/lit/ - Literature

Meine desu

don't cut yourself on that edge

the 'kill yourself' edition makes for a quite satisfying read.

It doesn't really matter. It's a work to be read for its historical relevance and not for its prose or style.

>>15444584
actually it does matter.

>>15444584
lmfao. ok, kike

>>15444726
hes right. hitler was a pretty shoddy writer and mein kampf is a shitty book. theres nothing nuanced about its writing that a translation could lose. its only relevant because its hitler.

>>15444577
seething

>>15444965
This. The only reason you could ever care about the difference between two translations of Kampf is if you just don't understand why translations are significant considerations. There's no greater meaning or artistic voice you're going to miss. It's a brutish book written clumsily by a man with a hell of a lot more charisma than brains.

>>15444547
Nothing post war, the Ford version is usually held to be best. Don't mind what Schlomo and company say, they want you to read the approved translations only.

>>15444562
>Reading historical and philosophical works by controversial figures is edge!!

Get off this board

>>15445007
Uh oh, picking up something on the J-dar...

>>15445035
What makes the Ford version better? Is there an even more accurate (potentially pre-1945) edition that exists?

>>15445049
Retard.

>>15444726
>>15445049
rent free

>>15444547
>>15445050
There's the James Murphy translation, which was done in 1939 and was one of the first editions. If my memory serves me correctly, Murphy's translation was either payed for or endorsed by the Nazi party. Take that for what you will. It might capture more of the sentiment of the original German and the attitudes of the time.
>>15445007
>>15444584
>>15444965
You seriously that stupid? A translation can make or break a book. It can completely rob a piece of work of its soul. On a purely academic level, wouldn't want to get the best possible rendition of a book that captures the spirit of the man who the modern world has formed itself in contrast to. Hitler didn't win the war, but his existence altered the course of human history. Emotions are key to understanding a historical figure.

>>15444965
t. Never read the book

>>15445135
People only read Mein Kampf because Hitler wrote it. Even before he came to power it was hardly read because it's a mediocre and inconsistent work when read outside of the context of its author.

>>15444547
I’m reading the Stalag edition which was translated by an anonymous member of the Nazi party. Don’t listen to the memes, Hitler was a fine writer. His ideas are up for debate seeing as it’s 4chan and all.

>>15445143
>t. historically illiterate

>>15444547
>not learning German to read the original

>>15445155
Wasn’t this translation largely done by Murphy? i.e. what they confiscated from him when they kicked him out of the country

>>15445129
>It can completely rob a piece of work of its soul
Are we talking about the same Hitler? Are you really trying to tell me that Hitler was a sufficiently adroit writer to have any """"""soul"""""" worth transposing? What's important are the concepts, and concepts are nuance-agnostic. If I said "fuck you, nigger" it probably wouldn't matter that much if it were translated to say "eat shit, nigger." Not much of anything would be lost in translation because the use of language is essentially a shitpost, and the kind of distinction nobody with a brain would care about. Hitler had no great command of language worth transposing with any especial care. Far more important are the concepts.

>>15446062
Jesus Christ, you’re mentally handicapped. Yes, Hitler's, or any author's, work has a soul that is worth preserving. Also, your examples prove how feeble your mental faculties are. Not only are both statements removed from any context, meaning I have no idea if this is friendly or an insult, both statements presented have completely different meanings and present completely different concepts. The latter being a big thing to you. Should I take the rest of your post as context, which is including the essence of the writer, the only reason you find them interchangeable is because the vernacular you use only sees them as insults. You, due to your stupidity, only gives each statement a singular meaning and thinks that that meaning is transmittable to all people in all times. Concepts are the most basic form of something. It’s the author that gives that concept life, and the author’s style needs to be maintained, less it be altered. Judging from your post, you’re not very smart, and have most likely never read the original German text, or have never read it in any capacity that is worth taking into account. So, any valuation you have of Hitler’s writing skills is probably somebody else’s shit that your puking back up, but even if Hitler was a bad writer, his style needs to be preserved. You’re a retard and I doubt you’re even literate. Stop pretending to be smart.

>>15446062
>because the use of language is essentially a shitpost
I shouldn't have even wasted the time on a piece of shit as stupid as you.

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>>15446476
You've really got a high opinion of yourself, don't you? I only really give a shit about translation quality when it's a writer with a writing style worth preserving. If you want to study the nuance of Hitler's sentence structure to divine the ultimate root of his distaste for Jews, knock yourself out. Personally, I think it's a fairly cursory examination of what wasn't ultimately that great a mind, but hey, that's probably because I'm the one of us who's actually read Hitler. I don't want you to feel like I'm ignoring you and just spouting off my own beliefs from the springboard, but at the same time it's difficult for me to take you seriously when you make so many suppositions and inferences (some HUGE leaps there, by the way) about me, as a human being, from a paragraph on the internet. I don't even disagree with some of what you're saying, but you're so caught up in burning down the straw man you're erecting that you're probably not even going to read this critically enough to understand what I'm saying (and said). So, the greatest irony is that it's probably me wasting my time on you.

>>15445746
What about Dalton translation? It seems to be the best and comes with the original German.

>>15446582
Kek. I did read your post though, and understood it too:) Why are you being so mean to me my fellow human being? Joking aside, you seem pretty reasonable. Perhaps my language was a little harsh, but it's just what occurs after a bit on a site like this.
> I only really give a shit about translation quality when it's a writer with a writing style worth preserving.
Don't understand this though, literally plebeian tier. A bad translation has the ability to alter the very meaning of a passage. I'll admit the simplest way to avoid this problem is to learn the root language, but I can only learn so many new languages so quickly.

>>15444547
"Follow your leader"-edition.

>>15445143
How can you have an opinion this bad?

>>15444584
>>15444965
>>15445007
BRAINLETS
how can you not take into consideration that this is a work very susceptible to censorship, huh? there was one famous translation out that that, to "truly express what hitler meant", goes about removing entire paragraphs and shit.
you will literally struggle trying to find the ford translation in the US/Europe

>>15447720
Dumb frogposter

>>15447752
dum kike lol xD
if you somehow deny Mein Kampf's susceptibility to censorship you are either pickle-brained or paid to say this

>>15445007
You haven’t read the book. His analysis of German politics and German history was extremely poignant. His writing was just fine. Nothing special but not bad either. It would earn him a solid B in a writing class

>>15445129
an actual answer. thank you anon.
>A translation can make or break a book.
unironically this

>>15444562
>t. Actual brainlet

Mi Lucha von Adolfo Hitler

>>15444547
I honestly think the people who bitch about Mein Kampf never even read it. The book is nothing spectacular but its a fine read

>>15448690
Thats 100% of the time. No one who has actually read Mein Kampf thinks its bad. Hitler had a really good usage of metaphors and soliloquy

>>15448730
He also had a very good understanding of the political dynamics of Europe At the time. He knew the General feelings of the people and what they were so dissatisfied with. That’s what he tapped into in order to take power.
Go look on Quora where people ask about the book. The responses are almost universally people calling Hitler stupid.
It’s never smart to underestimate your enemy, especially one with a mission like Hitlers