/lit/ - Literature

>>15421790
I hope you die in a fire you fucking nigger.

>>15421874
fpbp

>>15421874
chuckled irl

>>15421874
Certainly doesn't seem to be a problem on 4chan.

yaaassss fuck em up sisss, cuckasoids BTFO'd, black power, redistribute wealth NOW

>Someone calls you fragile
>Argue against it
>"Hurr this is why ur fragile"
Anyone taking this pseudo-science seriously should be put up against the wall

>>15421790
Is this type of book generally worth reading? I've read a lot of leftist shit and it hasn't come close to convincing me.

>>15421790
>you're oppressing someone
>you walk away
>they follow you
Really activates the almonds

>>15422022
not being racist isn't a leftist thing

>>15422356
I disagree

>>15422356
People who unironically think "fargility" is anything more than a pseudoscientific Kafka trap are mostly leftists.

If this thread doesn't convince you that there might be something to it then not much will.

>>15422537
I thought racism was power and prejudice? There's therefore no racism on /lit/.

>>15422630
My post was in reference to the construct 'white fragility', not 'racism'. I understand that this may not have been clear to you. I am drawing an inference, on the basis of my interpretation of behavioural evidence in relation to my standing knowledge, that this thread (and most of the discourse I have seen about this book, and Diangelo's work) is a convincing example that 'white fragility' as a construct is viable. The construct actually has remarkable explanatory value, you might just need to do some critical self-reflection in order to access this.

Racism, as a set of systemic phenomena, certainly does have important elements of power and prejudice. Let's not be disingenuous here and pretend that this are uni-dimensional constructs that can easily be addressed as you seem to think you have. 4chan does not exist ontological or epistemological vacuum, and it certainly has the features to sustain power and prejudice, even if it was somehow privileged inasmuch as to be ontologically and/or epistemologically isolated; just because you think that you are de-identified does not make this true.

Silly syllogisms (which is where you nearly got to!) don't really work, and I feel bad for my colleagues who have wasted their lives devoted them. I feel worse for the people who are manipulated into thinking that they can make sense of the world with such weak logic.

>>15422018
define fragility

>>15422828
Not the anon you're asking but in this case it is the psychological pathologization of resistance against aggression.

>>15422794
>logic
>lit
lol@u

>>15421790
>If you don't let me cuck you are fragile
"minorities" projecting their insecurities and fragility is so funny if it wasn't so sad. They think they should be able to run rampant like wild apes with w/e lies and ideologies they want to tout atm but the second they get any push back they call everything oppression and white supremacy.

I'm sure it is shit like everything else in this (((genre)))

>>15422018
>People who you disagree with, even if they have a point if you think about it, should be executed.
Right...nice reddit meme though, lot's of internet points for that!

>>15421874
Great satire.

>>15422852
Interesting, I have never seen that definition used by anybody relevant to the discourse (the intellectual one, at least!). Have you by any chance read the book. It would be awfully pretentious to talk about a book you haven't read.

>>15422537
This is some very clever bait; good job.

>Are you a pedophile? No? Well perhaps the fact that you felt the need to declare that you weren't a pedophile is indicative of something deeper; there might be something to that. Let's unpack this.

>>15422875
>even if they have a point if you think about it
Except they dont. The entire point of fragility is circular and can be applied to any disagreement. If anyone is fragile, it's people who unironically whine about micro-aggressions.
Speaking of reddit, why not go back there?

>>15422859
Yes, believe me I did get a bit of a chuckle. Thanks.
I'll help you comprehend; you're logic is shit, regardless of whether you are on /lit/.

>>15421790
Yeah

>>15422875
Of course I wouldn't waste my time on reading a whole book of propaganda but that's how the concept is used by ideologues. It's not an invention of the authors it's already a political cliché which I think began within the feminist sphere as male fragility. Also there is no proper intellectual discourse on this, just a political one. These are the solipsistic conclusions of one side of the political discourse, a diagnosis, not a stage within the societal conversation.

