/lit/ - Literature

>>15417903
me too man. their culture is so lame and ubiquitous.

>>15417903
I went to New York once, walked around Manhattan and Brooklyn for a week, and left thinking "Is that it?" It's just a bunch of annoying people and ugly buildings arranged haphazardly. Why would anyone want to live there?

>>15417903
I know I'm in the minority here, but I love New York. I only spent a little time there, but it was everything I expected and more.
So, I cordially invite you to go fuck yourself.

Everyone knows all the best American writers come from the South, anyway.

New York culture is just other cultures watered down

>>15417948
People live in cities because lots of other people live in cities so it's a good place to have a business because there's lots of people there.
However, thanks to internet, it might work out that you don't need to be physically near other people to do business with them, and so if we are lucky and people are smart, they will stop employing people in cities and start working out ways for everyone to work from their home anywhere in the country.

>>15418006
Agreed. I live in Midtown and I enjoy it alot more than the fucking suburban hell-hole that my friends eventually moved to.

I really cannot imagine myself going from house to car to work to car to house to car to restaurant to car to house. I'll take my shoebaru's thanks.

>>15418039
However, the northeast mogs the south
>>15418070
Brainlet-tier take

>>15417903
there are things that I love and hate about it. it's better than chicago at least. fuck that place

>>15417903
>inert author

Well, if he was born in New York and still resides in New York, he truly was inert

>>15417903
New York has a giant publishing industry, of course writers are going to be born and come here. And there are a lot of nice places in New York, sorry you only walked around Times Square and now you say you've "been" to New York

>>15417903
Surely NY being the Gem capital of the USA has nothing to do with NY being the horribly bloated capital of American literature at the expense of basically every other place sans California.

>>15418642
>"been"

>>15418759
are you saying what I think you're saying?

>>15417948
You're supposed to walk inside some of the buildings.

>>15418803
Seriously? No one told me. I guess I'll have to plan another trip there.

>>15418453
i would love for that to be true anon but it seems to good to be true

>>15419859
All it is gonna take is companies to realize they are way overpaying city dwelling employees, and for potential employees to recognize they don't need to move to the city to get jobs.
The first we will see of this will be a company that decides to go entirely online, and slowly we will see it's employees realize they don't need to stay in cities. The company will start hiring from all over the country, anyone who is qualified and willing to work for lower pay than those living in expensive cities with high rents.
We already outsource customer service overseas, it's clear that decentralized business is possible, its just going to take Businesses to start realizing this and the benefits it would bring.

I was born and raised in nyc ask me anything

>>15419906
I have no questions, I just want to express my deepest condolences that you had to live in that shithole.

>>15419918
I completely understand
not everyone can handle it

>>15419906
Are you Jewish?

>>15419934
No but I often have to remind myself that most people online hardly ever interact with Jews which is strange compared to my world

>>15419918
cope
that guy won the lottery of life

>>15418453
This, also the historical happenings of NY really do justify the hype to an extent. For example, Jean-Michel Basquiat grew up looking at extraordinary art on museum walls thanks to the efforts of the Brooklyn, the Met, MoMa, etc. and went on to be one of the most critically acclaimed artists on the last century. I think the same happens with music (e.g. The Strokes) and literature (e.g., the NY Jonathan's that dominated the early 00s, the NYU/New Yorker/Paris Review crew). It's where the arts industry has burgeoned.

NY is nice. Maybe a little dirty and crowded but theres a lot of interesting people there. People, especially right wingers, like to shit on ny and cali but romanticize the rural flyover states as if theyre paradise on earth. Im currently working as an field engineer in a very rural part of the country and I would much rather be paying jacked up rent to be cramped in bushwick than deal with most of shit I see on a daily basis.

>>15418453
Skallas?

>>15419950
Are any stereotypes accurate?

>>15420441
Without going off on this question, yes.

I live here and I dont get the hype desu. Although I am in... Queens

>>15418480
And Texas mogs everyone

>>15420622
Are you a transplant?

Brooklyn checking in. Some days I love it some days I hate it. Most are the former, though. Every trip around the block is a small adventure.

