/lit/ - Literature

>>15401422
The nat soc were attempting to create the ubermensch, but they were not the ubermensch yet

>>15401422
We're still working on it although it does seem futile.

>>15401422
The übemensch is just a concept. It can't fail.

>>15401434
He was the greatest German since Charlemagne, the sort of person that turns up once in a thousand years. What more could an ubermensch be?

Nietzsche would have found the Nazis pretty pathetic desu.

Especially if he discovered how his dumbass sister became a full out Nazitard and edited all his books to remove the bits where he praises Jews and outright said that "antisemitism will be the death of the German Empire"

>>15401625
What a bitch was N's sister.

>>15401625
Lol I can tell you've never actually read Nietzche pathetic fucking reddit midwit.

He also said:
"The Jews... evolved an idea which stood in direct opposition to natural conditions-one by one they distorted religion, civilization, morality, history and psychology until each became a contradiction of its natural significance.

Also he wanted to wipe out the jews too just not in the nazi way but in the absorb into the mutt European master race way.

>>15401422
cried probably

>>15401422
He would laugh. He hated the Germans.

>>15401422
The Nazis were not Nietzsche's idea of übermensch.

>>15402001
Not the nazis, Hitler specifically.

>>15401422
You're still making posts about him 80 years later. Pretty sure he will be remember by history in 1000 years. What have you achieved?

>>15402016
I'm including him.

>>15402045
Hitler is as close to an Ubermensch as you can get.

>>15401751
>he also wanted to wipe out the jews too
I haven't read all Nietzsche bibliography, exactly, in what book/s does he mention or say that?

>>15402016
>micropenis

>>15402337
Read Beyond Good and Evil fucking midwit nigger.

>>15402016
>pulled the trigger when the hard times came

>>15402396
No just when his time on stage came to an end.

>>15401422
how to prove irrefutably that you have never and will never read a book of nietzsche's

>>15401459
Hitler wasn't a tranny so he didn't take maximal control of his destiny

>>15402434
If you have to turn into a tranny for that you have no more control than if you didn't

>>15402393
Thank you. I'm going to give it a look, nazi faggot.

>>15402461
He could tranny and re-tranny to prove he is in control

>>15402393
Yeah he definitely wanted to wipe them all out
>The Jews, however, are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race at present living in Europe, they know how to succeed even under the worst conditions -From Beyond Good And Evil

>>15401422
I dislike Nazism for religious reasons, but this image makes me weep. And no, I do not weep sorrowfully for France, they are joyful tears for Germany

>>15401422
Nietzsche would have laughed at the Nazis. Nietzsche wanted individuals striving for greatness against everyone else. There is no tribe to fight for. Naziism was a mass movement, a collective with very easy membership - just being German/Germanic. Sound familiar? Yes, the herd instinct, the weak banding together to overcome their individual weakness.
Nietzsche might have admired Hitler himself for manipulating the dumb Germans into fighting for him and becoming a Great Man. But Hitler's followers? Hell no. Nietzsche would never praise any follower, except for someone like Ernst Jünger, who only cared about his warrior comrades, the ones he personally fought with, and was only a Nazi - in fact only a German in general - when it was convenient for him and aligned with his own individual goals.

>>15402103
No, that'd be Jesus, Goethe and Napoleon. All according to Nietzsche.

>>15402542
Why did he like Goethe so much?

>>15402542
If you’d invite Jesus, Goethe, Napoleon, and Hitler for tea together, what would you think would happen?

>>15402424
what a pussy, he should have faced his trail with pride and dignity like evola.

>>15401422
if you'd actually read Nietzsche you'd know that he thinks achieving the ubermensch might not even be possible so he would not be surprised at all. He never explicitly says that it's going to happen, just a goal that we should set for ourselves even if we never get there

>>15402567
Goethe and Hitler would chat in German while Jesus and Napoleon sat there awkwardly.

>>15402602
If you'd actually read Nietzsche you'd know that the Ubermensch concept is Nietzsche's dumbest and contradicts most of his other ideas. You can't both affirm life (a central concept of Nietzsche's) and want to overcome it. His entire condemnation of Christianity rests, more than anything else, on its denial of life, its denigration of man and earth. He went full retard to then go on and invent a life-denying concept of his own.