Fuck niggers

>>15422929
>Also there is no proper intellectual discourse on this, just a political one.
Imagine feeling so called out for fragility that you just claim you’re too smart to discuss it

>>15422484
I like traps

>>15422900
Did my micro-agression upset you? I'm not very sorry, to tell the truth. Here is another truth, people are fragile and nobody that I have personally ever met is excluded from that. 'White fragility' refers to a particular manifestation of fragility. What matters is what you do when you have a moment of self-awareness about your fragility.

>>15422898
That's not a very good analogue, as far as I am concerned. People aren't socialised to commit pedophilia, consciously or unconsciously, everyday. The only salient feature commensurate to me is that, although there are powerful sociological and psychological forces acting on racists and pedophiles, it is evident that their conduct is harmful.

It's the same argument they had against homophobes; everything they did just confirmed their homosexuality according to them

What's wrong with being fragile according to the left? Isn't their identity politics based on fragility?

>>15422936
I'm just giving some weight to the term. In colloquial usage sure, there's intellectual labor involved in pathologizing the motives and behaviours of the enemy. But there's no discourse. The objections of the economic target, which should be the discourse partner, are declared fundamentally non-valid.

>>15422929
Oh, I was right. I hope that you read a book one day. The rest of your post is nearly as embarrassing - thankfully you don't have your name attached to this.

Please consider that you do have your name attached to what you do outside of this channel.

A little bit of fragility is just healthy. Any society worth living in would likely require a great deal of effort to maintain. The same goes for any person whose life is worth living.

>>15422936
>See look how fragile you're being; you've just proved my point again

>>15421790
Of course white people are fragile, especially nowadays when they're an increasingly smaller minority in the world.

It seems like this Robin Diangelo person is doing white people a favor, but they keep sticking their head in the sand and pretend everything is just fine as it is.

>>15422981
What's most embarrassing is that you proved >>15422018 right. Institutionalized "intellectual" discourse was a mistake if you're one of its creations.

>>15422987
Whom are you quoting?

>>15422951
>White fragility' refers to a particular manifestation of fragility
The problem is that people only whine about white fragility. The same people who jack off over 'white fragility' will go rabid as soon as you expand this topic to themselves; Trans fragility is a great one. Trannies are some of the most fragile people alive, and they unironically see misgendering or deadnaming someone as an attack on their existence. Their suicide rates are sky-high. Same with niggers; Any attempt to discuss the myriad of problems in their community (crime, mostly) will be seen as racist dogwhistling. Feminists are a great example of a fragile category of people as well.
But people like the author of this book dont do that. They're inconsistent and hypocritical. If you truly were to universally apply the concept of 'fragility', then you'd see that it's just the psychological idea of a hurt ego, which you have now rendered useless by poisoning it with political hypocrisy. It's a loaded question, like "why do white people dont like it when i yell at them?", when in reality, no one does. But you focus on white people because it benefits you politically.

What's curious is that Diangelo openly admits the pseudo-scientific nature of her work; she says that she's not interested in rationally convincing someone, but hopes that once enough people accept her pseudo-science as true, then people will come to accept it as true due to peer pressure. So no thanks, im not gonna buy into it.

>>15422981
You have to reason if you want to hurt, of course it would be more polite to convice but without reason all I can perceive is impotence. Which is fine, I have no expectations.

>>15422993
Did you see my response to that post, because I already pointed out how silly it was. I'm sorry if you're upset, I deal with you guys in lectures and shit all the time so I know that you might be on the verge of tears right now. I wouldn't try to hurt you if I didn't think that it might make you think for once.

>>15423011
>Did you see my response to that post, because I already pointed out how silly it was. I'm sorry if you're upset, I deal with you guys in lectures and shit all the time so I know that you might be on the verge of tears right now.
This is you.

>>15422995
He was just paraphrasing the sentiment of the post he responded to.