>>15420622
I live in a kinda big city, but huge swaths are suburban stripmall hellhole sprawl. When I go downtown I love being surrounded by buildings and structures with so much effort put into building them and maintaining them. I love to see the complete domination of the land in such a dense manor. There are a few streets of bars, restaurants, museums, stores, etc with apartments above them, but it really boils down to like two (the rest of downtown is hotels and businesses). Going up and down those streets when it's busy and you can just see the people springing to live, going here and there, each one busy and having an entire life to their own. Sure, there are hobos and shit, but it's a fine trade off for such a cool sight as society so dense. It really shows the progress that has been made. It gives an almost false nostalgia in a way. I love going to the country, don't get me wrong. I have a great uncle with a giant ass ranch in oklahoma, but I've been raised in suburbia and it's hell. It's disgusting, slow, comfortable, proper. It's everything the two extremes of the big city and the country are not. I may not actually like city life. The one time I had a job downtown in a skyscraper, the only part of the job that ironically didn't make me want to kill myself was the view.

>>15420686
I have to ask...are you a transplant?

>>15420712
nope, i’m from canarsie

>>15417903
I'm rom NYC. Miserable neurotic place where people don't look at each other. Niggers are ignored on the subway and terrify everyone with jungle jams and dance routines. Loud faggots and trannys drown out the millions of voices that oppose their ideas, subway has constant delays. Living in other states (and countries) for work opened my eyes to how bad it is. Food is the best though

Sullivan county here, fuck NYC. Lived there 10 years, most of it in Queens and it gets old real fuckin quick. I like having a house and a car (own both cars, all paid off) and don’t have to get jammed up in traffic whenever I want to drive around. I also don’t get smushed on the fuckin subway with all the other pigs down there. The 7 was bad at rush hour, and I’d taken the L a few times then and it was even worse. Sometimes I feel bad for all the people who got tricked into moving to Brooklyn.

Literary scene sucks, it’s all Brooklynites who think DFW is the second coming of Christ. Walk through Greenpoint or Williamsburg or Bushwick and look up and you’ll see copies of Infinite Jest sitting in every other window. The whole west side, upper and lower, holds the last vestiges of the true NY lit club but you’re not allowed in. There are some surviving elements in the Lower East Side but not much.

>>15420622
You seem alright. I lived in Flushing for a while and it fuckin sucked but everything was cheap. It wasn’t worth having little baby roaches crawl out of the faucet every time I turned the water on though, so I moved outta there to Sunnyside and lived there for a few years but then moved upstate in 2017. Highly recommend, even if it’s just to Westchester. Queens is real nice cuz it’s quiet but it’s getting busier and busier since rent in Brooklyn is getting to be too much. Soon there won’t be anywhere to go other than up and out.

What's the point of about the author pages? Have they ever been interesting?
>...lives with his wife and dog.
Wow! Wife AND dog?!?!

How do you live in the middle of ny? I was there for 4 months but lost all my savings and salary in the rent. Literally worked for nothing, and lost money in the process.

>>15420827
live with family members

I live in Seattle and it's fine but I would live in the countryside or the mountains in an instant if I didn't think I'd become suicidally lonesome

Honestly fuck coasties

I have everything I need in my rural village

>>15420822
Waiting for someone to say it. This bugs the fuck out of me

>writer in residence

>>15420638
Objectively wrong.

>>15420075
>Jean-Michel Basquiat
>The Strokes
>New Yorker
>Paris Review
Why are Americans so tasteless? Everything you people think is "high culture" is highly overrated pretentious garbage

>>15421112
>rent free

>>15421112
The Strokes are considered high culture?

>>15421112
NYC, being the city of capital, is the perfect location for mass producing drivel. John Ruskin predicted that art for money would be the new paradigm in the coming centuries. Art has been dead since the Renaissance.

>>15421112
This post is true. It is all middlebrow kitsch

>>15421132
The Renaissance was the epitome of art for money

>>15421112
What about the cheeseburger?

>Vanderbilt Geitelsberg was born in New York
>Rothschild Jacobson was born in New York
>Vincent Gertstein was born in New York to one Italian and one Jewish parent

Ahhhh New York, the smell of Italians and Jews fucking...

>>15421286
Precisely.

i'm not american but i feel boston must be a cool place
seems very academic

>>15420075
>Jean-Michel Basquiat

Name me a bigger industry plant. You can't.

America is where culture goes to die.

>>15421112
I didn’t include any sort of personal valuation of any of these in my post. Why are eurocucks so seething at how little cultural exchange power they actually posses?

>>15422343
Martin Amis.

>>15421363
That and new orleans are probably our most "original" cities imo

>>15423114
I agree but it's sad what New Orleans has become. Its a nig infested shithole.