>>15402582
>After World War II, Evola continued his work in esotericism. He wrote a number of books and articles on sex magic and various other esoteric studies, including The Yoga of Power: Tantra, Shakti, and the Secret Way (1949), Eros and the Mysteries of Love: The Metaphysics of Sex (1958), and Meditations on the Peaks: Mountain Climbing as Metaphor for the Spiritual Quest (1974).
lel

>>15402509
You literally didn't read the book you fucking retard. In the same section Nietzsche writes that what the Jews want is to be absorbed and assimilated by Europe. He declares that their wish should be noted and accommodated and even recommends “to expel the anti-Semitic screamers from the country” because they are opposed to this endeavor. (Nietzsche was obviously not concerned with freedom of speech.) His assimilation plan does not consist of granting rights to all the Jews as individual citizens. The assimilation should be done by selection, following the model of the English nobility. Only the noble specimens among the Jews should be allowed admittance into the new European master race. Nietzsche envisions “the cultivation of a new caste that will rule Europe.” For that end, the German “hereditary art of commanding and obeying” can be enriched by the Jewish “genius of money and patience.” Again, Nietzsche and the National Socialists are in total agreement about the subordination of the individual to a biological breeding plan. All the National Socialists had to say was that they could not find any good specimens among the Jews.

>>15402767
>Only the noble specimens among the Jews should be allowed admittance into the new European master race. Nietzsche envisions “the cultivation of a new caste that will rule Europe.” For that end, the German “hereditary art of commanding and obeying” can be enriched by the Jewish “genius of money and patience
I confess i haven't read Nietsche. I'll will read it one day. But this is retarded. There is no European master race. It's dead, unless some supermassive genocide happens. About commanding and obeying, it's retarded, people want to obey less, not more. About money, it's retarded, since in a hundred years, money probably won't exist anymore. I'll read him one day, but only to be sure that he is retarded, and don't expect to learn much from him. Sometime you have to read someone, just to be sure that he is bad.

>>15401422
probably something like: NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN HORSERINO U CANT WHIP HIM NOOOOOO

>>15403344
At least you confessed

>>15402767
He anon do you know which Nietzsche I should read? Non biased no Jewed sources

>>15401422
The real Ubermensch succeeded though

>>15403344
>There is no European master race. It's dead, unless some supermassive genocide happens.
wouldnt you love that to be true

>>15403487
Marx and Hegel before.

>>15403503
What, the master race? A master race doens't make sense if wage labor isn't abolish. If not, what's the point of being part of the master race, if you get up each morning to get wage cucked.
Sure each race should have the right to be master in it's land, but that's far future fantasy, and the possibility of race dissolution is far more likely. Not even talking about evil jews, but how many racialists are breeding with asian wifes, quite a lot.

>>15402642
Why can't you both affirm (an obstacle) and want to overcome it? How is embracing the challenge a denial of life?

>>15402767
Little baby thinks that Nietzsche was praising the English and talks of racial rather than moral struggle.
O i am laffin

>>15401422
The ubermensch is alive and well and currently president.

>>15402557
He was the only one who elevated the German language.

>>15403932
the ubergoy.

>>15403932
Putrid, the lot of them.

>>15402469
But then that would mean he exited and reentered his natural state only to conform to your narrow definition of self-control meaning that, by avoiding this, he actually proved that you are entirely unable to control him.

>>15402642
the overman is still a living person retard; it's not an afterlife

>>15401422
>Nazis
>Uber mensch
They were all pretty unter

>>15401751
N wrote a whole denouncing proto-nazism, so no, I’m certain by alltextual evidence that he would have found Nazism either appalling or retarded or both

>>15403932

this isn't an important photo bro, they're just ordering mcdonalds and she's leaning in because she couldn't hear his order

Cringe is thinking the nazis were Ubermensch, Based is realizing the Jewish Elite Hitler was bemoaning were the actual Ubermensch.