>>15422996
you don't seem to have much difficulty accepting pseudo-science based of peer pressure as far as I can tell.

Yes actually

>>15421790
>White Fragility: Why It's So Hard For White People To Accept Leftist Liberal PC Bullshit About Supposed Racism

>>15422936
But, I'm a 48 year-old black woman...

>>15423016
This is one of the only times you will see this accurately used on this site, so pay attention
>projection

>>15423011
>college professors browse 4chan at 9 in the morning
Not him but nice larp

>>15423027
>One /lit/ post is enough to dismantle the concept of 'fragility' altogether
How embarrassing it must be to actually believe this has any academic worth. I understand that you have tied your self-worth to this pseudo-science, but it's better for you in the long run to part from this fragile part of your ego. Let me help you.

I never knew /lit/ was this cringe.

>>15423033
Post feet.
>>15423039
It's actually pretty late here, and I've finished my teaching for the Semester so I'm having a great time

>>15423011
I'm just feeling kinda vindicated and bored (but that has nothing to do with you). I could understand someone being frustrated in academic situations which amount to little more than you holding their economic and social mobility hostage in order to convince them (and everyone else attending) that they're uniquely evil.

>>15423035
Woops sorry, meant to reply to this>>15423011
In particular this:
>I'm sorry if you're upset, I deal with you guys in lectures and shit all the time so I know that you might be on the verge of tears right now. I wouldn't try to hurt you if I didn't think that it might make you think for once.

>>15423044
It's mostly tourists from reddit. On reddit, people can ban you if you dont accept the concept of "fragility", so they never have to explain it. But here they have to do so, and of course they cannot because it's nonsense. So they start to lash out as their own fragility is uncovered, and you get projection like this: >>15423011

>>15423053
You seem very upset about that post.

>>15423064
You seem very upset that people dismiss 'fragility'

So like, this White fragility, is a cultural thing or a epidermal disorder like skin cancer?
Could you give a black person, white fragility, by racing him by white adoptive parents?

>>15423075
It's socio-historical state they find themselves in. On the one hand, they want to enjoy the benefits of liberal economy and globalism, on the other hand they lament their diminishing power and demographics.

>>15423075
No, black people have black fragility instead. It mostly manifests when you cite crime statistics. It's a very violent, almost animal-like fragility, so beware.

>>15423071
I'm actually more interested in the fact that you are so invested in refuting a construct that is introduced in a a book that you haven't read. You're fueling PhD projects for generations to come.

>>15423075
fragility is when you take issue with generalised statements about your race

>>15423092
Hopefully the coming economic crisis will make it impossible for universities to fund anything connected to cultural studies.

>>15423092
>Fragility acolyte talking about dismissing sources based on whether you agree with them or not
IMAX projector we've got here.

>>15423092
Aids Skrillex is that you?

>>15423099
Cultural departments are very fragile themselves. They're basically self-serving instutions to launder money and pretend to be useful. Whenever they get threatened with defunding, their fragility becomes apparent, as they lash out hard but cannot prove any value they add.

Can we make a hierarchy of fragility? Who are the most fragile people?
I'd say that trannies have to be the number one. Saying one word wrong is enough to get a meltdown.

>>15423093
Turns out a lot equal rights movement was just fragility

>>15423124
Fragility is intersectional

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OP, look at these hilarious responses and tell me that the book isn't worth readying. Why would you not want to read something that can stir people up like this

>>15423124
Why do white people love hierarchies so much?

>>15422996
Blessed

>>15423130
Um, based department?

>>15423131
Im not white bro. Trannies are white people nonsense.

>>15423092
That's not me and I'm not very invested. I've spent 2 minutes writing on this and again, this book does not introduce the device, it has been in use for a long time.

>>15423108
It's become increasingly clear to me that whatever it is that the term fragility manages to accurately describe, it's more or less a sign of health.
>>15423130
Because its sole proponent in the thread has made it clear that the concept amounts to little more than the calculated rhetoric of a cynical discursive power struggle.