>>15421044
properly rude display from this dog. 0/10 not having it at all mate get your act together.

>>15417903
The Midwest will become the new epicenter of American culture over the next fifty years. Mark my words.

>>15423353
I believe that. I also believe the next 50 years of American culture will be unimaginably dull. What a coincidence.

>>15417903
Such author, i won't even read him. New York is peak alienation. They don't have much talent, especially today.

>>15421112
>>Jean-Michel Basquiat
>>The Strokes
>>New Yorker
Unironically who?

Maybe a few decades ago, modern new york seems tapped out

>>15418453
> you don't need to be physically near other people to do business with them
Especially during a pandemic

I wish I could live in New York. Just browsing through the events listings in a New Yorker and you're suddenly hit with FOMO. There's too much going on: dances, talks openings, readings, plays, music, theatre. A weekday in New York seems more interesting than a weekend in Toronto. I doubt I'll ever have the opportunity to move there but it seems amazing.

>>15420331
>People, especially right wingers, like to shit on ny and cal
It's funny, I'm a left-wing European who never went to the USA, but I have a weird obsession with L.A. ever since I have heard about Skid Row and spent a lot of time looking at it on Google Maps, and it seems like hell on earth to me, due to city being designed around car traffic, like you can't get drunk and just go home by just walking and taking the subway. Unless you are okay with sharing a bus with crackheads, public transportation isn't a thing there.
Californian people come across as obnoxious twats, there is a earthquake waiting to destroy everything, streets are littered with homeless people sleeping in tents. Pic related is a normal day in Los Angeles.
Then, you look at Bay Area, it's like the homeland of everything I hate in this world: the Silicon Valley, venture capitalists wanking off each others, self-righteous blue-haired liberals and Peter Thiel.
Besides the sunny weather, I don't understand the appeal of California at all, yet for some reason, most of my favorite American musicians live in L.A. I don't get it. If I wanted to live under a similar climate, I would rather move to Italy: it's more relaxed, they have better food and culture, and I wouldn't fear to get shot by a guy far-out on meth.

By comparison, NYC seems much more livable, lively and weird if you can manage to pay the rent. Like London, but with more fun allowed. New Amsterdam was a good name for the city.

Then you look at other cities like Atlanta, Dallas, Austin, Albuquerque, ... and it's just so fucking soulless. It all look the same and it's sad.
New Orleans, Philadelphia, Miami and Seattle are the only I've looked at that have a semblance of soul.
It seems like the further colonialists when to the West, the further the new-born mutt race lost their architectural sense. It might something to do with gold rushes.

Visiting the USA seems like an absolute waste of time, now that you American faggots live in rent free in our heads thanks to the Internet. Your nature is great but if I could take some vacations far away, I would rather visit China.

>And Texas mogs everyone

>>15423865
>t. sam kriss

If I were a successful author I'd probably live in NYC or LA instead of Minneapolis.

>>15423865
this post almost got me until you said miami had soul
pretty good bait otherwise

>>15423134
Yeah anyone glorifying anything in the South hasn't lived here long enough to deal with the niggers and spics.

Cover jacket of A Naked Singularity: “Sergio De La Pava is a writer who does not live in Brooklyn."

Dare I say muy basado?

>>15418472
cheers for shoebarus
how do you like midtown?

>>15418039
expat southerner here, it's true you can enjoy both
>>15417912
familiarity breeds contempt bud
>>15418006
had this experience but knew the rub was in actually living here, once i moved i had no regrets. It's like never having to hope some event or movement comes to your town

>>15419897
seeing this take a lot, probably true to an extent, but you just can't replace the face-face meetings that older, still in power boomers prefer. it's an experience to walk into one of this world-tier firms and see a movie-set type layout. no one is going to routinely rely on zoom meetings when physical meetings are more available

>>15421317
kek

>>15423818
lol this post reeks of onions
>muh fomo muh constant stimulation
lmao

What are some /lit/ cities to live in besides NY?

>>15425131
boston, chicago, for NA
never vibed with the west coast but Seattle and Portland are legit

>>15417903
Fuck you, New York rules and I'm not even American. It's a home to so many talented fucking artists, it's ridiculous.

>>15420870
I want to visit really bad. Seems so peaceful and nice, plus the weather and proximity to nature and Canada

>>15417903
Fuckin reeks of of piss, and in the summer of fermenting hot garbage.

