448040
>suddenly doesn't want to post their writing they were dying to shill a while ago
Figures. Consider a rope, fiend.

>>15448076
That tends to be the end result when faced with any challenge. They should really be given helicopter rides until we're rid of them.

>>15448585
and you sound like a sanderson reader

>>15448654
Well, at least you have a friend who is interested in your work

>>15448678
Why the fuck do you think I'd even post my writings? There's a massive difference between having a thread about writing and posting parts of your work on it. There's a meta analysis and discussion to be had about any particular skill. I was just weirded out because this seems to be the ONLY board that doesn't has users who try to produce works of their own.

>>15448717
/mu/ is the same, isn't it.

>>15448711
Hey man, you said you had a hundred people a week checking out your new chapters. Don't sell yourself short; that's actually pretty impressive for a new writer.

Have you asked your friends if they'd be willing to proofread it? It might turn out that they'd be happy to help! I mean, it doesn't have to be all at once; when I was finishing my book, my friend would just read me a chapter here and there for a few weeks until we finished.

>>15448711
Nope, they have a music production general, and also have a few guides for those who are starting out. /lit is LITERALLY the only board who doesn't seem to care enough about it's main subject to actually do something instead of just consuming.

>>15448728
/mu/ has sharethreads tho

>>15448748
I think you replied to the wrong post, lol.

I'll remake this question to see if I can get a discussion about this going. What is the line that separates sci-fi from sci-fantasy if in a particular universe mechanics like magic are just part of an extended set of physics laws? Does sci-fi has to adhere to OUR laws of physiscs?
>>15448761
Yep >>15448748 meant to >>15448728

How would a trans protagonist work in a scifi or fantasy setting when magic or tech can make you a passing functional girl?
Mental dissonance and body unfamiliarity maybe?

>>15448053
Creepy is relative though. The Celts practised animal and human sacrifice all the time, the only ones freaked out by it were the Romans because they hadn't dealt with such things.

It is creepy, no doubt, but if you live in a society that ascribes power to such things you aren't going to give that up because a foreign group of people tell you it makes you more enlightened. Plenty of groups resisted throughout history and their witchcraft didn't even work! In westeros it does, and they get nothing back for it

Are we really to believe the Andals were able to conquer a whole continent south of the neck because they had steel and the First Men had Bronze? Absent magic I can get that, but look at what the Children of the Forest and the Wildlings have and then imagine those powers were entwined with the power structures of all 7 kingdoms.
Atheists should have been btfo'd.

>>15448766
Why bring this shit to /lit/ ?

>>15448766
This is the best thing about magic, if in your setting a trans person can fully transition, you don't have to pay lip service to any trans activists. You can just say that there are trans, they fully transition and you don't want to deadname them.

>>15448788
But don't you think there would be prejudice against people born male?
Could also make the transformation super expensive right?

>>15448804
Nope, also nope. Honestly it depends on what you want to focus, if you want your focus to be on experiences that are cathartic to a trans person from our world, sure, go for it, if you, however, like me don't want to include on it at all, magic is a perfect excuse to why there wouldn't need to be any focus on trans issues, there aren't any.

>>15448765
I remember a discussion like that in /a/ Kyokaisen threads.

Basically, sci fantasy is a marketing label that people accepted because it makes sense to them as long as they don't try to define it.

Because it's not how fantastical the technologies in sci fi are, but consequences of their existence on the life of the characters and the world around them.

As long as those consequences are presented and developed in a believable manner, I think you can slap any label on it.
>Hard sci fi
>Soft sci fi
>Science fantasy
>Military sci fi
>High concept sci fi
>Space sci fi
>Cyberpunk sci fi

I mean, what's the difference between Azimov Foundation's mind powers and Princess of Mars's 8th and 9th Rays? Or Heinlein's power armor that make no sense in modern science terms.

>>15448717
If you don’t want to post your writing it must be complete shit. Nobody here wants to hear you whine about how hard writing is when you don’t even have the balls to display what you wrote. This thread is for book discussion not /r9k/ writers block

>>15448766
They’d kill themselves in the third chapter

>>15448844
Genre labels are pretty fucking complicated when you think about it, there's far too little definition.The thing which would actually work nowadays is tags, which can have more definite terms such as "internally consistent metaphysics" or "soft magic system". Though the latter and hard magic systems seem to be yet another headache.
>>15448851
Holy fuck you're still shitposting?
>book discussion
Which coincidentally is also a good tool for writers. Use your head.

>>15448817
There should be a focus on trans issues.

>>15446968
Damn your soul to save the world.

