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>Zarathustra's father, Pourušaspa was a herdsman. According to tradition, he and his wife, Dugdowa, wished to have children. To do so, they obtained milk from virgin cows, mixed it with twigs from a haoma plant and drank it. They then attempted to have sex but were prevented by demons three times.

Is there any author or philosopher in this eccentric world that can realistically compete with this man?

>> No.15388731
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>>15388700
Zoroaster's first vision was that he and his companions are walking on the journey and they come to a large body of water with no boat. He prays to the god of justice, who makes it possible for them to cross over with just getting the soles of their feet wet.

>> No.15388930

>>15388700
Bump. Wow you guys don't read huh

>> No.15389739

What are some readings on Zarathustra I can check out? I've read Thus Spoke Zarathustra and I want to know what Nietzsche saw in this guy. The character seems interesting if what I've read about him is true (that he was one of the first to acknowledge the good/evil/positive/negative aspects of the world.

>> No.15389886

>>15389739
Nietzsche's Zarathustra has nothing to do whatsoever with the founder of Zoroastrianism. It was an unfortunate case of Orientalism by (otherwise based) Nietzsche, not unlike Mozart's librettist calling the Grand Master of the Masonic Lodge Sarastro (clearly inspired by Zoroaster, another spelling of Zarathustra) in his opera The Magic Flute. Zarathustra/Zoroaster has been a stock "Eastern sage" name in Europe since at least the Roman times. The choice in the case of Nietzsche could not have been worse since Zarathustra preached Good and Evil, the opposite of Nietzsche's Superman.
PS: there has been an attempt to retcon Nietzsche's unfortunate name choice. Since Zarathustra had been the first to preach good and evil, therefore -- wait and hear it -- he has also been the first to overcome it... But that is weak and actually cringe. Obviously a retcon.

>> No.15389959

>>15389886

Thanks for that tidbit about Mozart.

Was Zarathustras teachings really the first record we have of the good/evil dichotomy? Any recommended literature on this?

>> No.15389999

>>15389959
>Was Zarathustras teachings really the first record we have of the good/evil dichotomy?
I think so, but this is the kind of thing that will always be disputed. The meaning of good and evil as well as the dates of the Avestas can be indefinitely debated and made to suit anybody's agenda. Christians are definitely salty about the question of Zoroastrian influence in Judaism and their supposedly unique religion, so they cannot allow some things to be true.
>Any recommended literature on this?
I'm not up to date with Zoroastrian scholarship, but I know that James Darmesteter was the first scholar to study it seriously and save it from the hands of Occultists and Theosophists.

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>>15389739
from another anon

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>>15388700
I read Hymns by West. then i started on pic rel at random. It seemed like in the hymns wine was portrayed as evil, the cow-stealers being usually drunk, and likewise haoma as evil. iirc the most despicable of all. yet in pic rel wine is good and haoma is stated, at times, as being good.

should i booze and snort or not?

>> No.15391667

>>15389886
>I don't understand nietzcshe so he's wrong
Classic