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15337526 No.15337526 [Reply] [Original]

If consciousness is an illusion, then who is it fooling?

>> No.15337537

>>15337526
god

>> No.15337593

Free Will is the illusion. Consciousness is the neural system being fooled by the illusion of free will.
Consciousness as a system of systems is yet another example of an evolved territorialization for the organic body. A system capable of organizing reaction patterns depending on context.
Being fooled then just means this system is following a specific reaction chain which is not aligned with reality.

>> No.15337597

You, apparently

>> No.15337707

the answer to that would be us - the bearers of consciousness

>> No.15337713

>>15337593
>Free Will is the illusion.
Prove it.

>> No.15337718

>>15337597
>>15337707
A "you" which precedes consciousness? This is simply nonsensical. There is and never has been such a thing.

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>>15337526
deep

>> No.15337752

>>15337718
my dick precedes my awareness

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15337761

> Don't tell me to improve my life, I can't choose to do anything, bro. Free will is just an illusion,bro.

>> No.15337765

>>15337713
Proved in two threads already. Don't have the hours to do it a third time today.

>> No.15337777

>>15337761
>t. Doesn’t understand determinism.
>t. Thinks the self is outside the bounds of causation.

>> No.15337778

>>15337761
>I born that way, its the genes ahaha

>> No.15337796

If you believe in a lack of free will but have it, yet commit a crime. Did you really do it of your own free will?

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>> No.15337913

Only your consciousness is an illusion. :)

>> No.15337955

>>15337761
Are you so afraid of accepting free will is fake that you use a non sequitur related to quality of life?

>> No.15339189

>>15337955
Determinism is fake too, you dumb nigger.

>> No.15339195

>>15337777
Retarded quads

>> No.15339228

>>15337713
Don't bother with him. Free will and determinism are non-issues.

What does an act of free will look like? What does an act of determinism look like?

Answer those and you'll see the folly of caring.

>> No.15339254

>>15337777
t. doesn't understand how greentext works

>> No.15339264

>>15337526
fools

>> No.15340240

The "you" that thinks that "you" are you.

>> No.15340301

>>15340240
this or infinite regression

>> No.15340818

>>15337526
It's fooling the mechanisms of the brain responsible for introspecting into its own mental states. It believes it's conscious, but it's not. There doesn't need to be any phenomenal subject falling under the illusion, that's precisely what the illusion is making the brain think.

>> No.15340846

>>15337526
nothing. You are what you doing at this moment, you are a human machine

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>>15337526
>>15340818
Mandatory posting

>> No.15341773

>>15341750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFcJmOs8DRQ

>> No.15341792

"Consciousness is an illusion" is the most retarded sentence that I have ever heard. "illusion" in this context means absolutely nothing. Of course our consciousness doesn't reflect reality as it is, because we're not omniscient gods, but that doesn't mean it's an illusion. Consciousness is the thing that we use to do know the world doing our best

>> No.15341810

>>15340240
If I can recall a consistency in being me that means that something called I, consciousness, exists and I need her to live in this disgraceful faggot world