/lit/ - Literature

>>15383787

Your mom insisted upon my dick last night

Agreed.

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>>15383787
I fucking hated reading this book. Seemed sort of just something for pseudo intellectuals to torture themselves with to me.
The vivid discriptions of Dublin were impressive and I have to admit the parallels between Homer and other myths were clever.

>>15383803
And yet you still finished all 900+ pages

>>15383806
Nope

>>15383787
I plan to reread this with an annotated version. It is very confusing and bizarrely written.

>>15383813
Oh, so you haven't actually read it

>>15383803
That because you read for reddit credits and appearances.

>>15383823
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>>15383800
Definitely the funniest joke on Family Guy desu. I love dialogue that feels real like that, with people starting and stopping and talking over each other and different trains of thought going on simultaneously.

>>15383823
pretty much the exact opposite of what you'd infer from his post, projection.

>you don't have the right to criticize it until you've read all 900 pages of this garbage

At least the last chapter as good

>>15383848
Stopped reading at "don't", I'm sure there was nothing important after

>>15383848
How can you criticize a writing if you haven't read it?
You would just be speaking out of your ass, aka a reddit credit pseud.

>>15383843
If you don't read for reddit credits what made you make this post of so little value? It's not even a criticism. It's just a boiler plate meme.

>>15383787
That’s the second time I’ve seen the phrase posted in 5 minutes, fag

Reminder that Jung said James and Lucia Joyce were schizophrenic and he found relief by the fact that Ulysses can as easily be read backwards as forwards.

>Ulysses is a book which pours along for seven hundred and thirty-five pages, a stream of time of seven hundred and thirty-five days which all consist in one single and senseless every day of Everyman, the completely irrelevant 16th day of June 1904, in Dublin — a day on which, in all truth, nothing happens. The stream beings in the void and ends in the void. Is all of this perhaps one single, immensely long and excessively complicated Strindbergian pronouncement upon the essence of human life, and one which, to the reader’s dismay, is never finished? Perhaps it does touch upon the essence of life; but quite certainly it touches upon life’s ten thousand surfaces and their hundred thousand color gradations. As far as my glance reaches, there are in those seven hundred and thirty-five pages no obvious repetitions and not a single hallowed island where the long-suffering reader may come to rest. There is not a single place where he can seat himself, drunk with memories, and from which he can happily consider the stretch of the road he has covered, be it one hundred pages or even less… But no! The pitiless and uninterrupted stream rolls by, and its velocity or precipitation grows in the last forty pages till it sweeps away even the marks of punctuation. It thus gives cruelest expressions to that emptiness which is both breath taking and stifling, which is under such tension, or is so filled to bursting, as to grow unbearable. This thoroughly hopeless emptiness is the dominant note of the whole book. It not only begins and ends in nothingness, but it consists of nothing but nothingness. It is all infernally nugatory.

>”Finnegans Wake?”
>Dr. Jung replied to my query. “I read parts of it in periodicals but it was like getting lost in a wood. Oh no, I could not manage it. Ulysses yes, but still I do not understand why so many people read it, so many editions have been published.”’

>>15383881
Where did you see it posted other than in this thread?

>>15383883
It's a shame that Jung didn't "get" Finnegans Wake. There is much overlap in his ideas and the dreamscape of the Wake.
I'm sure if he had spent more time with it he would've found immense value in it.

>>15383787
Literally a shitpost mocking the whole modernism "intelligence" metamorphosis to fancy form with no sense
No idea why would anyone put it into anywhere but postmodern book

>>15383883
>When Joyce approached the psychologist professionally in 1934, Jung had put the article and his apology for it out of his mind, but Joyce would hardly have done so.
>“Certainly he seemed very restrained,” Dr. Jung said when I mentioned this.
>“Yes, now I remember it, during the hour or so while we talked of his daughter, it was impossible not to feel his resistances.
>The interview was correspondingly uneventful and futile. His daughter, on the contrary, was far more lively.
She was very attractive, charming—a good mind."