They spell it out in the Mandate. Your soul to save your world from the Consult.

>>15448885
That's for the writer to decide obviously.

>>15448873
Soft and hard magic is just a level of detail. Gandalf just does his magic, but D&D mages have all those limitations and conditions.

>>15448165
Rand isn't sffg.

>>15448917
Level of detail revealed to the readers of just level of detail in general? It's pretty much a spectrum when you think about it.

>>15448924
Well, if readers don't know the rules that magic has to follow, then they will not understand the importance of actions needed to follow those rules.

Like, a mage lifts his staff and then magic happens. You might know that he needs to cut contact between staff and ground to cast, but reader doesn't and wont understand why the mage suddenly can't cast magic.

>>15448922
> literally writes science fiction
Why don't we get to the heart of what this is really about, you don't like a book that doesn't fit your political opinion so you need to hop in and SEETHE every time it's brought up.

>>15448940
I heard before that soft magic systems work best in stories that don't focus on the magic, like Pan's Labyrinth, but honestly I don't think I like the stories that do have soft magic system, it's far too much of a plot device for the writer to do whatever he wants. Creativity is at it's best when you impose limitations on the tools available.

>>15448873
You’ll never write anything that anyone will read so fuck off already

>>15448885
There’s no such thing as trans issues. Unless you mean mental illness

>>15448971
Your shitposts only give me more motivation.

sanderson is a hack

>>15448961
Well, the limits could be in character actions that have to make sense. A mage can do anything, but he's
>raised as who he is
>part of an organization/society that has its own rules
>doesn't want to attract hostile attention
>etc
And that might be enough limits.

>>15449001
I don't think so, those are soft limitations, hard limitations are things that are simply impossible to happen, and in fantasy, they matter a lot more to prevent things like powercreep.

>>15448899
What would be the point in writing such a story if there aren't to have any mention or any aspect based on tranny issues?
You can't just write a girl and call it a boy and then mention it's a girl for one second and that's it.

>>15449012
You can make those limitations unbreakable.
Make a geas that will kill the mage if he breaks it. Or make mages kinda sort understand each other if they share a mana stream, so he couldn't lie his way out of law enforcement. etc.

Also, powercreep is a normal thing in most works.

>>15449036
>Its different because I think it is different otherwise I'd be unable to carry this out
That's a good trope. I saw it used somewhere.

>>15449035
>What would be the point in writing such a story
Again because if you don't want to write about trans issues, but you also don't want to deal with activists screeching at you it's the perfect excuse.
>You can't just write a girl and call it a boy and then mention it's a girl for one second and that's it.
If push comes to shove I wouldn't even mention a particular character, just say that there are those who transitioned but now live happily as a member of the opposite sex.

See what happens when you give them an inch? They take a whole fucking square mile.
Same thing with outer /lit/. They didn't report the pol, philosocucks, and christcucks at the start, now it's far harder to get rid of them. Outer lit is a wasteland, sffg is the only thread that I see actually discusses books on a regular basis..

Now we an anon that doesn't want to put in the work to make and maintain a critique /writing general, so he is trying to subvert the reading general to his use(of course he denies this constantly while bringing up writing techniques and story structure posts). Now other write fags are coming in here to discuss their writing. Sffg is dead, first it was pol, then reddites, now fucking wannabe authors are posting off topic shit in the general. 2020 is the year of kill.

what the fuck is powercreep and soft magic what are you faggots talking about

i hate when people try and boil everything down into some sort of formula

>>15449036
How do you avoid power creep?

>>15448961
It varies depending on how it's used. I feel that people who autistically design hard magic systems make it more into a science than actual magic. Really, it just comes down to what you prefer, though.

>>15449036
Those are nice ideas but I still think that if the story focuses on the magic, it still needs hard limitations of what's impossible for a mage to do. Geas are targeted at specific individuals, law enforcement can be corrupted or incompetent. When we say however that nothing can exceed the speed of light, there's no "ifs or buts", the best you can do is work around such hard limitations, and it's those workarounds that force you to be more creative.

>>15449073
how do we get them to shut the fuck up?

>>15449074
I'm saying that trying to put that into a formula is wrong, because all these terms are just a marketing trick. That people took seriously because it's easier to say a couple of buzzwords instead of describing the book.

>>15449067
I'm not looking for a perfect excuse to cater to activitists for virtue signaling. I was thinking about the issues a person could explore even if we had the advanced or magic world where trannies could have what they wanted.

>>15449076
You make the characters live in your world instead of copypasting the previous encounter but bigger.

>>15449081
>I feel that people who autistically design hard magic systems make it more into a science than actual magic
I know, isn't that fun?