>>15423099
Yeah, and then we can also burn those awful books that keep making us cry and wont have sex with us!

>>15423150
>Asian incels accusing others of not getting laid
oh Chang

>>15423131
Jordan Benisson, who isn't considered a hack, told us to!

Is it fragility to defend yourself against what is perceived as an attack?

>>15423130
>Why would you not want to read something that can stir people up like this
First I wasn't stirred up, second I wrote a book called nigger why don't you buy it before all the niggers on twitter chimp out and start a campaign to get Amazon to stop selling them

>>15423148
It's more resistance to adversity. However, current academia cannot deal with that, so they have to pathologize it. It's why feminists whine about "male fragility", and they basically want (or claim to want) men to be blubbering pussies.
If you want to see the dark end of that road, go to /r/menslib on reddit. It's horribly depressing to see what happens when you actually buy into "fragility".

>>15423158
I happen to have some whitehead (that you kunts meme'd me into taking seriously) waiting for me in bed - there shall be nothing celibate going on there!

>>15423168
Didnt someone actually do that? It was called Yurop or something

>>15423150
>>15423150
Wouldn't bother me. The works of Raymond Williams and his descendants have been a disaster for the human race. A humanity existing without them would be incalculably superior to whatever we are now.

Intellectualism is a sham, and I'm glad people's anti-intellectualism is becoming more explicit. My only hope is that art can become a folk practice again. Maybe that we we can have celebrated literature that does something other than mimic James Baldwin's tired shtick .

>>15423167
Yes, because white people can’t handle the bantz

>>15423205
>noi theology floating around the collective unconscious of the African American community is bantz

>mfw ive only heard it used once IRL
>Some asian Canadian guy
>His reddit account is no joke dozens of submissions to /r/fragilewhiteredditor and complaining about white people
>felt a bit uncomfortable being around him (im white), even though he was otherwise a nice guy
Does this make me fragile, or is he the fragile one?

>>15423092
Opened this thread taking the other guy's side but having now read the new yorker review of this book the contents do sound sensible.

But people like >>15422996 have a good point as well. Fact is, a lot of white people in america have been and still are unduly racist to black people, especially when they are richer/doing better than themselves.
And her points about how "white progressives cause the most daily damage to people of color...To the degree that white progressives think we have arrived, we will put our energy into making sure that others see us as having arrived." are good as well.

The problem is that the term white fragility itself is racist in the same way those reprehensible white people were. White people who are genuinely "colour blind" should not be criticised for perpetuating the "racist status quo" or whatever. There are massive problems that are the result of historical racism, but using reverse racism to address it is a stupid solution. There are black people who will unduly benefit from it, and white people who were never racist who will "suffer", relatively speaking.

>She finds that the social costs for a black person in awakening the sleeping dragon of white fragility often prove so high that many black people don’t risk pointing out discrimination when they see it.
Dumb as fuck. Point out genuine discrimination, let the genuinely colour-blind come to your aid, and expose those who don't for potentially having racist motivations.
All these problems come from trying to paint all white people with the same brush, which is bound to fail. Colour-blindness is the goal. Trying to tar these people by grouping them in with the racist whites, in order to demand all white people be not just colour-blind but black-apologising or whatever, is just a horrible strategy all around

Dont ask me how to actually right the wrongs of historical racism though. Hard problem that requires more thought than I'm willing to invest (guess that's white privilege for me) This bitch certainly doesnt have the right idae though

>>15423174
Why are you so afraid of academics 'pathologi(s)ing' you?

When you think about them passing judgement on you - making inferences about your ineptitude - how does that make you feel? Does it feel like they are snickering and jeering at you (we do that, you know - I try not to)? Please, how let me know, how does it make you feel?

>>15423192
Nietzsche already wrote about the limits of such forms of intellectualism, and why intuitive philosophers are infinitely better than those that toil in the academics.
Modern academia ought to be annihilated.