>>15404047
this table is a rabbit hole anon

>>15401625
>>Especially if he discovered how his dumbass sister became a full out Nazitard and edited all his books to remove the bits where he praises Jews and outright said that "antisemitism will be the death of the German Empire"
Stop promoting liberal-progressive orthodoxy's historical revisionism / myths / malicious lies, you cunt.

>>15403344
>people want to obey less, not more
You mean they want mass media to give them the impression of that while promoting more restrictions and meaningless/inconsistent authoritarian displays which they happily praise and scream down anyone who even considers questioning the line presented. What a joke.

Jewish genius of money is useful in any context. It doesn't matter if one currency or another ceases to be. It's amassing of resources and power in general.

>>15404101
Unlike the Nazi fags in this thread, I've actually read Nietzsche, straight from the source, instead of relying of second-hand accounts

Just from pulling my Penguin Classics edition of BG&E off the shelf and going to pages from memory:

182: The Jews are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest and purest race at present living in Europe; they know how to prevail even under the worst conditions (better even than under favourable ones), by means of virtues which one [i.e. the anti-semites that N has been ridiculing in this chapter] would like to stamp as vices...

... That the Jews could, if they wanted - or if they were compelled, as the anti-semites seem to want - even now predominate, indeed quite literally rule over Europe; that they are not planning and working towards that is equally certain.

You can moan its Wikipedia, but you can follow the sources to numerous letters and parts of N's writings where he literally says that antisemites are fucking retards

ITT: nazifags in denial that their hero would have outright called them pathetic

>>15404257
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_Friedrich_Nietzsche#Nietzsche's_criticism_of_anti-Semitism_and_nationalism

>>15403535
The internet isn't real life retard. Just because the white male asian female meme is pushed on /pol/ and shit does not represent reality.

>>15404259
Literally disowned his dumbass Nazi sister and her husband for being antisemites lel

>>15401422
>the ubermensch failed?
>>THE UBERMENSCH IS MUH DADDY GIANT NATIONAL ABSTRACT INHUMAN COLD AUTHORITY COCK

I fucking hate you pseudo-Nietzscheans. Your ashes won't even be good fertilizer.

>>15404324
Dumbass neocon, can't you at least be swept up in the romance of national pride for a moment? It is one of the greatest feelings in life to feel a sense of achievement with your compatriots. Those romantic feelings are what life is about.

>>15404342
>relying on the opium of nationalistic sentimentality instead of cultivating your own individual potential to affect the word around you

Nietzsche would find this disgusting

How would Nietzche react if he knew that neonazis would attempt to claim his philosophy as their own without realizing he was an outspoken critic of antisemitism and nationalism, which he takes pains to stress in almost all his writing?

>>15404408

>>15404342
Clearly you know nothing of what you preach.

Dunning-Kruger

back to the bowels of whatever society birthed you from its refuse.

>>15401459
>5' 9"
>Ubermensch

lol, nah. Faggot.

>>15402582
>>>Implying the Soviets wouldn't have gutted him alive once they got their hands on him

>>15402621
Napoleon probably spoke german

ANY kind of ideology is incompatible with Nietzsche. But natsoc in undeniably the closest you can get.

>>15401459
The ubermenach isn't a person, it's a new species as Nietzsche explained many times

>>15401422
The ubermensch can't work because you have inherent values because of your personality/way you grew up

Real ubermensch are able to negotiate the value systems they want to attain and the ones that are inherent to his nature

>>15401459
>hitler
>german

>>15402396
>Fled to South America

Even worse, anon

>>15403932
If he were Ubermensch he would have brutally raped and murdered Angela Merkel by now, but instead he is continuing to be a puppet of the globalists.

>>15401459
>>15401434
The ubermensch simply means to forge one's own moral path in a world of decaying morality. Hitler certainly did that--but Nietzche didn't say anything about the ubermensch actually triumphing, just that they would change the world irrevocably and leave a mark upon its moral character.

Again, if nothing else, Hitler basically changed the moral landscape of the entire planet through his actions. He WAS the superman--it just didn't turn out the way he probably expected.