You just KNOW.

>>15383915
How bout some of that patient-doctor confidentiality ey?

>>15383787
Joyce, James: I Dislike him. He is second-rate, ephemeral, puffed-up. Awful. A nonentity, means absolutely nothing to me.

>>15383814
I want to read this when I finish the book I’m currently reading. What would you recommend to prepare? I’ve read most of Dubliners and I ordered the Fagels Homer box set

>>15384300
Ackshually
Joyce, James. Great. A favorite between the ages of 20 and 40, and thereafter. Let people compare me to Joyce by all means, but my English is patball to Joyce's champion game. A genius.
Ulysses. A divine work of art. Greatest masterpiece of 20th century prose. Towers above the rest of Joyce's writing. Noble originality, unique lucidity of thought and style. Molly's monologue is the weakest chapter in the book. Love it for its lucidity and precision.

>>15384594
http://www.ulyssesguide.com/prepatory-to

>>15385023
>Molly's monologue is the weakest chapter in the book.
Based nabby speaking the truth
No reason why everyone lauds it so much, circe and Q&A were much stronger episodes

>>15383915
Didn't jung theorize that joyce's daughter wanted to fuck joyce and that all her male relationships can be summarized as her trying to find a genius equal to her father

>>15384594
I don't get it. Are you reading this book critically or what? Typically on a first read, people don't read a book critically. Are you illiterate or what?

>>15383802
what's this from?

>>15383837
You don't need to be posting selfies here, anon

>>15383823
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>>15383843
Guy talking about reddit said what I was going to say but I wasn't going to mention reddit. When people say a book is bad because it's hard, but it had some good parts, saying they just wrote it hard to be cool, for instance people say finnegans wake is terrible for that reason, it pisses me off. These people aren't writing to entertain you, you are not the audience if you can't appreciate what he's doing. He appreciates what he's doing, he's doing it for people like him. You are not as all knowing as you think you are. If someone like him were to read Ulysses, a similar intellectual background, they would love it, because books are good because entertainment is entertaining because you understand it and relate to it. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND IT DOESN"T MEAN ITS BAD IT MEANS YOU DON"T UNDERSTAND IT. If a guy wrote a novel about all his friends and his town, a misanthrope from alaska wouldn't understand it, but he likely isn't as stupid as someone assuming novels are for reputation, you dumbass, so he would say, " I dont get it" and leave it at that. Retards. You people, think for yourselves, read for yourselves, not so you can say the book is bad. Pretentious people.

>>15383848
Correct

Joyce just filters the fuck out of autists lmao

>>15383883
Lacan’s take on Joyce is infinitely better than this hack’s

What is the purpose of a book that is difficult to read?

>>15383787
wow anon hilarious reference, can i circumcise you

>>15386809
Thanks. I treasure my foreskin, so no.

>>15386099
I get pissed off when people have the mindset of "I didn't like it therefore it's bad" or it's much worse counterpart: "I liked it therefore it's good." I encounter this every fucking day and it never ceases to piss me off. I literally start fuming whenever someone says some cheap shitty fucking nora roberts novel or blues song is good, it's really hard not to rant about how shit their taste is. I'm talking IRL, not just on image boards. Am I the problem here?????

This novel seems like a chore. I had to read two chapters for an Irish lit class, but I didn't like it enough to go back to it.

>>15386038
Ulysses of course

>>15383787
what does that mean anon

>>15384594
You don't need to read anything before it, retard, unless all you've read is shitty YA or genre fiction. You won't get most of his references anyway.

I'm reading it now
Loved the Stephen Daedalus chapters (his SOC section at the beach was incredible) but Bloom's day is just putting me to sleep. As much as he seems like a fun character, I can't make myself give a shit about page after page of him saying "nice weather" to people on the street or small-talking with the guys in the carriage. Every time something interesting comes up (thoughts of Molly or his children) it's buried in so much SOC (which I don't find nearly as enjoyable as Stephen's, instead of beautiful language and literary allusions it just strikes me as inane ADD shit like "Getting kind of hungry. Hungry stray cat walking by by bye meow cat. Want to itch balls") that I have to reread multiple times just to discern what's actually happening.
Does it pay off further on? I don't mind a bit of a slog but it's a real brick of a novel and I'm only to the Aeolus chapter.