>>15449073
That's wrong. sffg died a long time ago. What you see is putrefaction. It will only become more putrid as time goes by.

>>15449074
>don't make sense of things
>there is no pattern
>give in to complete randomness
>goyim
Anyway Powercreep is when characters have leveled up so that they're strong just because and everyone else is irrelevant.
Soft magic is when you don't even gotta explain stuff.

>>15449074
Everything has a formula because the world can always be mathematically expressed. And patterns always arise.

>>15449088
>I'm not looking for a perfect excuse to cater to activitists for virtue signaling
It isn't though, it's just a way to be politically correct WHILE not having to cater to them.

>>15449086
You can't. Learn to enjoy anything that happens. Adapt yourself or leave.

>>15449114
maths is an earthly language and not a universal constant

remind me how big is an atom?

>>15449123
Why are we having this conversation when you clearly don't give a shit about this?

>>15449076
Like I said, hard limitations. Focusing on creative solutions for the problems that arise.

>>15448985
And what has that motivation yielded so far? Point me to something you’ve written

>>15449125
no faggot this is sffg not writefag general make your own thread and you fuck off

>>15449131
Atoms are extremely small; typical sizes are around 100 picometers (1×10−10 m, a ten-millionth of a millimeter, or 1/254,000,000 of an inch).

>>15449084
Well, actually, speed of light is absolute with modern understanding of the world. I mean, black holes were thought of as absolute traps, yet this was recently challenged.

>>15449131
>maths is an earthly
Wrong, math is discovered, not created. We might use specific characters to express them in something we can understand, but it's not out of equation that you could use an universal constant as a basis for a universal math language.

>>15448873
>>book discussion
>Which coincidentally is also a good tool for writers.
We discussed published books. If you want to dissect the magic used in Jonathan strange or harry potter no one cares. It's when you want to discuss works that don't exist, i.e. you are currently writing it, is what ruffles people's jimmies. But do you. I don't visit much, I just remember the last time something like this happen the mods cleaned house. So many deleted posts. So know what you think you are in the right of is actually right.
/a/ used to ban naruto threads back in the day and force the naruto fans to /b/ to discuss.

>>15449134
Dilate already you freak

>>15449144
A meter is an arbitrary unit.

>>15449147
wrong you have no idea how the other side of the universe works you can only guess and speculate

>>15449136
I have put about 10k words so far in a wiki I'm making to guide myself as I write. I'm pretty happy with the process because it often forces me to research about a particular subject.

>/lit
>we discuss published books, not WIPs
Amusing that /a/ says the same.

>>15449134
Because you made a question and I wanted to test whether there was or not a flaw in my plan.

>>15449100
If you like that style, sure.

>>15449140
Just lay back and enjoy it. Struggling will only make it worse.

>>15449114
>because the world can always be mathematically expressed
The only way this assertion can remotely make sense is if you go full digital physics. If you just mean that we can explain everything by math you end up with bad memes like utilitarianism

>>15449157
he was too stupid to get at what i was saying

>>15449146
>black holes were thought of as absolute traps, yet this was recently challenged
Source? Do they think subatomic particles might escape?
>>15449148
It's a great tool for writers because you can discuss the elements that compose a good story, distill them to their most basic aspects and try to use them as tools for yourself. It has nothing to do with discussing unpublished works.
>It's when you want to discuss works that don't exist, i.e. you are currently writing it
And what's the difference between that and saying how you think a particular system should have worked in a book? A critique of how a published work should have dealt with something IS your writing.
>I just remember the last time something like this happen the mods cleaned house.
Like if that means anything

>>15449001
>Well, the limits could be in character actions that have to make sense. A mage can do anything, but he's
>>raised as who he is
>>part of an organization/society that has its own rules
Worst type of magic user, being able to cast almost any spell but not doing for irrelevant reasons (morality)

>>15449134
Because we don't care about trannies, we just don't want to get cancelled by their current power.
It's why jk Rowling says that Dumbledore is gay, it gets the activists off her back while leaving the work intact. If you don't see that trannies are a scourge who don't even know what they want, then you're the problem why authors have to hide. Write a book with all the issues you think trannies have, and stop expecting big names or others to do the work for you. Seeing you post this shit while being unwilling to listen makes me believe that trannies just want people to cater to them.

>>15449209
Think that anon might be talking about Hawking radiation

>>15449159
Wrong, we observe and theorize, there's a big difference.