>>15404047
This chart is amazing

>nationalism
>anti-Semitism and racism
>Confusing strength for aesthetics and propaganda
>Ideology based entirely on the destruction of the self, disintegration of individual will to state machine
>Ubermensch
This board is so fucking embarrassing sometimes

>>15401459
>Charlemagne
>German
...
>Julius Caesar
> Italian

>>15404342
Your ashes will be poor fertilizer. Please die in some better way than what you've got going now.

>>15404080
how so

>>15401422
pic

>>15401422
GO BACK TO /POL/ YOU STUPID FUCKUNG MURDOCH MURDOCH WATCHER I FUCKING SWEAR EVERYTHIME THEY MAKE A NEW EPISODE YOU PUBESCANT FAGS SHOW UP AND WONTS STOP TALKIN ABOUT WHATEVA FUCKEN TOPIC THE THOUGTH TO MAK AN' EPISODE ON YOU FUCKING NERD

See
>https://www.murdochmurdoch.net/video/?play=Waiting%20for%20the%20Superman

>>15401422
I'm going to shoot my will to life all over the sofa.

>>15406593
this anon gets it but we’re all being ironic and baiting of course

>>15408037
Ah yes... the ironic nazism.

>>15407928
someone post the webm

>>15408103
There's a webm?

>>15406593
>>Ideology based entirely on the destruction of the self, disintegration of individual will to state machine
>>Ideology based entirely on the destruction of the self, disintegration of individual will to state machine
Based. When will those early twenty incels understand?

>>15402582
>implying he didn't escape the bunker
bluepilled.

>>15402767
I have read it. I want you to cite the passage when he indicates that there should be jewish assimilation along the lines of English nobility. You're full of shit.

>>15402582
Evola denied being a fascist to escape the noose.

>>15403932
Strange, I don't remember Zarathustra saying command over one's destiny meant servility to the jews.
Maybe that's in the Rosenblatt translation.

>>15402462
Oh animal abuse that's so cute!

>>15407894
Clearly you watch Murdoch Murdoch too though if you were able to gauge that this thread is related to the theme of the latest episode.

>>15408946
Neetch literally thought jews were the master race you dipshit nazi retard

>>15404324
Dilate.

>>15404047
>>15404080
>>15406567
>this is the level of historicity that /his/ operates on
bruh moment

>>15409027
Really? Perhaps you could post the relevant passage.

>>15404047
I'm a national socialist and this is hilarious, if wrong on a couple of points.

>>15409019
I have to return some video tapes.

>>15409192
There isn't one because he's lying through his teeth. Nietzsche hated anti-semites and saw a number of praise worthy aspects in jews but he certainly wasn't a philo-semite either.

>>15406625
Yes

>>15409581
>The Jews, however, are beyond all doubt the strongest, toughest, and purest race at present living in Europe
nope no philosemitism there

>>15408927
>Meanwhile, they rather wish and desire, even somewhat importunely, to be insorbed and absorbed by Europe, they long to be finally settled, authorized, and respected somewhere, and wish to put an end to the nomadic life, to the "wandering Jew",--and one should certainly take account of this impulse and tendency, and MAKE ADVANCES to it (it possibly betokens a mitigation of the Jewish instincts) for which purpose it would perhaps be useful and fair to banish the anti-Semitic bawlers out of the country. One should make advances with all prudence, and with selection, pretty much as the English nobility do
BGE chapter 8
dummy dum dum

>>15408950
>NOOOOOOOO THE CATTERINO NO!!!!!!!!!!

>>15409651
It's an observation. If I said that basketball players are the tallest athletes it doesn't mean I love basketball.

>>15409687
So he didn't hate Jews, was open to them being absorbed, and called anti-semitic people bawlers, but he wanted to let them in selectively so as not to have the riffraff?
How does this indicate him wanting to exterminate the Jews?
>inb4 but the nazis said they couldn't find any good Jews!
Well no shit they would say that.

>>15409436
check em

>>15401422

Nietzsche's ubermensch concept isn't the one proposed by the nazis.