>>15423221
Imagine misspelling a word and then using it to describe an abstraction

>>15423221
Kek!

Thanks Diangelo, for the thesis that keeps on giving.

>>15423045
Nope, only Americans take this topic seriously and our easternmost timezone puts you at 10AM at the latest. Again, nice larp

>>15423223
Caring about a white guy making fun of white guys is double-fragility

>>15423230
Because the academic caste are the gatekeepers of social and economic mobility. Anything done in academia that is even remotely aggressive towards you is an immediate threat to your well being.

People that use the term white fragility are insects. I would squash you without a moment's hesitation. You are an icky bug creature, unpleasant and unwelcome.

>>15423242
It's not much of an abstraction if you engage with African Americans on a daily basis.
>>15423242
Makes sure you post it here when you're done.

>>15423264
That's interesting, because we find that academics are actually enablers of social mobility in my country.

Maybe aggression isn't the right approach in an academic context. I certainly encourage students to express their views, but if they are weak on ontological, epistemological, empirical etc grounds then it is my duty to let them know. Hopefully they wont be too fragile.

>People that use the term white fragility are insects. I would squash you without a moment's hesitation. You are an icky bug creature, unpleasant and unwelcome.

>>15423287
I feel for the unfortunate African Americans who have to engage with you everyday. It is inhumane...

>>15423230
Academics are overpaid slaves that bought into the tenure scam. Any condescension they have is just unmerited resentment.

>look at thread
huh looks like white fragility is a real thing after all.

>>15423291
>but if they are weak on ontological, epistemological, empirical etc grounds
So if a student were to say to you that this is unfalsifiable pseudo-science in the way Popper dismissed Freudianism, then what would you say?

>>15423304
Their fault for being too fragile.

>>15423316
>America is the world

I'm curious, and it is a bit of a poignant thought, are many of you unable to attend tertiary education as a result of socioeconomic conditions and structure of the education system in the US?

>>15423322
Oh, you cheeky bugger! I suspect that you know what you are unleashing.

>>15423291
That's interesting, because we find that academics are actually enablers of social mobility in my country.
the exact powers that make them enablers are the exact powers that make them gatekeepers. You're not only proving yourself to be a shallow propagandist, but someone completely incapable of abstract thought as well. I hope one day the barbarians overrun your campus like they did Rome, but unlike Rome, nothing of value will be lost with the destruction of all your precious theses.
>>15423304
They don't see me as human be default, so they get what they deserve.

>>15423328
well, they would certainly need to say more than that!

>>15423345
I live in the EU and academics here is underpaid as well. Your attempt to deflect your poor choice to socio-economic factors shows that this is indeed a painful choice for you. Fragile, even.

>>15423322
>Fabricate nonsense that indicts an entire race of people
>"Lol no"
>See! White fragility IS real!
Amusing, but tiresome.

>>15423352
Yeah, sure. In a job-mill education system that they don't have to pay for, where they receive expert education and supervision - we are certainly gatekeepers.
>>15423352
How exactly do you have access to this type of knowledge. How many African Americans do you actually have a relationship with?

>>15423322
I think it's just healthy behavior. I can't think of any society worth living in that wouldn't take an impressive amount of labor to maintain. A decent society is fragile before it s anything other than decent.

>>15422022
If you want some good left-wing /lit/, go for Capitalist Realism. I'm not a leftist, but I think that book has substance to it. Now, books like the one OP posted are disgusting.

>>15423356
It was said before already, but we can do it again.
Freud was criticized as pseudo-science by Popper because many of his claims are unfalsifiable.
>Do you want to fuck your mother?
>Yes --> youve got an Oedipus complex
>No --> youre repressing your Oedipis complex
>Fragility is pseudo-science because its claims are unfalsifiable:
>Are you fragile?
>Yes --. You are fragile
>No --> Your denial shows your fragility
It's a very common epistemological error. You'll probably learn about it in Intro to Phil. of Sci.

