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Because shit would be boring

kind of a jerk move

>>15340042
There can be no good without evil. All is one, brother.

>>15340042
He did but then they did a bad thing.
Did you even read the book?

God made us because He loved us, and He wanted us to love Him in return. The Bible says that in the beginning, before sin ever entered the world, Adam and Eve enjoyed a perfect, unbroken relationship with God.

What went wrong? Perhaps you know what happened: Satan tempted Adam and Eve to turn against God and disobey Him –and they did. Although they had been warned of the consequences, they still believed Satan when he called God a liar and told them instead that “You will not surely die” (Genesis 3:4). From that moment on, sin–like a deadly cancer–invaded their souls and severed their relationship with God. It also brought death and human selfishness into the world.

Why didn’t God make us so we couldn’t sin? The reason is simple: Then we would have been like puppets, unable to choose between right and wrong. Our love for God wouldn’t have been genuine either, because we couldn’t have freely chosen to love God. Love is real only when we can choose it.

Did God know what would happen? Yes, He did; the Bible says that God planned our salvation even “before the creation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4). And the good news is that we don’t need to fear God’s judgment any longer, because Jesus Christ opened Heaven’s door to us by His death on the cross. Is your faith and hope in Him for your salvation?

He was retarded enough to give us free will. If he could not make us disobey him he would not be an all powerful God. Big mistake, as it caused retards like you to post the same shit athiests were saying over and over since the 2000s.

>>15340042
Because we are human and not God. God is capable but we aren't.

Any time we ask a question about God from our limited earthly perspective, we are working under a handicap. In essence, we are tiny dust specks looking up into the universe and demanding that it make sense to our finite minds. Often, when we ask, “Why doesn’t God just save everyone?” we start with the assumption that we are more compassionate than God is, and that puts us on the wrong track from the get-go. God is perfect, and His ways are far beyond human comprehension (Isaiah 55:8–9). When we accept that reality and align our thinking with His perspective, we position ourselves for greater understanding.

Knowledge begins in heaven with God (Proverbs 9:10). He is infinitely creative, and at some point, He created our universe (Genesis 1:1). He spoke everything into existence (Genesis 1) except man. When He created Adam, He got down in the dirt and formed his body from clay. Then He blew into the man’s nostrils, “and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7). It was the breath of God that separated mankind from all other living creatures. That “living soul” was immortal, meant to last forever. God had chosen to create a being so like Him that the man could reason, reflect, intuit, and choose his own paths. Without that right to choose, human beings would not bear God’s image (see Genesis 1:27). God respects what He has created to such an extent that He will not allow even His overwhelming love to violate our free will. Why doesn’t God just save everyone? Because He will not violate the free will He has given us.

One astounding facet of God’s human creation is that He made Himself emotionally vulnerable to us. He didn’t have to do that. The triune God has forever been the very definition of joy, love, and peace; He is complete in Himself with no needs or unmet desires. Untold millions of created beings worship and serve Him day and night (Daniel 7:10; Revelation 5:11; 7:11; Isaiah 6:1–3). Yet He gives human beings the high privilege of bringing Him pleasure or sorrow. We can reflect His glory in ways unique to our design (Proverbs 16:7; Psalm 147:11; 149:4). Or we can reject His love and His commands (Ezekiel 8:17; 33:11; 2 Kings 22:17). God’s act of creating us can be compared to a husband and wife who are perfectly happy and content in themselves, but they decide to have a child. That decision brings with it the potential for exceeding joy and exceeding sorrow. They have chosen to alter their lives by creating a vulnerability that they did not have to create. As they love and care for that child, they long for the child to love them back. But they won’t force the love, because forced love is not love at all. Why doesn’t God just save everyone? Because our love for Him must be voluntary.

God pours out His love and provision on this earth (Matthew 5:45), desiring that His human creations acknowledge His truth and love Him back. He makes Himself known in thousands of ways (Psalm 19:1; 97:6; Romans 1:19–20), working behind the scenes to bring us into a position to reach out to Him (Isaiah 46:10–11; Proverbs 16:33). He provides, protects, and blesses, giving mankind numerous opportunities to look up and find Him (Matthew 5:44; Jeremiah 29:13; Romans 2:4). But He won’t force salvation on the unwilling. Why doesn’t God just save everyone? Because gifts must be willingly received.

>>15340042
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS

>>15340042
God can't do anything because he's just the projection of mankind's nature.

>>15340129
>all this when you could have just said
>>15340161

>>15340070
How can one man be so based?

>>15340042
Bc without free will we couldn't be good. The idea wouldn't make sense.

>>15340070
So how did God exist before he created beings capable of evil? Because he is fully good by nature.

God didn't make anyone evil, evil is just a result of mens lack of perfection that is inherent to him, since God couldn't create perfect beings (aka Gods). God literally didn't have another choice if he wanted to create something.

>>15341180
He's where all the other fully good things are, not existing.