>>15406593
Triumph of the will

"This was the most fatal form of insanity that has ever yet existed on earth:-- when these lying abortions of bigotry began laying claim to the words "God," "last judgement," "truth," "love," "wisdom," "Holy Spirit," and thereby distinguishing themselves from the rest of the world. ... The whole fatality was made possible by the fact that a similar form of megalomania was already in existence, the Jewish form."
Clearly, he did not like the Jews.

>>15410273
He hated the religious, not Jews.

>>15410305
>When Jews step forward as the personification of innocence, the danger must be great.
>The Jewish instinct of a chosen people ... this is a profound sign of spiritual depravity
>The Jews made the attempt to prevail, after two of their castes--the warrior and the agricultural castes, had disappeared. In this sense they are a castrated people
>An appalling stew of Greek philosophy and Judaism

>>15410305
Had nice things to say about Jesus

>>15410316
>when Jews practice Judaism they are a shit
Yes, that's what I said.
>>15410327
But not about his religion. It's more a begrudging respect.

>>15410352
That's not what he said. 1 and 3 are not related to Judaism, just jews, and Nietzsche did not at any point differentiate between jews and Judaism

>>15409836
>I want you to cite the passage when he indicates that there should be jewish assimilation along the lines of English nobility. You're full of shit.
that’s what I’m responding to retard. consider yourself btfo

>>15410364
Here's the thing: Neetzsche fucking hates everyone.
If a Jew didn't fit the stereotypical Jew that mustache man was talking about, and embodied The Great Mustache's values, he wouldn't have a problem with them. He didn't hate Jews necessarily, he just hates everyone who doesn't live up to his ideal, and a stereotypical Jew wouldn't. Where the nazis differ here is in the way that they didn't give a shit about what the man himself was like, they were Juden and were to be gassed.

>>15410376
That was my first post in that reply chain. You didn't 'btfo' the anon you were arguing with, sorry to burst your little imaginary victory bubble.
What's your point then?

>>15410414
it was my first post too; my point was to btfo the other anon (who totally wasn’t you ;-) ) and now that I have done so you may consider the conversation finished

>>15410352
>But not about his religion
>Jesus is not Christianity.
Quite the meme. Everything else is tradition.

>>15410395
>Where the nazis differ here is in the way that they didn't give a shit about what the man himself was like, they were Juden and were to be gassed.

Nice meme. Now come back down to reality where there was neither a genocide agenda nor persecution against every jew, despite what they try to force you to believe.

>>15410426
I wasn't the other anon. I have no reason to lie.
So, let me get this straight, you got into the middle of an argument without a point? I get it, the anon said he hadn't seen the passage, so you were throwing that in, but you didn't think to go further into the chain and get some context?

>>15410445
you did too you braindead fuck
>allegedly a 5th anon

>>15410442
Nietzsche talks a great deal about how much he hates Christianity.

>>15410445
don’t make me btfo you for the “first” time in this thread

>>15410451
>inb4 it's photoshopped
yeah, ok

>>15410443
proof?

>>15410463
thanks for proving my point retard

>>15410451
>allegedly a 5th anon
>>15410471
Ok, so who do you think I am? What previous post were you implying I made with the
>allegedly a 5th anon
remark? I still don't know what your point is.

>>15410451
So in this you're implying I got in the middle of the argument without a point? No, I didn't. This is where I'm failing to understand you, because you're wrong. I did have a point.

>>15410395
Didn't the nazis offer some jews a "honorary aryan" title?

>>15410352
Jews are inseparable from their religion. Especially in Nietzsche's day when to my knowledge there was no such thing as a "secular Jewish identity".

>>15410568
>a small number of Jews were given the rights of Aryan citizens in Croatia by the pro-Nazi Utasha regime
That and very very few people who were chummy with very very high ranking officials. They didn't exactly bother to find them, they just said a few of their buddies were okay.
>>15410607
Jewish secularism goes back to the early-mid 1800s, and probably further back, just less public as it wouldn't be wise to claim to be secular at the time.

>>15410607
Also, it's somewhat irrelevant. Since by the 1930s there would've been quite a few, and we're applying Nietzschean ideals to Hitler's actions in the 30s and 40s.