>>15448782
There are no atheists in Westeros except for maybe Stannis, so I'm not sure who was supposed to be BTFO'd.
As for religion, all faiths have waned eventually because people have stopped believing in them and decided they liked other faiths better. You're also forgetting that in ASOIAF, manmade magic is generally indistinguishable from the "natural" supernatural and may even be the same thing. Old Gods vs Andals is also very much a story of animism vs civilization: animistic faiths are much stronger when the nature is deep and untamed and man is just a small part of it instead of the dominant element. The Andals had steel, but also advanced feudalism, literacy, record keeping, and stronger castles for example. They were well poised to become successful conquerors.

>>15449225
Problem with that is that we have no way of knowing that the rest of the universe follows the same laws as the bits we can observe. It could be that we're in a false vacuum, for example

That's kind of a dumb assumption because it's practically unfalsifiable and you might as well say we live in the Matrix, but still

>>15449220
There was that recent image that showed that a clump of energy left from a black hole. I don't remember the site though.

>>15449220
Is there anything to back it up though? I've also heard some scientists have the theory that black holes are actually just dark energy stars, considering neither can be actually tested, I don't think we can throw away Einstein's equation.

>>15449225
thats science not maths and science isn't infallible either

Do you guys think that changing your body using technology would make you feel foreign in your own new body?
Has any author explored this?

>>15449243
>Problem with that is that we have no way of knowing that the rest of the universe follows the same laws as the bits we can observe
Well you might enjoy this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IpNEzucNyo

>>15449246
I think the more we delve into quantum mechanics, the farther we'll be from saying that something is absolute. Like speed of light.

Question for people who read pic related, is it best magic system that has been invented the last 5 or maybe even 10 years?

>>15449073
>sffg will ignore the following information
>your book ideas
>crying about editing your novel
Is there a specific pic for everything in this general? Seems funny that so many pics correspond to the posts.

>>15449229
>Andals
"This time without the 'V'!"

>>15449251
>foreign
You mean have wrong movement coordination, or have the friend of foe in your brain disabled?

>>15449256
As someone from stem it feels really bad when authors pretend to know a lot about your field.

>>15449247
Back to the point, we do observe very far away in the universe and the extrapolation of the most basic equations are still used to predict how the universe works with a very high level of accuracy. Sure you can try to argue that the universe is different beyond our observable universe, but you have no reason to claim so.

>>15449251
This question shows that the asker doesn't read sff.

>>15449256
That's true, and it's making a lot of physicists and mathematicians mad. The second we discover particle for gravity I know of at least a few canadian mathematicians who will end up on suicide watch.

>>15449270
Wrong movement coordination. Basically looking down at your hands and feeling like they're not actually yours even though they are. Is this realistic?

>>15449275
Stem is a broad field. I don't think a physicist could competently talk with a chemist or an engineer about their fields either.

>>15449277
your relying on the fact your technology is telling you what is actually happening and that its range isn't actually very small

>>15449288
This already exists without needing technology as well.

>>15449277
>Sure you can try to argue that the universe is different beyond our observable universe, but you have no reason to claim so.

imagine your walking along in the day and the ground is flat then at night it goes pitch black and theirs a hole in the ground and you fall in and break your leg

but science told me to expect the ground is flat as that's what i observed during the day

I think a stronger version of the argument that anon is making is that a lot of those min-maxable magic systems only work because the metaphysics of their setting are already very similar to ours, so they end up being essentially "cheat codes" stapled to the side of physics. A counterexample would be something like Earthsea that doesn't seem to work on anything like our natural laws past a very superficial level, and the foundations of reality are instead names and some notion of cosmic "balance"

>>15449304
But the technology can exacerbate the issue.

>>15449125
So like sffg, America must learn to enjoy what happens or leave? It doesn't matter who was first? If the new guy comes along and he wants to fuck your bitch (sffg) you must let it happen? Okay.

>>15449251
This is a very common theme.

>>15449169
Sffg, not lit, faggot. There are writing prompts and critique generals in outer lit. Sffg discusses published works.

>>15449364
This is how trannies feel all the time. Checkmate

>>15449347
It's simply an acceptance of your lack of personal ability to change anything. Without active enforcement, anarchy reigns.

>>15449347
Yes. It doesn't matter who was first. That would be powercreep.

>>15449262
describe it

Why isn't there a book about a world like psychopass where you are scanned for guilt?

>>15449251
>tranny who doesn't read pretend that they do

>>15449375
I once met someone who had their entire back tattooed as though their flesh was rent apart and underneath was metal. They were also dysphoric about not being a cyborg.