>>15423374
Not all white people are fragile like you

>>15423374
>>"Lol no"
You are being disingenuous. All the posts here are paragraphs of unbridled resentment. Amusing, but tiresome.

>>15421790
Why do people get worked up about books like this lol, critical race theory is just the philosophical equivalent of a minstrel show.

>>15423389
The book itself is resentment. It proves that fragility is universal, and that zooming in one one aspect while ignoring the others is nonsensical, and itself a sign of fragility.

>>15423124
Muslims, probably. I know of no one else who would murder people for stick figure drawings.

>>15423386
Hey, quick question. Do you think Popper may have not 100% understood Freud?

>>15423429
>attacking popper's understanding of Freud, rather than addressing the gaping circular logic in the fragility part
So do you admit that fragility depends on circular reasoning?

>>15423435
I wouldn't want your house to fall on top of you

>>15423407
Nah, it's the metastasizing state which seeks to replace voluntary interaction with mass violence, in this case by creating and radicalizing minorities.

>>15423443
Anon, i know that it's difficult for you to admit that your beliefs are epistemologically unsound, but part of rising above fragility is to admit this. So tell me, do you believe that fragility depends on circular reasoning?
If you argue no, then i can only conclude that your fragility prevents you from seeing the truth.

>>15423379
>Yeah, sure. In a job-mill education system that they don't have to pay for, where they receive expert education and supervision - we are certainly gatekeepers.
Yes, you select institutionalize the ideologies (in this case emancipatory politics) and make public affirmation of these necessary for social and economic advancement. I have a hunch that some professors go as far as making shit lists and handing them off to far left organizations.
>How exactly do you have access to this type of knowledge. How many African Americans do you actually have a relationship with?
Several. Interact with more daily and see the things they have to say on the internet. I really think in the post Hip Hop world, the only way they've avoided believing in that cult's rhetoric is if they've joined one of the others (Hebrew Israelites, Nuwaubians, etc.)

What other books cause this much /lit/ rage?
>That open borders comic boo
>Open Society and its Enemies
>J. Sakai Settlers
>End of History and the Last Man

>>15423429
>Fragility tard chooses to defend fucking Freud's scientific value of all things
Christ this is even worse than i thought

>>15423455
I actually think it is sad that much more capable people have spent their lives studying both men, and you haven't read either of them, as far as I can tell.

>>15422018

>arguing with n*gger logic

C'mon son, you know better than this

>>15423465
>>Open Society and its Enemies
I thought /lit/ would love this one since it's a guy complaining about books he's never read.

>>15423465
End of History is mostly commie rage, because it takes Hegelian historical analysis and uses it against Marxists to show liberalism as the end of history, which is a unicum. It's like taking someone own knive and stabbing them to death with it.

But EoH is misunderstood mostly, as Fukuyama wasnt as pleased with Liberalism's triumph as most people think, hence the subtitle of "last man". Also it sort of petered out after the 90s optimism ended and 9/11 showed that history was still very much ongoing.

>>15423465
Guns germs and steel

>>15423387
No, you're fragile. BOOM, owned.
>>15423389
Some people are more passionate about defending themselves. Personally, I choose to parry fallacious fuckery with indifference.

>>15423451
No minorities are going to attempt "mass violence", and if they do, well, we all know how well African attempts at warfare have gone. Like I said above, it's a minstrel show. You have minorities performing a pastiche of philosophy, derived from white male thinkers, paid for with white men's money, supported by white men's institutions, for therapeutic purposes for guilty white men.

>>15423470
>Cant refute circular reasoning
It's actually shocking that your fragility impedes your mind so much. Come on anon, i believe you can do better!

Does the book define fragility?

You should drop Schopenhauer anyway.

>>15423491
Um, cringe department? Yeah, I’ll hold.