>>15401422
A meth-addicted vegan who used the Jews as a scapegoat to create a failed empire through a twisted ideology frankensteined from dead cultures is not the Ubermensch. Plus he failed to learn from Bonaparte.

>>15410682
>Jewish secularism goes back to the early-mid 1800s, and probably further back
What is your source? Certainly during the 19th century you have more Jews converting to Christianity but to my knowledge there wasn't a trend of publicly atheist Jews who still had a strong ethnic identity like today. You could maybe argue for Spinoza but he's literally just one person.

>>15402767
A masterclass of misinterpretation, well done.

>>15410929
The transformation of a religious community into a sect of revolutionary atheists seems like one of the most interesting topics I've never been taught about. Does anyone have a non-nazi book recommendation?

>>15410929
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskalah

>>15404430
>Dunning-Kruger
Anyone who uses cringe phrases like this to 'own someone epic style' is the real pseud.
Same goes for shit like "Ockham's razor".

>>15410979
I thought the Haskalah was mainly a movement for integration into the general European society. Besides Jews, by definition, are an ethnoreligious group. Even if you don't believe in Yaweh or go to the synagogue every week, your identity is still tied into the history of the bible, ancient Israel, and the rise of rabbinic Judaism.

>>15406593
so a nation of ubermensch would live in anarchy?

>>15411180
It varied from the more conservative to the more extreme.
>a movement for integration into the general European society
Which is exactly what Nietzsche said would be good and that the anti-semitic bawlers should be thrown out.
So since Nietzsche has European ancestry his identity is tied to The Bible? What kind of logic is this?

>>15411221
>So since Nietzsche has European ancestry his identity is tied to The Bible?
His identity as a European is tied to the role of Christianity within European history and culture yes. An ethnic identity includes the history and culture that that ethnic group has created and is part of. How can you claim to be a Jew and also claim to have absolutely no ties to the history or culture of the Jewish people?

>>15411535
Hmm, these goal-posts aren't where they were before. I wonder what happened? A Jew probably moved them.
So now nobody is allowed to have any identity that isn't from their ancient cultural ties? So if someone has lived in a secular Jewish family in Europe for the past 200 years they're still the same as a practicing Jew from Israel?
If Nietzsche can reject his Christianity, which is stemmed from Judaism, then can a Jew not reject Judaism? So, even European Jews, that grew up in Europe, that have lineage going back countless generations in Europe, they can't escape Judaism? Even if they happen to share some common ancestry with Nietzsche going back a few generations? So everyone's African? So people with Mesopotamian roots, which is basically all of us, are Mesopotamians? So anyone who grew up anywhere remotely influenced by Jewish culture is Jewish? Are we all Jews now? Everywhere has been influenced by Jewish culture.
This is so ridiculous that you're grasping at straws that aren't even there anymore.
>How can you claim to be a Jew and also claim to have absolutely no ties to the history or culture of the Jewish people?
It's not about claiming not to have any ties to the history or culture. You can still be Jewish, say you're a Jew, and not be a stereotype, or a practitioner of Judaism. 3rd or 4th gen Korean/Jap/Chinese immigrants in America or Australia etc. have next to no ties to their homeland but if asked they still usually say Korean/Jap/Chinese, they just aren't dominated by the culture of the homeland.
>b-but muh fuggin ubermenschen hitler-kun joo bad mustache man wuz nahtzee
Anti-semitic bawlers need to leave and leave mustache man out of their nonsense.

>>15406593
>buzzword
>buzzword, buzzword
>individualism
So America is the übermensch?

>>15410976
E. Michael Jones

>>15401625
found the redditer

>>15411836
found the newfag

>>15411784
one of the more impressive series of strawmen ever constructed, i really like how you built them up to be progressively more retarded with each sentence

>>15411890
It doesn't matter, you've muddied the water and taken us to a point of absurdity where the only response can be one that is absurd.
What is the point of this discussion? Whether or not Nietzsche would approve of Hitler's actions/ideologies. It's clear that the answer is no.
>Anti-semitic bawlers
like you, need to shut up and fuck off back to /pol/ or stormfront where the idiots who indoctrinated you even bigger idiots came from.