>>15340042
are you fucking stupid cunt? God created EVERYTHING GOOD.
you haven't even read Genesis, how fucking embarrassing

>>15342070
evil is a privation of that good, just as darkness is a privation of light. evil is our doing, not God's (in Christianity at least, in Islam God not only caused death, but also evil, which is beyond fucked up)

>>15341203
wrong, it's a result of our free will, God could easily create beings that don't sin
>>15340125
retarded answer
>>15340091
good answer
>>15340070
fucking retarded answer
>>15340053
low iq
>>15340047
shit is boring you dumb fucking cunt

>>15342091
>We have free will
lol

Why didn't god just make everyone smart?

>>15342167
great argument you fucking retarded cunt

>>15342091
>God

>>15340042
darkness to light

>that feel when you finish the torah and get to the much easier, shorter history books
>that feel when you get through half the history books and can now read all the interesting weird books as self-contained and bite-sized philosophical excursions
>that feel when you read psalms and proverbs piecemeal by reading a few a day
>that feel when you have read the whole Old Testament and can enjoy all the rich allusions to it
>that feel when you can read the New Testament as similarly self-contained excursions and as a sustained conversation with a fascinating helleno-judaic chap named Paul

>>15340042
The only “good” thing in existence is God himself. Anything that is not god is evil

>>15340042
The real question is, why did God create the universe knowing that most people would not choose to love him? Because he wanted to give us the choice, even if most of us would choose wrong.

>>15340129

What distinguishes this from Atheism?

>>15342180
you merely gave opinions so what do you expect?

>>15342181
nice fedora ya got on mate
>>15342944
I expect something that I haven't heard a million times already, you fucking unoriginal cunt, glass yourself

>>15342944
if you wanna believe in determinism go ahead (it's self-defeating), shame you were determined to be this retarded though

>>15341649
This doesn't make any sense.

god made white people to punish us for our sins.

>>15342973
>it's self-defeating
How is that?

>>15340042
>Why didn’t God just make everyone good?
He did.

Genesis 1:31
And God looked upon all that He had made, and indeed, it was very good.

1 Timothy 4:4-5
For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected, because it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

>>15341180
he created evil though so good and evil both exist within him, which makes him good because what he did was necessary for good to exist

>>15343812
So how did good exist before evil was created? Didn't it exist back then?

>>15340042
The most basic answer is that it we wouldn’t have free will if we were forced to be a certain way. We were intentionally made for good things, but we as mankind chose to do what we wanted, and as a result, caused an untold amount of misery and bloodshed.

>>15343773
It doesn't change anything. You do not magically cease to be responsible for your actions because they were "determined" by your environment, as the response to those actions (e.g. prison) are also determined. Therefore, it doesn't change anything and is, in a way, self-defeating.

>>15343812
Evil is a lack of good, it doesn't have an independent existence. If God is good, evil is a lack of God/Godliness/what have you

ITT: coping theists.

>>15340042

The same reason he didn't make everyone evil.

Free will.

>>15340042
He did but then the world's first thot screwed everything up.

>>15340042
I am new in faith and I lack much needed understanding but I believe I understand why.

Then everyone would be programmed to be good by Him. How could you love someone that you know is programmed to love you back - _if_ you can call them "someone" and not "something"? Would you want someone like that to be your wife/husband or child? Wouldn't their love be empty words? They'd say "I love you" and they won't feel a thing - and even if you had programmed them to feel love, that wouldn't be genuine. That love wouldn't have been tested, it would just be an automatic response - it won't be the product of your relationship with that someone, it won't be a love shaped by heatred, adoration, gratitude, rejection, anticipation.

Wouldn't you fall in love with someone you want, that looks like you, who is capable of rejecting you - and you can do absolutely nothing to stop them from rejecting you - and yet that someone chose to love you because they are capable of choice and chose you. Someone who endures hardships for your love because he chose to love you with a love that is built upon your mutual relationship - a relationship that has a story behind it - someone who anticipates you, who feels incomplete without you. And all of that because they chose you. Whom would you choose to spend the eternity together?

>>15344888
But he did, we all carry the original sin

>>15345664
You're mixing romantic attraction for a thot who plays hard to get with actual love.

You don't choose your parents, but you love them anyways. They don't need to test you or leave you at choice about it. Unless they're absolute assholes, you'll love them anyways, maybe even if they are.

Free will is an illusion. We aren't in complete control of ourselves. Not a single choice we make is 100% willed out of nothingness. Implying that the Creator has 0% influence on our choices is a pretty bold statement to make, seeing that besides creating us, he created/is everything that's around us.

>>15345705
I am new in faith so I may be wrong. If that is not actual love that I am feeling, then I pray to Him to show me my mistakes.

We don't choose our parents but we can choose Him. Hardships help in that direction; would you stand by his Word even if things force you towards the other direction? And that is the point of the miracle; He will intervene in the end so that you can see His Hand strong in your life and so that you can be saved from the hardship. We model our life according to Jesus Christ.

If there is no free will then we can't live, all we do is merely exist as spectators. Is the capacity of free will provable? I don't know.

But I'll try to choose Jesus Christ and luckily not betray Him.

>>15340042
God values our freedom, it is part of how we are made in His image.

Did god make coffee good?

>>15343812
>was necessary for good to exist

Claiming that Good and Evil are relative is an abomination.

Christianity is a jew cult. theology is horse shit. shamanism has more basis in reality than any abrahamic religion. at least the sun and the trees actually do something