>>15421790
https://discord.gg/mHm2Da4

>>15423496
It's not explicitly that sort of violence. We're talking about the state spontaneously manufacturing conditions that will lead to its growth and any state action entails at least the threat of violence, that's what it's there for. + Obviously they have their mascots but because of the IQ differential it's mostly whites interested in state growth who are involved in this at an intellectual level and I wish it were a mostly a therapeutic enterprise but in reality we're looking at a broad project which also includes the mass importation of minorities which in the case of some western countries will soon be majorities. So their racial radicalization can hardly be considered either harmless or amusing. There's also no plan here it is just cancerous appetitte, it's not rational, stable or even human.

>>15423580
I mean, obviously mass third-world migration will make life shittier. But it won't actually threaten "white supremacy" in any way, by which I mean that all the people that make decisions of import will still be white. It's just standard high-low v. middle.

>>15423597
It depends on the country. I see that happen with Latin importation but not with black Africans. I don't think that South Africans for example will at some point decelerate their appropriation of white productivity, neither do I think them capable of adjusting their welfare to the changes in demographics. I think this project has to end with the destruction of the minority population. Maybe not at 7% white but what if the collapse happens when the country is at 1% white. I also am sceptical whether muslims will tolerate a non-muslim ruling class but that remains to be seen.

>>15423131
Idk anon, why do losers hate playing the game?

>>15423131
>only white people like hierarchies
bruh have you ever set foot outside your home country

>>15422794
Assertions without argumentation and haughty disdain with contrived formality. Exactly what is to be expected from a proud "progressive".

Could you care to explain where the explanatory value of the concept lies? Are you not simply assigning a pejorative onto people who become frustrated after you have first antagonised them? This is a common strategy that narcissists use to gain a momentary sense of having higher social standing.

>>15422910
I'm really trying to understand what kind of mindset one must have to feel the need for writing like this. I don't know whether I am succeeding or not. Would you like to help me?

>>15423666
Only in hell to cut me down some dem*ns. They had hierarchies there iirc

For somebody who doesn't live in America, isn't white and has only seen blacks in the form of tourists
Can somebody give me an actual definition of white fragility?

>>15422910
>I'll help you comprehend; you're logic is shit,
Damn, trying to look sophisticated with the semicolon and blowing it on the next word.

/lit/ falls for this bait every single time kek

>>15423465
Bell curve

>>15423713
The general tone is of a forced and rather impotent assertion of intellectual superiority. My money is on anon being a female with somewhat low self-esteem who takes refuge in the ideological promises of an existing systemic unfairness in how she is perceived by her peers. Her need to assert being a result of the fear the she might just be judged correctly.

>tfw i made numerous posts in this thread on both sides of the argument
i am the puppetmaster, you dance to my tune

>>15423801
I just like being able to talk to someone who sincerely holds this worldview without the risk of having my life ruined.

>>15423820
That's not really relevant with anonymity. We're arguing against ideas not people.

>>15423842
Not in this thread

>>15422022
There are much better texts on racial dialogue. The whole "white fragility" thing is just mudslinging wrapped in academic language.

I was tempted to give this book to my ex-partner.

>>15423852
>whinging about oppression
Just imagine being able to conceive of social problems based around something other than how comfortable your body is.

>>15422022
It's obviously a propaganda book, it probably doesn't even contain arguments.

The framework of "white fragility" is emotivist. In emotivism, ultimately, all moral norms are just expressions of will-to-power. By DiAngelo's own admission white men are in a position of power, so any reactions against "colored" slights is simply an exercise of their will, isn't it?

>>15422022
I read it and it has some good points, others I disagree with. It's been a while, but that was my takeaway. I think the language of terms like "white fragility" and "white priviledge" are unfortunate lost opportunities because the concepts themselves have some merit, but have these terms that are commonly and easily misunderstood and misused to the point you can't even get to real communication about the phenomena and issues surrounding them.
Books like this are fine if you don't sperg out over certain words like this place encourages, then make up your own mind about their arguments.

>>15423852
White people aren't oppressed, that's why every issue in racial identity politics defaults to being their fault.