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Come on I know this board is full of Nietzschians. Let's talk about the man. The other threads about him right now are just nazi shitposting. Are you guys cool with an idea like the eternal return even when children in Hiroshima get to be nuked over and over and over again and never get to experience a full life? Or any other terrible fates that befall people? I'm guessing yes because Nietzschians only care about themselves.

not the heckin japerinos
not the yung boi slant eyes

>>15411206
>implying whether or not I'm 'cool' with how the universe works changes it

>>15410213
His shitpost-level assaults on most prior philosophical forms are essential to grapple with if you take the topic seriously from any perspective

>>15411206
Eternal return is more moral than the eternal hell implicit in teleological views on the world. Circular time, even when it includes a concept of finite hell like in buddhist and hindu cosmology, is inherently less barbaric and sociopathic than christian telology.

>>15411206
>Are you guys cool with an idea like the eternal return even when children in Hiroshima get to be nuked over and over and over again and never get to experience a full life?
To pick and choose your beliefs based on if they're "cool" is to not even understand what philosophy is. Nietzsche's eternal return is not a dogmatic metaphysical claim that all things recur. It's an urge to live your life as if that were the case. He does not say it IS the case

>>15411206
Hiroshima unfortunately occurred, but still doesn't invalidate the rest of life and experience -- The purpose of the type of affirmation required for the eternal recurrence, is that you stop isolating events and actions, and realise that they are all necessary parts of life.

>>15410213
Not really, but some of his autistic screeching is pretty funny if you’re in the mood for a 19th century shitpost

>>15410213
I unironically think he might be the most important writer of either philosophical or fiction literature of the post-enlightenment age. He's absolutely necessary for anyone who wants to understand why our society is the way it is. That's not to mention the constant life-affirmation to help shake you out of the common nihilistic spell of modernity.

>>15411206
>picks and chooses beliefs based on whether or not they're cool
>not narcissist

>>15410213
Some philosophers like Hegel is better to study them through third parties notes, summaries and analysis. You don't want to indulge in the ramblings of highly idealized minds.

Others like Nietzsche are actually enjoyable.

>>15411901
real shit my guy... real shit

>>15410213
No don't read him don't talk about him just fuck off man

>>15410213
Yes, he's a great philosopher with a cancer fanbase. But he still is a great philosopher and should be read.

>>15411936
Thank you.
I don't know how it's even possible to interpret Nietzsche's theory of eternal return as a metaphysical claim if you've actually read him.
But I suppose that's where the problem lies.

>>15414784
Except he always talks about creating new myths and rejecting old ones so as to reach new moralities.
Ever heard of hermeneutics?
It's the same as God is Dead and all his other stories.

>>15410213
Is there any point in reading him if you are a narcissist, fedora or an angsty teen?

The idea of eternal recurrence is completely pointless because if you don't have your memories the concept of identity through time breaks down. If you don't remember your previous life, living your life infinite times will feel like a new experience each time, and so it's not nightmarish at all.

>>15413826
That "fanbase" is all people that have never read his writings and never will.
>>15413056
This

>>15411206
eternal recurrence isn't meant to be taken literally. It's metaphor for how you should be willing to lead a life you'd want to live for infinity on repeat and that if you shudder at that concept, that means your life is not at its full potential.

>>15410213
he's like the most important thinker of the last 200 years, unfortunately he has been co-opted by angsty teenagers who never seem to get his writings quite right. Leo Strauss said that he himself took every word of Nietzsche for granted in his 20s and he was one of the most formidable figures in 20th century political philosophy. point is - discounting NEET because of his cringy fanbase doesn't cut it as this fanbase for the most part has a very superficial familiarity with his work, there is a horseshoe theory of Nietzsche where you idolize him when you've read nearly nothing of his except maybe some passages from Zarathustra which you didn't understand, as you read more and learn you start denigrating him and calling him "baby's first philosopher" but real enlightenment comes when you embrace NEETs thought once again and realize the full scope of his project.
>>15411206
you've never read Nietzsche

>>15410213
Well Heidegger certainly thought so; but thinking he almost entirely negates Nietzsche's uniqueness to fit into his own system.

He liked to seem as if he was the true inheritor of Nietzsche but I mean it's pretty obvious he just liked the idea of it. Sort of like how Jung often exaggerated Freud's influence to ride on his fame.

>>15411910
based. Nietzsche was an absolute madman and enjoyable to read for this alone

>>15415063
>he's like the most important thinker of the last 200 years
This is what neetchfags actually believe

Read his aphorisms about women and the Chinese. He hits the nail on the head a few times and gives you some interesting stuff to think about when dealing with them

>>15415181
He called the cancer of cultural marxism and materialist rot by like 40 years. Nietzsche is the greatest accelerationist of all time

>>15415181
If not him then who?

>>15410213
who is this guy? you’re kinda pissing me off op

>>15415720
Not him but I would argue Marx just for the disruption caused from interpretation of his thought. Importance not in a "right" sense but in a sense of impact

>>15415188
>Read his aphorisms about women and the Chinese.
Where can i find this? I never knew he wrote about the chinese i wanna read what he said about them.

>>15415981
Marx was just a shoddy Hegelian. Not important.

>>15416117
Hegel was just a shoddy Marxist. not important.

>>15416129
Cope. Not my fault your favorite thinker was just a fanboy of everyone's favorite dark wizard.

That she continues to derive such fulfillment from thirst trapping /lit/cels should tell you a thing or two about how well-read she supposedly is.

>>15410213
he was a great writer

>>15416087
He drops little nuggets here and there. Book 1 of Genealogy of Morals and Book 2 of The Gay Science. Can't remember the exact context but he compares them to women and matriarchy

>>15415063
this progression