>>15423353
As sea levels rise and engulf the coasts this will inevitably come true.

>>15425131
Montreal, Denver, Cheyenne, San Francisco, Miami.

>>15418472
>>15419906
>>15420622
>>15420686
>>15420788
Essex county here. Fuck NYC. New York urgently needs two separate state legislatures.

>>15420587
Hi, I live in Hollywood.
While it's not as jew-saturated as NYC, they are around.
Some of them are okay, and some of them are just fucking surreal, to the point that you want to ask if they're doing a bit.
Don't say anything though or they will ruin your life

>>15417903
>Being an americuck
I live in a reasonably priced large city in west of france. I can get to paris in 2 hours on a train whenever i want. Ameroids get fucked

>>15426022
I can get to Paris in an hour and a half of my jet ski, and I live in Miami

>>15426022
>cultural capital of the world taken over by niggers and other various subumans
what did you frogs do to fuck up so badly?

I live there, of no desire of my own but because of circumstance. It's not necessarily a long story but it's one I'm not eager to tell. For the most part I find it schizophrenia-inducing, but there are fragments of it that I deeply like. You'll find little spots that feel like you're own which is all the more precious because everybody is tripping over each other. There are throngs of entitled assholes here though. I used to work for a major fashion industry corpo, and watching those types of people mince about in a huff as if they mattered was both amusing and aggravating. Thankfully the bougie types are fleeing in droves from corona, so there's a chance the city will become cool again. Such demographic changes are drastically what it needs for a revitalization. My dream, however, is to fuck off to Whitby Island in Washington State.

>>15425802
I’m the Sullivan county guy you quoted.
I agree. NYC should be its own city-state.

>>15426033

>>15426022
>2 hours away from your wife's boyfriend
based

>>15420587
Come on anon, you can't just say that and then not give us at least a few details.

>>15419859
Coronachan might be a strong promoter of working from home even after the retarded hysteria calms down.
It just plainly revealed that at least a good third of total work time in an advanced economy including all professions doesn't need to be on site. 90% of office drone work can be done remotely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YGUDNowR8A

St Louis Missouri

>>15424153
The Twin Cities are such a cultural wasteland.

>>15427168

>>15417903
New Yorker here. I fucking hate it. There are a lot of cool people if you look for it but same as any city tbqh. I can’t wait to see all these companies doing permanent work from home and completely destroying Manhattan because it’s so fucking overrated and one should rarely go there. Queens is okay but mostly because it’s where actual humans live like blue collar working people, and legit some of the best food on the planet.

Before quarantine I’d tell you the restaurants are cool but 99% of them shouldn’t exist. If you get a few cookbooks you can cook better than 99% of these places.

The Catskills upstate are absolutely based.

>>15426221
I used to work with some Michelin restaurants in the upper east side I know exactly that fashion type you mean but the hospitality equivalent. $32 salads they pretend to like while I make fun of them with the illegal immigrants working 16 hour shifts in the kitchen (who are 100 times more interesting)

>>15418472
How the fuck can you afford midtown

>living anywhere but the west coast

NGMI

>>15423865
As someone born and raised in South Florida I can say Miami has zero soul. It's a city of $50k millionaires.

>>15425054
what does onions mean?

>>15420622
MY EYES ARE GETTIN WEARY...

>>15426395
Haha well what do you want to know? I have 20 something years of experience I cannot share it all in a post. But I’ll lay it out pretty simply with something a cop told me recently: “It’s great [working in a certain neighborhood] because they [the jews] take care of their own problems. If one of them steals a hundred gs from another, they don’t call me, they go to the local rabbi and it gets settled however they settle it. But it sucks because if anyone who isnt Jewish takes one apple from an outdoor fruitstand without paying for it, they call me in and demand to have him locked up on “the principle” of it.”

>>15428210
whenever you type ‘t b h’ with no spaces it changes to ‘onions’

>>15417903
>reading anything written after 1950
>reading anything written by an American
You did this to yourself

>>15425774
>Cheyenne
As in Wyoming? Have you been there anon?

>>15423114
New Orleans is currently getting decimated by NY and LA transplants

NY is just a huge open-air mall, but it’s a bit unfair to blame it on NY. Every American city is rapidly following its lead and will probably transition before the millennial exodus. I’ve traveled to most major cities around the world, and nowhere is safe. There are tattooed people with beanies on making overpriced coffee in B-tier cities in the Caucasus.