>>15401422
I am the ubermensch and I did not fail, my objective was just so strange that nobody can tell whether or not I succeeded

>>15411784
Your disgusting attempt at an argument is not amusing or coherent and you're intentionally ignoring the basic concepts of ethnic identity. Now here is the basic definition of ethnicity from Oxford:
>The fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition.
Do you see those words "national or cultural tradition"? They mean that you belong to an identity with a past and common origin. This is why people tend to identify with and be proud of the achievements of their own ethnic group, because they and those achievements both stem from that same tradition. What is the oldest most basic tradition of the Jews as a people? That they worship their god Yaweh and come from the land of Israel. Even if an someone who identifies as a Jew may not believe in Yaweh or live in Israel, he still by necessity of the fact that he identifies as a Jew, identifies himself with that history and culture. Take Woody Allen and Larry David as two prominent examples. They're both atheist Jews but it's clear from their work that they still have a strong attachment to their Jewish background.
>Even if they happen to share some common ancestry with Nietzsche going back a few generations?
Yes, even if European Jews have some European ancestry, they IDENTIFY with their Israelite ancestry, tradition, and culture which is what you seem to not get.
>they just aren't dominated by the culture of the homeland.
But again, they still tend to identify with the history and culture of that nation even if they don't partake in it directly.
>b-but muh fuggin ubermenschen hitler-kun joo bad mustache man wuz nahtzee
Oh just fuck off already. That's not at all what I'm trying to say you wormy cretin.

>>15412020
You don't have to identify with the culture even if you identify as a Jew. Half the people who are 2nd-xth gen of a different nation still say Jew, Korean, etc. but they don't identify with any of the history or culture.
>Oh just fuck off already. That's not at all what I'm trying to say you wormy cretin.
Alright, before we go any further; are you just some asshole who hopped into this discussion 3/4ths of the way through to nitpick a tiny detail that had little to do with the main point just for the sake of turning that minor detail into the main argument and arguing that minor detail while ignoring the central focus of the argument and the entire point of the argument in the first place?

>>15412134
>they don't identify with any of the history or culture.
Yes they do, otherwise they wouldn't identify themselves as such.
>Alright, before we go any further; are you just some asshole who hopped into this discussion 3/4ths of the way through to nitpick a tiny detail that had little to do with the main point just for the sake of turning that minor detail into the main argument and arguing that minor detail while ignoring the central focus of the argument and the entire point of the argument in the first place?
I don't give a shit what the Nazis thought of Nietzsche.

>>15412182
>Yes they do, otherwise they wouldn't identify themselves as such.
No, they don't. Talk to someone once in a while.
>I don't give a shit what the Nazis thought of Nietzsche.
This is about what Nietzsche would've thought of the Nazis.
So I was right, you are just some asshole looking to nitpick a minor point. Goodbye.

>>15412210
>Talk to someone once in a while.
I do. Maybe you should try it some time.

>So I was right, you are just some asshole looking to nitpick a minor point. Goodbye.
Nice way to pussy out of the argument you little bitch.

>>15405066
>thinking that an ubermensch would allow his mortal form to constrain him
cringe

>>15411938
>constructs elaborate bad faith straw man of anyone who disagrees with him (oy vey you’re an antsemite)
>waaaah why is everyone else making the discussion absurd you’re muddying the waters waaaah
lol retard

>>15401625
This

>>15404047
Dafuq?? Nazi Germany is a LARP, how can they let this guy in?? Goebbels looks like an incel who shouldn't breed

>>15405666
Austrians are Germans. Dipshit.

>>15406593
Huh...That kind of reminds me of something..

>>15402434
Transsexualism kills your potential for offspring.

The übemensch didn't fail, the world failed him.

>>15410103
>Yes your will is truly set free and realized when you completely dissolve yourself into prefab categories and the "Will" of the nation (really just the state's alliance with private industry)

>>15411213
Probably. It's hard to imagine any organization of ubermensch that wouldn't end in some sort of Athenian democracy, or some totally decentralized state

>>15413707
Yeah the USSR was bad too. But you're pretty damn stupid to prefer Nazism to it.