>>15449298
Not when it comes to the behavior of things like gravity effects of large bodies. The actual issues we have is with smaller things.
>>15449309
bad analogy buddy

>>15449399
That isn't really how that system works. Also, it's more of a matter of you being ignorant of what exists than anything else.

The dysphoria/transhumanism stuff is kind of low hanging fruit by now. Clarkesworld ran a short story about weaponized gender reassignment earlier this year but it was taken down

>>15449413
It's all based on guilt. If you commit a crime but don't feel bad or stressed then your pass remains clean.

>>15449408
>bad analogy buddy
shit rebuttal

>>15449417
https://web.archive.org/web/20200109113645/http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/fall_01_20/ for anyone who wants to read it

The writer was transgender herself but a lot of people went berserk because of the title

>>15449417
If its low hanging fruit why isn't it so popular? And why isn't there much material?
You'd think we have tons of self publishers right now but there isn't something about everything.

>sffg is filled with stemfags
No wonder the recent push for hard scifi and the hate of actual science fiction where they imagine future technologies like the days of old. I hate stemfags. Hard sci-fi is shit and you're killing a genre with your pollution of "real world technology".

>>15449432
It wasn't a rebuttal, I'm saying I don't even understand how that's supposed to prove any point whatsoever.

>>15449430
Not quite. In theory it's based on Sibyl deciding what's best for everyone using some weird form of utilitarianism. In practice it's the intensity of any negative emotion, not only guilt.

>>15449458
based tradie

Thoughts on biopunk?

>>15449443
Because you don't read you fucking literal tranny.
Go read Neal Asher or Richard Morgan if you want body swaps with people feeling uncomfortable in the swapped body.

>>15449458
Tell me how to imagine future technologies like they used to.
I can't do it because they killed my creativity in college while I finished my degree in molecular biology.

>>15449478
I only read good stuff. I don't read everything. Why do you have to be so angry?

>>15449473
Seconding this. I'm looking for something with biopunk / body horror themese.

>>15449499
Me too. I'd also enjoy some of that. It can raise awareness on certain issues.

>>15449473
Check the not-asia

>>15449485
They thought we would have flying cars, floating cities, a colony on the moon and mars.
Just use your college learning and make your own.
>single celled organisms that attach together to form smart clothing

>smart microbes that can mimic any protein and live in your marrow, so they "patch" you quickly when hurt

>arousal organism that lives in person's testicles, when he has sex with someone they burn with lust and come looking for more, it is thought that this organism is what started the fawn mythos, after raping any one they don't care anymore because their switch has been flipped into permanent on

>>15448755
Yes, separate threads. Made by someone who nurtured them and others who care enough to do the same. Not sharefags shoehorning their conversations into other existing threads about specific genres of music.

>>15449398
Ok but this is spoilers. All people have lifeforce that also acts as magical energy, it is also present everywhere around us. In people it is limited and when it runs out we die. Also to use magic it takes alot of this energy, its a double edged sword and people, magicians (those that actually studied it and learned spells) normally avoid using magic at any cost because it shortens their life, but there are ways around it, and even sort of industry, for spells, potions, enchantments, magical gear etc, its also used in war, in healing etc bt again due to cost its not readily available, where there is industry there is conspiracy, crime, politics involved.
Obviously there is more to the magic system but just giving it all away wouldnt be nice.

>>15449511
>>15449499
>>15449473
Some of Paolo Bacigalupi's short fiction

>>15449491
Show me that fat boipussy and I will be loving.

>>15449607
The picture here >>15449534 literally says the wind up girl

>>15449619
Chinzurena

>>15449212
You need to go back. Or just end yourself altogether.

>>15448885
nah

>>15449606
I've read so many self published and traditional published books with "magic as a life force". You just don't read much. What you described so many books did it. I'm sure the story plays a big part of this book, because other books have similar magic.

>>15449633
>Chinzurena
So you want us to make a baby together? I'm up for breeding u.

>>15449251
You’re a fucking retard

>>15449645
Go back where? This general was never a tranny safe space.

>>15449672
Yes, story is a big part of it. What I am saying is that its quite clearly defined and more importantly the characters are forced to use it clever ways instead of just powering up and destroying everything. Thats what makes it so good.

>>15449689
>we just don't want to get cancelled
That right there, you dumb kike. Nobody ever gave a fuck about being """"cancelled""" except trannies and kikes. Fuck off back to plebbit.

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Chasm City

>>15449499
>Saya no Uta
Are there any Lovecraftian love stories (human x eldritch abomination) that aren't video games?

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Thanks, I'll check them out

>>15449499
try daniel o'malley - rook and the sequel stiletto
it has bad guys that like to alter peoples bodies with surgery