>>15387063
I'm at page 740 of 930 and I'd say it's been consistent

>tee hee, what am I referencing now? You'll never know!
A book worshipped for its obscurantism rather than anything else

>>15387063
It's worth it. Judging by what you've written here I think you'll absolutely fall in love with the last chapter.

It was, as the french usually say, a turd forced

>>15387099

More like GAYmes Joyce!

It seems to me that this novel gets infinitely better if you understand the style itself to be the central character. More than Leopold, Dedalus, or Molly, Joyce's protean aesthetics that change from chapter to chapter, swinging from satire to myth to political commentary and back again, are a joy to behold as such.

>>15386099
Saying you hated reading a book isn't the same as saying it's bad.

>>15383787
I thouroughly enjoyed it up to where he starts descending headlong into stream of conscious gabbledygook. That he managed to hint at the impending insanity before unveiling it in full was impressive, but without annotation I don't think I'd be able to make it any further. I plan to go back to it someday and start from scratch.

It sure smells of newfag pleb ITT.

>>15386126
What is Lacan's take on Joyce?

>>15386119
board full of angry incel dosto readers, what did you expect

>>15388196
Joyce is a pleb magnet you newfag. Newfags can't tell the difference between good and bad books so they suck up to whatever is on the top 100 charts.

>>15389732
Why do you believe this?

I wish I could talk about this book with somebody

I didn't start reading till my 20s and i love it. From what i gather people who like to feel smart dont like it whereas people i know who read for pleasure and generally are more interesting indviduals like it and connect with it.

>>15390612
Because it's true.
>>15390640
The people who feel smart like it because smart people are supposed to like it, it's at the top of all top 100 literature charts. Actually smart people can see right through it.

>>15390660
I suppose you're one of the blessed few smart people, right?

>>15390690
Your intuition has not betrayed you.

>>15390660

Lists dont mean anything. Joyce is widely panned outside of Dubliners and Portrait thanks in part to a culture of people who think they can "see through" something as if thats what art is about.

>>15390725
Damn, genuinely filtered

>>15390660
But it isn't true, noodleboy

>>15383787
I don't care for it , i never been to Ireland and don't intend to
it just doesn't appeal to me read about a city that's not my own
of course that's not all it is , I would read Infinite Jest and Gravity's rainbow but i will never even approach that mess

>>15391450
I’m seeing through this post right now

>>15394205
>it just doesn't appeal to me read about a city that's not my own
Why are you reading literature if you don't even want to broaden your horizons. Imagine refusing to read hamlet because the play is set in denmark or refusing to read paradise because it's about paradise
>I would read Infinite Jest and Gravity's rainbow but i will never even approach that mess
Those books are quite literally mini-ulysses

>>15390660
>YOU'RE ONLY PRETENDING TO LIKE IT
what type of person makes these posts

>>15394837
you are cherrypicking my words , i didn't say i dont like to read about unknown cities , i said books like The Ulymeme are about the city AND it's culture and people
someone like me won't get and it just doesn't seem to be worth the investment
i'm sure it has depth i'm sure people are studying it for years but time is money

>>15394854
>i said books like The Ulymeme are about the city AND it's culture and people
You said, and I quote, "it just doesn't appeal to me read about a city that's not my own" no mention of culture or anything
You also seem to be unable to decide if the book is a "mess" and "meme" or just a master piece you can't understand. Decide your fucking stance before you half ass
>and it just doesn't seem to be worth the investment
If you have this mindset, why the fuck are you even reading fiction? You gain nothing from it, if all you care about is the value of your time spent, read informational books and essays and such. Spend your valuable time learning how to make money instead of wasting it on frivolous art. Once again, your prove unable to keep to a stance